where is the gun laws? i'm defensive on the fact we have the worst point his most of the country you don't have crazy things like -- talking about augustine. he served two tours in afghanistan he's back in kosovo. a dedicated wonderful what soldiers. he was transporting to d.c.. they were locked and loaded in his trunk and the been injured in afghanistan. he went back to pick them up and was driving them back to the home in north carolina. he stopped at walter reed for a check of his injuries and in doing so got lost and turned around. it's a complicated story but got turned around and the d.c. police claimed that by stopping for medical treatment it was no longer legally transport and giving it just that one stop. it was long a leading out of the transport with laws on guns. to clarify if you're gonna isn't loaded and locked in the trunk you can drive state to state and stop for gas and stopped to eat and that's fine. >> host: for the d.c. police. >> guest: if he had gone to trial and would have won. but th

time the gun's not even fired. >> why not keep the gun out of the bad guy's hands? >> you're not going to. you're only going to keep it out of my hands. >> that's not true. there are people in this country who have been prevented from buying guns because they were ineligible. now if you play out the statistics -- >> at a store. >> i think we should -- >> they're still going to get the guns. >> in chicago, what percentage of those guns were bought on the street and would not be susceptible to any kind of background check. >> collin, why don't you answer this? >> when you say guns bought on the street, what are you talking about? there is no illegal gun manufacturing plant somewhere. all guns begin their life through a legal gun and through theft, loss, and unchecked sales they fall into the illegal market. so requiring background checks will stop the flow of guns from the legal market to the illegal market. we're talking about responsible gun ownership. >> no you're talk being about disarming the good guy. you're talking about making a list of who has the guns. we kno

ban if they go back to the ban my gun will not be grandfathered in and they would want to get it back. >> host: i wonder why they would see going back to the band. one of the more fascinating figures in your book -- and i forgot the exact number now is how few people have gone through the process you did and actually bought and registered guns in the district. >> guest: its about 1500 year. >> host: and no crime has been committed with a gun that was legally registered. they are all being committed by unregistered illegals. >> guest: the thugs aren't going to go for 17 steps and take the five hour class we got eliminated last year to it but to imagine a criminal being like i'm sorry can i go to the police station? i need to take my 20-point question test before i get my gun. it's ridiculous. the only ones doing it for the law-abiding -- most people in d.c., because they tell me, the normally law-abiding people of guns don't register them because they don't want the government to know about them and they don't want to go throug

and a buy the gun. the key to that is one of the solutions of a crime in going for it check in filling it is lying. when becker from goes cynicism-gun and his writing of the form, that is a perjury charge. the largest of these things is for enforcement of those perjury charges. the problem is they don't see that as a priority. the attorney general says we don't have time for this. i interviewed jim baker. he was in the meeting at the white house. one meeting where they have a gun groups. they've known each other for years. baker said to him, with all the respect, prosecutions are down in your administration of these purchasers -- perjury charges. you have to go after this. this is so we get these guys off the street. the vice president says, we don't have time to go after these petty charges. the disconnect is such a problem because in order to stop people from doing straw purchases there has to be a deterrent. if the growth and things what happens, the fbi does in the denial, figure something on and say

and those with the gun laws? three recent veterans that i detail of my book they just don't exist anywhere else. not all because i get defensive over washington d.c. having the worst grandmas and i you very competitive over that. chicago says we have a bad because they just got that in july. i with began. i am defensive with the point is that most of the country they don't have crazy things like those that serve to tour just got back from coast about a wonderful soldier and he was illegally transporting they were locked not loaded he was injured in afghanistan and left his guns there he went to pick them up and he stopped at walter reed for a check of his injuries and in doing so i got turned around and got pulled over and the d.c. police claim that by stopping for medical treatment he was no vulgar medical -- she was a logger transporting so just to clarify it was unloaded a deadlocked it your trunk you can drive state to state and stop for gas. i the guy that went to trial he would have won but they settled. he

third, gun sales boomed, people are voting their beliefs by going to the store and buying the guns. [ talking at the same time ] >> question, in the wake of the murders will congress address the issues of violent mental illness histories and gun background checks. yes or no? >> no. we got -- the guy passed a background check -- >> because of what -- he had problems. >> the background checks were passed. the toughest gun laws in the country -- >> why aren't they enforced? [ talking at the same time ] >> the gun dealer wants to sell that gun. >> it is ashotgun -- a shotgun. >> we live next to virginia who has it loosest laws -- [ talking at the same time ] >> one of the common threads is, are the shootings at institutions where guns aren't allowed? the people know no one is going to fire back at them. >> they don't walk into police stations. [ talking at the same time ] >> military bases the rule changed by bill clinton. >> it makes america stink in terms of the way it looks. particularly to europe. >> the way it appears it is one of the black marks on the way america is scene. we shoul

