>> the irs got about $50 million to do just a study of what it would take for the irs to create a taxorm. the first thing i would say is pretax is available to all americans whether it is us or our competitors. from an availability of free software, it is already available. i think secondly, we are big advocates for the consumer. they know the story of their life better than anyone else when it comes to reductions for their taxes. they know the story better than anybody else. we will have to let the consumer decide what is most important in terms of where they want the irs to focus. is it about the refund experience or creating tax software? it is a nonevent because free tax software is already available to all americans. this could yet be another free tax software so that is the way we see it. >> you had been planning ahead -- that said, you have to be planning ahead. do you think this is something that could come to fruition? >> we are not. if you look at the last nine years, we served over 113 million consumers that have filed their taxes for completely free. it really doesn't chan

irs agents takes the overall number of irs agents to the 166,000 compared that to the 20000 border agents. you just think about these are the priorities. although have corruption in plain sight have got to get your take on the rate on president trump's property. former president trump given the go-ahead for the justice department to unseal the warrant for this week's raid on trent six. d.o.j. searching for materials related to nuclear weapons. forgive me if i do not believe the "washington post" given the fact they lied to us for four years about the russia collusion live. president trump came out and called that a hoax. he is drawing parallels to the nuclear story. he is drawing parallels to the steele dossier. here's what his attorney had to say, watch this. hooks they are not on solid ground. they had to come up with something that would potentially terrify the american public into freely giving up their constitutional freedoms. if we are on the verge of nuclear war, giving up the nuclear codes maybe it is acceptable. >> that is just extraordinary and senator, what you make of all of this? >> you know, maria, this plenty of great people who work for the fbi and have worked for the

the irs more money than the entire budget of our marine corps. i've got to tell you, i would much rather have 87,000 new marines than i would 87,000 new irs bureaucrats. [applause] so, it is not just about the way they enforce the law against republicans and conservatives. it is also how they don't enforce the law out in the streets across our country. remember, the blm riots from a couple of summits ago -- summers ago? mostly peaceful protests? as people stood in front of burning buildings? the biden-garland department of justice has brought almost no charges against those rioters and arsonists, people who were attacking federal courthouses and other federal buildings, who were laying siege to them and attacking federal law-enforcement officers, like the deputy marshals that were defending those courthouses. democrats excuse it. look at what they do at local levels. the elect radical prosecutors, who refuse to enforce the law. sometimes, the locals wise up to it. in san francisco, of all places, they just recalled one of these radical prosecutors. someone who was one of the first prosecutors funded by george soros to try to take over law enforcement in america. what happens in a lot of

about the 87,000, particularly those wielding guns, i'm more worried about the lowest learners behind them. the fact is that the irs has already weaponnized repeatedly and we've proven it and no one got fired. louis is enjoying her life and she's a criminal at the election commission and criminal at the irs and there's no price because she's a democrat criminal. kennedy: is there any chance the inflation reduction act, reduction, the opposite of reduce, any chance that fails in the house? darrell: i believe every single republican will just vote know. if they all vote no, every democrat sans one or two would have to vote yes. do i think we can stop it? i any nancy pelosi would keep the vote open for five day ifs she got all the votes. if every republican shows up and votes yes, then we can hold them accountable for 87,000 irs agents for taking away your liberty, for increasing your taxes, and quite frankly for breaking promises that many of them made not to do exactly this. kennedy: yes, and nancy's son gets to enrich himself in taiwan with the shady deals. little hunter jr.. congressman issa, thank you for being here, appreciate it. >> thank you, kennedy. thanks for going for libert

the most striking of terms. we've actually got a party that is threatening riots in the street. we've got a water that's trying to gin their base up to commit violence against irs agents talking about shooting people. as joe biden said, you can't be for law enforcement if you don't defense law enforcement, that's getting the hell beaten out of them on january 6. i know there's this debate that's been raging over whether or not police officers were killed as a result of january 6th or died as a result of january 6th. you talk to the family members, and they will tell you, yes, yes, january 6th is what caused their loved ones in uniform to die. and, now, of course, we take it to the fbi agents as joe biden said, fbi agents and their families now being threatened. and it is republicans calling the fbi and law enforcement officers the gestapo. calling them wolves. saying they're coming to get them. that they want to eat american. it's really bizarre. and lindsey graham talking about republican riots in the streets. donald trump amplifying that on his social media platform. and that's what joe biden is asking. what the hell is going on out there with these people? >> yeah. he's stepping

