sometimes you get up to 5000 applicants per month trying to get into the intelligence community. he acceptance rate is about 10%. it is difficult to get a job in the intelligence community. it is very prestigious when you do. they hire interesting people. information technology specialists, linguists, military people, mathematicians, video gamers for all of you who wonder what your child might want to do when they grow up. video gamers as well. area strategists, military people -- the u.s. has a huge advantage internationally because of the diversity of our population. we have a remarkable core of young people in our ranks. espionage is popular these days. they like it. they enjoy their jobs. that electronic generation that lives on social media makes it much easier to break down the silos. these people coming on cannot imagine why we keep things you're not sharing them there. their instinct is to share information and not to keep it within the solid confines of the traditional bureaucracy. when you see the difference, people as old as i am working and my perspective on the perspe

inbehalf of the americans the intelligence community, our anger is justified and we feel betrayed. ne of the best terms of intelligence that i love is the term a way forward. a standard process. whenever you have a problem and things go wrong all the time, this happened. it is a mess. this was a bad decision. this guy did not do his job. this thing should have been included. a huge mess. you have got to end it with a way forward. you do not have to wallow in who messed up. what is the way forward? we have got to stop licking wounds and get forward. what are we going to do about it? that is one of the best parts. enough analysis. what will be due? that is the way forward. a couple things about the way forward. we need an intelligence capacity with american leadership responsibilities. it is a unique time of american power in the world. our intelligence ought to be up to serving that opportunity in the u.s. ingredients of this capacity are there. they require competence. from there cooperation social media and our representatives and frankly, the communities. ibo who care what our int

change the focus of the intelligence community and the staff, how much turnover is there in the intelligenceommunity? guest: the intelligence community does not generally have political appointees except really at the very top. sort of the senate confirmed leaders, the director of national intelligence and the c.i.a. director are among the couple political appointees. so the vast majority of our intelligence enterprise are career civil servants or members of the u.s. armed forces that don't turn over when the white house flips from republican to democrat. i think the intelligence communities sort of creedo is that they are there to serve the commander in chief. they have duty to the congress, they have duty to the law and constitution and they try to fulfill those duties. i think they try to take direction from the president, certainly the c.i.a. does. and that's why they have such a cozy relationship through the years. and so i think that's sort of how they see what their mission is. host: let's go to brian waiting in tennessee on our line for democrats this morning. caller: good morning. m

the u.s. intelligence community is a large complex array of 16 intelligence agencies. people do not always realize this. who are they all? let me describe what this community is for. the largest are in the defense department. they are in the news a lot. the national space intelligence agency where i work for a couple of years i'd want to take pictures from the satellites. the defense intelligence agency. obviously, intelligence matters. and the national reconnaissance office that launches and manages the satellites. people think the satellites are just up there. no. you fly a satellite and determine where it will be here that is what the nro does. very valuable role. the fbi and the department of homeland security are both concerned with threats and terrorist organizations and other things that could threaten the u.s. the work with state and local governments. the treasury department is concerned with financial intelligence. you have the drug enforcement agency. the energy department, which is where my security concerns currently reside. it looks after nuclear matters a

we made clear that activity the nsa and the intelligence community engages in. the fact that they are bound by our laws and the oversight of three branches of government. we also know as i did the other day the steps that the president

collection program, a so-called 215, named after a section of the law that enumerates that the intelligence community can collect phone records from virtually every american and keep them for five years, at least that's how the intelligence community interpret today. obviously a lot of people disagree. with the controversy around edward snowden last year, the president finally in june making that speech, and the department of justice promising to look at it and today announcing his findings, he's going to end the metadata collection of phone records, and he's going to ask the phone companies to do it. he's not going to ask them to keep it for five years, but as long as they keep regular phone records now. and he's going to allow the intelligence community to come to this secret fisa cord to keep permission each and every time they want to investigate a particular phone number or chase a bad guy associated with that number, and we should add, del, that this is going to have to go through congress, and there are already competing proposals in congress, and it's by no means a done deal. >> both men meet

