in tripoli or the hague? >> the council chairmen said he would like the trial to take place in the hague. obviously, he is not the libyan people that he is the representative for the time being. my instincts are that it would make sense for it to happen there. obviously it is vital that the trial is free and fair. i worry that it would be to in the difficult for that fairness to take place and even if it did, for it to be perceived as much. >> what makes you say that? i am sure that many people in libya, in tripoli, in that country will disagree with you strongly. >> , gaddafi has effectively indicted himself. that being said, i think that having an international court like the hague that can specialize in objectivity will be important. the hague exists only to try to pool where a domestic court is. if the libyan courts can do this, it would be best that he is tried in the lake. -- in the hague. >> this is a question, colonel gaddafi's whereabouts. any ideas? >> this is like the ultimate speculation. 48 hours

i think you know the hague the international court is very much involved in what's going to happen when they capture qaddafi which i have no doubt they will they will be very much involved they've already said that they want his sons in their custody which is kind of interesting i find but when qaddafi is captured and detained the international court out of the hague is sounds like it's going to step in so does that mean the people of libya are going to decide his fate i don't really think so i think the international court's going to decide his fate and i sound a little cynical when i say this i think maybe his trial and maybe who knows punishment execution life in prison may be in libya to make it look like the libyan people or are deciding his fate but i think that's already i think that as they say that forces left the bar and i think the international court's going to take it over a little earlier in a report from washington d.c. got to come with saying a bomb has been quoted as saying that nato has done a good job it looks like the people's wishes come about thanks to nato but of

we know invaded iraq and killed hundreds of thousands of iraqis they never stand in the dock at the hague or in the international criminal court the u.s. will use it as it has in the past in order to gain credibility for its invasion and occupation or in this case bombing campaign we don't know what you will do but it's not just us at the hague. to hear what you have to say thanks for telling brownback joining us live in washington d.c. thank you. were members of the european union and once again called gadhafi to relinquish power but you four are over the ongoing assault on tripoli is fading replaced by concern that the new government may not have the authority needed to bring and maintain peace with ben it is following the reaction force from london. the prime minister david cameron is very confident that this is the beginning of the end he said that he is on his way out he's recently just been on the phone to the leader of the national transitional council mustapha. stressing the need for a smooth peaceful and that's going to transition to this new democratic leadership at the same tim

he denounced he would soon be in the hague facing charges of crimes against humanity. first, they have to be caught. james robins, "bbc news." >> the bbc has been witnessing the events unfold in tripoli. we were sent this account. >> there have been extraordinary scenes here in the capital tripoli today. parts of the city literally exploded in celebrations. there were hours and hours of celebratory gunfire. some of it rather dangerous in terms of how much ordinance was landing in the neighborhoods here and in other parts of the city. people going to the green square, which has been renamed martyr square. it was a time of absolute euphoric celebration. this is a city of some two million people, where there are known to be genuine supporters of colonel gaddafi and some loyalists. so still in some streets some fighting. but today with the taking of the main compound, the compound tra translates to splendid gate, the rebels have scored a decisive victory. tomorrow we're expecting that the members of the national transitional council will come from their stronghold in the ea

the hague has an arrest warrant for them. rebel forces are now in the heart of tripoli, including in green square. sara seidner is almost there right now. we're going to be going to her in just a moment. libyan government concedes that parts of the city are no longer under its control. it says 1,300 people have been killed over the past 12 hours. a government spokesman has called for immediate negotiation and a halt to the rebel assault. the libyan rebels say some gadhafi loyalists are still holding out in the capital of tripoli. but let's go to my colleague matthew chance. he and other universities have been watching these fast-moving developments unfold at a hotel where they were. matthew, tell us what it's like where you are right now. we're worried but but set the scene. >> reporter: well, it's a very strange vantage point we have on this tripoli crisis. as the gun battles rage outside as crowds celebrate in some parts of tripoli, we're still confined to this hotel in the center of the city. at one point earlier this eveni

have they told you where he is position positioned -- where he is held while being transferred to the haguee was arrested and, but, no. tomorrow the authorities have to manage the problem. >> luis moreno-ocampo, very important information there with the hope that the transitional authorities in libya will be able to work with the icc. work out a plan for the transfer of one of moammar gadhafi's sons. an arrest warrant issued for saif islam gadhafi. we'll continue to follow this story. we'll be right back.uc mobile app. g the schb it's schwab at your fingertips wherever, whenever you want. one log in lets you monitor all of your balances and transfer between accounts, so your money can move as fast as you do. check out your portfolio, track the market with live updates. and execute trades anywhere and anytime the inspiration hits you. even deposit checks right from your phone. just take a picture, hit deposit and you're done. open an account today and put schwab mobile to work for you. sure, but let me get a little information first. for broccoli, say one. for toys, say two. toys ! the syste

