going back to the evolution of the idea that this i guess is an example of the evolution is an idea in which the way the rut is still significant when he was up for his confirmation hearing he faced the whole barrage of questions about his relationship with ehrlich and did he believe that climate change is going to lead to billions of people dying within the next five, ten, 15 years and backed away from those kind of predictions saying it was less conclusive and a little bit uncertain about what was likely to happen. >> host: the other person in here that had a role in obama's administration is larry summers who is on the short list i believe and obviously is mentioned very briefly. basically he seems to be on assignment's side of thing and talks about the limit of growth and how the kind of model for those are bologna. in my reading that right? >> guest: fun in the relationship of julian simon and the economics, and then went further than many economists in the claims that he talked about population growth and we have more people that can be living why is, but his basic critique of th

the day would have supported. sulfur dioxide trading as a public idea. know people on the hill would say the waxman-markey bill corrupted the market in ways and that is why they opposed that legislation but would simon have a standing mayor to pricing carbon is a solution to this problem? >> guest: well i think simon if he were alive today would probably have a different view of simon even in the early 90s when he is skeptical of the climate science and certainly about the level of alarm that many environmental scientists were expressing but i think today he liked many conservatives might have changed and evolved in his attitude towards the science. he was a man who is focused on data. he was interested in data and facts and i think you might change. say were -- say that were the case but i think he might offense quite skeptical of the cap-and-trade don't as a structure for addressing the cost of carbon but he like many other economists may well offend favorable to the idea of taxation which most economists would lean. >> host: a flat tax. >> guest: a tax

idea what they were like. we call her one too many. >> all right. nowlet take the other idea one of the other ideas. is book, by the way, is magnificently rich with ideas. you can go in all kind of directions. but in the introduction you read, you talked about scientist as the servant of capitalism, and the language of numbers. the human being as product as code. and the strength of your romanticism is in language and poetry. let me read you something and ask you to comment on it along the same lines. all right this is the essay of george schneider. who was saying that the -- he's talking about the loss language that happened over the last, you know, fifty odd years with the incoming of the television media and internet. the true cat fee of babble is not scattering of tongue. it's the reduction of human speech to a handful of planetary, multinational tongues. an glow americans -- shaped by military tech karattic and the commercial read. which is the voice of money talking to money. in the voice that tony morrison when she accepted the nobel prize in 1993 denominated the language that drinks blood. ha

you are going back the evolution of holdridge's ideas. is is an example of evolution and the way they are still significant. when he was up for his confirmation hearing, he faced a whole barrage of questions about his past predictions in relationship with ehrlich and did he still believe climate change is going to lead to billions of people dying as a result of the next five, 10, 15 years. he backed away from the specific kinds of predictions and saying that he was less inclusive and a little bit more uncertain what was likely to happen. >> host: obviously the other person in here that had a role in obama's administration is larry summers, who was also on the shortlist i believe for fed chairman. obviously, this mention very briefly, that basically he seems to be on symons said of things, talking about the limits of growth and how kind of a model used was kind of baloney. in i reading that right? >> guest: i think that it's interesting to talk about the relationship of julian simon to more mainstream economics and economists. simon went fu

of the idea they will protect sup part of the trans siberian railroad to get a to the anti-bolsheviks' a and as they could overthrow them to do reach. >>host: whose idea was that? >>guest: the allies are pressuring wilson to do this because they were scared. >>host: they were specifically asking the wilson government to go into russia? >>guest: right. with there was a difference of philosophy because they thought of the massive invasion of russia especially with the japanese troops because japan was the only ally that was not engaged on the western front they thought they could go petra and siberian railway to russia but that was not wilson's idea at all. he said hist the russians will just rise up against that. especially 14 years earlier. the last thing they want is a foreign army to go in there going right into the hands of germany so his idea was a little different that he wanted the troops to keep a low profile, and added dave army and so his

