you speak to sharansky and other dissidents in the kulak they will tell you that reagan's -- in the gulag they will telll you that reagan's "ev empire" speech gave them hope. if we say it they are the banker it will depress people around the world who want to liberalize societies like china and ththat in the long run is the worst thing we can do. >> have we abandoned them? apparently we have not. >> as of this moment i don't think we have. that is good for him. don't forget, commando mitt romney, one of the toughest guys who never wore a uniform, says we should stand up and defend freedom whenever it is under attack, and when it was, he was missing. [ male announcer ] are you paying more and more for cale and enjoying it less and less? stop paying for second best. upgradade to verizon fios tv, internet and phone for just $89.99 a month guaranteed for two years with a two-year agreement. act now and we'll add a special bonus: $250 back. but hurry, this offer ends june 2nd. unlike cable, fios is a 100% fib-optic net nrk that delivers america's fastest, most consistent, most reliable interne

the gulag. the holocaust. we didn't intervene in time to stop the holocaust. what we know about stalin retrospectively, what we know about mao retrospectively, we didn't intervene. and i think one of the answers to david's questions about why the david donald generation was lacking for compromise and middle ground, that was the policy of the 1940s and 19 50s. it was a containment policy. we chose, maybe because we didn't have the power, we chose not to intervene in horrors -- you know, i'm not -- a higher scale, a lower scale, but horrors that were bei ing perpetrated against millions of people. we chose not to intervene because we believed that by full containment they would eventually be eradicated. and that's what lincoln believed in the 1850s. containment would eventually lead to the end of slavery. now, that's not how it worked out. so it turns out we could say he was wrong? well, he was wrong sort of but he was right sort of because the containment policy drove the country to civil war and that unleashed the power that brought slavery to an end. i'm just

when you speak to sharansky and other dissidents who were in the gulag, they will tell you that evil they heard reagan's " empire" speech, it gives them hope. if we abandon the little guy because we care about the banker, it will let it be known that the u.s. is not out there and able to press people around the world who want to liberalize societies like china and that in the long run is the worst thing we can do not. >> have we abandoned them? >> at this moment it does not appear so. don't forget, commander mitt romney, one of the toughest guys who never wore a uniform, said we should defend freedom whenever it is under attack. when it was, mitt romney was missing. >> is and what makes the trip to afghanistan. is he spiking the football? >> people ask, why don't we leave immediately? that answer is also clear. we must give afghanistan an opportunity to stabilize. otherwise, al qaeda could form itself once more. as commander-in-chief, i refuse to let that happen. >> president obama made a surprise visit to afghanistan, where he signed a strategic partnership with president karzai. it

a power in the world, will defend you and stand up to it if you speak to sharansky and others in the gulag, they will tell you that reagan's "evil empire" spee cheered them and gave them hope. if we abandon this one guy because he is a little guy and care about the bankers, it will be known that the u.s. isn't out there, and it will restrain an oppressed people around the world who want to liberalize society is like china. that in the long run is the worst thing we can do. >> have we abandoned them? apparently we have not. >> as of this moment we have not. it is good for him. don't forget, commando mitt romney, one of the toughest guys who never wore a uniform, says we should defend freedom whenever i kissed under attack, and now when it was, -- whenever it is attack, and when it was, mitt romney was missing. >> others will ask, why don't we leave immediately? that answer is also clear. we must give afghanistan the opportunity to stabilize. otherwise, our gains uld be lost, and al qaeda could establish itself once more. >> when you to the day after the killing of osama bin laden, president

the cold war when we were dealing with dissidents in the soviet union who were often imprisoned in the gulag and so forth, one of them being committed to phone a u.s. congressional committee that's holding a hearing, critical of the soviet union? this happened. this tells you something, how much things are changing in china. and the whole thing underlines the importance of the delicate nature of this relationship, and how both of us have to handle it with real strategic vision. >> schieffer: well, you got the sense-- or at least i did-- both sides really wanted to figure out something to get this done and get on to other things. >> absolutely. and that is related to a central issue of our time-- can, for the first time in history, two preeminent powers effectively coexist and even collaborate? this hasn't happened in international politics. >> schieffer: i want to ask you about this whole business of the anniversary of osama bin laden's ba'ath. at one point, republicanes were very critical of the president for going to afghanistan. i think some democrats privately wondered if that was a good

testimony before congress gets totally exuded on this kind of zirp and you often talk about the casino gulag model where people go in and they think wow i lost a million dollars but they gave me three free drinks and i had a really good time one victim of this scope a lean. in colombia she took the man to her house and helped him gallagher all of her belongings including her boyfriend's cameras and savings she said quote it is painful to have lost money but i was actually quite lucky. oh it's like george clooney here in los angeles you know he invited obama to his house and he put some mojo photo on him you know pixie dust in his eyes some scopolamine and he's a zombie now raising money for this a front man for the dangerous central planners and cartels. but again using this as a metaphor for the debt pushers is a lot of americans will go into debt and basically sell their children's futures and say well i'm quite lucky because we have this s.u.v. in the parking lot to those dead whores in the parking lot trying to score some more money from j.p. morgan and there's jamie diamond chief crackh

