the islamic state group has-- alawite minority. the islamic state group has claimed responsibility. this is by far the worst violence to hit these 2 cities. the latest report saying almost 150 people killed. what more can you tell us? reporter: according to a monitor, the latest fertility figures 40 -- fatality figures, 48 people killed. will also go dead up. the percent either of these 2 -- first time either of these 2 cities have been attacked like this. 2 locations themselves, the same city where the russians have a naval base, and that in the southern part of the province, also where the russians have an airbase. that could be reason come part of the reason these 2 cities were targeted. of the onlyis part province in syria that has a , theity of alawites religious group, minority religious group, that bashar al-assad comes from himself. part of the reason he has such strong support in these areas. they wanted to hit bashar al-assad from his own religious group on their home territory. laura: and the syrian regime has responded and said that extremists are now targeting civilians

accusing each other of supporting the islamic state. meanwhile, the islamic state is growing. in tandem, you have the islamic state investing in libya through emissaries and advisers. we heard about the leadership of that. technical advisors, sharia courts, many of these are foreign. you then also had the foreign fighter influx. islamic state made a concerted effort to direct foreign fighters towards africa and in general. don't come to syria and iraq, come to libya. and many of these fighters are the most hardened, vicious fighters. when i was in benghazi with the libyan army forces, they said to me that the snipers and suicide bombers were all foreign. tunisians, mostly. that the checkpoint has most recently been taken. when we look at countering those on the next day really understand the case by case basis. their roots are different and different places. so, that requires a tailor-made approach in all of these areas. darna, its reputation is well known. again, the key thing there is that it ran up against this barrier of an older generation of al qaeda that pushes out. also

with the ascendancy of the islamic state in syria, some defected to the islamic group. others came back and defected later on. it was this nucleus of libya fighters that implanted the organization, announcing in the fall of 2014. at the same time you had the weakening of al qaeda groups. and this is really my next point for the catalyst was the political division of libya into the dignity dawn camp that was absolutely fundamental for giving the space for the islamic state to insert itself. these factions were so busy fighting each other, they were using the islamic state of demon oozing their supporters and meanwhile the islamic state is growing. in tandem, you had the islamic state investing in libya, through -- technical advisers, shariah courts, many of these are foreign. the islamic state made an effort to redirect foreign fighters, don't come to syria and iraq, come to libya. and many of these fighters are the most hardened, the most vicious fighters. when i was in benghazi with the libyan army forces there, they said to me that the snipers, the suicide bombers wer

meanwhile, the islamic state is growing. in tandem, you have the islamic state investing in libya through emissaries and advisers. we heard about the leadership of the technical advisors, sharia courts, many of these are foreign. you also had the foreign fighter influx. islamic state made a concerted effort to direct foreign fighters towards africa and in general. don't come to syria and iraq, come to libya. many of these fighters are the most hardened. when i was in benghazi with the libyan army forces, they said to me that the snipers and suicide bombers were all foreign, that they were facing tunisians mostly. when we look at countering those -- countering the islamic state, we have to think about it on a case-by-case basis. that requires a tailor-made approach in all of these areas. s reputation isa' well known. the key thing there is that it ran up against this barrier of an older generation of al qaeda that pushed it out. also the tribal element. the very factionalism that allows the islamic state to assert itself into

the islamic state group exploiting the chaos in libya. al qaeda and that group are accused of exploiting the chaos in yemen where the civil war has been raging for over a year. peace talks between the hootie rebels and the saudi backed government ongoing. the u.n. says thousands of people have been killed and 2.8 million displaced by the fighting. >> only a handful of journalists showed up for sunday's press conference. for nearly a month, negotiators have been gathering in kuwait, trying to strike a deal between the fighters and the government. progress. made reality.is far from it began in july of 2014. peopleil has killed 6400 and displaced 3 million people. rebels and troops loyal to the marked by anent, international coalition led by saudi arabia. both sides accuse one another of violating the u.n. peace accord in april. >> they are hitting us with heavy weaponry. >> the city in the east of the country has been hit twice by terrorist attacks. the islamic state group claimed responsibility for both bombings. populations, militias, and

