iraq wasn't. the case for war in iraq that was presented to the american people proved to be a smoke screen. there were no weapons of mass destruction. there was no reconstituted iraqi nuclear program. the case that was made publicly for that war turned out to be false. what was true? what was the reason for that war? we know that it wasn't the reasons that they told us. so, why did we really do it? newly obtained documents from both here and abroad, as well as interviews with many of the key players in the war planning process and in the invasion now provide an answer to that question, the question of why we did it. watch. ♪ >> i will swear to not only uphold the laws of that land -- >> summer or of 2000. >> but lift the spirit of this country when i put my hand on the bible. i will also swear to uphold the honor and the integrity, the office to which i have been elected so help me god. >> we love you, bush! >> as the presidential race heats up, the economy threatens to stall. the problem is energy c

the price tag that the u.s. and iraq have played. >>> the roles women will play in the next iraqi government. >> it's the most important vote since the fall of saddam hussein. iraq's first national election without an american military presence. democracy. mid east stability. global security. and oil. all at stake. voting in the center of conflict in the middle east. and voting under constant threat. the worst unrest in iraq in years. our special report, iraq: bloodshed to ballots. i'm john siegenthaler in new york. the polls are now closed in iraq's historic election. the first since u.s. forces withdrew in 2011. tonight we focus on the situation in iraq and the middle east since that withdrawal and ask: was it worth it? as iraqis cast their ballot security was extremely tight. millions of people went to the polls to elect a new parliament and ultimately a new prime minister. imran khan spent the day at a polling place. >> passed without major incident across the country there have been deaths as a result of violence bu

on the al qaeda problem in iraq. was it going to drop when the united states left? absolutely. working at to did -- how to do targeted terrorist work is rocket science. malikiy, prime minister is doing an imitation of what the u.s. army was doing in 2003 and 2004 before it figured it out. it is a very high bar to expect this government to do, but i think in 2010, 2011, they had a handle on the situation. while we can never do counterfactual's, were it not for the conflagration in syria, the problem in iraq was more or less manageable by the security forces they had. the invasion by a number of foreign fighters -- not to say there are not native auxiliaries that are fighting along isis foreignraq, that the fighters gave them a problem that their institutions are not strong enough to handle. to cope there are lots of other issues -- >> there are lots of of the issues that we can discuss, with relations to how the american political cycle and the current debate and the growing isolationism in the united the future americ

he accused the country's border town of about two supporting iraq. he placed attacked with chemical weapons. the five thousand people died in the space with coupons and twenty five years of use chemical weapons are still killing people. many children born since the attack penalty to speak norman. unexploded bombs remain up to twenty twenty or so. i mean visible and he continues to get a job the report says. looks like that. i kept the car. our eye jack are welcome if you just are used for easing the fullest and to today assemble the store is a glorious city will be following for you. at the top of the hour. pro russian separatists easy to get more towns in eastern ukraine the ruling congress party cries foul over the pose struck by a front burner and money. she's an indian actress leader of electioneering. with its own feet. on this another big day voting in india's general election. and in the united states the death penalty once again called into question after a botched oklahoma execution. and indeed regains consciousness and brought it into the ne

the u.s. invasion of iraq. general shinseki clearly had not been intending to testify that day on how many troops would be necessary to responsibly maintain order in iraq after a u.s. invasion, but he was the army chief of staff and when he got asked, his answer was, several hundred thousand u.s. troops. he said that on february 25th. two days later on february 27th, the bush administration destroyed him for it. after all, they were in the midst of selling the american public on the idea of a war in iraq that would be quick, it would be easy, it would be cheap, it would be bloodless. sure, maybe there might be some bruising when the iraqis came out to hug us and kiss us as we arrive, because they wanted us to invade so badly, but other than that, they sold the iraq war as if it posed no real risk. and we certainly wouldn't need hundreds of thousands of americans involved in what they promised would be a quick, perfectly planned, tidy little war. that's what they had in mind. so this was two days after eric shin

the iraq war i signed up for was launched on false premises. the american people were misled. now, whether that was due to bad faith or simply mistakes of intelligence, i can't say for sure, but i can say it shows the problem of putting too much faith in intelligence systems without debating them in public. >> we'll take another break