don't understand this, that when you are weak, vacillating, and kowtowing, they beat us more in the gulags. when you are tough, fair, transparent, you say what you mean and mean what you say, they beat us less. he said right here, he said it to me in beijing and anyone back to further meetings, sadly, but right here in this very room, and he said why don't you get that? why don't you understand that you need to be tough? not unreasonable but tough. and he said that message is right down to the jailer level, and they beat us if he was beaten for 15 years, they beat for 15 years this man to the point where he almost lost his life, just like chen guangcheng. your thoughts on the. >> if i can take one, you gave the example of president bush. i think mr. wolf's point, at a prior income is very well taken. i've had presidents carter and clinton as mr. wolf said, all four of those presidents were met with the wives of some of the political prisoners. this president, in the name of realism, has not done so. and i think he doesn't understand the point. and to get to the point, i think the greatest

collaborators in the police and military are openly trying to train the police and military to be attack dogs and now we've got north korean style gulags with reeducation camp manuals right out of the most authoritarian regimes this world has seen this is what really proves what is and what is a reintegration even me i mean how can they be sure that someone is ready to be reintegrated into society it just seems it seems like an interesting concept to explore. what do you think that means i mean what would that entail well we know what happens in classical reeducation camps they get people within the camps to turn against those that are picked out to be persecuted and and really it's about the mass of people getting into serving the can't guards and being collaborators those that are chosen as the political dissidents to be tortured and abused and broken they're generally kept for decades or put it slave labor they're never to be released the real secret of a reeducation camp under the soviet. nazi model camaro rouge model of all systems have become authoritarian have done that is the real point of this re-education camp center is to ge

don't understand this, that when you are weak, vacillating and kowtowing, they beat us more in the gulags when you are tough, fair, transparent, you say what you mean and mean what you say, they beat us less. he said right here, he said it to me over dinner in beijing, and then he went back to further beatings, sadly, but then was finally let out. but right here in this very room he said why don't you get that? why don't you understand that you need to be tough -- not unreasonable, but tough. and he said that message gets right down to the jailers' level, and they beat us -- because he was beaten for 15 years as kimora knows having been a political prisoner for over five -- they beat for 15 years this man to the point that he almost lost his life just like chen guangcheng. your thoughts on that, if you could. >> well, if i could take -- you gave the example of president bush and president reagan. i think mr. wolf's point at a prior hearing is very well taken. i'd add presidents carter and clinton. as mr. wolf said, when the chief v.a.s took place, all four of those presidents would have m

they release read port that the new leader maintains the same hellish gulag as his father and grandfather did before him. hundreds of thousands of children are forced into slave labor and starved. even outside the work camps, the north korean people enjoy in freedom of speech, press or assembly. they have authorized the on the spot execution of those attempting to flee the country. a regime that maims its own people with impunity can't be trusted to keep its agreements with foreigners. thus, solving the north korean human rights issue is an integral part of addressing the north korean security threat. north korean women and girls are brutalized and trafficed in china where they are sold into forced marriage and slavery. china, which sets on the u.n.'s body, continues to forcibly repatriate north koreans into danger. h.r. 4240 will continue the important bipartisan work of the north korean human rights act by extending until 2017, its authorities to pr mote human rights protections and free do information for the people of north korea. with that, i reserve the balance of my time. the speak

you have to live in a gulag what we don't want to live in a good leg your thoughts that's exactly what happened they call it battlefield america look at the laws that have been passed you stall with their well going back to clinton actually after oklahoma city he started robbing us of our fourth amendment rights it got ramped up with the patriot act after nine eleven with bush the raping of the constitution act then obama's out bush bush about the lovely national defense authorization act signed on new year's eve you know everybody's glued to the news on new year's eve so in no what is no one's watching what dizzy do he said that you know guys like celebrity over there up in kingston new york he's a lot of trouble he's not pro aout chain he's a bulletin. into the state take them away no judge no jury no trial no charges no havey is caught up is only a hanging by the military they could do anything they want to anybody that they want at any time all this is the country that's going to spread democracy around the world yet while you're losing it here that's just the beginning in that act they repeal the posse comitatus act of eighteen thous

why in the world would you want to prop up a regime has 250,000 people starving to death in a gulag? why would you do you want to support a regime that continues only cachet in the world is nuclear weapons and continues to try to move forward not only with development, means to deliver them but exporting those kinds of technologies into the volatile parts of the world? the new chinese leader was here in town and four or five of us met with him. i said why, why do you continue to prop up this regime? it's a plot on the reputation of your government? and his answer was, and i'm not making this up. chinese translator, senator mccain is well-known in china for his candor. that, that was his answer. that is not a serious answer. i'm a serious person. that is not a serious answer but it was this kind of charm tour he was on in the united states. so i worry about irrational behavior on the part of the north koreans. i worry about a young man, you know, i guess general custer was a general at age 23. well, we have got now a guy in north korea, he is a four-star general at age 27, is it? great