military strategy to combat the islamic state. working? the pentagon tactics for promoting innovation and figured how to soldiersocial media to and make money in the process. welcome to defense news. aitoro.l here is a look at the top headlines. turkey's prime minister resigned and a successor is expected to be named this month. he resignation amid-rising tension with the e.u. and ongoing disagreements between the prime minister and turkey president. lockheed martin continues to nuclear the portable fusion generator. rob weiss announced they are four months into more significant investment. megawatt r a 100 device to fit on the back of large truck and power city up to 100,000 people. a coalition of countries attling the islamic state in syria and iraq pledge to pour more resources into the fight. defense secretary ash carter met with the defense islamics from the jantz state coalition. he drove home the mission all deviate ore to hope to jihadists. here is the senior fellow from he foundation of defense democracy. thank you for joining us.

jim: pounding away at the self-styled islamic state in falluja. two of the offensive sought heavy bomb argument -- bombardment as ground forces pushed for the outskirts of the city. , the militants said, was filmed on the other side of the line, inside falluja . it shows their fighters defiantly holding on and hitting back. against them is the result of a huge mobilization. thousands of army and police shia militiasby and sunni tribal irregulars all massed against the militants. >> other city centers, bag dad, to the south, they all come here to kick them out. the shia militias are playing a prominent battle rule and are in a jubilant mood after the advances. one of their leaders was also upbeat. >> it is a court native plan. coordinated plan falluja. in a few days we expect to have surrounded -- we expect to have falluja surrounded. many in the south are being used as human shields. jim: the frontline has advanced and they are seeing troops and militias being pushed toward the town being defended by, at most, a few thousand militants. also there a

so missy we know isis is the islamic state in iraq and syria. and where did it begin to settle in libya? >> the islamic state in libya really became a powerful force in 2015 and it was established with a combination of individuals sent by the islamic state parent group in iraq and syria, and then pulling from the sort of hodgepodge of militant groups, disenfranchised people who haven't fared well in the post revolution era in libya itself. so it is a mix of foreigners and libyans and really established a stronghold in sirte. and while the islamic state is mall smaer in libya and that iraq and syria, it seems like the most powerful affiliate by the u.s. and its allies. >> you reported the u.s. special operations has been in libya in two different locations, two different outpost this past year and they are the small contact teams, i believe is how you wrote about it. can you explain what that means and what their mission is. >> sure. it's really an assessment mission. it isn't so unusual, the united states has small special operations presences i

if the mission succeeds, it would take fallujah back from the islamic state group for the first time in over two years. our correspondent has the details. >> it is a battle for fallujah. this video, taken by the iraqi army, appears to show government troops and shiite militias just outside the city, where they claim they have captured a weaponss shipment bound for islamic state fighters. kilometersust 50 west of baghdad, was the first city to fall into jihadist hands two years ago. >> our troops are ready to fight the extremists and morale is high. the elite troops and counterterrorism forces are ready to storm the city of fallujah and purge it from the islamic state group. we are waiting for orders to storm the city. theave a fighting over weekend has forced 3000 people to flee the city, and it is believed 50,000 are still trapped there with limited access to food and clean water. asorts to retain fallujah, peshmerga forces have launched offensives. they have managed to capture nine villages in the area. >> the importance of liberating the villages is that it is a first step getting

brian: the trend is breaking against the islamic state. and syria was much more of a stronghold. there could be a new offensive coming. islamic state is feeling military pressure. that is why they are reacting with the strikes. also in baghdad. katty: president obama has lifted a 50-year-old ban on u.s. weapons trade with vietnam. in a bid to counterbalance the strength of china in that region. he called a lingering vestige of the cold war. president came here to bury historical and to cement what would once have seen in a possible friendship. the war that killed millions of vietnamese and nearly 60,000 americans and ended with a humiliating american withdrawal 41 years ago. it is no longer an obstacle. hands with vietnam's president in front of the statue of ho chi minh. the man who once symbolized resistance to u.s. power. it is the rising power of vietnam's neighbor china has brought these enemies together. announcing an end to the embargo. is fullye states lifting the ban on the military embargo to vietnam but has been in place for som