bush was reelected after the iraq war. that is our fault. just for a moment, that most of you are democrats. i am a colorado native. i did all my research there before there were computers. do we want the military to say no? i am not going to stop the 1994 genocide. screw you. i do not think the military should think like that. that is a slippery slope. they can start picking leaders. we have the history of the civilians being in control of the military for a good reason. with that, i look forward to your questions and comments. >> thank you. now, we have sarah shord. >> i will start from a personal angle. i decided to move to the middle fromand the decision was years of experience and activism. i was in college at uc berkeley in 2001 when 9/11 happened. go toopposed from the get the knee-jerk response of attacking afghanistan and iraq. i joined the anti-war movement. because it is the only thing you can do, we took to the streets. after the initial couple of years, a group will of us -- a group of us shut down the port werekland because they

this could be huge for us soldiers injured during the afghanistan and iraq wars. it's in fact estimated three hundred thousand have suffered traumatic brain injuries and both of those wars the defense advanced research projects agency or darpa is behind this sophisticated memory stimulate her. all this is great news for those who suffered brain injuries some people see it in a different light. manipulating memories afterall and people could open up an ethical minefield also be noted that researchers have come a long way in understanding the manipulated to bring doctors are unable to produce travelers and people with parkinson's disease. cut back on seizures and even boost memory in some alzheimer's patients to a process called deep brain stimulation former secretary of state condoleezza rice lost out on a reported thirty five thousand dollars she backed out of delivering a commencement address at rutgers university the decision followed protests by faculty and student overwhelmed the iraq war. it examines the future to report on hosting same old former politicians

forces are increasing daily. >> this is at the apex of iraq going to hell. ge has just started. and the war went from incredibly violent to over the top violent, especially in baghdad. >> we would get blown up regularly. snipers shooting at us. never really tell who the enemy was. >> soldiers from the u.s. army's bravo company 216, including specialist ethan mccord, are on patrol in a rundown neighborhood called new baghdad. early that morning the battalion comes under mortar fire as it leaves the base. while the soldiers patrol, they hear sporadic gunfire. >> this area had been a troublesome area so bravo company was tasked out to go in and kind of flush people out. >> two apache helicopters are providing air support and cameras mounted on their gun sights are recording the mission. wikileaks added the subtitles on the video, but the audio you hear is the pilot's actual radio chatter. >> we got a target coming at you. >> the pilots spot a group of men they suspect are insurgents carrying weapons. >> have individuals with weapons. >> he's got a weapon, too. >

that is the problem in afghanistan now, that is the problem in iraq. 's a core, as i said, the varying problem of no legitimate, and we are in a very difficult box because of that. in and that's, that's both a yoo problem and our problem generating with those principles which was based on very sound principles, very noble things. that's why this is almost more of an idealist than a realist. >> oh. i've got a question. so one comment, and i won't defend the surge -- [laughter] other people can do that. but just on this issue of how, i mean, on the sort of, i mean, there is the sentiment in the book which is a little bit of we can get by doing these things with less force than perhaps we've done in the past, and just sort of the classic line is, you know, if we had only let the iraqi army stay in place, then, you know, we wouldn't have had to be so deeply involved. but the truth is, and this is true for other interventions, the iraqi army didn't exist. i mean, there was no iraqi army left. it was a bunch of shiite conscripts led by sunni generals, and the

it was showing the images of war in iraq. ur thoughts about that, being a journalist that the american soldiers knew from the beginning , what this meant for journalism? >> truly, when i was released from abu ghraib prison, i resumed my work in journalism and with al jazeera. until now, i worked with al jazeera and have covered many regions in africa, asia, and many other countries will stop i did not stop my journalistic work at all. i consider my profession i see miniature in one that shows facts and truth everywhere, whether it is iraq or elsewhere. al jazeera work in iraq was probably different from other stations and channels because it dealt -- delved the details of the issues that were related and of importance to the iraqi people, and joe details that other stations might have been afraid to show. this might have annoyed some parties, so they were not happy with the performance of al jazeera in iraq because it showed many photos and details. how people were killed, how was conducted. it showed problems the security com