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got audited. how did that work? i just hope it's not weaponized. >> i have no idea. because when you sit in the white house, you do not spend anytime talking to the irs about any of thatve i don't flknow >> steve's got a question, too >> i think you guys are talking about an important macro issue the fiscal side, jason, is kind of getting a pass in this inflation fight right here the act that was just passed had the deficit reduction on the back half. but if you were to say what could the administration do now reduce n reduce inflation t co, it could reducing deficits right now. >> it's uncertain and things in the economy are pushing every which direction. you need a nimble technocratic authority like the fed but fiscal policy could be making their job easier with more deficit reduction hard to imagine politically what the next round of deficit reduction would look like. >> it would help we had a debate last time on "squawk box" that some fed officials say they saw i brought a chart, about whether productivity in the economy is going up or down my chart is productivity for the worker and shows it going up, and we're doing more gdp right now with fewer workers why is p

about even an engineer, what do those people have? they get a salary, maybe they have some interest, maybe they have a brokerage account, right? they've got a w-form the irswould be good for people to go google people. accounts offshore, partnerships. this is who think oar going after, wealthy people hiding money overseas, also giving the irs a chance to go toe to toe with big companies now, we need to talk about what republicans are thinking >> joe -- >> you gave him a lot of time. >> chuck, hang on for a second i understand joe, you can respond and we'll let chuck respond. >> well, look, this is a big mistake. the law suggests it's only going to target those making 400,000 or more, that's simply not true. it says no such thing. we know that in the past these audits have disproportionately targeted those earning less than $50,000 in reported adjusted gross income we know our budget office has said it's going to attack small proprietorships. that's why they've estimated it's going go a real tax hike for those earning under $75,000 a year those earning between 50,000 and $75,000 a year will see a tax hike under $50,000, the average person will see $1,100 i

the hashtags but they got hundreds of thousands of views. there are conspiracy theories about the january 6 hearings, about hugh there is an army of irs agentst how monkeypox is deployed to limit in-person voting. i mean, none of this is true. but if you are a young person, you are just developing your political identity, you are a fan of an influencer who is pushing ideology who sponsors they are not forced to disclose, you haven't been trained to fact check, how would you know any better. >> and people are spending so much time on tiktok. i have three little kids and my middle son was showing me some tiktok videos about kamala harris that were completely untrue and manipulated just the other day and that was -- that kind of stuff, i mean, i don't understand yes even gowhy he ev got it or it came into his feed, but it was alarming. how does tiktok address the misinformation problem? because these are videos, right? so it is not like texts. it is a different -- the moderating must be different here. >> it is difficult. the researchers i've talked to have said that tiktok is trying to address the problem. they have removed hundreds of thousan

straight aheadatat, after weaponizes in the doj by thedo administration is now about to use the irs to come after you. they're lying and saying they're not. we've got the evidence to prove that they're wrongro you. j and where do you see, by the way, we have joe biden. we got pretty disturbing tape straight ahead. here we are at one world observatory, what i call the freedom tower. we all remember where we were on 9/11. i got a call from my iowa army national guard captain. we need to know where everyone is . just remember the principal announcing what was going on was two thousand nine hundred seventy seven . i think, rob , you gave your body for our country for the combat engineer in the marine corps. i lost the game of cat and mouse that i was playing with ieds and the ied found me and glad i still have the opportunity to honor those that gave that ultimate sacrifice. my husband was killed in the line of duty not knowing what to do and how i was going to raise these children was so heavy on my heart until frank siller, who made a promise to me over the phone that i no longer i was no longer alone. you have given your legs to a country, your eyes

in the sort of the search warrant they've immediately done a segment about inflation reduction act and the hiring of those 87,000 irs agents, and some have gone as far as saying they gotout that critique for the people. there are examples of this happening in the past and it wasn't that long ago where the right-wing media led by fox news was sticking up this idea of an invasion from this caravan coming through the south and that it was a sort of secret cabal that was orchestrating and funding it, and then what happened? the right-wing media viewer got so worked up that he started mailing bombs to people? to major news outlets to try to stop and thwart that caravan, and then a decade ago they actually had a militarized standoff with the federal government over the bundy guy, where he did not want to pay his bill for grazing on federal land, and he started a foreign posse. fox news held him up as a hero, and people literally started going -- taking up positions to defend and protect bundy from -- just a bill. they knew what they were doing. they were sort of doing it on purpose. that was an example of them stoking that anti government sentiment, and it led to real destr