the facts are in. gun violence is down. attempts at arbitrary laws -- >> you don't like arbitrariness. >> i got a question. >> let me talk to you about the science. the cdc issued a report commissioned by president obama just earlier this year, and it found some very inconvenient facts. armed citizens are less likely harmed by attackers. effectiveness of gun control laws is mixed. gun buybacks don't work. shouldn't we be looking at irrefutable evidence, irrefutable evidence. >> now obama's cdc is irrefutable? >> we have a ten-year experiment with the assault weapons ban. >> that was in tucson. >> in the tucson shooting, a 63-year-old woman whom i have met stopped the shooter from reloading. obviously, horrible things had already been done, but additional horrible things were not done because he needed to reload. so reloading after 15 rounds to me is -- that's a big number. i mean, a revolver is going to have six shots in it before you've got to reload. >> internalize it to make it something that appeals to you. but when you

the nation's unofficial capital of gun violence. , one of which was a 3-year-old boy. this comes just three weeks after a particularly violent labor day weekend in chicago, claimed the lives of eight and left more than 20 others injured. are legal guns an issue in this country? yes. are illegal guns an issue? yes. so what then is the common denominator? here to have that debate is larry pratt, executive director of gun owners of america. welcome, sir. and julian epstein. jewelian, if i might begin with you, we hear talk of mental health, video games, violent movies, television. all of these suggested as contributing factors to gun violence. but aren't we really avoiding the one underlying issue, that there are simply too many guns, and they're too easily obtained by those who wish to use them for malicious purposes? >> there really just isn't very much of a debate anymore about whether guns make you safer or whether guns make us more dangerous. the data are overwhelming. guns make us more dangerous, they don't make us safer. we have

why does the gun rights side, why are they so much stronger than the gun control side or the gun safetyever you want to call it? >> if you look at the nra, by far the largest gun rights group out there, an organization out there for 100 years or more and then you look at the major gun groups today, the gun safety groups, bloomberg, gabby gifford's group, the sandy hook group, combined they have been around for ten years. >> the gun rights people have a grassroots. you guys frankly don't. we are right of center country. a right of center country does not like nanny staters like mr. bloomburg coming in to tell us what's good for us. we can figure that out ourselves. >> we only have 30 seconds left. you have the momentum. your side in this, the groups, the activists and the grassroots. what's next? where are you turning your attention? >> we have to get rid of the gun free school zone. that's a magnet for murder. if you have in your evil heart to kill a lot of people, it is a great place to go. it is just disgusting we continue to disarm people who would otherwise be able to protect themse

to try to combat the misuse of guns. started that group in january, two years after gabby giffords was shot. since then they have been on the road for their cause. they began by testifying before a u.s. senate committee, pushing for background checks. over the summer, they took their case to seven states in seven days, sort of a whistle stop tour, that included mark kelley going through another background check. making the point that you can be gun owners, even gun enthusiasts and still support refortunatelies for gun safety. they also stopped at a shooting range, where congressman giffords fired a gun herself for the first time she was shot and so grievously wounded in 2007. she can no longer fire with her right hand, but seems to go okay with her left one. the debate of -- people who hate guns versus people who love guns. that's the way the beltway media casts the debate most often. that's the way that both sides like to pose the reform. but that is not how the debate is cast for people who are on the side of the debat

the gun pushes the bullet down. the bullet pushes the gun up. now, a rocket fires bullets, too. made out of lead? no, molecules of gas. - fires them fast or slow? - fast. with a lot of force or a little force? a lot of force. so those gas particles are fired up. they're pushed out, right? so the rocket pushes the gas down. you guys can finish it up. now you know how a rocket get to the moon. see, people used to think that the rocket pushes against the air. in fact, the father of rocketry, robert goddard, said back in the twenties, "hey, gang, the time is coming when the human race "will get to the moon with rockets. not airplanes, rockets." and he was belittled, and he was humiliated by the press. and one press person says, "dr. goddard obviously doesn't know his science. "because if he studies books, he'll find out "that between here and the moon is a vacuum, "and there's no air for the rocket to push against. so a rocket could never travel in a vacuum." and that's what they said. what do you guys think about that? can a rocket travel in a vacuum? yes. you know a rocket can tra