the war. ift city is at war with iraq government forces. they say it is a war against terrorism with the islamic state of iraq. a lot of people say it is not a war against terrorism. those are the big flashpoints but not the only ones. what is the worst-case scenario? guest: the worst-case scenario is to have multiple weekend state in the region. you have the gulf which is sunni arab and has been dramatically opposed to shia led government. still there is that attention. syria is imploding. that border where suicide bombers came, that border is open again. battle hardened iraq is coming to launch attacks. going to fights with syrian regime forces. it is a very delicate balance and a complicated region, especially when you throw in iran and turkey. host: you can ask her questions on one of three lines for democrats. that's on one of three lines. for democrats -- if you want to send your thoughts via twitter, that is @cspanwj. potentialthe fracturing of iraq, what does it mean for u.s. policy echo are there still policy concerns? guest: this i

war or voted for the iraq war.it was a big factor in my getting involved and in i think a lot of young people getting involved. >> throughout the fall, obama worked small rooms across iowa and new hampshire, clearly connecting with the mostly white electorate. >> thank you! >> be courageous. >> thank you, i will. thank you. >> you read some of those early speeches and rallies. do you remember the feeling you had in the room hearing barack obama for the first time? >> it was really a physically tangible feeling in the room, of excitement, of inspiration, of hope and possibility for change. and i think that was the sense that we were really here in the presence of somebody who's a new kind of leader. >> are you fired up?! ready to go?! fired up! ready to go? fired up! ready to go? >> ready to go! >> so am i. >> on january 3rd, 2008, these fired up voters swept obama to victory in the iowa caucuses. >> they said this day would never come. >> he had beaten john edwards by eight points. senator clinton had come in third

well, the state of the iraq war has not faded from those in the bush administration. you can see it right there. rut gers is just the latest land mine, if you will, off by a former push team member. and more of these lurk in the near future. as we await the release of the senate intelligence committee's torture report, not to mention another bush presidential campaign. both are msnbc political analysts 37 david, it seems to me there's a couple of issues here. one is a protocol, i've been lucky to be invited to. i don't like people canceling anticipate pulling back. it seems like the invitation is sincere and accepted sincerely. in this case, i think the issue focuses on the iraq war. if i were a student protester or faculty member, i would say show up and explain why we got into that war. >> show up far debate on campus. >> in addition, yeah. >> or on its own. but to pay someone $35,000 -- >> oh, they paid her? >> oh, yes. $35,000. they're still paying her, even for not doing the speech. >> why do they pay people to give commencement addresses? >> i don't know. you ca

some students and faculty at rutgers had staged a protest because of her role in the iraq war. rice says she doesn't want to distract from what should be a joyous occasion. later, yet another use for drones in the sky. checking out storm damage on the

bush was reelected after the iraq war. that is our fault. ust for a moment, that most of you are democrats. i am a colorado native. i did all my research there before there were computers. do we want the military to say no? i am not going to stop the 1994 genocide. screw you. i do not think the military should think like that. that is a slippery slope. they can start picking leaders. we have the history of the civilians being in control of the military for a good reason. with that, i look forward to your questions and comments. >> thank you. now, we have sarah shord. >> i will start from a personal angle. i decided to move to the middle fromand the decision was years of experience and activism. i was in college at uc berkeley in 2001 when 9/11 happened. go toopposed from the get the knee-jerk response of attacking afghanistan and iraq. i joined the anti-war movement. because it is the only thing you can do, we took to the streets. after the initial couple of years, a group will of us -- a group of us shut down the port werekland because they

this is the way i see iraq, the way i see many countries. in the next 10-year period, the change is going to be inevitable because structurely you'll get the demographic pyramid, the economy, and the political issues. you're not going to have some of the same leaders i would highly doubt, in power eight, 10 years from now. that may be a bad prediction, but i just think politicians should not fall into this trap that others have fallen into. >> when it comes to the anybody but maliki scenario, i would also agree it's likely for the two have said, you do have precedence, where the governor, and one of the things that is oftentimes ignore when had it comes to the united states press now towards iraq is it tends to be very baghdad-focused, where there's a lot of vibrancy, whether it's in the north putting the kurdistan regional government area aside, whether it's in north in wards to kirkuk, in the south with regards to -- whether it's in regards to the governor at basra and so forth, it's just vibrant. you had a governor elected in basra. you h

commencement address at rutgers university in new jersey following protests over her role in supporting the iraq war and u.s. torture practices. we will speak with student protest leader carmelo cintron. all of that and more coming up.