so the share different ideas. and perhaps that is a part of the explanation because they are unable to provide any ideological counterpart to the islamists. but for them there is no other option but the military. the only people that have come out against what is going on in egypt have been the resignation and the previous parliamentarian and his articles in the newspaper to be outside of that there have been very few places that have rejected this by an area choice between the islamism or the brotherhood and the military. so generally speaking i think it is overwhelming support. >> what would have to transform this broad support for the military action into an effective civilian government that may eventually evolve into an elected government. how does that transformation to place? >> it depends on whether they want to or not. the big question is you have removed the president from the muslim brotherhood from power. does anyone actually think you are going to allow them to win any evil actions anytime soon? of cou

so going against the very idea is of people that were advocating we should apply the ingenuity to adapt and adjust to the planet around us but if we don't recognize that we cannot apply our ideas are innovations. >> host: you mentioned in the rat that is great around the issue but paul erlich is still living but who are they of today? you mention en out for but even in al gore seems to not have been out there as he has in the past. is there a contemporary counterpart tod3 is there a contemporary counterpart today representing their respective arguments? >> guest: with specific people? >> host: i thought of he and sen on the paul erlich side as a scientist with this portion of the book that paul erlich says you need to call people out. >> guest:. >> host. >> guest: does take on some of his role as the process but he does differ and has made assertions i guess the paul erlich of today's says the nation will collapse in billions of people are about to die a and this is imminent and to house civilization will adapt a and change but on the other side one of the more prominent people like tha

for us, the idea of american government, the very idea of government is to limit the power of the states, and our freedoms, as much as anything else, our freedoms from government, from the abusive power of the state, but sam explains brilliantly that in egypt, freedom, liberalism, independence, actually springs from the state itself. the state is the giver, the fount of education, of opportunity, of rights, of sorts, and perhaps this harkens back to ali, perhaps it harkens back to whatever, but it's a very different source of political day namics than what we are used to here, and if you believe that the state is the source, the giver of rights, the protecter of liberties, then empowering the states and empowering the strongest arm of the state, namely the military, is sort of the height of what it means to be, in this context, liberal because the state is the source of freedom. it turns on its head the way we understand is it america, but it makes perfect sense the way sam explained the egyptian dynamic. by smort supporting the supremacy of the state against provocateurs and terrorists

the problem with the three ideas when you have such an empire. if it was designed to -- everybody every component of the empire would have something that would draw them to it, attracted to it. they actually gave everybody something to fear. over half of the population of the ottoman empire wasn't turkish, so the idea of the kind of rise of turkish nationalism wasn't going to have any appeal to the arab population. renaissance of islam also very frightening to the christians and catholics. most significantly for this story of bringing the ottoman empire to the 20th century was equal to conservative elements that basically wanted the region to stay in the 14th century. specific with this was the -- eastbound i i don't think it's on the map. his name was -- in 1913 as the out man -- ottoman continually tried to bring him in to line, he sent his son. he had four sons and he sent one to cairo where he met with the british governor general, at the time a man named cicher in who will come up in a minute. and he asked kitchner if they would do if they we

the idea of one that did appeal to me was an exciting challenge. "star wars" it was something i loved so much as a kid i went into the meeting knowing i was going to say no. producer it was so surreal to be involved in that world. i ran downstairs to my wife katie after the meeting and said, i knew i was going to say no, but that was a really compelling meeting. kelly is like, oh, god. it is like casting a role in a , or meeting the person you know you should be with for the rest of your life. you can talk about it forever, and you can try to quantify, but the truth is when you walk into that restaurant and see that person, it hit you. that's the person. it's hard to know what those qualities are. i have a number of questions about "star trek," but how is it you acknowledged you are not a big fan of the franchise, yet you did something that fans apparently loved? >> part of it is i had an amazing cast, incredible writers. huge fan.a i became a fan getting to work on it. those are wonderful characters and incredible relationships. the funny thing is

besides the opportunity to take a lot of ideas on it. and all of the space i used is quite important and kind of most of the time we are presented this ideal space. and this was something totally different and this exhibition, i showed the work together with other works which were quite solid. and this exhibition, only the cloud exists in the form of the catalog. and in the exhibition it is gone. but, i make the clouds with the combination of smoke and (inaudible) and as we space it works different. it is more industrial space. and also, here it is like a better situation than like an art typical cloud, almost. but, boy, to do and on my research on how to make that, i run into this material called aro gel. and it is calls frozen smoke and it consists of 99.8 percent of air and the lightest solid material on earth and i used it for collect interstellar dust and it has a beautiful shine and you could look right through it. and so what i did is i put it on small models of exhibition sprays and it shows the same idea and you don't basically e