. >> the intelligence community is about stealing secrets from potential enemies. e are a lot of people invested in the cold war mentality of the cia, who do not think that we need to be sending spies on the ground into somalia to see how hunker and disease are becoming national security threats, but those are becoming things that could easily swamp some of the pre-existing threats that we have, including the cold war or terrorism. >> the cia has clearly been tasked with looking at the consequences of climate change, but not the causes. that is a political lightning rod and intelligence officials at large were working on this issue and were very clearly avoiding the political piece of it. >> there were people in congress who from the get go said they did not want to fund any of this because they did not believe in climate change. >> the intelligence committee because -- community became involved in environmental issues in the 1990's. >> they figured out that it would be a good idea to use these national security systems, mainly reconnaissance satellites, to systemat

the intelligence committee. what does this say about the support -- frankly, the entire intelligence community has had from the political leadership? >> 9/11, the intelligence community had a blank check in this country and it was cashed over and over again. the n.s.a., now the c.i.a. disclosurers or allegations. the presumption was anything that's necessary to be done to preserve national security to avoid another 9/11, okay, we kind of look the other way and maybe suspend civil liberties. i think that has run its course. i think there is a growing concern about privacy in this country, and when die nan dianne feinstein, who has been a staunch supporter, defender of the n.s.a., c.i.a., comes to the floor with a speech about whose wires are being tapped and it's her committee and she's outratched and the n.s.a. is barred from domestic intelligence gathering, so this is a real run comiewr between supporters of the secrecy and the intelligence agencies and one of its strongest democrats. >> woodruff: we should say the c.i.a. is denying what senator feinstein said. >> i was on the floor in the senate and people were amazed

the communities. thank goodness for intelligence affairs councils and people who care what our intelligence community are doing. we need informants and they can give their support or criticism to the intelligence community. it requires active support from the president of the united states. real serious delegations of the director of intelligence who should be empowered and required to manage strong media relations. the american public and our allies want to have and they want to believe in a professionally skilled intelligence community. we have an excellent community. it has come a long way and is changing rapidly. we can be proud of it. this is an outstanding group of men and women who have served an exemplary fashion. all i can say is you are on the inside, you are proud to be there. we are making progress. we demand a lot. we have benefited enormously from the american population. they operate without being known in what they do. their families often have no idea what they do or how the ark into bidding to our well-being. i come back to strategic focus. follow those two and we will be in great sh

the u.s. intelligence community knew about russia's military plans and when. for a review, saying officials seemed to be caught off guard by the invasion, but the head of the defense intelligence agency told npr that wasn't the case. >> i think for easily seven to ten days leading up to the russian troops as we see them now in crimea, we were providing very solid reporting on what i would describe as just strategic warning, where we move from one level of sort of a condition of warning, which i would just describe to the aud yuns as sort of moderate, to where we believe things are imminent. >> so, how do you respond then to lawmakers and others who said that the intelligence community was caught off guard? >> i think the evidence if you will, is looked at, the results will show there was good, strategic warning provided to our decision makers. >> i'm joined by eli lake, a senior national security correspondent for the daily beast. this week, you spoke to congressman mike rodgers, who is kaug calling for a review of u.s. intelligence. where does this contradict

you never know if it's going to actually happen. >> if the intelligence community misread it, that's ificant. i remember the first gulf war, when the intelligence community didn't appreciate saddam hussein was about to invade kuwait, they misread his deployment of troops in 2008, in georgia. did the u.s. intelligence community anticipate russia would move troops into georgia? >> well, i would just say that the scenario for what happened in august 2008 had been thought about before. whether they realized it was going to happen at that time, i don't know. i wasn't in the government then. but again, people have thought about these eventuallitieevent. >> angela, thanks very much for coming in. angela stent, always helping us in understanding russia and ukraine. just ahead this hour, why didn't the u.s. know about putin's intentions in ukraine before it reached a crisis point? is that true? and as we just mentioned, it's a question some members of congress want answered. >>> we have some tense moments today up on capitol hill. you're going to see the extreme. stand by for that. >>> and up

he criticized the mystic surveillance by the intelligence community and he called for accretion of independent committee to oversee intelligence gathering. this comes in the wake of allegations by senate intelligence committee chair dianne feinstein that the cia may have searched computers used by her committee. after his speech, senator paul set down for a question-and-answer session on this and other topics, including a possible presidential run in 2016. this is about 40 minutes. >> ♪ ♪ great to be here, berkeley. thank you to the berkeley forum for inviting me. you may be a republican or democrat or libertarian. i am not here to tell you what to be. i am here to tell you though, that your rights, especially a right to privacy, is under assault. i'm here to tell you that if you own a cell phone, you are under surveillance. i am here to tell you that the nsa believes that equal protection means that americans should be spied upon equally, including congress. instead of equal protection to them, is equal disdain. they don't care if you are white or black or brown, they care only that everyone