the international criminal court in the hague told nhk monday it contained information the son has been held. gadhafi called on his supporters to fed to the end. the opposition says about 20% of the capital remains under government control and the regime is still resisting the offensive. libya fell into civil war in february. since then, the whole african nation has been in turmoil. >>> moammar gadhafi has ruled libya for 42 years. he's the longest serving head of the state in the arab world. >> reporter: gadhafi took power in 1969 at the age o he led a bloodless coup against the king. he was initially a fierce opponent of the west. and he's long been accused of repressing any opposition. in 1988, libya was blamed for the bombing of an airliner over the scottish town of lockerbie. the united nations imposed economic sanctions. in 2003, libya accepted responsibility for the lockerbie bombing and said it would abandon its plan to develop weapons of mass destruction. libya's relations with the west improved in later years, thanks to its oil and gas reserves. gadhafi made his first speech a

instead of being -- he should be arrested and sent to the hague. this man is a war criminal. d our other witnesses, including brad phillips after being out among the people for 12 days, he said, please, what can we do? nobody is paying attention to this escalation in violence. three days later we had a hearing and c-span carry it so much -- more americans would be aware. and aircraft are dropping bombs indiscriminately on women and children and men and targeting people on the ground. they're making it so they cannot plant. he said, there will be in new famine that will undoubtedly occur and perhaps thousands more will die from hunger. what he asked for and where others ask for is that the administration would make this a priority. there has been far too little interest shown. there have been no u.n. peacekeepers to provide help for some semblance of projection. the people are being mowed down and killed. >> we have a little less than 10 minutes. go ahead, sean. >> in the case of sudan and south sudan, the khartoum government did immediately recognize south sudan this was a lon

administration official michael bryant says once caught no matter what happens to gadhafi it'll be the hague tribunal pulling the strings be careful what you ask for you might get it then again you may not be the example of egypt and they're not really they're a they didn't get what they were fighting for that may happen in libya as well. it seems that. the west is very there's a there's a bond between the libyan rebels and the western countries there's a lot of input. now what we'll have to do are a lot of you know a lot of interplay i should say but now we'll have to wait and see. the rebels who are still sort of for you know exactly who are what are they and how will they did they are they just using the west to get to take over tripoli in the country and get rid of gadhafi and then once that's done they're going to do their own thing and they don't need the west anymore the hague the international court is very much involved in what's going to happen when they capture to darfur which i have no doubt they will so does that mean the people of libya are going to decide his fate i don't real

i think you know the hague the international court is very much involved in what's going to happen when when they capture khadafi which i have no doubt they will they will be very much involved they've already said that they want his sons in their custody which is kind of an arresting i find but going off he is captured in detained the international court out of the hague is sounds like it's going to step in so does that mean the people of libya are going to. decide his fate i don't really think so i think the international court's going to decide his fate and i know i sound a little cynical when i say this i think maybe his trial and maybe punishment execution life in prison may be in libya to make it look like the libyan people or are deciding his fate. and a former u.s. diplomat in libya john graham points out the difficulties of creating a new democratic state from the war torn country there is so little civil society in libya there are so few and so democratic institutions and they are so weak they have nothing to build on egypt in tunisia there was at least something to build on o

he should be at the hague for war crimes and genocide. he has been indicted. he travels around. he was recently in china in june. he received the red carpet treatment. instead of being arrested and sent to the hague for prosecution. this man is a war criminal and genocider. other witnesses, including brad phillips who said what can you do question and nobody's paying attention to this escalation in violence. three days later, we had a hearing. c-span carried if so many americans became more aware of it. the bishop made another point. the second issue that will drop besides them dropping bombs on innocent people is that they are making it so they cannot plant. he says there will be a new famine that will undoubtedly occur and perhaps thousands more will die from hunger. they are asking that the obama administration make this a priority. there has been little interest shown. there have been no u.n. peacekeepers to provide some semblance of protection. people are being mowed down and killed. >> we have little less than 10 minutes. >> in the case of south sudan, the khartoum governme

