to stifle you look at you there's a plethora of books out there the rise and fall of palestine the holocaust industry reflections on the exploitation of jewish suffering beyond what's been the. huge intrusive debate hasn't been stifled it's all. too much time has a way in some dusty room on able to speak. today a debate and a new book called the case for israel it's by alan dershowitz who is one of the nation's foremost appellate lawyers felix frankfurter professor of law at harvard law school and why don't we start with you laying out the thesis of your latest book the case for israel well i want to write a progressive liberal case for the two state solution which i think that most israelis favor and have favored for a long time i argue in the book that no country in history faced with comparable threats both external and internal has ever tried so hard to comply with the rule of law i compare israel favorably to the united states in this regard norman finkelstein your response i was asked to comment in the skies his new book i went home purchased one copy in fact i purchased two copies i r

this book is the holocaust industry and norman finkelstein the author of welcome to you thank you for having me controversial and i can't not use words mean over you i mean i i i. i. you. know many things that i don't buy i don't even know so that all of us i remain faithful. to the horrendous suffering of my parents yet the nazi how the course has ceased to be a source of morrow or historical miten and it has become a straight out a distortion racket i have full of american jews have a fact of holy hijacked the nazi holocaust for the last mayo europe. these how local and tough there's have to be one of them a phone or. an anti semitism in europe as well as the main perpetrators of the nile i do slightly disagree with the tone of us was what a discussion about hers because i do feel that remember a specially organized broome's is costly it doesn't just hack it isn't just done by volunteer. there is no avoid something like it organization that we call that. this is not about some construction of memory this is about people using history for their political purposes. there is no new ant

at the holocaust of world, he said germany's commitment to israel's security was based on the past --the holocaust memorial. >> after lagging a wreath, jaochim gauck road a few lines in the guest book about the emotions of being at this memorial, the sense of sympathy, morning, and horror in the face of such evil. and finally, resolve. >> you stand here, and your heart, your mind, and your conscience tell you, never forget. never. and remain true to the country that remembers those who are not committed to live. >> jaochim gauck was welcomed by his israeli counterpart shimon peres, who spoke about their friendship that now binds the two states. jaochim gauck called for peace deal with the palestinians that addresses palestinian concerns but he also affirmed germany's role. >> the commitment to israel's security and its right to exist is a determining factor of german policy. israel should live in peace within secure borders. >> jaochim gauck also said he understood israel's circumspect attitude towards the people in the arab world, as it is still far from clear that democracy and resp

nominate a copy at the ankles i need to speak you know said in order to sign is profiting from the holocaust just like the industry that you criticize and using the memory of his parents to profit off the one who has basically was when you think about him well. it's a strange way to profit to lose your job and be thrown into exile in a place where you. don't want to be after fifty years of living in new york it's an odd sort of profiteering end up living in chicago and. losing my job i can say i was a happy household my mother she always tries to derive lessons from what she experienced she's always analyzing what happened. she thought that you know in the thames you saw the secret of human nature there was another disco song which you all know i will survive and i will survive is about the one man whose boyfriend you know dumps her with leaves her and she's. some violence my mother love the song she didn't know the lyrics she just knew the referring and the referring her was the war. so. why are you going. with your. last night i spent several hours several unpleasant hours reading and rere

i just think the holocaust should be used as a beacon to show what hatred and intolerance and all those things which have led to so much pain all over the world is capable. >> woodruff: people read your story or they hear your story, and they want to know what gave you the strength to survive when so many others didn't, that terrible experience? >> i do believe that it is 95% of luck, to be at the right moment at the right time. when selection came, "you, you, you." furthermore, i also had a good and healthy stiewrkz and the will to live is extremely strong. i mean, i've just gone through quite a bit of illness. i'm going to be 88 years old, and i was in the hospital with people who were over 90, and the will to live is still strong. . >> i think it's very magical, life, and particularly if you were as young-- we were all in our early 20s when happened, not quite 20-- the will to live pushes you on. >> woodruff: so you're now, what, it's 62 years later, you are a very young 87. what's kept you going? >> what kept me going is what kept everyone else going-- the hope that when it's all ov