we haven't found a gun. they didn't find a gun, but zimmerman's own lawyer said he had a gun the whole time. listen to this. >> there was no gun, no gun found. we searched him physically. there was no weapon or any weapon involved. >> did you search his car? >> we did not. >> did george touch his gun during this? zb he was armed and like anyone with responsible gun ownership, he made sure it didn't go anywhere from the outside. he put his hand to secure the gun was hoelsered under his shirt. it stayed there the whole time. >> so his lawyer said the gun was under his shirt the whole time. the police said they didn't find the gun. was the lawyer lying on him? is the police lying? or did george ditch the gun somewhere? because this is a blatant inconsistency, faith. >> right. and so it's not clear. but here's what we do know. when the police got there or originally shellie said his hand was on the gun. then when police got there, she said she never saw a gun. and other witnesses said they didn't see a gun. it appea

then, there is the issue of gun control. t call an assault rifle an assault rifle for nothing. it's for assaulting. >> just recently we had this incident at the naval yard in washington. another mass shooting. >> yeah. >> countless more lives devastated. >> yeah. >> so it goes on, just this constant tidal wave. now that you've been so personally touched and you're in such a position of authority. >> yeah. >> is it affecting what you're going to be saying about this going forward? >> yeah. it will affect me in all three of those areas, not simply gun control. when i heard about that, those deaths at the naval yard, the first thing i did was get down on my knees and pray for those families of the victims. those who died and those who were wounded. and my heart went out to them. i do think that it should -- there is no way a gun should ever get in the hands of a mentally ill person, there's just no way. as i said, california has one of the strictest gun laws around. even with strict gun laws, he figured out a way. if you are per

sergeant chaplain ran after this gun-toting suspect that ignored the order to drop the gun. and probation officers gave charge of the suspect. and the suspect turned twice to sergeant chaplin with a fully-loaded assault weapon. and the suspect turned with the assault weapon in the direction of sergeant chaplain and attempted to line a shot on him. fearing for his life, the lives of other officers and the lives of innocent citizens, sergeant chaplain fired at the suspect three times wounding him. and sergeant chaplain took him to the ground and handcuffed him and seized the rifle. an inspection of this firearm revealed it was loaded with 25 live rounds. collier having knowledge that the gang members commonly traveled in packs. and recognized another known gang member in the same block in a vehicle. and i want to honor those probation officers that are out in the audience. [applause] it's been my pleasure to have these two fine sergeants at the time, and now lieutenants obviously, and i have lost tony -- if i can get you back, i would love to have you back. for their heroism an

lowest number of guns and the lowest level of gun violence. k if you look at the research, you can see that there are certain gun laws that if we had in place, it would make a huge difference, both in terms of mass shootings and in terms of the overall level of violence. >> might continue to tell us, krystal, it's not about the weapons, nothing to do with the guns. >> they do tell us that. if we're waiting for our legislators to have courage on this issue, i think we can stop holding our breath. really, it comes back to us, to the population making this issue so hot on the side of gun control that legislators cannot resist. and it is in their political interest to bring these issues to the forefront and pass legislation. >> absolutely. krystal ball, jonathan capehart, thank you so much, both of you. >> thanks, martin. >>> coming up, climate change, sequester and benghazi. oh, my. it is a busy hump day in washington. ♪ [ female announcer ] we lowered her fever. you raise her spirits. we tackled your shoulder pain. you make him rookie of the year

why some say texas can be converted to democratic territory in times for the 2016 election. debate over gun control is heating up today. the white house, is sending a strong message to congress, saying the mass shooting proves that the country needs bedder mental health screening for gun guyers. the call come as more details shooting. reports say alexis had a history of mental illness, and even complained of hearing voices. on tuesday, president obama met with fbi director and the attorney general eric holder, that's the picture you see here, mr. ottawa ma called for a review of security at all federal agencies. police have identified all of the victims none of them were active duty personnel. good morning. this morning officials are making arrangements to allow nonessential personnel to retrieve their vehicles from the washington navy yard, still today only essential personnel at work as investigation continues into the procedures that were used to give a man with a troubled past a security clearance. once inside, he reassembled the weapon in a men's room, eventually opening fire on unsusp

