before he could organize the ku klux klan. one wonders if in fact a harsher peace might not have, in the end, brought about a more lasting and just peace. it is at least something to speculate. one of the models is the reconstruction of germany. after the second world war, the german people had no doubts what the cause was, at least for their highest leaders, of war crimes. while wirz is a war criminal, he is a low-level war criminal. there were others. >> the picture that you showed to begin were taken of people after the camp had been liberated. how much was known by the northern public or the government about andersonville and what was happening before? >> i don't know. the histories are in dispute on this. there are not people being exchanged out of andersonville. while there are some people escaping and there are rumors going on -- but i don't know -- >> my second comment to that, you discussed at the ladies and their vegetables. how much was known in and around andersonville? >> enough to know -- >> it is beginning to sou

this is the early ku klux klan of the post-civil war period, and also we have the ku klux klan of the1920s. this is a photograph circa 1922. when we talk about civil war memory, should we talk about the klan? i'm going to be suggesting that's a yes. what would be the consequence of thinking about the klan while thinking about civil war memories? matt? >> when you talk about the klan, you have to look -- i'm thinking reconstruction, 1876. what, 1877. where you have the federal government actually going out there and putting, i forget the law they actually put in place. >> the ku klux klan act. >> there you go. basically going out to arrest and stop these types of violent actions against african-americans. >> yes. not successfully, right, for the most part. so the ku klux klan is very much a part of the post-war reconstruction history, right? but why might be think about them in a context of the 50th anniversary? john? >> i was going to jump off what matt said. it leaps into this as well. the ku klux klan kind of shows everything that didn't go quite the way it could have after the civi

this is the early ku klux klan of the post-civil war period, and also we have the ku klux klan of the920s. this is a photograph circa 1922. when we talk about civil war memory, should we talk about the klan? i'm going to be suggesting that's a yes. what would be the consequence of thinking about the klan while thinking about civil war memories? matt? >> when you talk about the klan, you have to look -- i'm thinking reconstruction, 1876. what, 1877. where you have the federal government actually going out there and putting, i forget the law they actually put in place. >> the ku klux klan act. >> there you go. basically going out to arrest and stop these types of violent actions against african-americans. >> yes. not successfully, right, for the most part. so the ku klux klan is very much a part of the post-war reconstruction history, right? but why might be think about them in a context of the 50th anniversary? john? >> i was going to jump off what matt said. it leaps into this as well. the ku klux klan kind of shows everything that didn't go quite the way it could have after the civil

in 1963, the ku klux klan bombed the 16th street apt is church in birmingham alabama, killing four african-american girls.

this is the early ku klux klan of the post-civil war period, and also we have the ku klux klan of the0s. this is a photograph circa 1922. when we talk about civil war memory, should we talk about the klan? i'm going to be suggesting that's a yes. perhaps maybe i should frame it, what would be the consequence of thinking about the klan while thinking about civil war memories? matt? >> when you talk about the klan, you have to look -- i'm thinking reconstruction, 1876. what, 1877. where you have the federal there and putting, i forget the law they actually put in place. >> the ku klux klan act. >> there you go. basically going out to arrest and stop these types of violent actions against african-americans. >> yes. not successfully, right, for the most part. so the ku klux klan is very much a part of the post-war reconstruction history, right? but why might be think about them in a context of the 50th anniversary? john? >> i was going to jump off what matt said. it leaps into this as well. the ku klux klan kind of shows everything that didn't go quite the way it could have after the civi

this is the early ku klux klan of the post-civil war period but we also have the ku klux klan of the is a photograph circa 1922 when we talk about civil war oud memory, should we talk about the klan? i'm going to be suggesting that's a yes, but perhaps maybee i should frame it what would be the consequences of thinking whe about the klan while thinking about civil war memory? matt? >> when you talkbou about the ko you got to -- i'm thinking uctin reconstruction, 1876, 1877 where you got the federal government actually going out thereere an putting i forget the law that ac they actually put in place. >> it's the ku klux klan act. >> there you go. but basically going out to arrest and stop these types of violent actions against african-americans. >> yeah. t successfully. >> right.essf, >> for the most part. so the ku klux klan is very much a part of the post-war re reconstruction history, right? but why might we think about n a them in the context of the 50th? anniversary? john? >> i was going to jump -- kind s of leads to this as well that the ku klux klan kind of shows g everything t