the 9/11 attack and what many people have characterized as torture and have claimed by the intelligence communityleast effective in getting information from the terrorists who were in prison. apparently the report that's going to be coming up by senate intelligence is going to just really rip that apart, and there's been this big effort to try and stop that, and the cia is accused with some just fiction over the years of trying to block public accountability for its conduct. >> we'll see how this shakes out. thank you, bob. we appreciate your insight. >> well, thank you. >> have a fwood one. >>> coming up, bill and brian will be here for first buzz to talk about the five second rule. is it real, or just an urban myth? that's next. it's a growing trend in business: do more with less with less energy. hp is helping ups do just that. soon, the world's most intelligent servers, designed by hp, will give ups over twice the performance, using forty percent less energy. multiply that across over a thousand locations, and they'll provide the same benefit to the environment as over 60,000 trees. that's a

in the aftermath, both the inr and intelligence community knew in the day of the attack that it was not a spontaneous demonstration that had turned violent. how do you believe the inr provides relevant intelligence to the agency process, the decision-makers, etc. what is the role that you see with that moving forward? >> the primary role is to provide an understanding for the context in which we are operating abroad. and to make sure that policymakers and certain elements within the department have access to intelligence information that could affect the safety and security of our mission and personnel overseas. this is one of the things, if i am confirmed, i want to make sure we have done right in terms of making sure they have accessed everything that they need and that we are providing the broader contextual understanding of what is going on. >> my second question is more policy related. we had a statement a few days ago from the israeli defense minister about his belief and concerns that the iranians are using their embassies to build a terrorist infrastructure. there is a published

in the aftermath, both the inr and intelligence community knew in the day of the attack that it was not a spontaneous demonstration that had turned violent. how do you believe the inr provides relevant intelligence to the agency process, the decision-makers, etc. what is the role that you see with that moving forward? the primary role is to provide an understanding for the context in which we are operating abroad. and to make sure that policymakers and certain elements within the department have access to intelligence information that could affect the safety and security of our mission and personnel overseas. this is one of the things, if i am confirmed, i want to make sure we have done right in terms of making sure they have accessed everything that they need and that we are providing the broader contextual understanding of what is going on. >> my second question is more policy related. we had a statement a few days ago from the israeli defense minister about his belief and areerns that the iranians using their embassies to build a terrorist infrastructure. there is a published congres

but we let the intelligence community get away with murder. u have the dni committee perjury, lying before the senate. and it just goes away. you know happens if you steal a ham from the grocery store? you get prosecuted. you know what happens if the cia does domestic spying on the senate? she asks for an apology. >> part of me thinking senator feinstein wants to attack leon panetta. >> she wants the panetta documents released. >> this is an administration launched after president obama takes office. controlled by a democratically-appointed cia director. and the staff, the senate staffers are democrats who are writing this one-sided report. i will defend the intelligence community against a bunch of senators and their staffs. and i will defend the interrogation program that -- >> first of all, bill, it's not an interrogation program. it's torture. second of all, senator feinstein has been a defender of the intelligence community. she says without intelligence oversight -- she says without overtight, there is a secret democracy. we now have two

official tells cnn that the intelligence community has now increased its focus on those in the cockpit. we also know the last communication from the cockpit. someone saying, all right, good night. it came after some of the plane's systems had been shut down. all of that leading investigators to take a closer look at the pilot and the co-pilot. today, searching both their homes. cnn's renee marsh has a complete timeline of what we know so far. >> reporter: takeoff from kuala lumpur 12:41 a.m. local time last saturday. flight 370 headed north along its planned route to beijing. but then two communications systems stopped working within minutes of each other. and investigators now believe someone almost surely turned them off. at 1:07 a.m. near the east coast of malaysia, the system known as akars stops transmitting information about the plane's operating condition. and that was before the last radio transmission, all right, good night, indicating everything was normal. 1:21 a.m., the transponder which identifies the aircraft on radar stops transmitting. was someone trying to hide the pla

the u.s. intelligence community, the u.s. national security community, faa, ntsb, analyzing the technical data, and as they have looked at it now and have had the time to look at it, sort through it, what they are coming to is a conclusion, i am told, it may, may be harder they stay to write off the notion that there was not some sort of human intervention in this flight. this does not go to the notion yet in our reporting of motive, of sabotage, hijacking, whatever you want to call it. but what does it go to is as the u.s. intelligence community has looked at the technical data, they've asked themselves the question, how could it be? how could these changes have happened? what are the reasonable ways these very significant changes in flight path, the erratic part of the flight path, the altitude changes, what can we explain away, what can't we explain away in aerodynamiaerodynamics, how happen? and they look at it in the last many hours as they have looked at it, it is becoming harder to write off the notion that there wasn'