let them off and get it in the his fame has come from one of his books about the holocaust and other books involved in the israel palestine conflict. and strategic gannett the month is out when you visited lebanon meetings are a scandal for you. with various political leaders and some i has been leader there is a fundamental principle people have the right to defend their country from foreign occupiers and people have the right to defend their country from invaders who are destroying their country and that to me is a very very sick elementary and uncomplicated question. look who's not in the same classes as bala you know it's not a position to lob missiles on northern israel make a third of the country and happen support. he's not a clear and present danger in the way that hamas is what he like him and naples of terrorism. people who are creating a climate. incremental in which. israel's legitimacy is no longer considered axiomatic in which violence against civilians is no longer axiomatic that. it's more more of a qualitatively more than the usual this content of perth and feels with

empathy for those who survived the holocaust i have. talked about it here in the knesset and i see it but i anticipate from the jewish people who suffered a lot in europe as a victim too ill to have empathy for the suffer of victims victim we are the victims of the israelis from one hundred forty eight up to the many people say that the holocaust was needed to establish the state of israel how thing to rican solve the holocaust with the mark that followed are you do believe that we can find the mid-point in order to meet. then measure the historical compromise should be two state solution it is only twenty two percent of historical palestine but yet it is a prime minister netanyahu and the right wing in israel which is the mainstream are refusing to this historical compromise and they are proposing banta stance there will be no compromise unless they will be ended with the palestinian state in one nine hundred sixty seven occupied territories do you think that empathy will come from the netanyahu government especially now that he has for

many people say that the holocaust was needed to establish the state of israel how then do you we can solve the holocaust with the knock that followed are you do believe that we can find the mid-point in order to meet. the measure the historical compromise should be two state solution it is only twenty two percent of historical palestine but yet it is a prime minister netanyahu and the right wing in israel which is the mainstream are refusing to this historical compromise and they are proposing bantu stands there will be no compromise unless there will be independent palestinian state in one thousand nine hundred fifty seven occupied territories do you think that empathy will come from the netanyahu government especially now that he has formed a coalition government giving him a safe majority and making him potentially the most powerful prime minister in israel's history no i am not naive there will be no change in their policy of the israeli government even after i've got in to the coalition they tell me a whole is leading this government he did and he decided about it there is avail

what do you say to people who deny that the holocaust ever happened from somebody who saw it personally? >> this is what i tell them in no uncertain terms, it was there. it was there. just as this gentleman said, the german people denied it. the villages that lived around the camp said they never saw it, they don't know about it, but our company commander winters said, well, i don't believe you because you're going to come in here, you're going to clean it up. you're going to get these bodies and put them where they can be buried properly. and it was mighty hot. nobody gave them any mask or any kind of medical coverage for their faces. but when they come in to do the job of moving their own people, their own people in the camp, the jewish people were laying there, the ones that were there -- which i want to tell you also, the movie version is quite a little bit different. we couldn't get near them, we couldn't hug them, we couldn't -- they wanted to, and it was a sad, sad thing. and i remember one jewish fellow, very thin -- they were all very thin. i remember him trying to talk in engl

books you were reading, what you know about the holocaust, what you know about auschwitz. in general, the former chancellor of germany, helmut kohl, on the 50th anniversary of the liberation of auschwitz, said auschwitz is the darkest chapter in german history. it is even for me, for one that was living in auschwitz, living -- living in auschwitz. existing in auschwitz. it's impossible to describe. even if you'll give me the rest of the evening. of what a death camp -- you must remember, auschwitz was not only a concentration camp. it was a death camp. auschwitz was one of six death camps in poland. where when i was there in 1944 what was called the busiest time, 10,000 people -- please. 10 -- we're talking about 10,000 human beings were being gassed, cremated, in auschwitz every day. transports were arriving from all over europe. men, women, children, babies. the ones like myself that were picked out from my transport to place for slave labor for work, some were thinking and talking out loud, not knowing who is better off, their relatives, their friends who were sent this