crests, thug, and dictator, what i call the islamic mafia and we can only defeat them if we take back the managemental of the islam. >> the idea of the islamic stated idea. >> born to a family, asra nomani came to the united states and grew up. >> it's a bad idea for the 21st century and a bad idea for the christians and muslims and jews who dot no want to live according to the strict interpretation of islam and it's a bad idea for women. >> her goal became a very personal one after the attacks on 9/11. >> i worked for "the wall street journal." my colleague came to visit me. he went off for an interview from which he was then kidnapped and murdered by men who practice this interpretation of islam that is very much the ideology of the islamic state today and what i realized very personally is that it's my duty as a muslim, it's my duty to stand up against the ideology of extremism. >> today she's a member of the muslim reform movement started by dr. zuhdi jasser. >> it started in 2015. a group of us muss limes stood together with this declaration and what we're trying to do is be the change we want to see in the world. what we assert here is the i

we have not seen the islamic state doing attacks because they were worried about building the islamicte. now the state is collapsing, they have to keep the propaganda going. to maintain relevance, they attack baghdad. katty: specifically targeting shiite members of the community to drive a wedge between sunnis and shiites? they seem to be succeeding. >> after the end of the day they are genocidal. katty: the white house said it is time for the iraqi governments to work effectively for all iraqis. the political consequences of the breakdown of the iraqi government. they do not seem to be doing it. the sunnis persuade and the shiites. >> there are having trouble reaching out to sunni citizens. it is issues of capacity. doing things like securing citizens against bombs. there is still using magic wands that they were scammed by. they're not investing in real bomb detection technologies to keep these events from happening. katty: what are the chances that the prime minister can consolidate the political games that need to be made? >> slim in the coming year or two. he will stumble through

the united states gets. >> those here who are looking at the islamic state are looking is -- the french sources, the french intelligence also are telling us that libya is a very sensitive country, the islamic states, is now an infrastructure in libya, part of libya, are dominated by the islamic state and they believe that if it was a terrorist attack, the symbol of the preseason was carefully chosen. why? the plane was coming from first, you know that france has been hit by the islamic state, and then egypt, it's something that the islamic state does not want, and libya has this war with egypt. and investigations at this moment and the french intelligence, it could have been the perfect target, if it's confirmed that it's a terrorist attack. >> and again i think we should continue to drive this point home, again, it's very early in the investigation, we don't know whether this was something that was terrorist related, although a number of officials have indicated they do believe it is. if it does turn out to be terror, if it does turn out to be another isis attack, what then does that mean for us in the un

it is a night of tense watching and waiting as war with the islamic state group appears to be escalating on two fronts tonight-- in syria and in iraq. isis militants are advancing in syria, in what the syrian observatory for human rights says is the group's biggest offensive in two years near syria's border with turkey. isis also gained ground today near the northern syrian city of aleppo, fighting rebel forces who oppose syrian president bashar al-assad. various rebel groups are backed by the u.s., turkey, and saudi arabia. more than 160,000 civilians are reportedly trapped in those towns. but in iraq, isis finds itself on the defensive. for the sixth day in a row, iraqi government forces, backed by american airstrikes, battled isis militants in and around fallujah, which is less than 40 miles from baghdad. the iraqi government insisted it is on the verge of launching a sweeping ground campaign to retake the city. isis seized fallujah two years ago and it remains, after mosul, the second-biggest iraqi city still under their control. more than 50,000 residents are said to be trapped by t