>> well under the dni's leadership i think the community has done a very good job to insure the different components of intelligence community are able to work collaboratively together but identify different types of analyses and interpretation of the events. i'm proud of the work that ca as well as other members of the intelligence committee did on ukraine. our responsibility is really identify what are the options available, what are the likely scenarios based on as i mentioned in my remarks those variables and considerations. you know a lot of times with world leaders will make decisions based on what is happening on the ground or how, what international reaction. i think that is very true right now when you look at putin and ukrainian leaders. . . that might be subject to some type of sort of sectarian sort of violence, so i think he's laid a sort of public predicate for possible moves. we also see the building up of the forces in crimea as well as things that have happened along the border. has he made the decision? i guess only to knows if he is made the final decision. but what we try to do is identify what

outside that mean the intelligence community the community nobody knows what's in them. but what we do know it now thanks to senator dianne feinstein is that the ci has possibly checked into the computers of senate staffers and remove key documents and thus interfered with the investigation. earlier i was joined by layering seems author of the porsche report is also behind the online in tracking website the courtroom put dot org that has built a documentary record of the bush administration torture program. i first asked him what is it in the senate investigation that the government doesn't want people to help well senator feinstein has been pretty clear and safe knowing what's in the report when the weather report was completed and in two thousand and twelve. there is a press release that one out with a quote from her saying you know essentially the study that they had done should put to rest them. once and for all the debate about whether or not the bad state should be involved in either kinds of detention and interrogation practices that were carried out into the end

and when this secret surveillance of americans finally became public though, no one on the intelligence communitywas involved. -- was even contrite. their only regret was that the program was no longer secret. in an almost surreal exchange, a congressman asked the nsa, did you think of program of this magnitude could be kept secret from the american people? the official replied with a slight smile "well, we tried." the sheer arrogance. they are only sorry that they got caught very at without the snowden leaks, they would still be doing whatever they please. what is your beef? what they rarely mention is they do not think any of your records have any fourth amendment protection. it is only boring, old business records. think about the information on your visa bill. from your bill the government can tell whether you drink, or the smoke, whether you gamble, what books you read, what magazines you read whether you, see a psychiatrist, what medications you take. there was a recent study by two stanford graduates -- are we allowed to mention stanford here? [laughter] look it up in the last week or two.

it's a values certainly in the intelligence community, not just professional ethic. the very much encourage diversity of thinking as well as all forms of diversity in the intelligence community. we understand how important it is to analysis and value alternative approaches. of course from the legal tradition we have heard -- won't repeat what you have already heard, skillfully and foley argued. those are all important. we think it would be enriching to any analytic class. .. they have the wherewithal to see the nations most important secrets and they are doing it in a way that can be trusted by the nations leaders so they are looking at very sensitive intelligence sec

the public was concerned that the nsa or the intelligence community was maintaining information. all it was, was a phone number and the length and duration of a call. mike and i knew we had to deal with the perception. people who work at the nsa everyday get up in the morning and feel strongly they are doing the right thing. they're not breaking any laws. there is not one instance in the program anything was illegal. or that anything was basically done wrong. notwithstanding that, we decided we felt strongly we were going to do something to make a difference. and we were going to change the bill. as the chairman said, the phone companies now will have this data already, will be taking a -- and we will be taking a warrant, the fbi, and giving it to the phone companies, and then we will pass reasonable articulate suspicion. that means, if in fact there is a terrorist at a safe house in yemen. if that terrorist called united states, that would be the test we would need to get the information. what is more important in our country, which makes our country so strong, is the process. --

at the same time, i am upset about what our intelligence community is doing. known -- we may not have if snowden did not reveal it. on the one hand, you have chaos. , he was 20ning million pages. there's a chance intelligence could endanger our agents. i am not against spying. with how people gathering intelligence around the world and and i think -- and i do not think we can allow willy-nilly release of documents. i think it's a row problem. i have mixed feelings. post a very interesting question during your address. you asked about potential cia spying on senate computers. to quote you "if the cia is spying on congress, who can or will stop them?" what would be your answer? >> the interesting thing is, this is what senator feinstein said in her speech, they came across something. access by then cia. the search engine was created by the cia. whatsay and i am going for they are telling me, they said they found a report called the panetta review which looked into previous activist of the cia, interrogation and detention and they guided the search engine. if that