. >> jon: you found out your parents were jewishs and a lot of your family had perished in the holocaustin the raised that. >> i did not know that i was raised a catholic and became an episcopalian when i was married. somebody sent me a letter with names and villages. when i was vetted the lawyer said tell us something about you that weapon haven't asked that you think you ought to know i said well it's perfectly logical that i'm of jewish background. they said so what our president is not antisemitic. it's one thing to find out you are jewish which i thought was fas naight and pleased to know about the complexity of my background but another to find out more than two dozen of my relatives died in the holocaust. >> jon: that's the part that you begin to -- i imagine a complex feeling of almost guilt things you didn't know difficult to work through. >> i must say people want to know how come i smart person i was supposed toç be had never thought about this. if you never know there's something about you -- there was no reason to ask. so i'm really very -- i never had a chance to ask my pa

well, of course, everyone is familiar with the holocaust, but the history of the jews is just enormous irony and suffering, and it's just overwhelming. but to come back here quickly to the situation, the zionist movement, as dr. lorberbaum says, you know, starts roughly around 1897 and works in many different facets. the one most interesting, i think, is there was a strong group that wanted no part of israel, particularly- "let's just get some land!" and they were looking in africa and other places, south america. what happens, though, is with lots of complex pressures- the holocaust, the end of world war ii, political struggles all over the world, and struggles on the part of the people already in israel, the jews- well, we get a state in 1948. now the struggle continues. i love dr. lorberbaum's word- "well, the argument continues." well, you know, there's a lot of bullets and blood and bombs flying through this argument. but what we experienced, to whisk it up to the present- we had the '67 war, you know, the war in the early '70s- to whisk it into the present, what we find is it com

when i first came to this country, speaking about the holocaust was a no-no. nobody wanted to know. nobody wanted to hear. escially the older generations. if you want to know why, i can give youy opinion. because the older generation, especially the leaders i communities would have been asked right away what did you do during the war? where were you? did you speak out? did you write in the papers? did you put pressure on the government to do something about it? and so they didn't speak about it. the younger people now want to know. weave requests from schools in the entire area. i will be eaking next week in three places before we go to europe. in three schools. two schools and one lawyer's office. people want to know. the young people want to know. and so it is o obligation to tell them, to teach them, and to let them know because in the future, they are the future. you see when you speak to young people in school, they will go home to their parents and tell them what they heard in school today that this survivor came to school and they spoke about his experience, his life in e conc

if we want to see a world where the tragedies of world war ii and especially the holocaust should never happen again, we must teach the young people, the future leaders of the world, the next generation to remember to speak about it and to know what happened. i've been speaking about this for the past 60 years. i've been invited several times to come to germany and speak there, invited by the german government, to speak there in the high schools. we are going out next week on a special trip to poland and to germany to make a documentary, which most of it will be distributed to schools for the students to learn of what we saw, what happened, and so they can remember. and i want to tell you this. when i first came to this country, speaking about the holocaust was a no-no. nobody wanted to know. nobody wanted to hear. especially the older generations. if you want to know why, i can give you my opinion. because the older generation, especially the leaders in communities would have been asked right away what did you do during the war? where were you? did you speak out? did you write in the p

coming up, i'll ask him what he discovered about one of the most famous voices of the holocaust. >>> good morning, everyone. i'm randi kaye. it is 7:00 on the east co-, 4:00 out west. let's fill you in on what might have been missed overnight while you were sleeping. well, we start with the action in chicago as the leaders of the nato nations prepare to meet today. for several days now protesters have crowded the streets of downtown, but what is expected to be the biggest demonstration of all is scheduled to start just a little later on this morning in the grant park area. it is billed as a major anti-war protest. the war in afghanistan, of course, is going to be front and center on the agenda for president obama and the other nato leaders. police say there were only a handful of arrests during protests yesterday, even though things got pretty tense at times. >> look, look, look. come on. come on. shoot. roll, roll. listen, this is -- things are changing a lot here. this had been a very peaceful march for a long time, and then this policeman tried to come through. knocked a person dow