the area around the city is dominated by the militant of the atlantic state -- islamic state. >> libyaas plunged into turmoil after an international coalition took over dictator in 2011. the when imposed an arms embargo to keep weapons from falling into the hands of extremists. u.s. secretary of state john kerry said world power was will now push for an exception to that embargo to help the unity government defend itself. >> the united states stands ready and the unit -- international community stands ready to provide humanitarian, economic, and a security support to the new libyan government on their request. we're not talking about troops and boots and that kind of intervention. we continue right now to assess the isolationism that takes place in working to determine the best way forward to help libya. >> the german foreign minister said doing more to prevent weapons from entering the country illegally was just as important as arming the government. >> the permanent members of the un security council are pushing for a resolution to make it easier for us to monitor and prevent arms be

the islamic state has actually delivered it. they have built a state in syrian iraq and it's electrified the young people in jihadist community. >> it's a message which is simple to understand. these are golden days. and you don't want to be on the sideline in these golden days of building the caliphate. you want to be part of it. >> what they're also selling is the lure of adventure. >> it's the kind of stuff i was interested in as a young man. having an adventure, fighting for a noble cause. >> here you see the fighters taking you from the point of view of the gun, from the camera point of view, taking you through the trenches. it's almost like a video game. it's like halo. you're with them in this game. >> in fact, they have a recruiting poster, and the isis guys say, this is our "call of duty," and we respond in paradise. >> this is like the movie "300." what they're telling you is that you can be part of this. you can be the superstar of this game, the superstar of this movie in real life. >> so how successful is this online

is there a role that the united states needs to constructively engage in relation to egypt itself and sisi's government and the fight against the islamic state? >> they could have, should have, three years ago, and we discuss this again on your show. the obama administration actually sided with the muslim brotherhood, with the clinton state department since 2011 in egypt. it's not a secret, egyptians are always frustrated about this issue. yes the administration can at this point change direction and start partnering much better strategically with the government, with the president sisi and the government. this is very important if we want to put together an arab coalition against isis. we see a weakened egypt instead of a stronger egypt. lou: dr. walid phares, thank you so much. >> thank you, lou. lou: we're coming right back. a lot more to cover, stay with us as we do so. we'll be right back. >>> voter trust in donald trump is rising dramatically. >> what i want to do is make america great again, and i add to it and it's called america first. lou: lee carter and doug schoen next on trump's message and his path to the white house. >>>

airpower pushed the islamic state out of here. s said they killed around 300 terrorists in the two day offensive. this is what it takes to claim a city back from the islamic state. there is nothing left. any direction you walk, all you find is more destruction. one street after another. an entire city literally in ruins. we walked the shattered streets of the yezidi heartland with father patrick desbois, who was on his fourth trip to iraq. he told us what isis didn't destroy, kurdish forces leveled as they fought their way in. >> father patrick desbois: i asked the peshmerga, they told me it was the only way to make isis go. the only way to make them go is to destroy the city. >> logan: the only way to defeat them? >> father desbois: yeah, it's terrible. >> logan: father desbois has been studying the minds and methods of mass murderers like hitler most of his life and he'd come here to investigate the genocide of the yezidis by isis, an organization more sophisticated than he expected. >> father desbois: it's not easy to manage you

air power pushed the islamic state out of here. hey killed 300 terrorists in the two-day offensive. this its whs what it takes. there its nothing left. any direction you walk all you find is more destruction. one street after another. an entire city literally in ruins. we walked the shattered streets of the yizidi heartland. who was on his fourth trip to iraq. he told us what isis didn't destroy, kurdish forces leveled as they fought their way in all. haw i asked the peshmerga, the only we to make them go out. only way to make isis go out is destroy the city. >> reporter: only way t them. >> reporter: the father has been studying the mind and method of mass murderers like hitler most of his life. he had come here to investigate the genocide of the yizidis by isis. an organization more sophisticated than he expected. >> not able to manage terrorism, genocide, in same territory. hitler it took for him a long time before doing all of that. and, yizidis they did so quickly. >> reporter: does the speed frighten you? >> yeah, frightening.

