returns were report the fraud to the irs. the coalition is work with the irs to ensure members of acc are can send real-time reports of fraud to the irs. mr. werfel, the financial industry is important -- taken steps in a ondition of their callous the irs working with the tax software companies on issues of this problem? also, the state of georgia's utilize the private sector to identify potential fraud through third party information. we understand the irs has a program to receive information from industry to describe this. and how have you worked with companies to help them identify a consumer fraud and identity that? >> we have a very critical partnership with private industry. they often are developing and are at the cutting edge of sophisticated solutions to deal with fraud or error. there are companies with working with the irs right now that help inform on our filters, help inform on trends and schemes that we can help county, help provides information. we also benchmark and see what other companies are doing that can t

that is the power that the irs has. the fact there is this going on, we need some answers. >> this is coming from the white house can makes it more frightening. >> neil: we should have known. every correspondent has said this, it's always in all cap letters. that to me is the sign. [ laughter ] >> neil: you got a monster on your hands. >> more and more fast food workers taking their wage beef to the streets. if they get their way, they see a doubling wages, would it end up drying up the job market. and getting pat-downs to getting a shake down. why a new report of the tsa have travelers off the hook and calling for the agency to just fly away. [ male announcer ] this is george. the day building a play set begins with a surprise twinge of back pain... and a choice. take up to 4 advil in a day or 2 aleve for all day relief. [ male announcer ] that's handy. ♪ [ male announcer ] that's handy. could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. mmmhmmm...everybody knows that. well, did you know that old macdonald was a r

>> i think what happens is the irs is a scandal. i have no evidence that it reache the white house or barack obama or anybody in his inner circle told people to go do this. they're jumping to conclusions without any evidence. >> that's what reporters are supposed to do. >> let her in. >> you're right. you're right. and think foxews has done a very good job of looking at it but so far i see no evidence that this has emanated from the white house. >> you do think there's a scandal. >> there are two things here. one is i'd like to get to the bottom of what happened. and, two -- >> do you really? >> i do. no, i really do. to the point where i said many times. >> are your fingers crossed, julie? >> no, my fingers are not crossed that we should have independent processing the other issue i think some people are missing and the issue that i think we really need to focus on is a lot of these oups, both democrats and republicans completely abuse the irs tax code where they're imposing it. >> that's different than going after one. >> go after

now you see the irs lobbying congress. the union has told irs agents' lobby congress are you don't have to live under the obama health care law which is the law of the you're bein paid to enforce. lou: as we watch all this unfolds, it is stunning,eally, that there is so little effort on the part of the traditional watchdogs. the fourth the state, liberal, national media. there ii no accountability. is there likely to be any beyond the ballot box beginning next year? >> i expected more especially with the day that the optics the way that the white house and th justice burton has gone after rorters. the associated press oine subpoenaing a mouse going into the private dealings of the porters. not theevel that you or i expect. >> we thank you for being with us. afford to talking with you again soon. >> a keyor having me. lou: much more on the obama white house scandals and the countdowto obamacare, talking with congresswom dianne black next right here. stay with us. president obama declared the sequesterudget cuts to be devasta

the real scandal at the irs, the one the political media still doesn't know about is finally going to court. >> we don't speculate on what we might find. >> the so-called scandal at the irs. >> we believe that it was ideological. clearly affected only conservative groups. >> if you have not much about it lately. >> tuesday august 20th, 2013. >> has the u.s. cut off aid to egypt? >> what is going on with san diego's mayor? >> glenn greenwald is lashing out at authorities. >> ted cruz tried to rally the republicans. >> to defund the president's health care plan. >> holding town hall meetings against obama care. >> now is the single best time we have to de-fund obama care. >> i don't think shutting down the government is not a good idea. >> we are standing up to take this country back. >> why can't the republicans all get on the same page? >> it is my honor to endorse him for the united states senate. >> chris christie's endorsement of steve lonegan. >> i am proud to have him as a candidate for the united states senate. >> lonegan has a chance to win. >> cory booker is way ahead in nearl