in 1963, the ku klux klan bombed the 16th street apt is church in birmingham alabama, killing four african-american girls. was in the carolyn mome church, but she was not hurt heard she shares her memories of that day with c-span. >> what i remember, when the bomb exploded, i remember not really thinking that it was a bomb. had was thatught i it was thunder or something. the sound made me think of thu nder. as soon as i thought that, the windows came crashing in. i heard someone inside the church they hit the floor. floor, ill on the could tell after a few seconds, i could hear feet. i could tell people were getting up and running out. my first thought was for those two younger brothers that i had brought with me, i knew that before i could leave or go to to safety i would need to figure out where they were. i went outside and searched downstairs and upstairs and was never able to find my brothers there at the church. we would find them later in a different part of the community. september 15 started as a very routine day. it was sunday morning. i was trying to coax my sister into getting her hair

klux klan and all these other groups that were beyond the pale. >> the head of the ku kluxept their support? >> we don't want the backing of the ku klux klan. >> that's a different kind of extremist, and my father would have none of it. >> a thoughtful address by ronald reagan. >> thank you. i have spent most of my life as a democrat. i recently have seen fit to follow another course. >> ronald reagan was an actor, but it was in 1964 that suddenly he explodes on to the national scene as a political figure because he gives the speech. >> in this vote harvesting time they use terms like "the great society," or as we were told a few days ago by the president, we must accept a greater government activity in the affairs of the people. barry goldwater has faith that you and have i the ability and the dignity and the right to make our own decisions. >> the campaign was always run optimistically. and when ronald reagan hit it out of the ballpark with his speech, we just knew we were going to win. >> according to a cbs vote profile analysis, lyndon baines johnson has been elected pr

but residents say around them is the invisible empire, the ku klux klan. they arched us to meet here, and we'd drive from there somewhere to do the interview. here they are. they are pulling up now. turn the camera. they have the hoods. hello, guys. hello. this is the right meeting spot. where you told us to come, rite? >> yes, follow us. it will take five minutes. >> sounds good, we'll do that. >> the k.k.k. has been around since the 1960s. classified as a hate group, members have been convicted of crime including murder, torture, hate and intimidation. they say they are not a hate group, but rather white separatists. >> we'll pull it forward here and get out. >> this group in north carolina is called the loyal white nights, and they claim to be the largest active k.k.k. operation in america. we were taken to this field with thousands of sunflowers, a place where the k.k.k. gathers, plans recruitment and still burns crosses. >> these days they have a thu call to arms, illegal immigrants. the immigration crisis going on on the border, when we called the hot

the ku klux klan is taking a message to southern states aiming to recruit new members. a florida police department will fire several officers. robert ray travelled to the border of north carolina and virginia. we warn you that it includes explicit language that some may fine objectionable. >> it looks perfect, rolling hills, nice homes and quaint churches. but residents say all around them is the invisible empire, the ku klux klan. k.k.k. asked us to meet here in north carolina, at this post office, and they say from there we'll be driving somewhere to do our interview. as a matter of fact, here they are. turn the camera, derek. they are pulling up now. they have their hoods. hello, guys. hello. this is the right meeting spot. where you tole us to come, right -- told us to come, yes. >> yes. >> we'll take five minutes. >> okay. we'll do that. the k.k.k. has been around since the 18 '60s, promoting white supremacy. classified as a hate group, members have been convicted of crimes, murder, torture, rape, arson. they say they are not a hate group, but white separatists. i g

farrakhan to the ku klux klan?g reactions or the lack of reactions. >> the comments he made were very insightful and wrong. >> who was insighted. >> who? >> you're not going to condemn what he said. >> i'll tell you who's invited, because of this president, the unemployment rate in the united states in the black community is twice what it is. >> is it because of the president? >> 16 to 24. >> it's not the president's responsibility and the people on the street. >> when you say to folks in that community that the government is against you, they're going to shoot you down on the streets. >> we're running out of time. >> people in -- >> can i ask -- they challenge you to condemn it. i know you as a man of the cloth, you're not resisting condemning those remarks. >> i'm resisting justice for distractions, and these are distractions. >> these individuals are inviting and -- >> my response is, that the community is angry, and -- >> there's a lot of anger in the country but what you don't see. >> there's not anger that ge