the country's growth. it's also a threat to europe. and especially neighboring states. we've seen the islamicte in libya plot attacks against neighboring tunisia. >> woodruff: so let's back off a little bit here and go back to the role of the united states. you just mentioned nato. what does this mean? the u.s. was out of libya, then it was in, out. where is the u.s. right now in libya? >> well, the u.s. is really behind this new unity government in tripoli. and they are obviously to used-- focused on the islamic state threat. i think more broadly the u.s. wants to insure that this government succeeds. that we don't repeat the mistakes we made after the fall of qaddafi. but the first priority is protecting this government and then helping it fight the islamic state. and i think that's going to be done through some training, through assistance, through the lifting of the arms embargo as we heard. >> woodruff: but we heard secretary kerry say the u.s. is going to be arming the right government. but we also heard the general say it's not clear which group is which, on which side. how confusing i

faiths over time, some christianity, some islamic, but they have maintained their own identity and what's different about the yazidi people is the islamic state targeted them for annihilation. they wanted to erase their culture, their history, their people from the face of the earth. so when they went into the heartland of the yazidi people, they had that specific purpose in mind. they knew what they were doing. they weren't phoning each other and saying where do we take them to kill them? they had a plan. they systematically brought all the people to the kind of building they recognize, like an administration building, a school, something like that, something that was big that could house a lot of people. they separated the men, the women, the children. they killed most of the men, but as father dubois says, everyone had a purpose for them. if you didn't have a purpose, you were killed. but they look at the children, they have a purpose for them. they have training camps waiting inside iraq and syria. they look at the women, they have a purpose for young unmarried women. they can go to be sex slaves for their fighters. you know, so there is

the rebels, last month sees a major push against the islamic state. w does this affect the ongoing efforts in afghanistan? a --: this story is quite important. the islamic state could conceivably cut off supply lines to a good part of rebel forces in northern syria. there's been a lot of fighting in that area over many months. it's very back-and-forth. a kind of mixed picture in syria at the moment. what is going on in northern syria. both battle fronts are quite important. host: charles carling in on the republican line from louisiana. charles is a member of the military. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. just a few comments. about the weapons of mass destruction, one of my , looking the military at the situation form weapons of mass destruction. while we were kicking the can down the road for six months that allowed iraq to transfer all of this nuclear technology and weapons of mass distraction had atraction, it is ran line disposal, the western has not learned the eastern mindset. ,t doesn't matter what we do you are going to break

authorities hope to get insight into the islamic state activities here. the 26-year-old refused to talk during the session. he feels he has been spied on 24 hours a day. ,his a video surveillance highly irregular and does not fall under legal framework. he does not understand it and feels he has been treated in a different way to others. it could lead to him cooperating less with judicial tories. -- judicial authorities. toly: union leaders urged call off protests against labor reform. turnout is weakening, but violence is mounting. a march took place in the capital and there were chaotic scenes. lange reports. >> the mass majority of the protest across the country were peaceful. the climate was tense in spirit. 120 9000 marched thursday. police came out in drones to prevent clashes. in ane day before, unofficial rally, hooligans attacked two officers and set their car alight. acts of violence that have become common. the movement and rallies began in march. the prime minister said trade unions should reconsider protest because they are being hijacked by v

the so-called islamic state lames responsibility. e president of brazil waits as the senate decides whether to impeach dilma rousseff. years imprisoned in north korea. kenneth bae is here to tell us his story. ♪ katty: welcome to our viewers on public television in america and around the globe. more than 90 people have been killed in baghdad during a series of bomb blasts, making it the deadliest day there this year. the so-called islamic state has taken credit for the attack that targeted shiite communities in the capital. the attack took place in a market inside the city. correspondent: carnage in seiter sadr city. da witnessing district the worst attack on the capital in months. it was rush hour. a pickup truck with explosives hidden under fruits and busyables detonated in a market. the so-called islamic state said today'sed out all of attacks, and that this one was aimed at shiite militiamen. many of the victims were women and children. are notecurity forces in control. they say they have metal detectors, where are they. how do ca

