>> yes. >> dominic rushe business correspondent for "the guardian." thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> this is part of the breaking news. internet snooping and breaking news about the government's prism program, a lot going on. and we have someone from the aclu who has very very stern reaction to some stuff breaking over the last couple of days. stay with us. lots still to come. a crowd but not your nasal congestion, you may be muddling through allergies. try zyrtec-d®. powerful relief of nasal congestion and other allergy symptoms -- all in one pill. zyrtec-d®. at the pharmacy counter. [ female announcer ] what does beauty feel like? ♪ and where does it begin? ♪ it begins with your skin. venus embrace. every five-bladed stroke gives you 360 degrees of smooth revealing goddess skin you can feel and feel. only from venus embrace. also in disposables. >>> at the end of the reagan administration a scandal resulted in that administration that resulted in 14 officials being indicted, not subpoenaed not accused but criminally indicted up to and inclu

tonight the editors at "the guardian" talk about the n.s.a. and edward snowden and we look at avatars of the future. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: in recent weeks, "the guardian" has been publishing some of the biggest leaks in national security his trichlt source of these leaks, former n.s.a. contractor edward snowden has been charged with espionage. he fled hong kong earlier this week. he is currently in limbo in the transit area of moscow's airport. his future remains unclear. meanwhile, the revelation continue. today "the guardian" reported that the national security agency had been collecting america's bulk e-mail data for a decade. joining me now, the editors under whose watch the leaks became public. janine gibson is the u.s. editor of "the guardian," alan rusbridger is the paper's editor-in-chief. i am pleased to have them here at this table. welcome. so my question here-- and i have no more questions-- what does "the guardian" know? >> well, we have more m

>> yes. >> dominic rushe business correspondent for "the guardian." thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> this is part of the breaking news. internet snooping and breaking news about the government's prism program, a lot going on. and we have someone from the aclu who has very very stern reaction to some stuff breaking over the last couple of days. stay with us. lots still to come. something completely different. i met a turtle friend today so, you don't get that very often. it seemed like it was more than happy to have us in his home. so beautiful. avo: more travel. more options. more personal. whatever you're looking for expedia has more ways to help you find yours. (girl) w(guy) dive shop.y? (girl) diving lessons. (guy) we should totally do that. (girl ) yeah, right. (guy) i wannna catch a falcon! (girl) we should do that. (guy) i caught a falcon. (guy) you could eat a bug. let's do that. (guy) you know you're eating a bug. (girl) because of the legs. (guy vo) we got a subaru to take us new places. (girl) yeah, it's a hot spring. (guy) we shoul

of the directive was widely reported last year, someone has now leaked the actual document to "the guardian." a white house spokeswoman downplayed the significance of "the guardian" report, stating

that court order is what the guardian released last night. ion of the prism story including a chunk of slides from the power point presentation. nbc news is reporting that u.s. intelligence officials are reeling tonight after all of these leaks. piercing the most sensitive secrets in the counterterror data collection operation. and this all follows the nbc report last night on this, the internal u.s. governmentally and the kind of spread sheet on its covert program of drone strikes in pakistan. richard engel reported last night on "nightly news" and on this show that over the year and a half long period covered in this governmentally a quarter of the people the u.s. said it killed in drone strikes were not only not known by name but not known by affiliation with any specific bad guy militant group, even though the u.s. insists they most definitely have been militants of some kind. 26% of the people said to be killed in the drone strikes are listed by the u.s. in this document as quote other militants or foreign fighters. that's in the u.s. gov

edward snowden, according to "the guardian," is in hong kong. he is quoted as saying he does not expect to return to this country and a he is expecting possible retaliation. all of this breaking in the last hour. >> it is an incredible story. thanks so much. more about the contractor that he was working for, not only does it have office there is apparently according to that reporting in hawaii but also in virginia and atlanta. weep did try to reach out to the atlanta office and no answer on that. overall what does this mean legally for edward snowden? on the phone right now with us is cnn senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin. jeff, this is -- of course, just in its infancy. we are learning bit by bit with his whereabouts, possibly in hong kong, that he worked for an american contractor, that he did sp spend some time in the last four years at the nsa offices and also formally worked at the cia. so is there like a contract that people sign when they work for the nsa or the cia that they would be prosecuted if they were to leak information of this c