troops during the iraq campaign. this is our senior national coming to you live from moscow with me marina joshing the u.n. is examining reports of government forces in ukraine using helicopters bearing the organizations insignia and a military operation and the east of the country if confirmed it would mean cave is violating its agreement with the united nations the organization says the helicopters were seen during a heavy fighting near the city of chroma tourists were several paratroopers were killed with casualties also reported among anti-government activists are these are in english though is there for us. there is a video that was filmed by the crew off the life news channel which allegedly shows one of the three helicopters involved in the incident around kramatorsk and bears the u.n. insignia r.t. has contacted the united nations for comment and have gotten a response now according to their going to zation at a country that has the equipment that has the u.n. insignia on it is supposed to strip it after the e

. >> this is the first election in iraq since u.s. troops pull out of there, three years ago. >> five years after the great recession we are still not fully recovered. >> gdp grew at .1% in the quarter. >> that's the slowest pace in more than a year. >> there is no way to stop the growing unrest. >> pro-russian separatists, growing credi strength in ukraine. >> purple fingertips were on display, symbols of a person's voiting. it'person's voting. with al qaeda led fighters and other sectarian groups fighting violence, much of iraq was on lock down. check for car bombs and surnts insurgent in basra and other cities. 14 people killed. u.n. special representative nikol acre nikolai vladinov. >> security and violence have deteriorated over the past few weeks and particularly during the campaign period we have seen many attacks on polling stations and candidates. >> meanwhile in baghdad many streets were closed in what seems to have been a successful effort to keep insurgents at bay. prime minister nouri al maliki is the front runner to put

the iraq war germany france and our supposed allies use the u.n. charter is a reason not to help us in iraq. you're you are quite right it's hard to find cases where it's a soul dictating reason why we may not intervening. i think it's an additional political cost to going to war. it's a disincentive. when some of these wars say we'd be better off if we did go to war. the other thing that is very hard i think you're right what is the future look like if you move away from the u.n. charter system? what is the institutional quite? the concept of europe is an analogy to the past. one thing that is successful is our colleague john bolton came up with the nonproliferation initiative which has a kind of system but there's no formal treaty. there is no formal place where they meet. the governments coordinate their actions politically to try to stop the proliferation of wmd technology as i understand quite successfully. i think that would be the way to go to start starving those kinds of successful informal methods of cooperation. they are not be telling us

she voted for the iraq war.in fact, she said saddam hussein had wmd as did her husband, bill clinton. they never invited bill clinton to campus? will they never invite john kerry to campus who vote for the iraq war. this is political correctness gone nuts. i'm sorry that a small group3ec3 of misguided students and a nutty organic chem professor had their way. i have to say connedy's statement was -- every word sparkled. what a wonderful way for her to remove herself from this situation and to give the students at rutgers back their commencement. but shame on the little totalitarians to the left and their faculty agent who perpetuated this. >> i also blame the administration though, karl. they gave some wishy washy response of regret or something. i didn't think the university stood up for this at all. i thought that even those who wanted her to speak, their voice was so quiet. it's so weak. >> right. and, look, that's fine. that's what is expected of university administrators. i want to issue a challenge though

host: looking at the future of iraq, thank you so much. hinseki is walking into the room right now. that hearing starts live on c-span. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2014] [captioning performed by national captioning institute]

in 2005 and 2006, led the third armored calvary regiment in iraq. and directed the joint anti-corruption task force in kabul, afghanistan, from 2010 to 2012. last year chuck hagel nominated him for his third star, the rank of lt. general, and in july will start heading up the think tank. well with come. >> great to be with you. >> charlie: you as well. tell me what your new responsibilities are. >> it's a real privilege to serve in any capacity but it's exciting to join an organization whose mission is to deter conflict, respond to crises and if necessary fight and win a future war. as americans, we want to give our forces every advantage we can give them and the first order of business is to lay a conceptual foundation that defines the war and how to prepare our forces to fight and win in future armed conflicts. >> charlie: are we now prepared to fight two wars at the same time? >> it's clear from public statements recently that old defense tragedy of fighting two wars simultaneously is no longer feasible given the size of the force and the capabili