and then once that's done they're going to do their own thing and they don't need the west anymore the hague the international court is very much involved in what's going to happen when they capture khadafi which i have no doubt they will so does that mean the people of libya are going to decide his fate i don't really think so i think the international court's going to decide his fate and i sound a little cynical when i say this i think maybe his trial and maybe punishment execution life in prison may be in libya to make it look like the libyan people or are deciding his fate. well we are bringing you more expert opinion on developments in libya and also this hour for you on our team front here fighting we reported prom believe in border where people fear of the internal conflict is already spilling into tunisia plus. this is what's left from the office of crowd in the center of the city all the hamas official says it was attacked by extremist groups operating here shortly before and to the city r.t. towards the country which man you believe is following him may be useful steps our special

going cut off he is captured in detained the international court out of the hague is sounds like it's going to step in so does that mean the people of libya are going to. decide his fate i don't really think so i think the international court's going to decide his fate. major nato members have already recognized libya's rebels as the country's legitimate government russia's envoy to the alliance says western forces were heavily involved in the rebels' advance to the capital. it. is not that nato forces were involved in the storming of tripoli and other libyan cities but that it's been done with the help of military instructors also in some places so-called soldiers of fortune were involved that is former nato soldiers who are now working with some unofficial security forces security firms and so on so these soldiers of fortune also take part in these fights no one is denying that but if you ask a direct question whether nato takes part in the ground operation or what the major western forces take part in storming libyan cities the answer you will get of course is no which is no surpri

and then once that's gone they're going to do their own thing and they don't need the west anymore the hague be reassured or is very much involved in what's going to happen when when they captured gadhafi which i have no doubt they will so does that mean the people of libya are going to decide his fate i don't really think so i think the international court's going to decide his fate and i sound a little cynical when i say this i think maybe his trial and maybe punishment execution life in prison may be in libya to make it look like the libyan people or are deciding his fate hiding in the he is reported to have reached the country's border with tunisia where heavy gunfire has been heard that he has beefed up its army presence in the frontier areas leaving and infiltrators have allegedly crossed the border are just correspondent a really low skilled at a spot for us. violent clashes have been reported along it's unusually been border over the weekend it all started on friday when a local resident has reported that near the town of dues reportedly several vehicles with the license plate carryi

the international criminal court at the hague has an arrest warrant for him. now we are told in the heart of tripoli's green square which they have renamed martyr's square. we heard moments ago that some of them are pushing back with word that gadhafi forces may be going to reenter that part of the city. the government has been saying 1,300 people have been killed over the past 12 hours. our people on the ground have seen no evidence of that though. one of our reporters with the rebels say there are no signs of pro government forces on the streets of tripoli at the moment. >> our colleague matthew chance is holed up in a hotel in the middle of tripoli. with him other journalists and a skeleton security staff. last time we spoke, matthew, we could hear machine gun fire behind you. are we still hearing gun fire? >> not at the moment, wolf. it's pretty quiet outside. it's strange. the ferocious clashes we have been witnessing and hearing a couple hours ago have diminished now. as we speak now i'm not hearing anything at all. maybe the occasional gunshot here and t

but seven seats were made in under seven days, the first man was forgiven when he missed the hague, the branch was taken by a dove to a book that was built before a flood, if a rainbow sent out a sign, if someone was told to sacrifice his own son and told to hold up before he was done, then the fish and bread that i just said is all that i've got, is all that i need for me to get fed and for me to feed a whole lot of folks in need because they set me on fire. when they look back, i was chilling. i had to fight like 10 older brothers, and because i had this dream, so they sold me out to a band of bandits and one day was commanded to stop, drop, when i got this fish that i found while fishing around, under water with the daughter of the pharaoh, the child was chosen to force the pharaoh to free his folks from a foreign land, repair everywoman, prepare every man, prepare every child, all you've got is that right in your hand. all i've got is some fish and a few loaves of bread, and a whole lot of folks have got to get fed, but i believe. i believe i can part the sea now and then, and then