he gave this interview to "the guardian." whole deal, about why he outed the actions of the nsa, the national security agency. here he was. >> the nsa specifically targets the communications of everyone. it ingests by default. it analyzes them and measures them and it stores them for periods of time simply because that's the easiest, most efficient, and most valuable way to achieve these ends. so while they may be intending to target someone associated with a foreign government or someone they suspect of terrorism, they are collecting your communications to do so. any analyst at any time can target anyone. any selector anywhere. where those communications will be picked up depends on the range of networks and the authorities that that analyst is empowered with. not all analysts have the ability to target everything. but i sitting at my desk certainly have the authority to wiretap anyone from you or your accountant to a federal judge to even a president if i had a perm e-mail. >> here is more. he is a high school dropout, never

the following videos is courtesy of the guardian. glenn greenwald and another reporter. >> even if you do aren't doing anything wrong you are being watched and the storage cap bills increase over year by order of the magnitude to getting to the point you don't have to have done anything wrong. you simply to have eventually fall under suspicion even by a wrong call. then they can use the system to go back in time and scrutinize every decision you ever made. >> harris: he says he has been the source for the "washington post" and guardian newspapers as the headlines have been filling up with jarring details about the government mining phone lords for information about customers. white house has vowed who is leaking classified information about the program which is run by the nsa. snowden is a contractor work for the nsa. and katherine, in just last few minutes the story has been unfolding as breaking details. we got a statement from the intelligence community, what does it say. >> reporter: short time ago we received a statement from the

surveillance programs tells "the guardian" newspaper why he did it. edward snowden says, "i'm no different from anyone else. >> i'm just another guy who sits there day to day in the office, watches what's happening and goes, this is something that's not our place to decide. the public needs to decide whether these programs and policies are right or wrong. >> reporter: snowden said that from a hotel in hong kong, after having left his girlfriend in hawaii where they reportedly shared a home. she's not the only person with whom he may have severed ties by leaking and going public. edward snowden told "the guardian" that the only thing he fears is the harmful effects of this on his family, some of whom he says work for the u.s. government. we have confirmed his mother, elizabeth snowden, works here at the district courthouse in baltimore, maryland, as chief deputy clerk for information technology and administrative services. officials here said she was not available to speak to us. elizabeth snowden also did not return our calls and e-mail. outside her ho

terrorists but the guardian asks the most important question of all, could the guardian win a pulitzer for edward snowden's nsa revelations? which leads me to ask, could i win an emmy for my report on the guardian wondering if they could win a pulitzer. (cheers and applause) and -- >> stephen, stephen, stephen! stephen, stephen, stephen! stephen, stephen, stephen! >> i hope you're voters. and will my morning rerun be eligible for a kid's choice award. should we even be discussing this? well, the president seems to think so. >> now i welcome this debate. and i think it's healthy for our democracy. >> stephen: yes, i welcome it too, very healthy. it's a debate well worth having. the moment we found out about it in 2006. so also let's have a debate about why the gilmore girls were cancelled. because folks, the fact is we had this debate. and we surrendered our rights back when we were properly in the grip of fear. and i know it won't be easy. we've got to dig down deep and somehow find the courage to stay scared [bleep]. (laughter) becaus

. >> reporter: "the guardian" released the interview sunday afternoon revealing snowden's identity at his request. a former c.i.a. technician who grew up in north carolina and maryland, snowden says he decided to leak classified information because of concerns about the n.s.a.s top secret surveillance programs. >> i sit at my desk, certainly have the authority to wiretap anyone from you or your accountant to a federal judge to even the president, if i had a personal e-mail. >> reporter: in the interview snowden told "the guardian" glenn greenwald and laura poitrias he believes the nsa's once targeted data program is too broad. >> you don't have to have done anything wrong. you simply have to eventually fall under suspicion from anybody, even by a wrong call, and then they can use the system to go back in time and scrutinize every decision you have ever made. >> reporter: also today the washington post released its own interview with snowden revealing him as the paper's main source for its stories detailing n.s.a. surveillance. according to "the guardian", snowden was working in hawaii