the numbers continue to go up. we're not even accounting in these numbers for the got-aways. they're talking about in their inflation reduction act wanting to staff up, to beef up the irsme staff our way to help us do our job a little better? >> i think the answer is simple. they're not trying to solve this problem. they're creating the problem. they announced on day one, biden announced on day one there would be no deportation. they have done everything they could to tell the cartels bring as many people to the border as you can and we'll take them and you send them where we want to send them this is a partnership. they're not trying to stop it. they would love to see even more and that's the problem that we have on the border. jackie: yeah. governor abbott, just tweeting that he will continue to send migrants elsewhere until somebody responds in some meaningful way to this problem, attorney general. and you know, i don't blame him, of a dealing with the crime, of a dealing with the drugs crossing over the border, of a dealing with the humanitarian crisis that we continuously talk about, there is only so much each state on the border can take at this point? >> yeah. a

elizabeth: the other thing too is, you talked about this, democrats got $80 billion, 80 billion in their inflation reduction act for tens of thousands of new irstle guy and small businesses. when half a trillion, half a trillion, about $500 billion of pandemic fraud flew out the door, that everyone has to pay for. so again they audit people on the one hand and then they're going to not do anything about pandemic fraud? you know what i mean? it is jobless benefits fraud. it was pandemic jobless benefits fraud. it was ppp loans and more. >> yeah. it's absurd. they're constantly going after the little guy because the little guy is the easy target for big government. we know the bigger government gets the more it wants you to be dependent on it. why they continue to grow these big government programs. if you look around america today, nearly 20 million american families are behind on the electric bill. they don't need a irs audit on top of it. that is assuming we've done something wrong. that is what big government does, it doesn't trust us, the people. they are quick to turn a blind eye to people like hillary clinton, hunter biden, everyone else

the 1. 6 dollar billion dollar gift, would anybody know about it? >> this happened last year but for a irs form that one of our investigators, kasey dillon got a hold,ngs, we wouldn't know anything. it's just dark money. and it's darkest. >> this is tax free? >> that's unbelievable. 1. 6 billion dollar -- on the south side of chicago -- and's up in the ownership of an irish company and nobody in the whole deal pays any capital gains on any of it. leonard leo has 1. 6 billion in his political pocket to play with. >> thank you. latest flooding in texas has claimed at least one life. that's next. football, housewives, football, housewives, football, housewives... whoops. oh no... the housewives are on the field. i repeat, the housewives are on the field. i just want to talk! yeah! who flips a table? get your tv together with the best of live and on demand. call 1-800-directv bubbles bubbles so many bubbles! as an expedia member you earn points on your travels, and that's on top of your airline miles. so you can go and see... or taste or do absolutely nothing with all those bubbles. without ever wondering if you're getting the most out of your trip. bec

the $1.6 billion gift, would anybody know about it? >> reporter: this happened last year, anderson. but for an irs form that one of our investigators, casey dolan, got we wouldn't know a thing. it's just dark money at its darkest. >> and this is tax-free? >> reporter: that's unbelievable. a $1.6 billion electrical devices company on the south side of chicago trades hands twice, right? ends up in the ownership of an irish company, and nobody in the whole deal pays any capital gains on any of it. leonard leo has $1.6 billion in his political pocket to play with. >> drew griffin, appreciate it. >>> coming up, the latest on the massive flooding in texas that's now claimed at least one life. cnn's ed lavandera joins us next from dallas. (silence) ♪ (upbeat music) ♪ (♪ ♪) (♪ ♪) real luxury, real connection. discover intuitive technology at the lexus golden opportunity sales event. (♪ ♪) in a recent clinical study, patients using salonpas patch reported reductions in pain severity, using less or a lot ss oral pain medicines. and improved quality olife. ask your doctor about salonpas. it's good medicine. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ welcome to my digestive system. i

are talking about here are the special agents who work within the criminal investigations element of the irs. right now it's a relatively small operation. it's about 2,000 of them. they have got group obviously along with everything else apparently that the irs is going to do. now, these special agents have really unique abilities. unchallenged abilities to collect tax data and financial information. oftentimes in support of larger criminal investigations. but, much like everything else, the government does, the messaging is off. do you really need your job posting to say welling to use deadly force to collect your tax data? >> brian: yes. >> ainsley: especially after everything that's happened this week, the spokesperson for the irs is denying that it was ever deleted. the posting was there yesterday morning. and then we couldn't find it yesterday afternoon. it's back up right now. we were able to find it right before we had you on. and this is what the spokesperson says: the irs criminal investigation special agent job announcement continues to be open on u.s.a. jobs and has not -- was not taken down. u.s.a. jobs is where these positions are posted and where applicants are