i threw out the idea that at the china town campus at city college, they have a new multiuse facility and thes lead certificated and state of the art, meeting rooms and i happened to bump into the president of the city college board and i mentioned that potential that i was going to float the idea about maybe doing it there in the community, supporting city college, and around the event and it is an open meeting so potential for the community that we want to partner with to engage and so it could be another chance to do some commission business out in the community. >> all right, public comment on this discussion? >> mr. brooks? >> good evening, again, commissioners, sorry but commissioner wald opened up the possibility to comment on this and so i am going to take the opportunity because it is important when you raised the issue of clean power sf i was glad to hear that and i i would add to that to explore what the staff for the staff to work and not only with the sfpuc and the board of supervisors but specifically with the local agency formation commission in san francisco. the reaso

the idea of a prophylactic war or a strike against iran -- i mean, we do not send force. send young men and women. if we do that, if the same people want to debate that, let's debate that openly, in the congress and in the country. we have to strike against iran -- we have to neutralize iran, i do not know how that is going to be done. >> what you all are talking about is a domino effect of escalation, and the question is very important -- do we have the capability to police the world? we are spread very thin. we are coming out of two wars. can we handle this? >> well, we solve that problem. the 50 anniversary of the march on washington. >> we must never, ever give up, never, ever give in, and we must keep the faith, and keep our eyes on the prize. >> that a scotsman john lewis, the only surviving speaker from the the 1963 march on washington, the one speaker on that day the white house was most worried about. >> most worried about, because john lewis, as he candidly said in an interview on "the news hour" had a line in there about how if the civil rights act did not pass

obviously the idea of trying to criminalize investigative journalism, the idea that if you have classified information that you're responsibly reported on that means you can be detained under terrorism statutes or even declared a criminal is exactly what jefferson was warning about. of course the u.s. and the u.k. governments are furious. not that we're exposing things that harm national security, because we haven't, that we're exposing things that harm their

that's the idea. the problem is, it's just not true, that there's always been vast inequalities, great inequalities of wealth and social status ever since the founding, even before the founding of this country. the tax revolt in boston tea party was basically a revolt by upper-middle-class people who were protecting their financial interests. so it's just not true. the perception that we are a middle-class nation which is a term used a lot or that we are a classless society, is mythology. it just isn't true. upper mobility by the way. a lot of people believe you can rise through the ranks. you can but it's unusual if you look at the data. this is i think reflective of our hatred of other kinds of government. aristocracies monarchy, and socialist communist state. if we are all middle-class it means our democracy is working but it's this myth we share to sort of think of ourselves as better than other countries politically. this is not new. there's always been strong feelings attached to the middle-class

of the or the minutes on the policy committee, so with your permission, should i just read what the ideas we came up with? >> sure. >> strategies for advancing the city's green purchasing goals. there brooks, like this, working with the puc on the department's role in forwarding the sf green power program. and identifying actions for reaching 100 percent zero waste deversion goals. updating or creating a new sustainability plan. bottled water and the department's bio diversity program and establishing performance metrics for specific programs to better evaluate their effectiveness. and updating the climate action strategy. and insuring that large development and construction projects in the city meet the department's and the city's sustainability goals. requirements of and enforcement of the healthy air and clean transportation ordinance. hacto, the effect that it would have on the city's fleet. and creating centralized shared, city fleet and tracking the city vehicle usage. and we prioritize the mayor's task force report. and establishing other city department allieas a way to create mor

see the idea? that maybe--i was told one time, for example, that with these devices, one could put a couple of liters of gasoline in your car and drive from boston, massachusetts, to san francisco in a couple of liters. but the oil companies won't let you do it, so you have to burn a couple of barrels or something like that. well, how about that, gang? is there any-- are there any rules that govern this sort of thing? answer begin with a y. yes. try it. ends with a p. try it. yup, there is. and that's the energy conservation and let's talk about that right here, okay? we're gonna push the car across country. it's gonna take energy to do that. it's gonna take energy to do work on the car. and that work is the force times the distance that we're pushing the car. now, what's the force that keeps a car going even in a straight road? what's the car? what's the force? it's the force against friction. and for a very streamline car, that force can be something like a thousand newtons, a thousand newtons at

