the irs shouldn't be doing this. it should be the private sector again like we've said for, i guess, years now, that should be only involved in healthcare because they are thenly ones accountable to a bottom line. >> ok. gary b., you're safe for another year, i think. but john, how do you take this? they are going to be enforcing the health care law which is already ase're discovering pretty much a mess. what do you think of the irs getting in there? >> i should have listened to my friend, audited right now, so i love the irs. they are underfunded and understaffed. it itough for them to prosecute and catch guys who are hiding and not paying their taxes. much less to do something with obama care. you have to start almost completely over to build a whole new infrastructure, so might as will do what gary b. is saying and hire a private company to do it. the government does not do things very well. >> tracy, you're a great accountant. >> but on behalf of the accountants of the world,don't shoot the messenger here. you get

i don't want to pick on the irs for the reasons jonas has highlighted. [ laughter ] >> i love the irs are good people there. but the problem is with any government agency, ovseeing a big part of the administration of 20 of the economy, there's going to beways to fraud. you go down the list -- whether it's medicare social security, medicaid, food stamps. anything -- even if hsswas running this or the department of education, there would be fraud, waste, inefficiency. unfortunately, that's what you get with a large government where the only goal is to build your department. the irshouldn't be doing this. it should be the private sector agailike we've said for, i guess, years now, that shoul be only involved in health care because they are the only ones accountable to a bottom line. >> ok. gary b., you're safe for another year, i think. but john, howo you ta this? they are going to be enforcing the health care law which is already as we're discovering pretty much a mess. what do you think of the irs getting in there? >> i should have listened to my frie, audited right now, so i love the

the irs is playing both sides here. , george saros and his groups have been funding c-4 organizations for decades. now the rules are changing. but there is something else here that's sinister. the idea that this is going on in the middle of the litigation we've got where the treasury department is being represented by the department of justice and outside law firms. they are changing the rules in the middle because, remember this, our clients' applications are still pend after three years. do you know what they deem inappropriate here? voter registration which is what the naacp has done for decades successfully. i'm glad they have. >> they can now shut down your client's applications they have been delaying for three years based on the new rule if it passes and is approved? >> what they will do is say they have new standards now. they have to evaluate the organizations based on those standards. i sent a stack of documents this thick to the treasury department saying we have already given you two and a half feet worth of

the irs is playing both sides here. ow, george saros and his groups have been funding c-4 organizations for decades. now the rules are changing. but there is something else here that's sinister. the idea that this is going on in the middle of the litigation we've got where the treasury department is being represented by the department of justice and outside law firms. they are changing the rules in the middle because, remember this, our clients' applications are still pend after three years. do you know what they deem inappropriate here? voter registration which is what the naacp has done for decades successfully. i'm glad they have. >> they can now shut down your client's applications they have been delaying for three years based on the new rule if it passes and is approved? >> what they will do is say they have new standards now. they have to evaluate the organizations based on those standards. i sent a stack of documents this thick to the treasury department saying we have already given you two and a half feet worth o

that's the irs. , inefficient, incompetent, full of special deals for special people, and in some instance, criminal activity. how many more red flags to the american people and politicians need? irs employees illegally target people. they don't politically agree with. while other irs employees look the other way. $4 billion, billion, fraudulent claims paid in 2011, an that's just 2011. who knows what it was in 2010, 2009, or even in 2012, 2013. you know, it's all awful. and adding to it, why in the world would president obama put the irs with its track record of horror in charge of enforcing obama care? do you really think that's going to work? if you do, would with the irs history and track record, you may be insane. let me make plain. i am not suggesting we have no irs. we need to collect money to run our government. and i'm not pushing any particular tax theme, progressive, value-added income, et cetera, whatever itself i'm merely pointing out the obvious. what our politicians won't face. the irs

joining me is the former head of the irs exempt organizations division. and back with us julian epstein, the former minority staff director. of the house government. were you majority or minority when you were there? >> i was majority of the government oversight and minority chief count sell at the you the -- minority chief counsel at the judiciary. >> they were indicating the promotion of social welfare does not include candidate related political activity -- marcus, that's where they're beginning. but they're inviting comment from all interested parties. tell us how this process will work. this is the treasury department speaking too in conjunction with the irs. they will get comments from the variety of groups. it is mrit cam campaign the league of women's voters, distributes, voters guide before the elections. their impact were unintended or at least not clearly thought through. a lot of comment. the treasury department will sift through the comments. they have to be submitted by the end january. there may be a public -- hearing. and itch the f the nor