the guardian of. s that in 2009, the british government conducted in -- extensive surveillance of foreign diplomats who attended the g 20 summit in london. the gchq even established fake internet cafÉs to spy on the foreign delegates a prostrate computer use. 'se hacked into official blackberries. the nsa played a key role in the operation by sharing information on the phone calls of russian leader dmitry medvedev. other targets included british government allies such as south africa and turkey. the goal of years i've been to give the british government and advantage in negotiations. over the weekend, u.s. intelligence agencies officially confirmed the surveillance programs exposed by snowed in. in a letter to congress released saturday, u.s. officials that the blanket collection of phone records and the spiting on foreigners internet usage are covered under the patriot act and the fisa amendments act. the national security agency also said it investigated less than 300 phone records seized in the broa

the british paper the guardian was behind it with edward snowden. >>> well, you don't need federal proof you're a u.s. citizen to register to vet. the court struck down the law that arizona voters approved that they are u.s. citizens before using a registration. arizona said the law would cut down on voter fraud. other states have similar voter remember thes and were asking the court to uphold arizona's. >>> all right. coming up on the news here at 6, july 1st there's a certain date for students with federal loans. it could put a beg dent in your wallet. >>> plus, is this enough to protect your child's brain, a debate over protecting pitchers when oib abc2 comes right back. >> a couple of storms, and we'll have more when we come back. stay with us. >>> about 15 minutes into a ball game at dundalk community college. wyatt will have a detailed look at the most accurate forecast coming up in about three and a half minutes. >>> in our consumer i've all right if you have a federal rally subsidized loan you need to keep a close eye on what's aing in washington. the rate also double. democrats,

according to the guardian, he never got a high school degree. he enlisted in the army in 2004, was discharged the same year. he told "the guardian," it was because he broke his legs in a training accident. he told the newspaper he was able to land tech jobs with the cia and later the nsa and he moved up quickly. that surprises a neighbor of snowden's mother who saw snowden's mother on occasion at the mother's condo. >> when you say hi to him, he'll say hi but he's always looking down, he's not looking at you. it's like he doesn't make e eye contact. i could see him out my window and see him on the computer. >> he told "the guardian" he had high hopes when president said he would have a more transparent administration. snowden tells "the guardian" he hopes for asylum in iceland. >> and now his mother and sister are going to have repercussions because of this. >> now, people who appear to be law enforcement officers did make an appearance here at the mother's house earlier today. cnn has also learned that investigators visited the girl friend befor

a political columnist with the guardian actually and i've written about politics all my life. i've been involved in the political controversy. it is architecture. there were two books on london buildings. i'm fascinated by architecture generally. i write books about english churches and houses. so have my time is worrying about the environment and landscaping and that sort of thing and the other half. i tend to keep them apart. >> which one brings you more pleasure to write about? >> probably architecture. i just get inside buildings and a curious way. the book i'm working on now is about english landscape, and it is an attempt to look at what constitutes the beautiful view of the landscape and that has now moved on from buildings that i find i can fall in love with a subject like that very easily and it becomes an obsession. so now i'm very concerned with beautiful places and buildings and coastlines and these two things merge into one and i am very concerned of the threat to the countryside and the coast line and with saving at. islamic the national trust is that private? is

i went to work for the guardian newspaper which is very -- it's the very heart of left wing media in britain, and i worked for guardian newspaper for 20 years, and what happened while i was working at the guardian was that, and possibly because i was working at the guardian, my political views did change. i still believed in standing up for the vulnerable in society in making a better world, trying to improve the lot of my fellow human beings, but when i came to realize when i was working there is people i assumed were on my side in the great end denver were actually on the other side, and they were not concerned with bettering the better lot of the human beings, but bettering themselves and concerned only with their own mutation and their own sense of themselves as being noble, virtuous, wise, and great, and everyone else could run and jump. when they were on the other side and actually had, i thought, very illble views, intolerant views despite what they said and didn't actually care about the people, the bottom of the heap, the little people, that is when i realized, actually, we w

earlier this week, someone also leaked documents to "the guardian" detailing u.s. government programs to monitor phone calls of millions of americans and internet communications of people overseas. the president defended the programs as necessary to thwart terrorist and cyber attacks against the u.s. and said the infringement of privacy is modest. >> nobody is listening to your telephone calls. >> reporter: next week, the justice department is expected to begin looking into the possibility of criminal charges in the leak investigation. and, ironically, jim, this comes just two weeks after the president said he worries that leak investigations could chill the kind of investigative journalism necessary to hold government accountable. >> axelrod: chip, thank you very much. national security advisor tom donelan says, during the summit, president obama told president xi of the specific types of hacking that concern the u.s., donelan says she agreed to look seriously at the issues obama raised. cyber security isn't the only concern the u.s. has about china. as wyatt andre