the holocaust and i or the holocaust victim are equal. the hit-and-run driver and hit-and-run victim will each get equal time and be viewed in the same way. that's what happened with our politics. the message that has gone out to voters is everybody is to blame. no wonder the approval rating of congress is at 9% or thereabouts, but doesn't give people a sense of which party is the outliar with a sense of when to rein them in. we have a media culpable, they have a value that doesn't focus on actually reporting where one side or one individual is more to blame than others. >> i think norm is exactly ri t right. we have enormous respect for serious journalism. a lot of people tried to the best job they can. but it becomes very difficult if you're main objective is to avoid being charged with partisan bias. there's groups out there watching every move and will jump on you. the effect is not to get the underlying reality to the citizens who are the only ones who can displain behavior proving to be destructive. we need some serious conversation

the goolog, the holocaust. we didn't intervene in time to stop the holocaust. what we know about stalin retrospectively, mao, we didn't intervene. and i think one of the answers to david's question about why the david donald generation was looking for compromise, that was the policy of the 1940s and 1950s. it was a containment policy. we chose maybe we didn't have the power, we chose not to intervene in horrors, a higher scale, lower scale but horrors that were perpetrated against millions of people, we chose not to intervene because we believed that actually by the full containment they would eventually be eradicated. that's what lincoln believed in the 1850s. containment would lead to the end of slavery. now, that's not how it worked out. so it turns out we could say he was wrong, well, he was wrong sort of but right sort of because the containment policy drove the country to civil war and that unleashed the power that brought slavery to an end. i'm just a little uneasy saying in retrospect it was clear that military action was the only option, and that all t

the holocaust. we didn't intervene in time to stop the holocaust. what we know about stalin retrospective, we didn't intervene. that was the policy of the 1940s and the 1950s, it was a containment policy of the we chose, maybe because we didn't have the power, we chose not to intervene in horrors -- higher scale, lower scale -- but horrors that were being perpetrated on millions of people. we chose wanot to intervene because we believed they would eventually beie rad indicat era. that's what lincoln believed. that's not how it turned out. he was wrong sort of, but he was right sort of because the containment policy drove the country to civil war and that unleashed the power that brought slavery to an end. i'm just a little uneasy about saying in retrospect it was clear that military action was the only option and that all the times we've refrained from it ever since have been okay. >> and the fact that american slavery was indeed in the end bludgeoned out of existence by great violence, of course, as with all these legacielegacies. let me move, thou

and the president goes to the holocaust museum and said he is sets up on atrocities provengs board. i'm not making that up. instead of standing up for the people in syria who are massacred, slaughter, tortured, rape. i had was in southern turkey and saw these. >> you think we should did arming -- >> absolutely. absolutely. it's an unfair fight. the russians have arms. the they are on the ground. how can we sit back and watch this slaughter go on? the president of the united states is totally silent and goes to the holocaust museum where they say to him, why don't we do something about syria if it's never again? he goes to the holocaust museum and makes that comment. if i sound emotional, it's because i have gone to the reggie camp, i saw the 25,000 who had to leave their homes and go to reggie camps and this administration is silent. this leading from behind is not going to work, my friend. >> is there not -- do you have not have any concern -- there are reports that some of the rebels in syria are affiliated with al qaeda, are extremists. are you not concerned that arming the groups

and as an immigrant herself -- the granddaughter of holocaust victims who fled her native czechoslovakiaild -- madeleine brought a unique perspective to the job. this is one of my favorite stories. once, at a naturalization ceremony, an ethiopian man came up to her and said, "only in america can a refugee meet the secretary of state." and she replied, "only in america can a refugee become the secretary of state." we're extraordinarily honored to have madeleine here. and obviously, i think it's fair to say i speak for one of your successors who is so appreciative of the work you did and the path that you laid. it was a scorching hot day in 1963, and mississippi was on the verge of a massacre. the funeral procession for medgar evers had just disbanded, and a group of marchers was throwing rocks at a line of equally defiant and heavily-armed policemen. and suddenly, a white man in shirtsleeves, hands raised, walked towards the protestors and talked them into going home peacefully. and that man was john doar. he was the face of the justice department in the south. he was proof that the feder