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the new city hall meeting. you got to pay for city hall, you need to write more tickets on the highway. it's about to be that with the irs. they need to audit more, go get more, because we gave you more people. remember, this is the inflation reduction act. i've yet to figure out how americans getting more audits reduces inflation, but as advertised this is going to bring down the cost of groceries, this is going to bring down the cost of gas by more people getting audited by the irs. one of the other interesting plans in this bill to reduce inflation is to force more americans to join a union. now, i have to tell you, i have no angst against unions. unions are a choice. those individuals should be able to choose to join a union, be part of collective bargaining. that's an american right and privilege. let me say this, 10.3% of the american workforce is union. 10.3%. the energy portion of this bill, which is billions and billions and billions of dollars, in the energy portion of this bill unions get billions of dollars, nonunion workers get nothing. so if you work in the energy sector right now, and you're not a union em

the irs posting they put out last week. they quickly removed once people got upset about it.ve to be willing to use deadly force. you know, there are these polls out saying, you hear in the mainstream media, they say, well, most americans are for this, they think it is good. it always depends how you ask a question. if you ask whether or not you are in favor of a bigger irs that will in fact target a lot of people in the middle class, i'm sure they say no? >> of course. of course. you know, again, at the end of the day look at what is happening in washington and these guys are pushing out an agenda nobody is asking for. $700 billion of new printed money. all that is going to do again expand the inflation problem we've already got in our nation. it is so sad these are people, i mean i feel like they should be arrested because they're spending our children and our grandchildren's money without their permission. they are saddling them with debt. david: jimmy, good luck to you. let me know what happens. that is interesting. taking a on big kahuna, the irs. >> david, you're the be

the annual irs budget. >> cheryl: timing of this entire package ahead of midterm is raising eyebrows. president biden is was thinking about it in kentucky. >> president biden: because of a number of things we gotsis like billion 200 million infrastructure project, like what we passed yesterday, taking care of everything from healthcare to god knows what else. >> cheryl: i mean, under 80 days, voting in the midterm, they have seen the polling and they are thinking this is a gift to voters out there. i think a lot of things are backfiring right now. >> carley: 80 billion in taxpayer to shake down taxpayers, what could go wrong? thank you so much, we appreciate you. >> todd: today is primary day for pivotal midterm match ups in minnesota, scott genson expected to carry a november clash with governor tim walts. in wisconsin, former lieutenant governor was endorsed by mike pence, going head-to-head with michaels. >> carley: battling for a chance to unseat richard bluementhal. >> we -- scope of the reach of government of the united states is beyond the constitutional limits. >> in vermont, governor patrick lehey's seat begins, malshgsz loy headlining today's primary. >> todd: the deep state is tryin

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about this a. got a new poll i'll share with you shows. 45% ofcr the country fears the irs will increase the number of audits, according to the cnbc, which is thec, business network, the second best financial experts are predictingng the bill will spark a more audits for small business bother cd don't complaining about thatom on social media. instagram is now flagging postsa that warn aboutbo new audits. dana loesch is a radio host, knows about guns, hopefully not about audits, but i think weig all have to get used to that, dana.htand right. do you understand this line? they havee now, brian , you make some great points and you know, you were talking about spending 80 billion dollars on adding all of these new agents. i mean, we could have a establisheddd a national grant o put as our roads and schools, but apparently it's washington values going after middle class taxpayers more so than they value protecting our children schools. so that's another that's another greatmidd thing that they could have spentct money on . but this this deflection that they're not ng going to be going after people makin

maria: well, it's also the politicization of all of these agencies, the irs about to get 87,000 additional irs agents, everybody should get ready for and ad it and you've got raided a former president's house and doj has until noon today to release that redacted affidavit. what do you think we will see? >> well, that's the good question, what will we see? will they even abide by the demands of the judge and, you know, is it so redacted that we are not going to be able to tell anything, but this is -- puts it back into the hands of congress. we have to use the power of the purse that the constitution gives us, the 87,000 irs agents, we need to defund those immediately. look, i don't know that the irs is going to be able to hire that many, we can't get federal employees in some of the agencies to come back to work that are already hired because they are using the pandemic as an excuse and we need to fund them and hold the fbi accountable. look, there's a lot that can be done but congress has to act like congress according to power that was given to it by the constitution and we can rein this stuff in. look, the inflation, it's all bad policy, we can reverse