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what he told "the guardian" newspaper in a story published last week caused a firestorm of controversy over privacy and national security. edward snowden has been identified as a contractor who worked at the national security agency, and yesterday from halfway across the world, he stepped from the shadows, admitting he was the leak. and tonight, the u.s. government is hot on snowden's tail as it investigates whether or not he broke the law by sharing classified information. nbc's andrea mitchell is working the story for us tonight from washington. andrea? >> reporter: lester, good evening. they have launched the manhunt for. the 29-year-old nsa contractor, edward snowden, has turned the massive national security agency inside out. federal agents at the home today of edward snowden's mother in ellicott city, maryland, only miles from the nsa in ft. meade. >> are you guys with the fbi? >> reporter: snowden's mother politely ducked reporters. >> please do not get in my way. thank you. have a good day. >> reporter: fbi agents showed up at his father's home near allentown, pennsylvania. >>

but "the guardian" has a recently long kind of history of disclosing really astonishing stories. very recently in the last two or three years phone hacking. >> phone hacking is a classic example. we will talk to both of you later this hour. i've got to get to a break. when we come back, more on the media coverage of this remarkable unfolding story. in parks across the country, families are coming together to play, stay active, and enjoy the outdoors. and for the last four summers, coca-cola has asked america to choose its favorite park through our coca-cola parks contest. winning parks can receive a grant of up to $100,000. part of our goal to inspire more than three million people to rediscover the joy of being active this summer. see the difference all of us can make... together. the day building a play set begins with a surprise twinge of back pain... and a choice. take up to 4 advil in a day or 2 aleve for all day relief. [ male announcer ] that's handy. ♪ >>> breaking news this hour. you're looking at a picture of edward snowden, the nsa leaker, of course. he landed about two

the food guardians comes from health promotion grants. that is separate. the way we have set it up, part of the $16,000 would be a grant and part of it is a loan over the 3-year period, which may be forgiveness, depending on the standards that are reached. >> okay. >> just so what we do is that we'll go into the store and we'll actually measure the complete store. so we now have what is called an as-built and we can put that on auto cad and relayout the store based on that and determine the refrigeration and equipment and shelving. that is part of what we do in getting the store to look the way it needs to. >> thank you, commissioner dooley. >> can you tell us a little more about the centralized resource center? is that like a brick-and-mortar spot or online portal? what is that going to be like? >> thank you. actually, we were thinking about a centralized resource meaning the consultant, small business development center, our community partner, which we provided grant funding for this program and other programs in our office. not a locati

. >> reporter: the guardian released the information revealing his identity at his request. a former cia technician who grew up in north carolina and maryland, snowden decided to leak classified information concerned about the top secret surveillance program. >> i sit at my desk, certainly having the authority to wiretap anyone from you or your accountant to a federal judge to even the president if i had a personal e-mail. >> reporter: in the interview, he told the guardians he believes the nsa once targeted data collection programs that have become too broad. >> you don't have to have done anything wrong, you simply have to eventually fall under suspicion from anybody, even by a wrong call and they could use that system to go back in time and scrutinize every decision that you have ever made. >> reporter: and also today the washington post released their own interview with him, revealing him as the main source for its stories detailing nsa surveillance. according to the guardian, he was working in hawaii for the government contractor as an nsa system's administrator. three