cal in the world can the irs of rule a judgment of the u.s. supreme court? >> your obviously better qualified answer that and i am. one thing i would say, when they gave that exemption they also awarded the church the power to determine which of its own entities are tax-exempt. i have been seeking a power myself another thing that they have, hubbard wrote in a memorable novels. those are also tax-exempt. they had nothing to do with the church scripture, but according to the irs this capacious judgment that was given to the church kamal of that falls under this jurisdiction of religious literature. indicated publicly that they had spent $1 million in investigating the iras before that was given. who follows up on something like that? well, you know, i think it first of all the when you have a situation like that it's an ideal place for an investigative reporter to go in and say, no, that many of the same questions. i think the windows need to be opened. i've tried as much as i possibly can to crack them open. i get very little cooperation but i think awarenes

the same irs that targeted tea party groups. are they up to the task? plus the president says the gop is thinking about next year's mid-term elections instead of governing. wasn't it the obama administration that pushed back obama care roll out until after the mid-terms. you could find one of these after you wash the grapes at the grocery store. one woman did. it's a black widow alert. heart warming surprise that brightened up an ugly football game and had fans crying tears of joy. welcome to monday edition of the real story. with the deadline to fix the obama care website days away you may be surprised to learn where the president is today and what he's doing. he's on the road fundraising. and right now he's gearing up for a big speech not on health care or the efforts to fix the website but on immigration. so what's being done to fix the website while the president is on the road? >> reporter: today the white house is talking a new way to tez crunch as people try to sign up for health care on that troubled government website. john ernest on a flight w

there's word the irs last year paid out some $4 billion? fraudulent tax returns to identity thieves. four billion. wait until you hear where they sent all the cash? and these back. the crack-smoking mayor of toronto says he will not resign. he says he is staying put. now even his attorney says he might be heading off to rehab. let's get to it. >>> good friday afternoon to you and yours. the president trying to change the subject away from obamacare, at least for a while. that's what some of the analysts are saying about his travel to new orleans to talk up the economy. the president spoke only briefly about health care at the end of the thing. after last night saying he is sorry about the millions of americans who were losing their insurance. that's despite the president saying over and over that if you liked your current plan, you can keep it in an interview with nbc news, the president said, he should have been more clear about the specifics. it turns out many insurance plans don't meet the new coverage requirement under obamacare. they do

the irs has a regular way of responding to requests for information. gular way. >> as i read the law they say the irs can verify whether an organization is exempt. she disclosed supposedly whether they received an exemptions letter or not. why is that not okay? >> there are handwritten notes. much of which is redacted. lois lerner and supposedly the fec attorney talking to her, they were talking about what was be hi behind their ak a tifts. it was more than if they were tax exempt. if the fec has a question, they are supposed to ask the irs after an investigation is approved by the commission itself for information. the irs can't the do it in this way. >> the organization says they didn't disclose information from other public sources. >> no way that's true based on the e-mails. >> if they crossed a barrier that would be a felony punishable by up to five prison. we'll continue to follow it. tom, thanks. >> you're welcome. >> a terrifying scene at one of the busiest airports in the country today. crowds of passengers running for their lives. the latest n

the irs around another scandal. d enough they spent 60 grand rapids on gilligan's island training videos this one is costing taxpayers millions. that's next. check out the new web site at foxnews.com/the five. new websie at foxnews.com/thefive. we'll be right back. >> the treasury department says the irs issued $4 billion in phony tax refunds to crooks. the irs sent 343 refunds to one place in shanghai. th maybe that's where biden is hiding. they sent tax refunds to joint lithuania. i don't know if that's a real place. i don't own a globe. getting cash from social security numbers from people who don't file tax returns like the old, the dead. the swindling erodes tax payer confidence in the dtax system. what tax payer confidence is next? we have more confidence in a tom cruise marriage. the irs has gotten away with the political targeting of conservative groups a slush fund swallows 60 million the earned income tax credit scan awarding them 70 million in bonuses while blowing millions on goofy videos and meetings. wo