. >>> a story we have been following about the ku klux klan. spreading message of hate. more from robert ray on a story you'll only see from here. >> reporter: john, this saturday the kkk will hold a rally in believe it or not a town called welcome in north carolina. shoot to kill campaign on american borders that's in an effort to increase their membership as they say across the country. well recently we caught up with these guys and we went head to head. rolling hills, nice homes. and small churches. but some residents here worry the so-called invisible empire the ku klux klan is growing up around them. >> kkk asked us to meet them here at this post office. they say from there we'll be driving somewhere to do our interview. as a matter of fact, here they are, turn the camera derrick. they've got their hoods. hello guys. this is right meeting spot. >> follow us, we'll follow you. will only take five minutes. >> we'll do that. the kkk has been around since the 1860s promoting white supremacy. classified as a hate group by the fbi some members have been convicted of crimes

revolts, weapons were used in the post civil war, the reconstruction period, they had to fend off the ku klux klan, the paleface brotherhood, a white knight and other organizations that were seeking to to dismember these fledgling attempts at creating democracy in the south that followed the civil war. black veterans in world war i and world war ii, very large presence in this book. after world war i and especially after world war ii, veterans led the way in the fight for freedom in the south. this is matt grabbers, and the more, told snake into mississippi. this is aaron henry, the pharmacist who became state president of the naacp and president of the council on federated organizations. all in the south. changed the climate of the south. he may tell in another book about the slaughter of black veterans, in number of them were killed by refusing to knuckle under white supremacy. and black veterans, and take off being people like myself. and 21 years old, bob moses, perhaps the old guy in the group, these veterans had their weapons ready and i described in this book how and why they had

>> jon: so we know that if in the absence of congressional action, the ku klux klan is ready to fill the void. >> in our ten-minute interview, the klan members listed their usual grievances -- black, jews and gays, and now immigrants. >> jon: as long as we're grievay see this as a minor point, a bit nick picky, but flip-flop, dude, really? i mean, these are your good satin robes. these are the big robes. i'm assuming these are the formal robes. you're not an eight-year-old at the beach. you're a grown man who, albeit likes to dress up in bed sheets and set fire to things. look, i don't care if it's summer where you live, you're on television. put on a nice pair of slacks and some real shoes. no one is going to believe you're the master race if they think you don't know how to tie your laces. [laughter] all right. we've got a choice between the klan plan and our house of representatives. um, all right, let's go with the house. >> president obama asked congress for $3.7 billion to address the crisis on the border. >> speaker boehner trimmed that down about $1.5 billion, but the house ap

. >> even in missouri chapter of the ku klux klan has a fund-raiser planned for wilson. >> even the clan is pitching in. i believe they held a big inee car wash. now folk-- bikini car wash. that was pretty good. now as it stands supporters of officer wilson have crowd sourced more money than supporters of michael brown. yet somehow neither have raised more money than the glyph mobile personal theatre. this is what our country needs. that guy, he can't see race or the truck that is about to hit him. and while more money is going to officer wilson, brown supporters are being backed by an organization with no respect for the law. the white house. >> president obama is sending three white house officials to attend brown's funeral in st. louis missouri. >> they sent three white house officials to the funeral of michael brown. when margaret thatcher died last year they sent nobody. in what universe does margaret thatcher, one of the greatest leaders merit nobody and michael brown merits 3 white house officials. >> the president says a delegation to ferguson yet he sent not one justice departme

goldwater -- rockefeller one of the john birch society equated with the ku klux klan and communist party. a right wing group -- wasn't secret, but private -- founded who calledelsh eisenhower the politician, a conscious agent of the communist conspiracy, which was ridiculous. is not communist, he's a golfer. but because of that statement and similar statements, the birch society rally the conservative movement around 1962. they were tremendously controversial, supported nixon's opponent, gutted nixon. and were nixon probably partly responsible for his defeat out there. they were tremendously controversial. nixon had said when i went with him in 1966, i said i will campaign with any cam publican except a member of the john birch society. >> were you worried about losing that -- [laughter] >> it was a very embarrassing moment, no doubt about it. we got the birchers! >> i have some video. you seen this, i'm sure, many times. this is from 1962, the famous richard nixon news conference, after he had become the governor of california. >> 16 years. you've had a lot of fun. a lot of fun. you've