sentence. >> that's legitimate and, you know, i think i have a real message and that's the most important thing. islamic state is not bringing islam to the world, and people need to know that. >> reporter: the fbi told us mo is now incarcerated but for security reasons couldn't tell us where. the agency says mo has assisted the government in a number of ways, some of which are sensitive because they relate to ongoing investigations. lester? >> richard engel from istanbul, thanks. you can see more of richard's interview in the series "on assignment" sunday night on nbc. >>> we're back in a moment with a state where lawmakers just voted to make abortion a felony. >>> in oklahoma today, lawmakers passed a bill that would make performing an abortion a felony that would be punishable by up to three years in prison. it now goes to the governor to review and decide whether or not she will sign it. abortion rights groups say the bill is unconstitutional as row versus wade is the law of the land. >>> canada's prime minister apologized for a physical altercation as tempers flared in parliament. he is caught on camera g

service member since the coalition joined the fight against the islamic state in 2014. oke with a retired general iraqice helped train the forces. he is now at the institute for of story of war -- the study war. what we know about the death of this navy seal? >> not much, except it was a direct fire incident. it was a clash north of mosul, which was interesting. most of the preparatory work for the assault in mosul has been done from the self. one might infer from the action that isis is trying to take a counteraction in a different sector, take the pressure off some minor successes that the iraqis have been having in the south. read into, do you what does it tell us, about what american forces are doing in the fight against the islamic state? i think a lot of americans are confused as to what their troops are doing. >> they are there to assist the iraqi security forces in improving their proficiency against fighting isis. katty: some of them are near the front line. >> they are embedded. when they are embedded, they are in the fight as much as anyone else. theunfortunat

> he say they are afraid for their lives and with good reason because there are reports that the islamic stateces have been using these people as human shields against the approaching iraqi army. what are you hearing about that? we have been hearing reports that the islamic state is not allowing civilians to leave. >> the reports we are receiving in addition to the families i have been talking to, they mainly point to two factors of why people are having a hard time escaping. one, they are basically afraid of leaving their houses because they are in the middle of the crossfire, rockets and shooting everywhere. two, they are telling us that opposition groups are directly -- one woman to me that when news got out that me and my family were leaving, isis came to our doors, started beating us up and threatened us if we wanted to escape. these are the two factors. in addition, they are telling us of an extremely difficult escape with a have had to run for hours overnight waving white cloths in order to not be shot at. >> that was becky from the norwegian refugee council heard -- there is a major mi

sentence. >> that's legitimate and, you know, i think i have a real message and that's the most important thing. islamic state is not bringing islam to the world, and people need to know that. >> reporter: the fbi told us mo is now incarcerated but for security reasons couldn't tell us where. the agency says mo has assisted the government in a number of ways, some of which are sensitive because they relate to ongoing investigations. lester? >> richard engel from istanbul, thanks. you can see more of richard's interview in the series "on assignment" sunday night on nbc. >>> we're back in a moment with a state where lawmakers just voted to make abortion a felony. , the wolf was huffing and puffing. like you do sometimes, grandpa? well, when you have copd, it can be hard to breathe. it can be hard to get air out, which can make it hard to get air in. so i talked to my doctor. she said... symbicort could help you breathe better, starting within 5 minutes. symbicort doesn't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden symptoms. symbicort helps provide significant improvement of your lung function. symbicort is for copd, in

's turmoil, the islamic state in 2013. tsecent push to the west tripoli under direct islamist threats. this gaining ground came as forces in libya say they were campaigning to retake the city. finding itself under even larger threat, the government will try to stop attempts at least it forms a uniformed military command. belle: now, in an unexpected change of heart, pope francis has accepted the charl amgne prize. the catholic leader used this opportunity to appeal for greater unity within europe and a revive european humanism. >> waves of applause for an overwhelmed pope. on friday, pope francis was awarded the charlamagne prize. focusing on the plight of young people and refugees, he uses this opportunity to criticize a change of postwar european values. europe thatf a promotes and protects the rights of everyone without neglecting its duties towards all. which itf a europe of will not be, that its commitments the human rights was its last utopia. awarded for promoting unity in europe, this year's prize comes at a time wh