i think it was in 6768, he get the green light to go ahead with this idea. he named it s.w.a.t. the original acronym was special weapons assault team. someone at lapd said that is normally not get an idea to have a sultan the teams of the chases special weapons and tactics. there are couple early race that were very high profile. the very first one was on a black panther all that and l.a. that ended up being televised on state tv or city tv. the second was a few years later . that one thrust the s.w.a.t. concept into popular culture. everyone had been following. they kidnapped this newspaper heiress. a tabloid news story of the day. and the fbi and then it al qaeda -- lapd cornered them at this building as the los angeles. all sorts of issues there. you can go to youtube and find video of reporters ducking under cars while they're reporting on a shed that was going on. and it really kind of pushed swap into the popular culture. euros you had taken on this domestic terrorist groups. so we did in 1975 a tv show produced by aaron spelling, which i highly recomme

the idea of having someone doing local purchases and menu planning. for example if we go with the warehouse option which we are suggesting in renting. we don't have to worry about health

the fact. you lost 4,700 jobs in july. texas created 18,200. so this idea -- >> and in august, we created 9,700. >> there's a real disconnect here about the story that's gone on that we're hearing at this table and what the facts are. everybody in this country understands that there's something really fascinating going on in the state of texas and it's been going on for some time. how in the world would you -- what's the reasoning that you would give if the story that you're painting, stephanie, is even close to true, why would facebook, ebay, those major technology companies move to the state of texas if it was such a dark and ominous place -- >> i think governor o'malley wants to answer. >> it's great that you have those companies in texas. we have great companies in maryland. and they're great companies. but the fact of the matter is we have the number one median income in the country. you have the 25th median income. your state is tied for last place, along with mississippi now, in the percentage of your people who work in minimum or less than minimum w

the fancy food show. he saw her. his bright idea, a full line of seed oils. >> spicy, that's got a kick. >> reporter: the rising star, cherry seed oil. >> it was a risk, unusual. >> reporter: after it hit the market in january, they called it a hot trend for summer. the cherry seed oil was named an award finalist, specialty outstanding food invasion. >> this is the oscars of the food industry, like being nominated for best actor and picture. >> reporter: it's a big deal because it can lead to big deals. there is a consensus of sorts on this. >> it's been validated by a whole bunch of retailer whose voted on it. >> it validates the product. >> just a great validation. >> it's really validating. >> and the award goes to l los chiliros. >> reporter: winning the award for best oil is the best publicity money can't buy and if there were an award for celebrating an award, d'anglo and johnson might win that, too. >> yay, we got it. >> reporter: and you already know what else they might be thinking. >> it validates what we believe and what

the idea is the union will become a political force in american politics.f members of traditional unions are not happy with -- >> why not? >> because it moves -- it undermines the central idea of a union which is to bargain for higher wages. and they don't like the idea they're going to be associated to this progressive club. some of them politically don't want to be associated with that. >> well, if you're with environmentalists and they kill the keystone pipeline, that kills thousands of union jobs. >> the labor union international is publicly opposed to aligning because they want to work on those pipelines. >> thank you all. we have to take one more break when we come back. hits and misses of the week. >>> time now for hits and misses of the week. first you today. >> paul, this is a hit to the fourth circuit court of appeals which ruled this week that liking a political candidate on facebook is constitutionally protected free speech under the first amendment. willi william traxler wrote a like is a political equivalent of putting a yard sign on your fron

keynes said it would be hard to get rid of the old ideas. the new ideas were easy. was in the general theory's preface. to be a keynesian in 1937, 1938 was to be not able to get a job in an american university. uh... one of my, uh, professors was talking at lunch, and we were talking about certain effects. and he said, "gee, that sounds very sensible. whose ideas are those?" and my friend said, "what do you mean? that's john maynard keynes. that's the general theory." the old professor said, "well, now, that's strange. "why is our department so against it if it's so sensible?" funeral by funeral, science makes progress. from cambridge to cambridge, the revolution marched and eventually conquered. keynesian economics swept american universities long before it became public policy in washington. roosevelt had a depression to fight. he had little time for theory. today, we can see that economics and the public policy it generates are fundamentally different because of john maynard keynes. professor gill, what was so revolutionary about keynesian economics? i think what