of in american dialogue thank you well many people have been viewing us stories coming out of the guardian newspaper regarding the n.s.a. surveillance scandal there's one group of people who can't look at these leaked documents the u.s. army admitted on thursday that there's an army wide bloc viewing the guardian news website artie's political commentator sam sachs has that story. because there is nothing. big tanks big missiles big guns the u.s. army is strong the strongest in the world when it comes to firepower but today the u.s. army's strength is questioned after news that it's censoring internet content from its soldiers and we're not talking censorship of pornography or extremist websites which would still be pretty troubling but we're talking censorship a very important news stories stories that the rest of us who have access to a free and open internet can view anytime we want we're talking a full army wide blackout of the guardian's reporting on edward snowden's n.s.a. leaks yes while the rest of america has been able to view the multiple classified documents released on the guar

he's now a columnist for the guardian and joins me live from hong kong. how is it that you living most of the time in brazil and working for a british newspaper got this scoop and no american news organization did? >> well, first of all, let me correct you what you said in the introduction. the newspaper for which i work is actually the u.s. edition of the guardian. it is based in new york city. it's an american company staffed overwhelming by americans including myself. so it is an american branch of a global news organization. secondly, there is a thing call the internet that allows people to learn about other parts of the world and there are people inside the united states government very alarm by what is taking place within the surveillance state who decided that they wanted their fellow citizens to beware of it and journalists who would be aggressive about pursuing their duties as a journalist and inform the public. and that's how i learned of these things. >> and you said one of your sources at least is a reader of yours. and so was that person drawn

this is being reported right now in the "washington post" and in the guardian, spencer. basically, it is about a program called prism. the nsa and fbi are tapping into the servers of nine internet companies called prism established in 2007 and nine internet companies are participating microsoft, yahoo! google, face tack, aol, skype, youtube and apple. information collected is audio, photos, e-mails, documents and collection logs. i want to read this part about it. analysts who use the system from a web portal at fort need key in selectors or search terms designed to produce at least 51% confidence in a target's foreignness. apple has told our colleagues they deny they have anything to do with this. they do not know what prism is. what is your reaction to this after the day after we have this huge scoop about nsa and verizon, this about prism. what is going on here? >> my first reaction was, you've got to be kidding me? what is happening here? i have to say i was baffled by some of the things i read in this story, at least in this story about the collection of domestic pho

you were the first to call for prosecution after the guardian revealed him as the nsa leak. what prosecution would you like to see? >> i think prosecution should be to the fullest extent of the law. if you disclose classified information, you could be subject to severe penalties. he could face 15, 20 years in prison because of this. he should be prosecuted, and we should begin extradition proceedings as soon as possible. we do have an extradition treaty with hong kong. in the meantime, china could be holding him and getting information as to what he knows about our asset as round the world. >> our next thought is iceland. he could be seeking asylum in iceland. he's looking for his next step. >> we need to make it clear to our nato allies they should not be granting asylum to this person who is such a danger to the united states. >> you heard congressman king call him a defector, and also heard people call him a hero, a whistleblower shining the light on practices the government shouldn't be doing. how much trouble is he really in? >> he's in enormous trouble. he broke the la

snowden gave the "guardian" newspaper top secret documents revealing how the british government spied on "diplomatic targets from all nations" and their "smartphones" at a similar meeting of world leaders in 2009. the "guardian" said other documents from snowden show that at the same meeting four years ago, the nsa intercepted communications from russian president medvedev shortly after he met with president obama. >> no good can come of his revelatio revelations. but why does snowden think it's okay to tell them the details of that espionage. >> reporter: snowden is still believed to be in hong kong in hiding as his father urged him to stop the leaks. >> i ask that you measure what you are going to do and not release anymore information. >> reporter: there was no sign of that today as snowden answered questions online through "the guardian" newspaper. he described a dead man switch to make sure his documents became public saying the u.s. government is not going to be able to cover this up by jailing or murdering me, almost taunting the u.s. to track him electronically. >> there's no

edward snowden appearing on the guardian website taking questions. open sesame. apple and other tech companies reviewing the number of requests may have received for customer data. major milestone, homebuilder confidence soaring to new highs not seen in seven years. and why would vladimir putin's want a super bowl ring? that and so much more coming up on "markett now." connell: all right. dagen: why would you want a super bowl ring worn by the patriots? connell: a huge rally on wall street. i was posting the first negative comments on the facebook page. dagen: did you know i get up at 3:30 in the morning? connell: good morning, nicole. nicole: good morning. let's take a look, the dow jones industrial up 175 points right now at 15,245. still holding above the 15,000 mark. weegot the new york manufacturing numbers in the state of new york, everybody eagerly waiting to see what the federal market committee, what their policy meeting will bring. hoping they will do a whole lot of nothing leading to money printing. back to you. dagen: thank you so much, nicole. connell