what do you think the irs is going to do? they are people. they see this. they know these are powerful people saying these groups are a threat to democracy. you need to get them. that's the real scandal. not a smoking gun. >> then, you have to take it to the next chapter. now that they have gotten caught with their pants down, now that they have been caught targeting, now, what's the explanation for the leader? what's the culture. the culture has evolved where the president says it is phoney. it is phoney for someone to feel wronged by having been unfairly scrutinized. to continue your narrative, it is now the president is saying it is phoney. it is like this is no big deal. that's the message he is sending. >> i think that's right. that adds to the idea as well. this isn't a scandal. it is one argument that some have been trying to make, that these groups deserved what they are getting. the problem is, the irs wasn't tough enough on them. this is a real problem. we should be encouraging this grassroots pl grassroots political participation. the tea party is

and not the irs. a congressional hearing today investigated the national parks services mismanagement of the inventory. uncovered when an audit found of the agencies' weapons for.ounted mark fish schopp questioned jonathan jarvis about the issue. mr. jarvis, you gave a nice spin there, but you didn't answer his question. is who's ultimately responsib responsible. have you done? who's ultimately responsible. >> i'm the director of the parks service. you're ultimately responsible. >> what about ms. chambers? supervisor, line she is also responsible. was a 2003 s, there report that was given, 133 guns were missing. a pawnshop. 2008 report that showed problems. showed eport that problems. all of you were on the job then. did you do to ly implement the findings of the 2009 report? unaware of the 2009 report. >> but it came under your watch. > i was not the director until october -- >> no, you were the director after this report was taken, permitted. what did you do about it. even if it came after you took d

and the irs we can see? >> one thing the acting irs chief did admit today, he doesn't want obama care for himself. now, he is in charge of the agency helping to implement obama care, but he doesn't want it. what do lawmakers think of that shocker? ways and means committee member peter ross joins us now. >> thank you, greta. >> were you surprised that the irs acting chief doesn't want obama care? he'd prefer not to have it. >> i was very surprised. here it was sam johnson, congressman from texas who posed a simple question and why is it that the union representing the treasury employees are trying to get out from under obama care. why is it that they're afraid of this when they're given the task of implementing it. the irs commissioner was actually very frank. he said look, i like the coverage i have. i don't want to go into the exchange. that's exactly what he said. there's no other way to characterize had. >> the coverage that he's not particularly fond of, the obama care, do members of congress have obama c

the interaction between the irs and fec. lerner used to work at the fec.igation seems it is in early stages. to listen to representative kevin brady of texas. they have e-mails that they think are damning. >> i think representative brady is correct. we are in the early phases of this investigation. it is not too early toorn that the what is going on here is really, really problematic. it is deeply corrupt. it is probably illegal. it changes it is now morphing, gra gone from an irs scandal. president obama earlier this week said that these were phoneo scandals like the mississippi river they keep rolling and keeps getting bigger. i think the republicans are doing well. i think they are very methodical and are not hysterical. they are pursuing it and it will take time but they are pulling on it a thread at a time. >> what about that? if it starts expanding beyond the irs that starts to become more of a problem for the administration. >> they are not supposed to share information but the threat would be that they are sharing information for political purposes

the agent. this unnamed irs agent testified in the three long months, the irs has failed or refused to devise newat the old ones are in place. that should take a day or two to devise new rules. does that suggest to you that wur if ful the guy is incompetent or in the alternative complicit in continuing to target these conservative groups? >> it continue have been his first priority. day one you come in and make these changes. i don't even know how it is possible. it's really talking about exxon or walmart or some private company that it had massive public relations disaster occur. it would be done within 24 hours. not to hold corporations up to the same high standard. >> gregg: heads would roll instead of being promoted. >> yeah. in this federal bureaucracy, it goes on and on and i'm sure it has something to do with the power of the federal employees union. but to the fact it's a massive federal government and we suckers who pay our taxes and supported all of this, we have no say in it. they just don't care. honestly, this is why the whole temperature to begin with. >> gregg: several democrats ar