. >> iraq war veteran phil klay is next on booktv. he discusses the collection of short stories about soldiers who fought in iraq and afghanistan and the experiences they had while back in the u.s. between deployments. this is about 45 minutes. >> all right, thank you. here we go. thanks so much for coming here. good to be a. this is my first time in l.a., so be good to me. it's a thrill to be here with tony. so the book is 12 short stories all from different perspectives. and i'm going to start out just read the opening of the story about an artillery unit. the store is called template south. an artillery unit on this large base called a fob, and the fobs in iraq, weird thing where you have come you're in a combat zone but they are large, really secure. and they are like a little miniature cities. they have light workout facilities nhl hall. there's some -- there would be a child haul. this story is set on camp fallujah progress in iraq some marine had recorded a song set to the tune of hotel california. the course was welcome to the hotel camp fallu

the afghan war started in 2001. iraq in 2003. there is an aging veteran's population. the american legions, one of the groups that is not just calling for shinseki to go. if the administration had known about these issues for four years, why is it now just taking action. there was a firing last week of v.a. management employee, but turns out he had tendered his resignation and announced his retirement last month, and his replacement had been nominated. a lot of people are not satisfied with the way the administration has responded. >> that was a mess. so another point on secretary shinseki. the fact is, and you know this, democrats love him for the way he opposed the iraq war. there is loyalty to him, but how long of a leash does he actually have here? is he going to get an opportunity to fix the problems? >> david scott of georgia called for shinseki to go. when he was chief of staff in the army. this is a four-star army general. a man wounded as an officer in vietnam who knows first-hand experience of how the v.a. operates. he didn't oppose the iraq war. he opposed it

in terms of the last year u.s. troops were in iraqthe mission transitioned into a mission to leave, that the logistical enterprise of getting out of a country you have been in so long in such great numbers is itself a huge military operation. is that essentially the only job american troops can get done, especially the last year they're there? >> reporter: well, i think a lot of that is going to be much worse in afghanistan than it was in iraq. iraq is flat and we have a very friendly neighbor to the south of iraq in kuwait. all you had to do to get out of iraq is get on the highway and drive. afghanistan is landlocked central asia with pakistan as the main land border, which is not always cooperative. sometimes convoys are attacked. otherwise, you have to fly material out. right now, about 32,000 troops. he is talking about getting them down to 10,000 by end of the year. that's not that many, not much time to get 20,000 troops out of a landlocked central asian country. certainly a lot of effort between now and then is going to be inv

dropped out of of the ceremony after months of heated protests and faculty over her involvement in the iraqr. she wanted the ceremony to be about the students and not her. >> that brings us now to our look who talking. karl rouge the senior advisor to president george w. bush is talking about the rutger's controversy. >> he was challenging rutgers to show the same moral outrage. >> hypocritical and stupid. the organic chemistry professor and the small group of students who protested condoleezza rice appearance they accused her of water boring and torture. if it were torture they would have an affirmative responsibility to seek charges for any one who did it. if you are opposed to the iraq war what were they doing inviting hillary clinton to speak on campus. she voted for the iraq war she said sadam hussein had wmd's. will they not invite her or bill clinton on campus or john kerry who said saudi arabia had wmd. i am sorry that a small group of misguided students and nutty organic chem professor had their way. same on the little totalitarians 10-20 degrees above average. kansas city upper 80

some accuse her of being a war criminal during the iraq war. chris christie and others have also faced commencement speaker backlash. former secretary of state rice touching on the question of political dialogue on campus in her statement, quote, i have defended america's belief in free speech and the exchange off off offed -- of ideas. i entries the purpose of the commencement ceremony and i refuse to distract from it at any way. i think we all understand her ducking out of this. she doesn't want to distract from the other students graduate that go day but let's also keep in mind that this was, we're told, a small group of people on rutgers campus backed by a small number of faculty and there are a loft students that attend that university that are very upset with condoleeza stepping away from this today. >> i think it's a really graceful statement, that she doesn't want to detract from the commencement of kids there. i think it's a mistake. i wish she would go and be accounted for and her presence would spark a debate that i think is worth hav

this is where the simple might die in accidents iraq. this morning we were yet to discuss. many ran to hide inside. shelter since the printing was sent on fire. google holy and dearly and i do. along with the winnings in between there was that this was nothing short of the nation the people in turn provide great is the source is the first time since the crisis in the country starts and accused russia of being behind the bonnet of the peace movement. we the terrorism diversion and its militaryhrt as a way of pressuren couries who was also at the weekend. the russian president is dssins divergence was in uniforms which can be identified because he wants to destabilize our country tessa. the message to me the wounded. since you don't see the calls and says you know anything. i'm sprinkling it certainly did. friends and colleagues who went to makan the club. read them. they want. i will get it. randy seaver was that cleans the lines of it least twenty people have shrinking. this usually means seeking something crazy. many of the year. this means the gap between the roman authori