and that's nsa working with the fbi and others in the intelligence community to insure that in crisis like the boston marathon, terrorist attack, that we have a way of moving quickly to insure there aren't other elements of an attack. >> how successful was this bulk data collection anyway? were terror plots foiled specifically? >> well, this is a key issue for everybody to understand. no one program by itself solves a terrorist plot. if you go back to the midarcaisse, the american airline s flight that hit the pentagon 9/11. one of the things the intel community was beat up for was not being able to connect the dots between midar and a place in the ama, so this specific capability was designed to meet that. to meet that gap, mitigate it. and it has been helpful, and the fbi has given some. so some of those were material support to terrorism, and some of those were leads that led the fbi to take further steps. so here's a case in point, and why i equivocate a little bit about saying how valuable it is. if we had given that information in the summer of 2000 to the fbi and they policed u

official tells cnn the intelligence community has increased its focus on those in the cockpit. know the last communication from the cockpit, someone saying all right, good night, came after some of the plane's systems had been shut down. all of that leading investigators to take a closer look at the pilot and co-pilot. today, searching both their homes. cnn's renee marsh has a complete timeline of what we know so far. >> reporter: takeoff from kuala lumpur, 12:41 a.m. local time last saturday. flight 370 headed north along its planned route to beijing. but then, two communications systems stopped working within minutes of each other, and investigators now believe someone almost surely turned them off. at 1:07 a.m. near the east coast of malaysia, the system known as acars stops transmitting information about the plane's operating condition. and that was before the last radio transmission, all right, good night, indicating everything was normal. 1:21 a.m., the transponder which identifies the aircraft on radar, stops transmitting. was someone trying to hide the plane? we also no

the last time the intelligence community was faced with a crisis of oversight. here is precedent for an outside investigation. >> and the church committee had some important findings. but isn't that really what the senate intelligence committee has spent the last five years trying to do? >> well, exactly. it's what it was designed to be. now what mccain was suggesting is there seemed to be differences of opinion about the set of facts that have taken us to this point and it's very clear that feinstein believes that the cia are the group that, you know, acted improperly. the cia is alleging that the senate intelligence committee acted in a criminal manner. at this point it's up to the justice department to decide that. but to sam's point, i mean, senator feinstein is not someone who has been historically at odds with the intelligence community. if anything, she's been a defender at times of some of the controversial programs when they were actually ongoing. for it to be her that is standing up and taking this stand, that's why i think you're seeing the white house

you want, as a president, you want to have a good relationship with the intelligence community, and with the director of the cia. so i don't think they're really willing to push in this case. and you also have to wonder whether the white house and the intelligence community have maintained they didn't know a lot about these programs and how they were being run specifically the torture program, maybe there is something in that report that reveals otherwise, that they knew exactly what was going on. i think thi it is something they want to think about. >> lindsay moran good to have you on the show. thank you. >>> switching directions, away appears to be a unique legal case, rachel canning claims she was forced to leave home and in effect abandoned by her parents by their neglect abuse and unnatural ultimatums. but they say she didn't want to have respect, do her anchors, return things to her sisters and end a relationship with her boyfriend. judge peter bogard put off ruling on rachel's claims by seemingly siding with her parents. >> have you ever seen a young adult child so such gross dis

i have been one of the members that pushed back and not very well liked by the intelligence communityot that i do not like the intelligence community. i understand that we need some tothat, but their inability trust congress to work with them shouldre -- who else ensure the civil rights of my 800,000 people that i represent? that is what i sent here to do, keep them safe, no doubt, make sure terrorists are caught, things did not happen like 9/11 -- i get that. i know my constituents, the people that i represent, they want to be able to go on with their lives and not worry about that. i get that, and i want to do that, but at the same time at what cost? who is to decide what cost? it would be my reflection that the people that are deciding are more in the intelligence community than the congress pushe, and my answer is to back and say it is the congress person's responsibility to make a determination of what is too much and what is not. protocol should be with the congress, at least knowledge is incredibly important. den, markhen you see wi udall, the senators get more members. the hou

that report is at the center of a political fight between the intelligence community and those who have oversight over that community. investigative reporter jason giants us now. what do we learn for the first time in your reporting. you did the digging. what did you find? >> reporter: well, we find out that many of the techniques, the enhanced interrogation techniques used on prisoners and one in particular was the first high value detainee captured after 9/11 that many of these techniques were not authorized through the justice department through that legal memo that bass originally authored by john yu. there were many techniques that we had never heard about before. and this report will set the record straight on what those techniques were, and when they were used. >> okay, so in the black banner, from one of the two agencies that interrogated in that sort of c.i.a. black site prison. he suggested that the enhanced interrogation techniques were an experiment. was he in essence a guinea pig on these techniques? >> yes, they use the word experiment many times in his book and the senate