. >> fresh off the scandal with the irs and tea party groups, the irs and treasury are now proposing rules to curtail the activities of tax exempt political groups in campaigns. these groups somehow didn't sway the election last time for mitt romney. it's still trying to limit their right of free speech. >> all right, colin. >> paul, i have a hit to all the people who ate a little too much on thanksgiving. everyone's feeling guilty now. but as it turns out, studies

that bother, me. >> you think the irs sends money to the nigerian prince? >> that seounds like a great deal. >> send me money and i will get you my chateau in nigeria. it's not good. >> does america not care about this story? because half don't have any skin in the game? if you're not paying tax this story is kind of -- >> half of america cares. $4 billion to identity thieves. kimberly's right. this is the group that's going to administer obama care. they'll decide who's meeting the criteria and who's not. they can't even handle their regular job, let alone this part-time job which is going to be bigger than their regular job by three or four times. 1 trillion -- what is it, $3 trillion in money that's going to change hands through this whole system? that they're going to police it? we're in trouble. obama care's in trouble. >> they act like it's mon nopol money, there isn't any accountability. no one ever gets fired in this administration whatwhatsoever. it's pathetic. if it were the private market, competence would be the expectation. >> point something o

i don't really want to put the blame on the irs or the obamacare exchanges.the law, the underlying law that says government should have as much information about its and we know that that information is valuable to hackers and identity thieves and it is so simple and we wouldn't need all of these requirements. so even if we had angels heading this up, you're probably not going to have it done very well by the nature of government and the underlying policies that create such a perfect storm for the threat to our privacy. neil: we just had some ladies debating the impact of all of this. both liberals and conservatives -aying that this is fixed and done. if it looks like it's not, then why? >> i think that they are looking at a very rough. lack of time. the flipside is a republicans capable of that and they have to propose serious structural reforms to the underlying bad laws and it doesn't mean taking this from the edge is. you have to actually reduce the scope of the federal government. including the integrity of data and taxpayers and that is why you can't ju

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is it time to demolish the irs and start over. question has been raised but maybe today you think it might not be a bad idea. we'll be right back. >> i've would like to answer the committee's questions today, i've been advised by my counsel to certify nye constitutional right not to answer questions related to the subject matter of this hearing. [ male announcer ] eligible for medicare? that's a good thing, but it doesn't cover everything. only about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. so consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like all standardized medicare supplement insurance plans, they pick up some of what medicare doesn't pay and could save you in out-of-pocket medical costs. call today to request a free decision guide to help you better understand what medicare is all about and which aarp medicare supplement plan works best for you. with these types of plans, you'll be able to visit any doctor or hospital that accepts medicare patients... pl

coming up next, is the irs going after conservatives again? > this president has asserted the ultimate in hypocrisy. organizing for action his own many hundreds of millions of dollar 501-c4 continues to be active in politics without disclosing any of their contributions while attacking conservative groups in every possible way now that they can't win any longer, they can't forestall it any longer, they're looking to change the rules. >> that of course is the chairman of the house oversight committee darrell issa reacting to a rule announced late yesterday by the administration that would rein in the political activity of 501-c4, nonprofit groups. it would in fact end candidate-related political activity, including, and we put this up on the screen for you, communications that have advocate a clearly identified political candidate, communications that are made within 60 days of a general election, communication expenditures that must be reported to the federal election commission. communicated to the federal election. the irs commissioner read a

here is the irs obama irs caught with its hand in the cookie jar. 501 c 4s and 3s.ad of looking into it it, investigating it, reporting it, and making people responsible, pay for it. they are now going to change the rules. remember, the implication of their defense while the scandal was underway in being investigated was, well, the rules were unclear. well, they were rather clear in attacking conservative groups there was no lack of clarity here. it was a direct attack on conservatives and deliberately so. so, this is part of the argument that there was a lack of clarity, so, therefore, we now have to have a set of rules that will make it more clear. that was not the problem. it's not the problem now. and all of this will do is restrict political speech. it's not healthy in a democracy. especially if the restrictions of speech are determined by a bureaucracy under the control of one party. that is ultimately in its essence a corrupt way to make rules. >> juan, i thought this case was settled buy the supreme court and citizens united. >> that's right. that's why you

sthast how it works at the irs when they're serious about collecting the money.ard a tea party panderer complaint about medicare or complaint about medicare taxes or the collection of medicare taxes or the life crushing puer of the irs enforcement ability to squeeze medicare taxes out of each and every taxpayer. the individual mandate is the single least enforcement provision ever written in tax law and it is deliberately so. remember, that the one difference between candidate obama and candidate clinton was that candidate obama was opposed to the individual mandate. >> in fact you're going to mandate the purchase of insurance exit's not affordable, then there's going to have to be some enforcement mechanism that the government uses and they may charge people who already don't have health care or have to take it out of their paychecks and that i don't think is helping those without health insurance. >> he was the most convincing opponent the mandate has had. including hillary clinton. candidate obama won the individual mandate argument on his way to winning the d