ire from the mayor of new york, mayor of d.c. they want federal funding, they want the national guard. tell us about that. >> it's making my day. it's pure hypocrisy. i've gotr hem, they haven't yet seen the fullness of what we're busing up there. we're going to be adding thousands upon thousands more to washington, d.c. and to new york. maria: coming up, exclusive new video from my trip to the southern border this week as the texas department of public safety analyzes and tests thousands of pounds of illegal drugs that were seized at the wide open border and are now killing americans. former trumped a visor steven miller on the politics -- stephen miller on the politics of the fbi and the dereliction of duty at the border. then, the crime spiking on our streets. >> savage criminals are being released on cashless bail to continue their violent rampages against the united states of america. entire communities are being torn to. >> reds with stabbings -- sleds with with stabbings, shootings, stanking s, rapes and murders. maria: president trump discussing the crime spike, even an attack on gubernatorial candidate lee zeldin two weeks ago. the congressman is h

i've got mainstream americans, two in the same day, talking about civil war and revolution and overthrowing the u.s. government because irsng to their house with ar-15s. i mean, this is the stakes. this is -- by the way, nobody else is spreading this. the republican party is spreading this right now. they're putting, not only federal employees at risk, but you look at the pictures of oklahoma city and see who else died in that blast. that's what is at stake here. by the way, i was in congress during oklahoma city. i saw the criness that led up to it. we're there again. >> wow. >> yeah, there are people, by the way, joe, you're talking about mainstream republicans worried about this thing. but people who are focused on action, they talk about the oklahoma city bombing. they talk about that as an awakening for them and a blueprint. that's more on the militia and extreme far-right spaces. but they do, they talk about that as a model for them because, other than the whole, you know, bombing millions of americans -- not millions, but hundreds of americans thing, that was, to them, protest. that's the scary part of this entire

about what the fbi did and why they did it. you keep pushing and we will get somewhere. thanks for joining us. now let's move to the irs facing scrutiny. they gotwhy? >> they are being targeted and we ask for information about that and have not heard back from them. the irs commissioner ordered security review of the agency's 600 facilities, something that hasn't been done in 30 years. in a message to employees the commissioner is saying this, there has been an abundance of misinformation and social media posting some of them with threats directed at the irs and its employees. we are aware of these concerning missions -- messages, your safety is and will continue to be my top priority. we asked the irs for info and we did not get anything back and this coming as republicans rally criticize expansion of the irs, 87,000 new agents, doubling of the budget, the cbo says this will result in a $20 billion in new tax collections mainly for low and middle income americans and there's a decrying of what republicans are saying, the washington post had this story first, they talked about kevin mccarthy, houseman or leader describing weapons available to i

about the irs. and if the irs hase an issue with any of you can message me on twitter at greg gutfeld . just reach right out. to i owed s you one . i got to stick up for you. kill me. here's the thing, okay? at the time my son lincoln wasln born, as you know, we have one kid. the state would never letd us have two. but at the time my son lincoln was born, i was driving a taxi and doing stand up comedy and i had pretty high fuel expenses between driving on the road as a comic and driving as a cabbie. soon the irs called me and is a guy who had declared about twenty thousand dollars worth of income and said there's nour way you're surviving on this little money. youtle must be working some type of an end around with these gas receipts. but i actually had the receipts and didn't wind up w owing them a lot of money. but the pointhem is , yes, thee always going to go after the little guy, brian , becausef we're a pinata. if you hit us with a letter inng the mail, money is going to t come out w because we can't figt back . if you hit a rich person a lawyer is going to come out, g an accountant is going to comed out and that's why they're alw

maria: do you agree with this take that it's about to go beast mode for the irs given all of that money earmarked for the irs? >> maria, you've gotthe tune of $200 billion. that must be one of the considerations. two, the irs is so inefficient they haven't been able to collect the money. or three, they have come up with a plug number to justify the massive spending bill. i think it's number three. with this many agents being hired, i think they're coming after all of us. that's got to be the plan. i don't think the squeeze is worth the juice as they say. this will be very distracting to the american public. i think it's a gimmick to justify a big number of taxes that they won't be able to collect. i don't think americans are cheating to the extent that the legislator whose drafted this seems to suggest. maria: the last time we spoke about this was during the build back better negotiations, we talked about joe biden wanting to see every transaction, $600 or more. and i know that they lifted that number. is that what we're looking at, this president and the democrats want to see every transaction, 6 help dollars or -- $600 or more