we've been in iraq, the war in iraq supposedly to make it -- >> no, it's fallen apart because of obama's actions. >> that is ridiculous. >> when president obama took over, how many boots on the ground did we have? >> he actually made it higher. >> do you know how many casualties are attributed under president obama's watch in afghanistan? about 75% of all the casualties in the war. >> why is that a surprise? >> but you are pinning this war on a prior administration. >> i'm not pinning it on the prior administration. i said we shouldn't have gone into afghanistan to begin with because that was where the whole plot was developed. we didn't have to stay there that long. how long -- >> we still have troops in korea. we still have troops in germany. >> by treaty. [ multiple voices speaking ] >> we abide by our treaty. >> how disrespectful to the troops that have served and died, we're weary, we're going to pull out. the american people are not quitters. don't disrespect their service, bob. finish the job and do it right. >> guys, do me a favor. we'll continue this exact topic. listen to gener

british troops come in some sixty killings during the iraq war the top u.n. court goes on a mission to find out those details coming your way. for now though when it comes to views away from the mainstream we have plenty here on r.t. international and this often makes us well the target of criticism and i was one particular so terrible show breaking down the israeli palestinian conflict that has provoked rather a strong response. the u.n. issued resolution through force calling on israel to give those territories some space for you to miss your future i'm just trying to wait what the latest episode of australian produce programming the juice wrap news was accused of anti semitism a jewish rights group why it's in full sound. apology from our network but our management here at r.t. called the allegations baseless and outrageous stressing that critical views about the policies of various governments around the world media analyst danny schechter he says critics are going to try and find a sense of humor that this criticism is ridiculous it's obviously written b

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war, but the management of the iraq war. in 2006 he tried to come back to social security. his own party wouldn't listen to him. he tried to come back to immigration, his own party wouldn't listen to them. forget the republicans, he lost them a long time ago. >> he faces an adjacent problem, hillary clinton. hillary clinton is who his party is looking toward, lawmakers are looking toward. they are looking toward what they see as the future. you saw that in this past week with what happened with the benghazi committee where you had people around hillary clinton pushing pell let's see to make sure there were democrats sitting on the committee. it was as though obama didn't exist, they were pushing ahead. i think he's in dangerous territory. >> 30 more months of the obama presidency. everybody sit tight. up next, what's missing? it's important when you look closely at the map of 2014 battlegrounds. first, in this week's installment of "politicians sometimes say the dardest thing," president obama updated on his wardrobe malfunct

pro russian separatist solidify their grip on the eastern ukraine teething. voters in iraq go to the whole supplying deadly attacks. and the man tipped to become india's next prime minister has cast his ballot at a later stage the country. boy or a fast moving events in ukraine today with the peace now slipping away from central control. kiev says it wants to hold a national referendum on territorial integrity. but the move might be too little too late for the pro russian separatists who now control key cities and towns and are demanding secession will be live with our reporter for more on that shortly. it also looks like there could be some progress in efforts to free the international observers being held by pro russian militants. so the ants still behind barricades. pro russian separatists are firmly in control of the town center and two comes and goes here. seven osce observers are still being held hostage there. it's unclear if and when they'll be released negotiations continue between the towns self proclaimed mayor and osce representatives. so far they've led to noth

there was a lot of excitement about the intervention and the hopes and dreams of what iraq would be the reality is it's still far away from being achieved and the challenges are great i think it's just very hard to try and determine if the change within the dictatorship would have happened naturally the majority of iraqis have told me that they feel it could have only happened with intervention but. obviously i don't want to. produce an impression of hankering for saddam hussein obviously we're not talking about what it would have been better if he stayed in power what had really talking about is how realistic this concept. you know trying to how the country to progress towards democracy because the same type of rhetoric has been voiced in case of libya in case of syria and we have all seen what kind of ramifications it had back there is so it seems to me that the experience of iraq as horrendous as it was wasn't enough to persuade western leadership that you know these type of democracy building projects simply don't work i think the challenge is really how can we make it

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