. >> i think the goal would be to capture gadhafi and his sons alive and for them to go to the hague hed trial for war crimes. that's the right ending here. not to find them in a foxhole. not to have some spectacular demise which is what i predict at the moment, but if the libyans could in my view stop looting the palace and stop celebrating prematurely but in some organized, very disciplined way, try to find gadhafi and transfer him peacefully to the hague, that would be great. >> what steps can the coalition take, nato obviously still in there, what can we do to facilitate that kind of outcome so that we're not descending into some form of chaos? >> well, conversations are ongoing, meetings are now planned in paris and elsewhere. i would wish that meetings were in the region and not in the european capitals, but nonetheless, there's conversation about taking the lock off of bank accounts around the world. i would hope that before money is transferred, there's at least some assurance that that money will be used responsibly in the interests of the libyan people, because that's the go

he is in custody and, like his father, is facing charges of crimes against humanity at the hague. occer player in italy, which is interesting. he didn't see much on-field action and failed a doping test. many say he bought his way into the sport. where is moammar gadhafi, that is the question that is still unanswered. he may not even be in tripoli. carol? >> president obama is calling all of this a tipping point for libya, take-over of tripoli by rebel forces. he said tripoli is stripping from the grasp of a tyrant. the gadhafi regime is showing signs of collapsing. the surest way for bloodshed to end is simple. moammar gaud autographi needs to acknowledge he no longer controls libya. he needs to relinquish power once and for all. do we expect to see the president on camera at any time soon? >> reporter: it's unclear at this point right now. nothing on schedule for the president to be to appear on camera. he will be having a briefing with a deputy white house spokesman some time this morning. the exact time not locked in at this point, the white house being very careful about getti

to take in gadhafi personally and shelter him from any international efforts to bring him before the hague or anyone else. how will the united states reacted to some country that makes a decision like that? >> obviously, it's a very limited circle and gadhafi has probably made some arrangements to have an escape hatch in the event this happen, and there are lots of rogue leaders else where that are, themselves, pariahs around the world that may well be willing to welcome gadhafi and the billions he's squared away somewhere in the world. this is where the credibility of the international system of justice is important and critical. we see next door to libya in sudan where bashir is under an indictment from the i.c.c., but so far no country has been willing to execute, you know, that writ and move him to the hague, so this will be a challenge going forward in terms of the credibility of the i.c.c. and the willingness of the international community to enforce its dictate. but then again, the good news here is that gadhafi has very, very few friends, only a handful of leaders who, you know, ch

the last war criminal is extradited to the hague. is talk of a new fear, and economic space which offers certain advantages. >> they say that nostalgias not used to be. with that, we're at the end of the program. we will see you here next time. goodbye.

argued today for an international war crimes trial in the hague. the interim government said it wants gadhafi to stand trial at home. as mubarak is in egypt. it's leader said we will give him a fair trial. and finally, what does this all mean for the region? some believe it could breathe new life into protests elsewhere, even in syria, others warn even successful revolutions can breed chaos, most recently new violence between egypt and israel. the u.s. is now working to give the interim government access to $30 billion of gadhafi's frozen assets, if the new leaders can impose order on chaos, experts expect another benefit, lower world oil prices as libya's oil production comes back online. >>> our pentagon correspondent jim miklaszewski broke this news last week on this broadcast, that gadhafi's time in power was coming to an end. one of the big questions at the pentagon and elsewhere tonight, what about this big nato operation that the u.s. has been a part of, does it end? jim's with us from the pentagon tonight. good evening, jim. >> reporter: goo

he should be sent to the hague. it help give legitimacy to the traditional government and give them enough distance so they can still work with people that supported him if necessary. this from brian. hopefully not the way saddam's death was broadcast. let him come to trial. my personal feelings are he will be killed or martyr himself. this from jeff. they should send him to the international criminal court. viable future, new regime must be found order the rule of law. if they just executed him without a trial, how are they any different from the gadhafi regime? keep the conversation going. facebook.com/americanmorning. we will read more of your comments a bit later. >> in south africa they had reconciliation. >> one of the best examples ever. >> it was a very -- a very interesting model of trying -- people trying to put this all behind them. that was a much different situation. >> yes. that's an interesting model. think about all good options to get this -- to get the new libya founded as one of your commentators s

turbulence that's all concerns over the greek salad continue with some countries touting our plans in the hague not the multibillion around town. and the farmer joins us from the sports task with news on the u.s. open yeah like that as usual untamed russians and pacing in the first round but you're out of the one of the over the big names progress there plus we look at what could be a golden day for russia at the world athletics championships. hello there you're watching the sport and these are the headlines. topsy cheer up of of all of the over reach the second round of the u.s. open all day wimbledon champion convicted. but there's no show for federer who keeps up his hundred percent grackle. her crown the zimbabwe goes for gold at the world championships. but first russia's top so you see reassure out of i'm here is one of the through to the second round of the u.s. open although she did have to fight back from a set down to beat britain's had the watson. sets three states and threw out her way back to take the second seven five before finally winning the deciding game starting set rather si