concerns not only the violation of law that may be involved, but the rule of law is imposed on the intelligence community which operates in shown, and sometimes has that it seeks to operate above the law. looming ahead as the broader question of whether the intelligence community, which has been afforded so much deference over the past decade, can operate within the apparatus of accountability that apportions power between the branches of government, as the founders thought to do. or profoundly, we have to ask how much unchecked and unmonitored intelligence activity can be consistent with the rule of law. those questions, very simply, cannot be long delayed, in part because of the urgency to maintain our values and in part because a lot of the key statutes expire on june 1, 2015. when you are asked will there be legislation? yes, there almost certainly will be legislation, or a serious attempt, and a bipartisan attempt, to reach legislation. some of the key statutes expire on june 1, 2015. the rule of law as we know particularly here has been the bedrock principle of american democracy, the lodestar of o

> more now from washington, d.c. >> as chair of the intelligence committee dianne feinstein is one of the biggest supporters of the intelligence communitystantly supporting the surveillance bought ou out by edward snowed den. she said as part of their investigation they found an internal review document which suggested that the c.i.a. had broken the rules, misled congress and the president about the efficacy of torture. but that document suddenly disappeared. that suggested that the c.i.a. had access to the senate commuters, and that breaks the constitution. the department of justice is investigating both the c.i.a. but also the senate committee for improperly potentially accessing that document. that's what the c.i.a. alleges. we'll have to wait to see what they come up. meanwhile dianne feinstein said president obama needs to release the document so we can decide whether the law was broken. >> malaysia's military now believes the missing airliner actually changed course and flew hundreds of kilometers to the west after it last made contact with air traffic control. the boeing 777 with 239 people on board vanished from radar screens on

the u.s. intelligence community ever gained a scenario where a plane is not just hijacked or stolen perhaps to be used for some other nefarious purpose in the future? >> the intelligence community was criticized post-9/11 for failure to use imagination, after that we did all sorts of war gaming for different sorts of act. and i have to admit as bizarre as some of those were we did nothing like this. and in that sense i still do think the idea of this plane being taken and landed for some future act is still a very, very, very unlikely possibility. >> all right, greg fife, let me turn to you. this harass been brilliant technical work to use the pings to determine how far the plane traveled. but have we reached the limits of technology? is there any other technology in the bag of tricks that could pick up any information on the plane? >> i think, lester, what they're trying to do with the lone piece of equipment, which is to try to pinpoint where the aircraft is, the only other thing we have not heard about is to pinpoint the other countries, if they had spy information or any other aircraft tha

the u.s. intelligence community knew saddam hussein had moved 100,000 troops from the iranian border to the kuwaiti border but the estimate, they were not going into kuwait, because invading a fellow arab country, that was not the conclusion. there was a minority of analysts who said they were going in. >> for sure. and another challenge here. and intelligence officials have told me this. our intel on the ground is limited there. we can't fly drones over. you have satellite pictures, but that's way up here. that's six miles in the sky, right? you can't fly drones over it. you don't have human intelligence on the ground. that's a handicap. so it's not like they're looking into, you know, another country, you know, pakistan, for instance, where we can fly drones over there with impunity. that makes it more difficult not only to count noses of the troops on its ground but also to get a sense of what the next step is. >> what about this phone call that the president had yesterday with putin? they spent an hour on the phone, once again. doesn't look like there is any movement, although you never know wh

. >> if you are in the intelligence community and you lose dianne feinstein things are going to get reallythis is really a big accusation that she has leveled against them. >> well, brennan denies it but if it's true what happens. >> so much the intelligence community has denied. i mean, on any number of issues that we later found out were true. and one of the thinking things that the intelligence committee it turns out the computers they were using were all provided by the cia. and to think that the cia didn't have a back door into those computers i think would be -- i mean malpractice to believe that if you did. >> so what happens? suppose they did violate separation of powers and they unconstitutionally search the computers at the senate. >> if these accusations are true, it's really going to be, heads are going to roll. it's going to be real problems. it's not whether obama does or the administration does something about it this is the senate intelligence committee that's making it and the chair. >> we had clapper lied to senate committee and nothing happened. the nsa collecting whole