so the irs is the one that is actually doing your marketplace, your subsidy determination.hat, and it drops back to our site. you start and in the process. gerri: you can tell me if i am eligible for the obamacare fix, if i am eligible for medicaid. he will direct me to the plan that i could be eligible for and somewhere to go and what i would be paying so that i have real information on how much money and paying and how much money i can get from the federal government. how long is it taking to get to the website? >> we have been building in for a while, but the integration for the government from that time they contact us up to now, the point he made about advice is critical. so it is that cystine roman piece but determining what plan is right for you which is why. so keep. gerri: in chicago alone. >> over 100 licensed agents. the biggest question is not our and robo was to buy. gerri: apparently the obamacare website has had a heck of a time integrating what they are doing with brokers. this is a different kind of thing. people want to get expert advice . hand-in-hand to

is it time to demolish the irs and start over. that question has been raised but maybe today you think it might not be a bad idea. we'll be right back. >> i've would like to answer the committee's questions today, i've been advised by my counsel to certify nye constitutional right not to answer questions related to the subject matter of this hearing. [ male announcer ] eligible for medicare?

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neither do illegal actions by the irs. but on obamacare the story might be different.se, millions of americans are having their health insurance cancelled and millions of us will have to pay a lot more in order to protect our health. once that dawns on the folks, maybe, maybe mr. obama will take action. no one is going to be held accountable and nothing revealed. the obama administration simply floats above it all and it generally hapless media does not demand answers. and when on the rare occasion it does, the a could you seed of being unfair, ideological or just plane dumb. there comes a point in history when people get what they deserve. president obama was elected twice. even though most problems besetting the country, including the soft economy have not improved. the president was not elected on performance. he was elected on personality and apathy. low information voters who don't know anything and really couldn't care less about their country broke heavily for the president. why? because they like him. sea likeable guy. and ironically, those voters are now being

instead, we actually do a checkup against the irs, the federal hub.so covered california at covered ca.com, we do not use were link or depend on healthcare.gov. a different website. we do, though, ping against the irs and this is an example of what the federal government works really well. three seconds we confirm paem's income against the irs system and that's working every day. >> i'm sure people are happy to hear the irs is working well. executive director of covered california, thanks so much. >> thanks, scott. thanks for having me with you. >>> and now, recent confrontations between police and suspects captured on camera have raised questions about the impact of video on policing. a warning, some of these images are graphic. this video was taken with a cell phone by an onlooker and has led showing the arrest of dj williams for riding his bike on the sidewalk near a housing complex in san francisco's mission district. several fights also broke out between officers and other residents at the complex. demonstrators on tuesday, accused the police of

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gerri: also, the irs, what you need to know. and how do you do that? ere parents need to draw the line with sharon. we are watching out for you tonight on "the willis report." ♪ gerri: all that and more coming up. first, the latest from los angeles and the shooting at lax which left one tsa agent dead and questions about airport security across the country. flights have been delayed and canceled as a result of the situation. officials at lax say all flights in and out of the airport are still delayed. with us now from a welcome back to the show. very good to see you. i read that the person responsible for this brought a rifle through a security checkpoint, which makes me wonder tonight even if the first tee off -- tsa officer to die in the line of duty today, are we safe? if you can bring a gun, and assault rifle through a security checkpoint, are we safe? >> well, he brought it to a security checkpoint, like a crowded shopping center just as easily. there is no defense against someone who was to blast his way through something. police know that this is

but while the irs prefers the cupid shuffle, folks at the v.a. like sister sledge. today on the hill, lawmakers weren't happy. >> veterans affairs is a large agency with deep pockets. yes, it's a large agency with deep pockets. but those pockets were not intended to be picked by either contractors that were likely unnecessary or, in fact, people who we held accountable and paid to be accountable to the taxpayers. >> reporter: and what was the v.a. poduction budget for this video? well, they had $50,000 to make this spoof of patton. that at a time when the v.a. had a backlog of more than 700,000 disability claims, more than 125 days overdue. another obama care contractor under fire for its questionable track record. the british firm charged with processing paper application serco faces allegations of fraud, wasteful spend rgs, even sexual assault. joining, jillian k. melcher, fellow at the franklin center for public integrity and the author of the report. great to have you with us. >> thank you for having me. >> serco. what in the world is a british firm being -- i m