so, if this person who was the one with gun who was still in the chair who was killed, then cho would've had three guns. you know, you could what if the situation a thousand times, you know? it doesn't get you anywhere. it's people who think they're going to save the day. so many people who have looked at me and told me, you know, to my face or through emails or through whatever or through responding to my comments on whatever that you know, that if they were there that day with me in my class, they would've saved the lives of people around me, man. that almost offends me, the fact that you can so sure tell me what you would do in that situation when i guarantee you, man, you would lose your mind if you were in that thing. >> the question is, what's so different about a college campus that we can suspend the self-- the need to self-defense on that campus? >> this is something to deal with a situation at the last possible second. let's look at the facts from virginia tech. we could have prevented cho from purchasing the guns the way he did. he did it legally. he passed the check because h

the gun laws in california are strict. they worked. t a gun legally. >> had he tried to do it legally? >> oh, yeah, for a long time. we are grateful the laws kept matthew from getting a gun for as long as it did. >> he kept trying. >> he wanted to for one purpose? >> only one purpose. because he knew it would end it for him and he was just so determined. >> when did he finally get this gun? >> a month before he took his life. >> do you know how he got it? >> he told me everything. he told me that he found somebody finally on the internet who would sell it to him. it had to be super encrypted and this whole process. he begged me to help him because he couldn't figure out the process. again, there are so many moments of terrible choses with mental illness. here is my son is terrible pain begging me to help him to get a means to end his pain. it's like, my son, i can't do that. i can help you live. i will do anything to help you live. i cannot help you take your life. he finally through great struggle was able to figure it out. so he got a

then there is the issue of gun control. they don't call an assault rifle an assault rifle for nothing. it's for assaulting. >> just recently we had this incident at the naval yard in washington. another mass shooting. >> yeah. >> countless more lives devastated. >> yeah. >> so it goes on, just this constant tidal wave. now that you've been so personally touched and you're in such a position of authority. >> yeah. >> is it affecting what you're going to be saying about this going forward? >> yeah. it will affect me in all three of those areas, not simply gun control. by the way, when i heard about that -- those deaths at the naval yard, the first thing i did was get down on my knees and pray for those families of the victims. those who died and those who were wounded. and my heart went out to them. i do think that it should -- there is no way a gun should ever get in the hands of a mentally ill person. there's just no way. as i said, california has one of the strictest gun laws around. even with strict gun laws, he figured ou

a gun store in virginia. the very state where aaron alexis bought his gun. tion tonight about the issue morgan spurlock also director of "one direction." someone just tweeted me. they said america's rights to possess guns has given americans the right to be easily killed by somebody, which is, you know, one way of looking at it. >> sure. >> it's a really disheartening sense of groundhog day with the gun massacres and no desire, no strong enough desire by the politicians or the people of america to do anything constructive about it. >> yeah. i mean, the bigger question is since sandy hook, there have been about 20,000 gun deaths in the united states. 60% of those are suicide so you've got 8,000 homicides that have happened since sandy hook. it takes something like this for us to have a conversation about it. and for me, i think the complacency, the apathy that we have towards this issue is kind of disturbing. >> yeah. we do have the conversation when these things happen. i've been on cnn for three years and it's the same conversation. i joined -- i was on ther

then there is the issue of gun control. they don't call an assault rifle an assault rifle for nothing. it's for assaulting. >> just recently we had this incident at the naval yard in washington. another mass shooting. >> yeah. >> countless more lives devastated. >> yeah. >> so it goes on, just this constant tidal wave. now that you've been so personally touched and you're in such a position of authority. >> yeah. >> is it affecting what you're going to be saying about this going forward? >> yeah. it will affect me in all three of those areas, not simply gun control. by the way, when i heard about that -- those deaths at the naval yard, the first thing i did was get down on my knees and pray for those families of the victims. those who died and those who were wounded. and my heart went out to them. i do think that it should -- there is no way a gun should ever get in the hands of a mentally ill person. there's just no way. as i said, california has one of the strictest gun laws around. even with strict gun laws, he figured ou