he said that seif would be at the hague. they have to be cut first. >> among the many and challenges facing the country, the establishment of a stable democratic system. the director of the center for the advancement of arab understanding. i asked him for his assessment of the constitution. >> it was drafted on august 8. i think it will meet with approval. it is inclusive and includes a lot in terms of human rights and law. and certain things that were targeted for libya. the privacy and prohibition on phone tapping and such like. where it is interesting, the way it maps out. how libya will go forward. we're talking about a transitional period of 20 months before you get a democratically elected government. the first stage is to have elections to a national council which will review a constitution, which would be put in front of a fall referendum. leaving -- leading to democratic general elections. obviously, that is not the only challenge. in libya you never had elections, you never had a democratic experience or a civil soc

in amsterdam, the other modes of transport are so well-organized, it is just like in the hague, a car is more of a new sense that a create a car is more of a nuisance and liability. it is expensive. the other modes of transport are much more convenient. >> ok, mike, you have a question? use the microphone, please. >> separated bike paths in the united states are controversial, and they're slowly catching on. how important is it to have those facilities in place? is it maybe a quarter of importance, 50% of the attraction for people to take their bikes? i'm wondering how important it is. >> i think that you need a cycling infrastructure, both from a statistical point of view and the feeling that people have when they use it. otherwise, we do not think we would have more people cycling if we did not put in more cycling facilities. i think the cycling infrastructure is absolutely necessary. if you want to do something for the other groups, you also have to do a lot when you design your intersections. that is where the most accidents happen and where the people feel the most unsafe. we're

anybody else that they if there is evidence they should they should be dealt with in libya and not in the hague or anywhere else i feel that the whole western intervention around this has been. too they were caught taken by surprise by the average what they're trying to do is to reassert western control. well the question you could have his whereabouts is yet to be answered and i spoke to dr going to he's a director of the german orient institute based in berlin who thinks the embattled leader is not likely to run away gaddafi is very erratic in his behavior and is very difficult to say what will you do i mean his son and the television yesterday said no no my father still here and we are fighting and he is not the man to run away like the other dictators did but on the other hand side i'm quite sure that he must have an emergency exit from his bunker system and can escape if he still should be there it might also be you know unfortunately as we see truth the first victim of any war so nobody knows what is true in all the different than outs which i don't think that will take him to new years d

from the international criminal court is urging rebels to hand over gadhafi's son to stand trial in the haguetedly have three of gadhafi's sons in custody. >>> ron paul may not get enough attention, but he certainly cleaned up in new hampshire over the week. he won the new hampshire young republicans straw poll. and last week he was just 152 votes behind michele bachmann in the ames, iowa, straw poll. and check out this ad the paul campaign is running in iowa and new hampshire. >> a story of failed policies. failed leadership. a story of smooth talking politicians. games of he said, she said, rhetoric. one man has stood apart. stood strong and true. >> joining me now jesse benton chairman for ron paul's presidential campaign. for the folks who may have been listening on the radio, there's ron paul basically comparing some of his opponents to the most recognizable democrats on capitol hill. is that a strategy that's working? >> i think that it is. every other candidate in this race represents for more or less the status quo. we have some major problems, systemic problems in this country and ro

we were talking about something called the hagues bozon particle. plain what that is. >> it's a theoretical thing that we think is responsible for mass in the universe. >> stephen: subatomic? >> subatomic parliament. why does this table have mass. >> stephen: it's wood. it's made of wood. go ahead. next question, physics man. >> we need not bother building this thing. so it's a particle that we thing is responsible for that, generating mass in the universe. >> stephen: it gives mass to things. >> to everything. last time i was on we were talking about it, and there were theories about people coming back from the future. it was all nonsense. i think bollox was the word i used. as of last week, we might see hints of it for the first time. >> stephen: hints of? >> this thing, this particle. it may well exist. >> stephen: what does it mean to find this? >> it's a fundamental part of our theory of everything in the universe other than gravity. so every phenomenon, electricity, magnetism, the way nuke lee eats stick together. the heart of the theory is thi