new problems for the troubled irs. plus a warning about one of the most controversial medications available to women around the world. reports that it might not work at all for some women. on this day in history back in 1991 the adams family was the number one movie in america. >> it's november 26th. what you need to know should you change your plans or keep them. >> a warning about one of the most controversial medications around the world why it may not be effective at all for some women who take it. >> he is being hailed a hero for saving a woman who tried to take her life. >> i blocked her so she wouldn't bounce. >> the training he says that was put to good use. "fox & friends first" starts right now. pretty scene of times square. early, early. >> it is half past the top of the hour. we begin with this all eyes on the nasty storm that will hinder travel plans for millions of people. >> maria is in the tracking center. should people keep their plans? >> i don't know. if you look at the camera view of times square tha

the irs can't penalize if they don't know who. we are the ones who get hurt. >> dave, that comes back to the website and effectiveness and whether or not people can use the website. mark everson said it is a heavy lift. do we have any indication or idea of how well equipped the ears will be in carrying this out? >> the problem is, even if the website is working, and even if they have all of the information they need to penalized people who signed up, they can't penalize the way they normally do. when congress was trying to sell this bill, they leaned back on enforcement, because they knew the public would object to that. they didn't give irs the enforcement. they can't confiscate propero put liens, the only thung they can do is take away the refund check. people who are not buying insurance are not likely to overpay on the taxes, so how do you enforce something if you don't have the means to enforce it. and that leads to the key question, if you don't have enough young people, young healthy people signing up, the system falls apart

crucial health law test awaits for the irs. e is taking your calls and questions. ,ames is up, greenfield massachusetts. caller: thank you for taking my call. if insurance -- auto insurance is considered coverage on the affordable care act. buying automobile insurance would not cover the requirement to purchase health insurance under the affordable care act. what you would need to purchase is a health insurance plan that meets certain standards. that includes hospital stays, not-- drug coverage, charging women more than men and not rejecting anyone for a pre- existing condition. there is a specific set of criteria that an insurance plan needs to me to be compliant with the requirements to carry coverage. host: you have a follow-up? caller: people who are on unemployment, are they covered by the affordable care act? they generally are. there are two requirements for purchasing insurance. you have to be a legal resident and not incarcerated. if you meet those requirements, you are near certainly eligible to use the affordable care

i am litigating right now 149 clients against the irs. they are coming up with new rules and saying we will change the rules and sew it looks like what we did wasn't as bad as it was. no one is going to buy this. it is regulatory environment that is going to take a year to get ford. it is really significant violation of free speech. i think it is non-sense and they are trying to move the ball while it is in place and that is not supposed to happen when you are a referee and the irs is had referee. i think we will win it back. >> both outside groups pouring in $305 million in the 2012 elections. effects a lot of folks. >> the united states and china in a military matter now as tensions run high over disputed te tear terry. >> and man goes on a stabbing rampage at a hotel leaving four people injured a nurse dead. >> she was a giver. female announcer: sunday's your last chance sunday's your last chance to save big during sleep train's triple choice sale. through sunday, thanksgiving weekend, save hundreds on beautyrest and posturepedic. or ch

during the steel crisis the conflict with the steel executives they turned loose the fbi and the irs d for those steel executives and there was the account of a dinner that jack and bobby were at with some of the people and somebody joked and said well bobby really put the squeeze on these guys with the irs and the fbi and kennedy said, oh bobby would never do that. so inclined to say of course he did. but again the cold war, life and death. he was determined to do what he needs to do to defend the country. >> we saw the cia excesses and attempted assassinations that led to the church commission as well. >> jeff we will never know, i don't think we will ever know whether bobby and the president knew about castro assassination plots. schlesinger, arthur schlesinger was of course a great defender of kennedy and he said oh he didn't know the cia went wild and i don't know that's true. maybe the president didn't know what did he call the? deniability, plausible deniability and maybe bobby knew and that i don't know. there are things there that we will never find out and they don't want yo

. >> is there any fear or thought or moves being made by other government agents like the irs? indeed, the nsa is passing that data off to the dea, the irs and local law enforcement and essentially laundering the information. the irs looks at the data and then issues another warrant so you would never know they got it from the nsa. >> both agencies are looking at it at the same time? >> yep, the nsa gets it a and passes it to the irs and gets the same data. >> this is about the technology and the law keeping up with each other. was this done when we had the wires or is this new? >> it's new. when law enforcement wanted to get your information they would have to get it all individually. now they can get it all and sort through it completely. >> now when we were on the wire net back in the days of yore, we had the information. what stopped the government from getting the information and looking at it when they wanted to look at it? >> well, the storage has gotten smaller. all of your communications go through a small level of companies. once the nsa gets on that wire, they can ge