the gun laws in california are strict. they worked. ouldn't get a gun legally. >> had he tried to do it legally? >> oh, yeah, for a long time. we are grateful the laws kept matthew from getting a gun for as long as it did. >> yeah. but he kept trying. >> he wanted one as far as you're aware for only one purpose? >> only one purpose. because he knew it would end it for him and he was just so determined. >> when did he finally get this gun? >> a month before he took his life. >> do you know how he got it? who he got it from? >> he told me that he -- he told me everything. he told me that he found somebody finally on the internet who would sell it to him. it had to be super encrypted and it had to be this whole process. he begged me to help him because he couldn't figure out the process. again, there are so many moments of terrible choses with mental illness. here is my son is terrible pain begging me to help him to get a means to end his pain. it's like, my son, i can't do that. i can help you live. i will do anything to help you live. i

what do we know about the gun involvement here? he came in with one firearm and picked up those of the guards he shot? >> that's what pete williams is telling us. that he came in with the double barrelled shotgun sawed off which would have allowed him to conceal it as he was coming in. then using that weapon and as you know using a shotgun up close, that's one of the best confrontational weapons or the worst depending if you're on the receiving end you could run into. after confronting and shooting police officers, he may well have been able to take away an ar-15 assault rifle and pistol. and now he's got these three weapons at and at least one witness describes him reloading one of the weapons while he's shooting these multiple people, a dozen people that he kills and another dozen that are either injured or wounded. >> what's the pow pow pow eyewitness tells you, does that mean semiautomatic? >> that could either be the ar-15 or a semiautomatic handgun. either one would have that same sound. if you get just a few quarters away or

control darwinist they really believe that the best way to take guns out of the hands of bad guys is to just give a whole mess of guns everybody and hope that the good guys shoot the bad guys and that sounds absurd but that's actually what a lot of these guys think and that is kind of the new wave of you know very very conservative laissez faire libertarian thought that's that's that's sort of the rule in washington these days there is the answer to more guns is more guns yeah i mean that's what the n.r.a. said about newtown you know i was walking out of a funeral for one of the little girls and i got handed to me the statement from wayne la pierre who essentially went on the air a week after the shooting and said you know the way that we solve the problem in newtown is put more guns in schools and you know teachers you know principals know that that's not being answered the american public gets that but that the organization still has a lot of influence here senator president obama said that he's concerned that there's now a kind of a i want to get th

the n.r.a. that continues to push for looser gun laws in the face of mounting evidence that lax firearm regulations in easy access to guns contributes to the deaths of thousands of innocent people every year but not everyone thinks this is such a big deal i'm joined now by ted sufferer audie president and founder of the tea party news network todd welcome to the program. thank you for having me it's friday by the way my apologies how many more how many more massacres is going to take before we change our gun laws. well first of all i'd just like to say our thoughts and prayers go out to the victims of the families and the victims of the incident and our thoughts and prayers go out to anyone across the country that's killed by any means whether it be gun violence or or any type of death in this country is is a travesty and a tragedy. but remember that chicago has over three hundred deaths per year as well and. unfortunately we're not talking about those deaths that seems like the left in the liberal media like to actually i am talking about those deaths in this study they factored out whether it was

stronger gun safety laws like maryland. theer six months after the newtown massacre and has launched efforts in california, illinois, missouri, and new york. perry's trip to baretta was announced before the d.c. shooting, but he's made no changes in his schedule in the wake of massacre. on the other end of the response is starbucks. in a message last night, howard schultz, the ceo of the coffee giant, announced starbucks appreciation days, an initiative where gun owners bring their weapons to local starbucks in an effort to tweak the progressively minded company. starbucks has always respected local open carry laws, and while schultz didn't reverse the policy on the coffee house weaponry, he wrote, we are respectfully requesting customers no longer bring firearms into our stores or outdoor seating areas, even in states where open carry is permitted. please respect that starbucks stores are places where everyone should feel relaxed and comfortable. the presence of a weapon in our stores is unsettling and upsetting for many of ou

hike still had the gun out and pointing it at the teller's face. officer simmons noticed that hike start to shake erratically with the gun in his hand. and was concerned of his safety and the safety of the approximately 50 people in the bank. officer simmons drew his firearm but reholsterred because he was in fear of hurting someone in the bank or creating a hostage situation. after holsterring his firearm he got as close to the suspect to take action. he observed mr. hike turn his focus to the money being placed in the bag. at that point officer simmons knowing that he couldn't wait for back-up and not wanting to make the situation worse pounced on mr. hike very quickly. with total disregard for his own safety, he engaged in a violent struggle with an armed suspect. until he was finally taken in custody and the gun went sliding across the bank. officer simmons displayed outstanding bravery in the face of danger and finally his back-up arrived. his quick actions foiled a robbery that could result in the loss of his life and those inside and out of