about $80 billion to irs enforcement, griff. people over $400,000 have an army of accountants and lawyers working for them and they're coming after the middle class here in america and exactly what they've got to do. they've got a spending problem and where are they coming? to the middle class. griff: i'm not sure if you were able to hear lucas tomlinson, he played the sound bite of president biden saying basically mark my words, a george h.w. words reference, that taxes will not be raised on anyone making $400,000 or less. do you believe that is a moment that president biden will regret? >> i think he's going to regret it and all the analysis shows taxes will go up, prices go up and everyone is going to be impacted through the chain and vast majority on the middle class here. griff: senator, let's talk about the jobs report and sort of fold it into the of conversation about american's feeling pain. jobs are up and unemployment is down and debate whether we're in recession. where do you see, i mean, what's your reaction to this jobs report and where do you see the economy heading in the next 60 days? >> what the jobs reports tells us is that the labor market is tightening and people are com

got to stop this. you sought doug ducey in the morning trying to confront the police on television. that is really dramatic ship towards let's focus on the irs and stop talking about law enforcement. what is your read on how republicans in washington, d.c. are engaging the potential political consequences of continuing down the roads that they were raising down for the first three days this week and that some of them are slowing down a little bit, right now, in terms of attacking federal law enforcement in these ways. >> yeah. that is a smart perception, john. clearly some of the more veteran leaders of the republican party, mitch mcconnell is among them they have been rather circumspect in their comments about what happened this week with frump in the fbi. it seems like they are taking the long view. they are being strategic. they are calculating that the fbi would not have searched the former presidents home in private club if they did not have something of really serious and substantial national security importance. they are not searching for it throwaway documents. they are searching for important stuff. there was a really significant step for the department o

about weaponnizing and using political weapons from the administration. the irs is going to get an extra $80 billion, that's part of the new spending plan. now they've got? the irs budget at $80 billion is bigger than the state department, the fbi, border patrol, the pentagon combined. and that's why it's a figure that's uncomfortable for a lot of ordinary americans. >> my concern is that the lower income people are losing out on this policy change. >> they're going after the rich and famous or they're going after the average person. >> the irs needs to be smaller, not bigger. >> there's too much bureaucracy already. lauren: so regular folks don't have the time or wealth to fight the irs so they fear that they're going to be -- that the irs is going to go after them and if you look at the latest data here and you make between $1 and $25,000, you have the most audits, 313,000. stuart: that's because of the earned income tax credit payments, which is supposedly the most corrupt of all payments going out of the government. that's why lower income people are audited frequently, if they get the earned income tax. lauren: yeah and a lot of people said they ca

about this new bill that just got recently passed. one of the problems i have with it is i don't know why we need 87,000 new irs agents.resident trump, i don't understand this because when hillary clinton, when she botched benghazi and the subpoenaed her hard drives and stuff, she bleached them, headphones broken by her staff, hard drives crossed with a hammer by her staff and the fbi never rated her -- raided her. when you all were talking about the education stuff, the man called in and was saying the problem is with the parenting. i don't know how, but for some reason, you turned that around into a racial thing and that bothers me because i agree the problem with education is we don't have parents involved in their kids. teachers are not there to raise your children, they are there to teach your children. the biggest problem we had was taking corporal punishment out of schools and allowing parents to sue school districts. thank you for the time and have a blessed day. host: i want to bring up the associated press fact-check about some claims from some republicans about the irs agents that will be hired. they say in

about this new bill that just got recently passed. one of the problems i have with it is i don't know why we need 87,000 new irs agents. raid on president trump, i don't understand this because when hillary clinton, when she botched benghazi and the subpoenaed her hard drives and stuff, she bleached them, headphones broken by her staff, hard drives crossed with a hammer by her staff and the fbi never rated her -- raided her. when you all were talking about the education stuff, the man called in and was saying the problem is with the parenting. i don't know how, but for some reason, you turned that around into a racial thing and that bothers me because i agree the problem with education is we don't have parents involved in their kids. teachers are not there to raise your children, they are there to teach your children. the biggest problem we had was taking corporal punishment out of schools and allowing parents to sue school districts. thank you for the time and have a blessed day. host: i want to bring up the associated press fact-check about some claims from some republicans about the irs agents that will be hired. th