the holocaust figures in the work of many students. >> i feel like i am the bridge between the old generation and the very new generation who were born about the time that the wall fell and feel completely happy. they like the low rent. >> to most of hisdes me berlin f f the pt so i from >>diomy. hr' o o wesi - y'r bing,hoanran an. now that makes

the holocaust figures in the work of many students. >> i feel like i am the bridge between the old generation and the very new generation who were born about the time that the wall fell and feel completely happy. they like the low rent. >> to most of his students come up berlin is germany. -- to most of his students, berlin is germany. >> there seem to be endless possibilities. there is true freedom. >> israelis are generally very conscious of the past when they are in berlin. >> i do not want to be judged by the actions of my parents, so i do not judge determines that white. i would like to -- i do not judge it germans that way. they grow up with a sense of guilt. >> israeli writers in berlin also want germans to know about their culture. >> it is this moment in the history of the relationship between east two nation's. getting to know each other from a place where you can really talk. learning about each other. >> thousands of young israelis go back and forth each year from berlin to there homeland. it is a form of cultural diplomacy. >> that is all for now. thank you for watching. we will

"band of brothers: normandy to the holocaust." pay attention to the screen above as we dim the lights and you learn who will be here tonight and the incredible stories that they have to share. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> okay. that, by the way, is a shot of overlooking omaha beach in normandy. it looks a little more peaceful than it did on june 6th, 1944. so i thank my editor and photographer, jim karpachek for putting that together. time now to meet the boys. wow. the boys. it's going to be a fun night. so if you like to laugh and learn about history, then these are the guys that you want to hear it from. so i'm going to open up the magic door and see if the wizard is ready. babe went to the bathroom. [ laughter ] we will move on. he played joe liebgott in "band of brothers" and was recently seen in the popular tv show "white collar." direct from montreal, where he is on leave from the movie set. from the great country of scotland, where they all talk funny, mr. ross mccall. [ applause ] he plays frank percante in "band of brothers." in his y

the relatives lost in the holocaust and illness. a permanent sense of anxiety. >> talking about a certain moment in childhood. >> he worked at a toy shop, but his love was drawing in he created children that were at times jealous, badly behaved, and real. >> he brings with him very powerful experiences. the of the migrant at that of the desolate child. we did not know you could do that until we saw he had been there. >> he was devoted to work. but this gave jewish artist always felt something of an outsider, a man that did not write his children -- did not write children's books, but told the truth about being a child. >> a quick update on our top story before we go, officials have confirmed that the would-be bombers tried to work -- that was actually working for the cia all along. from all of us here at world as america, thank you for watching. >> make sense of international news at bbc.com/news. >> funding was made possible by -- the freeman foundation of new york, stowe, vermont, and honolulu, newman's own foundation, and union b

who survived the holocaust. talked about the. indignities and i see. from the jewish people. in europe as a victim. to have empathy for the sufferer victims victim. watch the full interview with israeli arab t.v. in just over an hour here on r.t. . taking you around the world for more of this hour's. every port has emerged blaming nato for dozens of civilian killings during last year's military campaign in libya human rights watch in new york says the alliance downplayed the deaths and needs to be held accountable nato has refuted the claims saying its campaign was conducted with on the president of care and precision member states made for a summit in chicago later this week. u.s. congressman ron paul is suspending his active campaign former white house he's not won any of the single state votes but he's not giving in instead he's plowing his resources into the national convention to win the republican nomination paul is the last main party challenger to mitt romney and the race to challenge president barack obama in november selection. some very weird weather in bosnia's ca