an official telling barbara starr that the intelligence community is focused that those in the cob pithpilots are responsible for the plane's disappearance and we know that somebody in the cockpit turned off a critical tracking system just before the last radio transition, and that message from the cockpit, "all right, good night." back on the ground the investigators are looking more closely at the pilot and the co-pilot and you can see the police exiting the home of the co-pilot, and official are saying that they went through the home of the pilot earlier in the day as told to cnn. we go the andrew stevens in kuala lumpur, and andrew, what are you learning and the two men? >> well, at this stage, we are getting a lot of background about the two men, don, but it is going to fit the pattern of the prime minister yesterday saying that the investigation on the ground is refocusing, refocusing on the crew and the passengers. and on the crew, the pilot and the co-pilot are going to be key. this is what we can tell you at this stage. after the prime minister had his news conference here, pol

the intelligence community has established a blog on tumbler which i just learned about recently called icing on the record so you can just google i see on the record and you will find redacted foreign intelligence surveillance court pleadings and we are working hard to put additional matters up there. i can't say that they are self-explanatory. they are written in densely blocks of redact the text. another issue that we have to think about is not only the need for a person to have clearance and the ability to review things in a manner that preserves the secrecy of sources of methods but also familiarity with how the intelligence community operates. it takes sometimes years of work to really understand why it is certain things are done in a certain way how would we do compares for example with the activities of other countries, how what we do has developed historically over time, how does it compare with law enforcement, why is it different from one enforcement? all of those issues take a lot of focused attention and time to really understand so those are just a couple of practical cons

the u.s. intelligence agencies viewed him as a threat to the intelligence community and what role it took in thwartingis fight for democracy in south africa -- >> why do you think they thwarted it. >> well, we know that provided intelligence in the 1980s. what we likely know but do not have hard documentation about is the cia specifically was intimately involved in nelson mandela's arrests. we have a former cia agent and south african intelligence agent who have said this is the case. so we have very good reason to believe the cia did orchestrate his arrest. >> so what were the federal agencies response? >> they all responded differently. i think probably the most notable denial came from the nsa which refuses to even confirm or deny the existence of agency records about mandela. i'm quoting here, the fact of the existence or non-existence of the materials you request is a currently and properly classified matter to be kept secret in the interest of national defense. and the nsa invoted the nsa act of 1959 -- i'm sorry the nsa invoked the espionage act of 1917 to deny my request. and this is the same

stolen documents are quite common, human trafficking, so this is an angle that the intelligence community and the malaysia will pursue, but they'll also be careful not to get so focused on that that they miss something else. >> michael i was very curious to hear it wasn't necessarily a surprise that two passengers on board a plane of that side would be using stolen pass manyports. yesterday we thought okay one, maybe you can see it. we have systems in place that are supposed to prevent that from happening. were you surprised when you heard two? >> i was. i would say that is really quite out of the ordinary here in the united states customs and border protection will see not infrequently false passports or visas, especially to get into the united states. stolen passports are quite xhoen in that region, but stolen passports into china are a little less frequent. as you said, two together even more infrequent, and two together on a plane which disappears, that really does make people think is this somehow involved? >> you know, what's interesting to me. if you're traveling into china you hav

a spokesman for the nation's intelligence chief, who oversees the agency, says the intelligence communityd timely and valuable information that has helped policymakers understand the situation on the ground and make informed decisions. that continues to be the case today. any suggestion that there were intelligence shortcomings related to the situation in ukraine is uninformed and misleading. the cia also defended its analysts, saying they left the door open for that military option, shepard. >> catherine herridge reporting from washington. very interesting they said there were no gaps, though this happened without anybody knowing about it. maybe at some point we'll find out how those two things come together. one of the great hopes here is maybe sergey lavrov from russia and secretary kerry's meeting may bring some kind of resolution. we'll take a short commercial break. i'm shepard smith live in kiev with the continuing crisis in ukraine. okay ladies, whenever you're ready. thank you. thank you. i got this. no, i'll get it! no, let me get this. seriously. hey, let me get it. ah, uh. i d

dianne feinstein pretty much a supporter of the intelligence community throughout the nsa controversies. this goes back to the most controversial recent era in cia history, which is the detentions, the so called torture investigation. >> this really is in my view the perfect storm of oversight in the intelligence community. it's the most sensitive issue for both the congress and the cia, interrogations and possibly torture. second, it's post-snowden, where the oversight committees really did get beat up for not being intensive enough. and last, but not least, this is about executive branch disrupting or interfering with congressional oversight, which will normally make these things very bipartisan. that's the surest way to get congress mad. those three things, as you said, combined with these very, very strong personalities of john and chairman feinstein make this a pretty volatile mix. >> and i think one of the back stories here, we should bring people into what people in the community are all talking about, this really started getting very, very nasty when it turned out that a man nam