>> in my view, it's 100% the gun lobby. they bought the signatures to force the election in the first preys. they sent flyers before the signatures were gathered. they paid for television advertisements. they did all kinds of misinformation and disinformation very deliberately. i'm a gun owner in my district that actually say we can be responsible gun owners and it doesn't mean that we need to fully arm our mentally ill to where when they want to create mayhem they can do it quickly and easily. i don't think it was the gun owners in my district, i think it was more the nra, they whipped up the frenzy like they always do. >> what is the recipe for defeating them? i think you are sick, and senator morris is sick, the president is sick, everyone watching this is sick of this absolutely brutally macabre national ritual that we have these once in a while and we shake our heads and we move on. what is the solution to beating the nra, to beating the gun lobby? >> we'll continue to expose the nra for what it is. it is no longer a gu

deaths of the washington navy yard shooting victims the debate over guns in america is once again the navy yard shooting comes just nine months after another shooting tragedy in newtown connecticut where twenty six children and teachers lost their lives and adam lanza gain access to sandy hook elementary school and opened fire with a ar fifteen military style assault rifle and while mass shootings may grab all the media's attention thousands of americans are losing their lives to gun violence all across america from the neighborhoods of new york to the streets of chicago unfortunately while there were congressional hearings into gun violence in america in the immediate aftermath of the sandy hook tragedy congress has failed to enact any type of meaningful gun control legislation since that day so what can be done to stop all the bloodshed and to stop the epidemic of gun violence that claims the lives of innocent americans each and every day joining me now is elliot fein father of a murder victim and founder and president of gun victims action council margo bennett execut

it turns out the gun is a fake. still, after seeing the video, cy can't comprehend what his wife went through. >> i still watch it and go why was he so physically mean? you know? all he had to do is pull the gun up and say give me the money and she would have complied a million times over. just didn't make sense. >> today cy mans the store, and he's made a few security changes. >> the main thing is, there's bulletproof glass here to make sure they can't come over the counter. >> angie stopped working to spend more time with her children, time she's so grateful to have. >> whoo-hoo! >> she says when her kids watch the video, they see a side to their mom they might never have known, and she, too, admits she's a lot tougher than she realized. >> my children think i'm very brave when they see the video. i saw that i can take care of myself, i am tough, and i am impressed with what i was able to do under such duress. >>> coming up, a tense hostage standoff on the streets of los angeles. plus, a pint-sized store worker tak

he was taken to this outcove area and on the way he realized or recalled he had a gun hidden on the safen that area. and he said he made a decision as he knelt at gun point to grab the gun and try to get to capnerhurst before he shot him basically. >> so he turned around and caught bryan off guard? >> the way hex pland it. >> by shooting him. >> yes. he ran and checked on his wife and realized that she was dead or dig and then he went and called 911. >> police recovered two guns in the scene. brett's revolver, the gun he kept on his safe and used to shoot bryan and in bryan's hand police found a .9 millimeter pistol used to kill tammy. near bryan's body was open gym bag and ammo with an open magazine clip clearly visible on top. to investigators it looked like brett parker had fought for his life, shot a man in self-defense, and had just lost his beautiful wife. the big question was why, why would such a good friend turn on them? >> one of the first questions i asked him was, what was his relationship with this man me said, you know, can i talk to you in private. that's when he told me h

hand on the gun, even a punch to the nose. a bunch to george zimmerman's nose in the trayvon martin case was so central. ultimately this is a domestic violence call. even though shellie zimmerman does not want to press charges, they may anyway since there's a witness as she says there is. this may just be the beginning. >> marcia clark, the fact that he according to what his wife says on the 911 tape says he's threatening with the gun, he keeps putting his hand on the gun. what do you get souout of that? >> that's threatening conduct. potential assault with a deadly weapon. if the words and other actions accompany it to show he has the intent to inflict serious bodily injury or use the firearm, then that's an assault. you don't have to touch someone to be guilty of assault with a deadly weapon. it doesn't sound it went that far. i can't tell exactly. and the fact she doesn't want to press charges is not helpful to the case. but lisa's right. we don't especially in los angeles, we don't allow the victims to decide they're not g