how do you explain that people are fleeing the islamic state? despite documented evidence of tens of thousands desperately fleeing isis, choud reclaims there are more arriving. >> the people are coming into the islamic state. by the way, we have videos of christians, i can't see eat ees embracing islam. you don't show those because it doesn't fit your agenda. >> then the flood gates open with the reasons why he says he hates us. >> freedom of expression, freedom of religion. they sound nice, where was freedom of religion and expression for people in guantanamo bay, tortured in abu ghraib, was that freedom in practice? bet you loved that, didn't you, did you hold that up as example of liberty and democracy, american way, the american life? george bush flushed it down the toilet, said we can flush it away because we are talking about terrorism. >> the united states intervened in bosnia to protect muslims, intervened in afghanistan and is supporting a government that's been elected twice biy the afghn people. >> fareed, i think you spent too much ti

choudary that people are fleeing the islamic state? >> despite tens and thousands of people desperately fleeing isis, choudary actually claims that are more arriving. >> the people are coming into the islamic state. we have videos of christians coming back from mosul, the yazidis embracing israel lawmaker. you don't show those because it doesn't fit your agenda. >> and then the flood gates open with the reasons why anjem choudary says he hates us. >> where is the freedom of religion for people in guantanamo bay? was that freedom in practice? i bet you loved that, fareed. did you hold that up as democracy, the american way, the american life? you know, george bush flushed those down the toilet. he said we can flush them away because we're talking about terrorism. >> but the united states intervened in bosnia to protect muslims. it has intervened in afghanistan and is supporting a government that has been elected twice by the afghan people. >> fareed, i think you've spent too much time in the cnn world. in the real world, the people of af

liz: with the islamic state.u know, you look at other strongholds that need to be taken back. what's the next one after fallujah if fallujah works? these things tend to fall like dominoes. >> they can. mosul, obviously, is one of them, and you've got forces surrounding mosul. fallujah's very close to baghdad, the capital. it's like the distance between washington and baltimore. mosul is one of them, there is a base near the turkish border that's very important and then, of course, raqqa which is in syria and that is, for all intents and purposes, the capital of the islamic state. at a certain point, that also has to be taken if you want to severely damage if not defeat isis, isil, the islamic state, call it what you will. liz: cliff may is founder and president of the foundation of defense of democracy. folks, the dow has lost nearly all of its gains in just the last 22 minutes. we're up only seven points. the s&p has turned negative. we're watching this very closely because right now a little bit of a horse race

how do you explain that people are fleeing the islamic state? spite documented evidence of 10s of thousands of people desperately fleeing isis, choudry claims there are more arriving. >> they're coming into the islamic state. we have pictures of christians coming back to mosul and embracing islam. you don't show those because it doesn't fit your agenda. >> and then the flood gates open with the reasons why he says he hates us. >> freedom of expression, religion. these things sound very nice but where was it for people in guantanamo bay, was that freedom in practice? i bet you love that, didn't you, fareed? did you hold that up as american life? george bush flushed those down the toilet. he said we're talking about terrorism. >> but the united states intervened in bosnia to protect muslims. it has intervened in afghanistan and supporting a government that has been elected twice by the afghan people. >> i spent you've spent too much time in the cnn world. in the real world, people in afghanistan hate americans. >> it's determined by polls, not what

if i were a strategic planner for the islamic state, i would want to, say, in american english, "swingor the fences." do something very dramatic. another attack similar to what we saw in brussels. i think that is unfortunately in the cards for this summer. laura: how much do you worry , while there are these advances in syria and iraq against the islamic state that, in libya, so many are people -- so many are using it as a jumping off point, that in libya, islamic state is regaining in strength? , >> i'm very worried about it. islamic state is not a hierarchical bureaucratic , organization. it has some of those attributes, but it is also gaining ground through franchising, through developing local leaders i think , that's what we are seeing in libya today. laura: thank you for joining us. >> good to see you, laura. laura: donald trump has clinched the republican presidential nomination. the associated press now says he has enough delegates to put him over the top. today, he held a press conference in north dakota and shot back at president obama, saying if foreign countries are rattled