the communicators on c-span on c-span2. on wednesday, kentucky senator rand paul spoke at the university of berkeley about government surveillance and privacy issues. he criticized the mistake surveillance by the intelligenceommunity and called for an to oversee committee intelligence gathering. this comes in the wake of what was said by dianne feinstein, that the cia may have searched computers. after his speech, rand paul sat including on a possible presidential run in 2016. this is about 40 minutes. wereenter him if we collecting records, and we said congress is getting the same treatment as everyone else. yes, yes, they are spying on congress. digest exactly what that means. if congress is spied upon without their permission, who exactly is in charge of the government? last week, we learned something new. the middleenators in of this. we learned that the cia is uniquely searching the computers of the senate intelligence agency. those are the ones who are supposed to be overseeing the cia. i do not know about you, but that worries me. is spying on congress, who will stop them? eyes ofnto the senators, and i think i see real fear. maybe it is just my imagination, but i think i perceived fear of an intell

this is the intelligence committee believes, community believes and republicans believe an out and out hit job on the cia. that's the background. >> the cia did its own internal study, now the intelligence oversight committee has gone in and done theirs. they've written a report, which is still in draft and yet to be made public. a lot of this is about the fight over what will be made public because what will be made public will ultimately be quite critical, as you suggest. it almost a washington he said/she said. what makes this so surprising are the two people. these are two serious establishment people, dianne feinstein, senator from california, been around for decades and john brennan, a real career pro. these are not people, if will, from the end zones. these are serious people in a relationship that usually works. >> to put perspective on this, you really do have to go back to 2001 to understand feinstein, ally of the cia, supports interrogation techniques, briefed time and time again. have i it on firsthand evidence, briefed time and time again about these activities, she suppor

when you have dianne feinstein, a huge supporter of the intelligence community making the accusations, that deserves a lot of attention. there's a lot of constitutional issues here. the intelligence agencies need oversight by the legislative branch. any time there's an accusation that there's domestic spying, whether on congress or ordinary citizens deserves a lot of attention. the point senator mccain raised is absolutely important. we've gotten away from having independent councils that are statutory. when is it right in our system, spras of powers to have an independent investigation. this case extremes out for it because it is part of the same executive branch as the cia, if i'm in the legislative branch i'm concern about it, even if senator feinstein is not absolutely right. the concern she raised is really important, that it be looked out independently or hand it over to someone else. >> this compromise could be a very big deal. i'll go to you for the next question, howard, director brennan scoffed at the notion of stepping down. what should the president do? >> not to be too gl

i think for the counterterrorism community and the intelligence community, as soon as you have a plane that disappears from radar, that's already unusual. people take some notice. but the intelligence community and the counterterrorism folks, once they heard about the stolen passports, that definitely got their attention in a different way. >> now, as of now, there has been no claims of credit or i guess credible claims of credit that we've seen so far. it does seem to me in other instances in which there was some kind of terrorist action, often it's motivated as much by a kind of pr victory and trumpeting of it as by the actual crime. what does that say to you that no one is rushing to claim credit? >> well, i think the longer time goes on that no one claims credit, the less likely that it is a terrorist event. that being said, terrorist events and terrorists don't always take credit. the best example, pan am 103 over lockerbie. in that case, those who perpetrated the crime were trying to hide their involvement. they never did take credit. we do have instances of terrorist attacks whe

we've been hearing for quite some time that the intelligence community here in ukraine has evidence or information that there are agent provocators . they're just really deeply concerned about that because that is mainland ukraine. we have heard repeatedly from the government here in kiev that if russia does try to take that part of this country, that that will be unacceptable. that will be one thing too many for the government here in kiev. they say they will fight now. we have seen in the last few days the beating of almost war drums here in kiev. they're calling up reservists. people are going after recruitment centers. there are ads in heavy rowcation on the national television here in which they're urging the local population to give money to the defense ministry, to help build or re-build their military. in addition they're saying start sending us food stuff, things that will be of assistance to soldiers. there is a real deep concern that this is not the end of things with crimea, but really just the beginning. >> even with that kind of national mobilization and that sense of thr