the irs with the establishment of been conservative in nature. lo and behold the reason they were looking at them is because it is really hard to understand where that line has been drawn. but the discussion that went on earlier today about how it would be outrageous for a regulatory entity tube security statute, which is what the first panelist were talking about the most part. it is just kind of like it doesn't relate to the when it comes to the rs and i think that it's quite entertaining at the very least. dam, i think you for being here. you're you are not being treated any differently than any other administrative person that comes to this committee and is raked over the coals are my colleagues on the other side of the aisle. i regret that and i apologize. >> with exception of the chairman who has always shown great respect. let's discuss this issue. is it not true that this particular bill, the affordable care act, was debated ad infinitum in the congress of the united states? >> deliver distance away. we have a robust legislative issue. th

people in the irs don't want any part of it either. like you're walking down the street and see a bunch of people running out of a building and there's a shadow figure saying come on in here. >> neil: you're opting not to. >> they're opting not to. what is interesting is the president loves to talk about the fact that with this bill, there will be no lifetime limits on the amount of money paid by insurance companies that you can stay on your parents insurance until you're 26, preexisting diseases will not preclude you from getting insurance but i agree with that. most people would agree with that. >> neil: depends if you like your kid but i digress. go ahead. >> well, the other hundreds of things in the bill people don't like. he never talks about those. he talks about the fact republicans want 30 million people not to have insurance. this is demagoguery. i hope everybody will look it up, peel appealing to the emotions of people. a classic politician stuff. we need people interested in solving problems, not just the upper hand in a poli

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the irs disregarded that last year. they adopted a rule that said l whether you adopt an exchange or not, it's going to assess a penalty. that's not what the law says. the irs has come into our state trying to assess the employer mandate penalty. we have sued the irs saying that violates the congressional intent and language that's found in the aca. >> so you're saying that if the state had set up the exchanges, then the irs could do that. but the way the law is written, that was if the state declines to set up an exchange and the federal government has to set up the exchange, that they are without specific or express authority in the statute to do that. >> that's exactly right. congress says definitively that. >> i got that, but what i don't understand is if the president can say -- i mean, the way the law is written right now, congress and staff are subject to obama care. but what the president and i guess congress didn't like last week is they decided they wanted to exempt themselves, so they take out a pen and write

more of the same mess at the irs. brand new testimony revealing the embattled agency is still targeting conservative groups. after all of the attention. peter doocy is live for us in washington. what's this all about. >> they would no longer be scrutinizeed by the irs for their political beliefs. there's a new washington piece that contains a transcript between congressional investigator and irs agent. it is a tea party group in the political at cassie case even if no evidence of activity on the application. the irs agent said based on my current manager's direction uh-huh. back in may you remember president obama said he wasn't going to tolerate improper behavior at the irs. >> it doesn't matter what political side you are from. the irs has to operate with absolute integrity. the government has to conduct itself in the way that is true to the public for us that is especially true for the irs. >> they want to put lois lerner the head of the irs tax exception commission back on the stand. >> lois lerner she hasn't provi

he ended up as the irs chief counsel. on the stuff on the nsa -- this is part of the same attack on american democracy, we have people getting up here with these canards saying, look at our program, we got all this information. it had nothing do do with the 300 millions americans whose records they're taking. the nsa is supposed to be listening in yemen to people talking to each other and the chatter. but you may believe, and i suppose we should give the government the benefit of the doubt, but remember what they're also trying to knock off the air. the fact that the dea is sharing the information and using it with informant and trying to cover that up. the fact that mr. brennan who left the white house and went over to the cia and is conducting, we found out this week, nondisclosure agreements and also polygraphing members of this vast number of cia agents who are on the ground, many of whom may have been casualties but we were not told. this is the american people have figured out the government lying to them, and to hav

then e-mailed lois lerner at the irs? s.e.c. hairman don mccann joins us. >> nice to see you. >> why is the fec in this? >> the fec is in this because there were some fec staff that reached out to the irs in 2008 regarding a few conservative groups and as you know the irs has already come under fire for targeting conservative groups. this was made public somewhat recently by folks in the house of representatives. >> what business does the fec have going to the irs for information? was this public or private information? >> originally an fec investigator reached out to the irs directly to lois lerner, the person who has come under most fire at irs asking for more information about a group called the american future fund and the request was for information generally, and the irs cannot provide general information. eventually the irs did provide some public information. what is interesting is, first of all, why would an fec investigator be reaching out to the irs without commission approval. the way the fec works -- >> you're on the