part that he's talking about the tea party wing of the gop, that maybe they're the second coming of the kulux klan. i think that's one of the more unfortunate parts of the presidency to be honest with you. as a black person i hated being painted with the same brush. we have fought so long not to be discriminated, to be judged not by the color of our skin, the behemoths to be painted as a group, as a hate group, that's a big failing for his presidency. i really do. neil: what i don't understand is the fact that a lot of the congressional black caucus is relaying this message rather than the president. are they just talking to the same choir, or are they more or less saying look, we are better messengers than is the president? because the president enjoys 95% approval within this community. >> he doesn't enjoy a fair amount of approval, but the president also -- there's no way a white president could have gotten away with what president obama did during the ferguson situation, still at martha's vineyard playing golf, having a relaxing time. if that was president bush it would not have been e

the missouri chapter of the ku klux klan says it will hold a fundraiser this weekend. >>> maria ines ferre has more on this story. >> reporter: during the day the activists are strategizing at night. they're in the front lines of the protest. i want to show you some of them. this is jonea. she's been active since the beginning of these protests. she's a 25-year-old activist helping to collect the donatio donations. she has been working with this woman, sherrill brown. she has been writing from the front lines since the media was pushed back. he she tweeted out this image, gathering medical response training. this gentleman right here has a gas mask in his hand. and this is an image that she tweeted out last night, the neighborhood we were in when we got gassed. these protesters are often coming up against tear gas. look at this video, documenting what is happening along the protesters. take a look. [ gunshots ] >> what is that shooting? >> that is live ammo. [ coughing ] >> the gas got my eyes watery. >> reporter: now on what do these protesters do if they're arrested? there are leafl

we should be working with the ku kurds, and we are, we should be helping the americans with the intelligence gathering that they want. we should be working to assure a an iraqi government that can government all of iraq, and we are. we should deliver aid supplies to all of those desperately need. while we do that, you still have a problem of poisonous islamist extremism, and you see that problem in our country even before that problem came about. dealing with the source of the problem is going to be absolutely key. [ inaudible ]. >> reporter: prime minister we have thrown about the threat of returning foreign fighters for some time, why has it taken all summer to raise the threat level. >> that's a question for the center, and not for me. but i'm very satisfied that they look at this in a rigorous and comprehensive way, and they base their judgments based on all of the intelligence that they say. clearly we have had a problem of isil in iraq, and foreign fighters traveling from britain to iraq, and indeed we have had the problem of not just isil but other al-qaeda groups in that area, but th

this week, the ku klux klan in south carolina gave out goodie bags -- goodie bags filled with candy asay to increase membership. you better watch out k.k.k., 'cause you know who likes candy? everybody. [ laughter ] you don't know. when people hear there's candy there, you get all types. [ laughter ] candy, candy, candy. people are going to start saying the "k" stands for candy. [ laughter ] another weird story, this week a pilot in idaho accidentally dropped over 3,000 ping-pong balls on a local highway that were intended for a near-by park as part of a contest. instead it became part of a contest where the winner stays alive on a highway full of ping-pong balls. [ applause ] whoa. is this one of those new plagues? hasn't been a new plague for awhile. ping-pong balls are as good as anything. this is pretty great. this is very great. this week a 40 year-old mom has become the newest cheerleader of the new orleans saints. she's the one saying, "give me a y. give me a y, tyler. why were you out until midnight? that's the why i want, tyler." [ laughter and applause ] not sure i understand

i can remember the american flag being carried in the hands of the ku klux klan members. it waved. these images began to enter my mind and poisoned my imagination. when i began to watch fighters on tv again, a small voice echoed in the back of my mind. it told me if you were there, you would not have done these things. these images were not for you. perhaps you would have been a , or a, a dishwasher bellman. if you were there you would never have flown those planes. because of these images i believe that. i believed i never would have fought in combat, i would never have sold -- have served on a naval ship. that voice had a peculiar effect. i found myself drawing away from america. the pledge stood for of allegiance but i stop crossing my heart. i would not repeat the words. i felt the country had rejected me. i felt i was lost. a stranger in a strange land. i could not understand why i was here. this land may have been your land, but i did not feel this land was my land. when i saw the stars and stripes waving in the breeze, when i saw the stars and stripes on porches , or on the f

