starting in 1933 it just seems like everything, the horros, all happened so quickly between '33 and after the war and, perhaps, before as well. i am wondering, is there any -- and this is for anyone in the panel. do you see any analogies, i guess the most important question is, do you see any analogies domestically in this country where something happens and the hair on the back of your neck stands up? not this again or not this type of person. has that ever happened? >> just to comment, i'm not sure everybody in the panel would agree, but anti-semitism was never limited to germany. never limited to germany. when we came to this country, i can remember being pushed off sidewalks, having locks thrown at me, having been called a duty jewish bastard. this went on all the way through the late '40's easily. so, you know, in a certain sense there was obviously, hitler was a unique factor, but there was for at least the people i grew up with an awareness of the problems that existed which existed for a long time. some of which strangely enough was a nostalgic for germany. many of the refugees we