. >>> up next, new information about the reported irs scandal. the reputed irs scandal. u're watching "hardball," the place for politics.  >>> how dare the administration imply that they're going to get to the bottom of it. this was the targeting of the president's political enemies effectively and lies about it during the election year so that it wasn't discovered till afterwards. for years, the president bashed the tea party groups. he was very public against these groups. and on his behalf, be perhaps not on his request, on his behalf, the irs executed a delaying tactic against the very groups that he talked about. >> anyway, welcome back to "hardball." that was darrell issa, head of the house oversight committee as you saw there. he has repeatedly tried to link the irs' targeting of conservative groups to the white house. he's failed to do it every single time. to this point, his witch hunt has found no witches. not in the white house. the entire narrative of this reputed scandal has gotten hard to follow. in fact, is it a scandal? yesterday house democrats released

the irs says the be on the lookout lists are gone. the agency has taken decisive action to eliminate the use of inappropriate political labels in the screening of tax-exempt applications. the irs says its policy is now clear that screening is based on activity not words like tea party and a name. that unidentified agent has told investigators a tea party group would get political advocacy screening while some democrats on capitol hill like to point out liberal groups have gotten some extra scrutiny a senate conservative says there is no

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>> the irs is working on solutions at the back and. >> let's say you don't catch it.withu not have to hit her a tax liability to clawback that subsidy that she did not get? let's say you don't catch it and she gets a subsidy she is not supposed to get. you have to hit her with a tax to claw it back at the end of the day, correct? >> if we find that there is a problem, that she got a credit she should not have gotten, and we might be able to do it by working with the employer community, but there will be a cap. depending on the income level -- and i can work through -- rotation for the individuals in those cases that we -- where we would cap the amount. >> i don't know why anybody who could get free insurance through their parents'policy would choose instead to go on the marketplace and pay for insurance, and even if they get a subsidy. >> i guess we just have to hope, won't we? has theairman, majority devised a way we can vote on this during the august break? >> if the gentleman would like us to. >> we could do proxy or internet voting -- i think the game plan is to g

and not the irs. aptioning performed by the national captioning institute] [captions copyright national youle satellite corp. 2013] will discuss the report with the gao's director for aviation issues, steve lord. you can't imagine a first lady today without a cause. causesother hand, those are not permitted to intrude upon lawmaking. or an official capacity. it has always been a tight rope. and seeing how each of these women walk that tightrope tells you a lot not only about them, but about the institution and about society that they represented. >> next week, we will begin an encore presentation of our , "first lady's influence and image." week, martha washington to angelica van buren. first ladies, weeknights all this month. on c-span. house minority leader nancy pelosi answered a reporter's question. >> i'll add to that if you tell us about your glasses. >> they are google glasses. you're telling your family what you're going to it for lunch as soon as you look down at your lunch? >> >> democratic s

has the irs done any analysis ?nto the impact placed on firms >> we would certainly look at administrative impact, because withoal is to work taxpayers to improve taxpayer service for the irs. does the irs have any sense of the problems? >> i would want to get back to you. i can talk to my team about pacific problem. >> would you agree the cost of compliance would also have a negative impact on patient care? >> that is a policy call. i cannot make a judgment on that. >> they have indicated the cost not revenue -- the compliance costs have been estimated around $667 million so far. that is in addition to elliott of dollars for maintaining quality jobs and research and development. up.me do one follow you mentioned you have seen rate filings in different states. does minnesota come fly? >> minnesota is offering a change, and they are doing well. >> has your office seen rate filings for the planned yang offered in minnesota? >> the state is running the exchange. he will make them public when they make them public. >> c

some communication that the irs and fec are having. this predates president obama's november 2008 election. does that signal to you that at least it doesn't go as high as the white house? he wasn't even president then. >> it may. what we do know is there is communication going on that's not appropriate. it's about a question that should be totally dealt with in the internal re new service. that's what most concerns us. if it is referencing something before then, lois lerner worked at the federal elections commission before the irs. maybe she goes -- she's concerned about this. but the point is there is coordination. at least what appears to be coordination between two federal agencies. >> in terms of the response you want, you want the response back by august 21? >> last week, i had a chance in committee to question acting commissioner dan warfall and i said why don't we have all of learn er's e-mails today? it seems the first thing you would have done as commissioner is send us all her e-mails. who's she been talking to? she took the 5