i don't need to tell you that in the 1870s, violence by the ku klux klan and other white terrorists was crucial in rolling back the gains of the first reconstruction. and we saw in the films that in the civil rights movement, especially by the 1960s, again, you get very extreme severe white racist violence against blacks and their white allies. let's point out that the violence was less extensive in the '60s as horrible as it was it was not all out war and in fact it was counter productive to those who wanted to keep things racially as they had always been. it was the violence against civil rights demonstrators that furthers their cause. there's a reason, as you know, why the southern christian leadership conference after the steal mate in albany, georgia decided to go to birmingham. they went there because they were pretty sure the reverend shuttlesworth told them they would get a confrontation there that would dramaticize to the world what was at stake and that's what happened. so fewer whites in the '60s who were taking up arms. 1860s it was millions in the confederate army. fewer in

the united states of america, to deal with the sir in syria in the same way they have handled the situation in kudistan and iraq. the roots are the same in syria. the enemy is the same. the world should not have double standards. >> in iraq, the u.s. is carrying out airstrikes against the islam staikt grew. the pentagon says its mission is limited to protecting minorities and defending the kurdish region. >> a third of iraq is under the control of the islamic state group. the international community has expressed alarm about its growing strengths. but so far, there is no plan to defeat that group. >> the islamic state fighters are in urban centers and live among the local population. they are well armed. they have taken u.s.-made weapons from the iraqi army and have seized military equipment from syrian army bases. even the u.s. acknowledge airstrikes won't be enough. >> airstrikes will target the positions but the peshmerga, iraqi army and syrian rebels all need to fight to get rid of them. >> it has been a week since the iraqi army was pushed out of "the sun"ni hartland. it has certain steps to

i don't need to tell you that in the 1870s, violence by the ku klux klan and other white terrorists was crucial in rolling back the gains of the first reconstruction. and we saw in the films that in the civil rights movement, especially by the 1960s, again, you get very extreme severe white racist violence against blacks and their white allies. let's point out that the violence was less extensive in the '60s as horrible as it was it was not all out war and in fact it was counter productive to those who wanted to keep things racially as they had always been. it was the violence against civil rights demonstrators that furthers their cause. there's a reason, as you know, why the southern christian leadership conference after the steal mate in albany, georgia decided to go to birmingham. they went there because they were pretty sure the reverend shuttlesworth told them they would get a confrontation there that would dramaticize to the world what was at stake and that's what happened. so fewer whites in the '60s who were taking up arms. 1860s it was millions in the confederate army. fewer in

from a foreign country to relief us of the ku klux klan or the mafia and spoke almost no english? would we think that was sensible? we are doing things not really sensible. we have exacerbated the situation. it's worse and worse. the only thing i can think of that drives people like some of these foundations that claim to be intellectual but aren't really intellectual. they are backed by people who have commercial interests, perhaps to sell arms to people, perhaps to get control of oil and/or commoditiecommodities. to interfere in another country, iraq, they are capable of managing their affairs. someone from boise idaho who thinks they can arrange bab loan i can't better than the bab boneians is mad. >> guest: let's talk about afghanistan. you have a country that was moved by the taliban in the late -- ruled by the taliban in the late 1990s, not allowing women to go to school, to work, to even leave their homes in some cases. and you had people that were -- i met with many afghan women who were very grateful that the u.s. came in, toppled the taliban. thinks have not been difficu

the kurdish passion murder -- ku rdish peshmerga forces are working against isis. >> france has announced it is due to send weaponry to iraqi kurds struggling to hold back the isis tied in northern iraq. a statement released by the presidential palace said that weapons would be sent in the coming hours. it is a decision that has been taken outside the normal european framework after the failure of an ambassadors meeting on tuesday to come to an agreement after -- over the iraq situation. some eu countries are strictly opposed to sending weapons to the struggling kurds. the president of the autonomous kurdish region of iraq called on the international community to help them fight against the insurgents. they have received support from the u.s. and u.k. the u.k. has intensified its involvement by sending helicopters and arranging airdrops of supplies. the french government has not yet given any precise details so far about the types of arms being deployed, how many, and how they are to be used. meanwhile, 20 tons of humanitarian aid left from paris on wednesday. a convoy comprised of medici