the misconception that i want to make sure that we correct here is the idea that the shell program, the shell contract is the program. it is not. the shell contract is 4%, less than 4% of the energy that will end up being provided under clean power sf after the next decade goes by. the shell contract is just priming the water pump, if you remember the old water pumps. and the idea here is that we need to use the renewable energy credits to make it cheap enough to compete with pg&e, to get that first small 30 megawatts out of the eventual hundreds of megawatts that we're going to build locally so that we can kick start the program successfully and still compete with pg&e. >> what was your type of concluding thought around? >>> so, here's the deal. ms. malcolm is getting us half of the goal. the thing that's going to get us to the green new deal and make sure that it happens right away is to show that the vision that you all saw from local power of about a billion dollar project over the next 10 years, that's what brings us the green new deal and the union jobs, so show that that can happ

the idea of depending on russia supporting any u.s. on, wouldn't that be tantamount to not doing anything? >> well, i don't think we're going to get any russian acquiescence or russian support, certainly not in the time frames we envision. but i think we need to give some reassurances to russians and elsewhere that we're going to be diplomatically engaged. i really think as heinous as this al-assad has been, i think we ought to avoid talking about simply disposing of him as the . i think we need to talk more about how the parties in syria need tongle them around a table they'll start throwing things at each other-- so what you do is try to get them around some ideas. you need to shop some ideas. in kosovo we had a contact group. in bosnia we had a contact group. those conflicts were not ones that were solved through military action, they were political plans in which military action was there to support. and what we don't here is any kind of political way forward except to say assad must go and i would argue that just saying assad must

the designer. so intelligent design is challenging that idea. in terms of design in many cases it's real, and the best explanation for that based upon what we know about the evidence we see in biology is an actual designing intelligence. purpose of intelligence behind process that gave rise to life. intelligent design a theological term? >> no, scientific, but it may have larger seek to find the logic implications. based on science, scientific evidence, and also an established method of scientific reasoning. i think one -- there was a debate here yesterday. both of the speakers said that one of the reason that history is so contentious is however you answer the question you're going to be giving an answer that has larger world you implications were challenging someone else's world view. you have to answer the question of what is called the primary reality, the mephitic -- metaphysical question. what is the process from which everything comes? the things we see around it arose as a result of an underacted, and get a material process and therefore

as the british parliament debated and then has voted down the idea of military intervention in syria right now the global community is waiting to see if the u.s. congress will follow suit and also continue in a spirited debate as obama has sent the idea of military intervention to congress. sean thomas there demonstrators all over the world have taken to the streets to speak out against an attack on syria protesters gathered in front of the white house after the bombers announcement and there were also crowds in new york even before the u.s. confirmed its plans for military action more than a thousand was seen in london chanting hands off syria in paris some held up signs saying president on land is a terrorist and then with david cameron and barack obama that sentiment was echoed in turkey as well and you see some of the latest pictures from there as well as footage from earlier protests britain's former first seen one security minister told us that the intervention could have foreseen consequences. the danger with saying we're going to use a limited surgical strike is all my experie

ideas that were expressed by the leaders of china they are the ideas that have been expressed in every country that has sought to go down the direction you're describing as it. was tyranny and misery now it was thirty years you had almost all of those younger than it was a long time ago but i think using the american phrase you are on the right side of history here because if you look around the world now i think we will find that it is primarily welfare states those countries that have integrated bold they all the ments of the capitalist system and some of the elements of a socialist system that are doing fairly well both economically and socially and i wonder if you fill like thomas history vindicated your personal views and most importantly if you feel that. capitalism in its purest form ass advocated by friedman. just as on sustainable ass socialism in its purest form well i think the problem with this argument of mental friedman was suffocating and problem with many of my friends in america both in the business world of the architect make world is that they still think that it. wo