that's different -- >> no, the irs -- lois -- did you read the e-mails?ois lerner responded as to the tax status of the group fec was engaging in. she responded. that's why she took the fifth amendment. do you think she took the fifth amendment because she felt like it or maybe her lawyers evaluated the situation and said, you know what, lois, you'd better take the fif aboutt fift incriminate yourself. >> just be happy that you have the loophole -- >> you know what? organizations on the left have been -- >> you want it both ways. you want it both ways. and the irs should examine -- >> i want the law applied. >> they should examine whether it's legitimately charitable expenditures or wherever it's for partisan -- >> that's not the questions they asked. you know, that's not the questions the internal revenue service asked. 's the problem here. they didn't ask what your activity was. >> that's what congressman issa is investigating. >> and what their positions were on particular issues. >> all right, guys. we've got to to leave it there. >> read the law, ste

tonight just got worse for the irs. s blasting the acting irs chief accusing done wore fell of -- in a scathing letter to the irs, these house oversight committee leaders demanding he stop obstructing the investigation and warn him it's a crime to do that. subcommittee chairman jim jordan joins me. >> good to be with you. >> a measurement of whether there's obstruction or not, you've brought props. show me, these are the documents you've asked for and this is some of what you've gotten. >> some of what we've gotten. this is one section. >> i think the viewers need to see that you asked for these documents and they take out what you shouldn't see. >> normally, redacted is something like this. there's names and maybe key addresses. >> these are full pages all black. >> totally black. >> 13,000 pages. some information is informative. a lot is duplicate. some is redacted. >> this is nothing. it's black pages. >> how do you get to the truth when this is the kind of information we're getting from the irs. after the president s

the irs.uld target americans for their viewpoints -- so absolutely wrong. engaged in, not but here in new hampshire, across the country, to make sure we can win back a majority in the united states senate in 2014, and then go and take on the white house, a republican president in 2016. that will make the difference for this nation. we are the party of opportunity. we are the party of growth, the party that wants to give people the opportunity, the american dream, that you can do anything in this country with personal responsibility, work ethic. nothing can stop you in this country. and i am so proud to be here tonight. i know someone whose family story, and his own personal story, demonstrates what you can do as an american living in the greatest country on earth, with the american dream. beis my honor tonight to here with my colleague, ted cruz. i want to tell you a little story about ted, because i met him long before i came to the united states senate. that was when i was involved in a litt

first, you have an investigator reaching out to the irs. y're only asking for public information, why reach out directly to lois lerner? maybe directly to the website or make a photo copy, exactly the kind of thing you would do. third, after this initial contact that happened in july of 2008, a mere two business days later the irs sent a questioner to the american future fund. these are very real questions that the irs needs to answer. the congress has asked both the fec and the irs to produce any communications between the two agencies. i'm glad they've done that to get to the bottom of what could be a new development in the irs debacle. >> before it gets to the fec what is peculiar is that bob bauer which is a long-time lawyer in town and under the president, he is now at the white house, but before that, he was on the president's team for re-election. he, incidentally, married to anita dun who was on a campaign against us. but bob bauer contacted the fec first about this conservative group and the fec sort of takes that water and to the i

the irs even used a cute little acorn as a reminder. looking for groups doing political work on both sides of the aisle. yes, they were screening tea party groups. but they were also looking for progressive groups. it wasn't a left wing conspiracy after all. the real scandal is the right wing's phony persecution of this president. joining me now karen finney and joy reid. thank you both for being here. >> thank you. >> joy, the whole irs scandal is totally made up. i mean, should i hold my breath from apology by the gop? >> the acorn was so cute. i don't know how anybody could think that was threatening. i'm glad you started back with watergate, rev. the sort of politics of grievance as animated the republican party far long time. ever since nixon had to resign, they went after clinton to say now you have an impeached president just like the republicans. then george w. bush. they say people weren't nice to george bush so we're going to be extra mean to barack obama. and they're constantly framing their policies. now, in the irs case, th