but the next day june 6 the guardian and the west -- "washington post" reported a bigger story that the nsa and fbi tapping into nine major u.s. internet companies mining photos come e-mail's, videos to attract foreign nationals suspected terrorism those companies include google's, facebook, microsoft and apple and others. the very next day president obama said americans are not being listened to. >> nobody is listening to your telephone calls. that is not with this program is about. as was indicated what the intelligence community is doing is looking at the numbers, and duration of calls. they're not looking at people's names and not looking at content. lou: the next day june 8 director of national intelligence james clapper revealed the government program for tapping into internet usage is authorized by congress and carried out with the knowledge of service providers he claims it cannot intentionally targeting u.s. citizen but edward snowden decided to reveal his identity and encouraging booh the guardian and the washington post to publish his name and background. sohu is edward snowd

the british newspaper "the guardian loews quite has provided a talking point. t is reported that the uk spied on foreign politicians during the g-20 summit in london in two thousand nine. the front-page article says agents set up fake internet cafÉs to intercept e-mails, and british intelligence analysts were supplied with alive summary of telephone calls great all the documents were presented to the newspaper by the former cia contractor edward snowden. close to where the g-8 summit is being sub -- where the g-8 summit is. are people spooked by this? >> i do not think it is necessarily top of the priority list for local people around here. they're more concerned about the numbers of police. there were three tents in the field over there for protesters. there are now 7/10. that is 1000 -- 7/10. they are quite cross about the sheer security operation. it seems a very embarrassing as an incident. right at the start of this g-8 summit, to have a story in "the guardian," given to them by this cia whistleblower. here you have an allegation they were spying on the sou

in the ruling obtained by "the guardian," the judge orders them to turn over call logs on an ongoing daily basis. it applies domestically as well as calls taking place between the u.s. and foreign nations but does not include actual conversations. the collection of communication logs is believed to be a major component of the bush administration's program of surveillance that took place without court orders, and it comes as the obama administration is already facing furor over its aggressive tactics in the investigation of government leaks. the white house has not commented. >>> let's go now to immigration reform. bipartisan legislation is expected to hit the senate floor next week. a new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll finds a slight majority supports it, but not necessarily right now. and all this as one of the house bipartisan immigration groups gang of eight steps down. nbc's tracie potts is in washington with all of those details. good morning. >> reporter: alex, good morning. a lot has been put into getting this immigration reform effort on its feet and moving here on capit

nsa through the military firm booz allen hamilton, revealed his identity in an interview with the guardian of london. snowden's said he exposed top- secret nsa surveillance programs to alert americans of expansive government spying on innocents. >> the public needs to decide whether these programs and policies are right or wrong, and i am willing to go on the record to defend the authenticity of them and say, i did not change these, did not modify the story. this is the truth. you should decide whether we need to be doing this. >> snowden was speaking from hong kong, where his been since last month since leaving his home in hawaii. he says he carefully vetted each document that he released to ensure it was "legitimately in the public interest." over the last several days, snowden's disclosures to the guard in washington post have revealed a number of previously unknown surveillance operations carried out by the nsa. these include the collection of millions of u.s. call logs, and a secret program called prism that gathers data on foreign internet users from the servers of nine major firms i

spokesperson judith and emmel told the guardian that the n.s.a. can't identify the people communicating by using their method data and that is something that builds any laughed at so take a listen to this. on the one side you have phone numbers now these phone numbers whether they're whether they're your landline phone or your mobile phone or your satellite phone all connect into this public switch telephone network and those numbers that are unique in the world and you're talking about switches that are routing these communications from one point of the earth to another and they have to know exactly where to send it so you know exactly where it went and exactly where it's coming from so there's no question that you shouldn't has fairly ninety nine point nine nine nine percent accuracy on identifying that so you pointed out holes in that fifty one percent accuracy he pointed out holes in that fifty one percent accuracy talk about being able to identify people well this is something that very senators like senator wyden and udall have been asking t