from a foreign country to relief us of the ku klux klan or the mafia and spoke almost no english?d we think that was sensible? we are doing things not really sensible. we have exacerbated the situation. it's worse and worse. the only thing i can think of that drives people like some of these foundations that claim to be intellectual but aren't really intellectual. they are backed by people who have commercial interests, perhaps to sell arms to people, perhaps to get control of oil and/or commoditiecommodities. to interfere in another country, iraq, they are capable of managing their affairs. someone from boise idaho who thinks they can arrange bab loan i can't better than the bab boneians is mad. >> guest: let's talk about afghanistan. you have a country that was moved by the taliban in the late -- ruled by the taliban in the late 1990s, not allowing women to go to school, to work, to even leave their homes in some cases. and you had people that were -- i met with many afghan women who were very grateful that the u.s. came in, toppled the taliban. thinks have not been difficult. i

the cookie aisle. >> giants manager bruce was smoldering tonight upset with fourier or by his temperature and home plate umpire kuingling tim lost the spot in the rotation. the giants and rockies 2nd inning. andrew break a tie. this ball way out to center. second of the season. and it's 2-1 giants. we are playing -- weird play in the fourth. jake gets distracted and kind of fall off the mound. balk in a run. 2-2. 3-2 rock in theventt seventh. base hit to right. comes up throwing. dj play at the plate and he is called safe? giants upset call for review. look there. he was tagged on the pant leg. he's out. call overturned. bottom 8 though buster striking out looking at pitch low. like this all night long. he's had it with the home plate ump tossed third time this year and giants end up lasting 3-2. san jose state peck off new football season taking over for the start qb is blake who knows he has big shahs to fill. >> just nerves. just control those. just be ready. i have been preparing last 2 years for this and i'm mentally ready to go. >> somebody famous is singing the national anthem at that game do you know who it

now they stopped the t eped ku . they're going with it. they're exhibiting strength in many cases. they made 31 arrests. >> 78 is what we're told now. >> 78. >> that's a lot of arrests there. are you concerned when people hear the number 78 arrests and granted according to captain johnson, the injuries were all officers and not protesters that this will continue to fuel the fire. >> well, you know, you have to break down the arrests. we have to see what the charges are. you see the tactical officers moving out and arresting one man in a white t-shirt, and, you know, he's handcuffed. what i would look at that and say the force necessary to affect the arrest given the circumstances. and his arms grabbed and he was handcuffed. what are the charges. have they singled out the people throwing a molotov cocktail and shooting or carrying a gun. those are the important arrests. those are the ones that will make things better, safer, and more peace. just arresting someone who didn't leave, you know, and may be needed. >> what are the tactical options right now? >> well, they have to see if th

bruce was smoldering tonight upset with fourier or by his temperature and home plate umpire kuing who had the incrible disappearing strike zone. struggling tim lost the spot in the rotation. the giants and rockies 2nd inning. andrew break a tie. this ball way out to center. second of the season. and it's 2-1 giants. we are playing -- weird play in the fourth. jake gets distracted and kind of fall off the mound. balk in a run. 2-2. 3-2 rock in the seventh. base hit to right. comes up throwing. dj play at the plate and he is called safe? giants upset call for review. look there. he was tagged on the pant leg. he's out. call overturned. bottom 8 though buster striking out looking at pitch low. like this all night long. he's had it with the home plate ump tossed third time this year and giants end up lasting 3-2. san jose state peck off new football season taking over for the start qb is blake who knows he has big shahs to fill. >> just nerves. just control those. just be ready. i have been preparing last 2 years for this and i'm mentally ready to go. >> somebody famous is singing the national an

i can remember the american flag being carried in the hands of ku klux klan members. i remember as it waved at the beginning. these images began to enter my mind and poisoned my imagination. when i began to watch my fighters on tv again, a small quiet voice echoed in the back of my mind. it told me, if you were there, you would not have done these things. these images were not for you. perhaps you would have been a porter or a dishwasher. but if you were there, you never would have flown those planes. because of these images, i believe that. i believe that i never would have fought in combat. i believe that i never would have served on a naval ship. i served in any position of distinction and honor. and that voice had a peculiar effect on me. i found myself drawing away from america. although i faced the flag, i would not repeat the words. i felt this country rejected me. i felt i was lost. a stranger in a strange land. i could not understand why i was here. when i saw the stars and stripes waving in the breeze, when i saw the stars and stripes on porches of people's h