i'm here to meet with an arkansas leader of the ku klux klan. w come this can't happen during the day again? >> all right. there's a car with the headlights on. if that's him, he'll blink his headlights. [ exhaling ] let's go. >> this guy said he was coming alone. why did i believe him? camera crew or not, this seems like a bad idea. >> when you hear my voice, it's going to be disguised, right? >> absolutely. >> and i'm going to let you know, i'm the imperial wizard of the international keystone knights of the ku klux klan. >> imperial wizard of the international keystone knights of the ku klux klan. yes, sir. i'm president of the organization. >> you're the president. >> mm-hmm. >> first of all, thanks for meeting with me. >> okay. >> i guess my first question is klan historically, as i'm sure you know, has been a group associated with violence. >> i'm not associated with violence. >> i know. i'm talking historically. >> we have to look at the klan in the 21st century. >> don't you think by wearing the same robes it's hard to separate the two di

although he may have broken the ku klux klan, he did not break white supremacist terrorism. that continued in different forms and with somewhat different objections. he tried to look for other solutions to the problem of how do you get white softeners to respect african-americans including the proposal to annex the dominican republic. lots of raw material. the one difference was grant said we will take the dominican republic, make it part of the and we will see if african-american workers in the south where labor is precious, although treated badly, those african-americans can threaten to leave to go to the dominican republic where there is lots of room and lots opportunity for them and maybe want southerners to keep that workforce may respect their civil rights. ase historians dismiss this cockamamie proposal. it was a proposal frederick douglass among others endorsed. frederick douglass was not a cockamamie man. he would oppose colonization before the american civil war and endorse annexation. annexation opposed was charles sumner, friend of the black man, assisted by misso

the ku klux klan strap dynamite to the base of the transmitter and blew to smithereens.right in the middle of the arlo guthrie singing alice's restaurant. i thought that was a good song. but anyway they go on the air. they rebuild. transmitter goes up again. and the klan straps 15 times the dynamite to the base of the transmitter and blows it up again. so now it will take months to january 71 they finally get ready. public broadcasting comes in in its infancy to broadcast this moment when the phoenix rises from the ashes. arlo guthrie comes back to the petrol metro to finishes the song live on the air, alice's restaurant and they go back on the air. i can't remember if it was the exalted cyclops or the grand dragon because often confuse their titles, i.t. said it was his proudest act. i think that's because he understood how dangerous pacific is. dangerous because it allows people to speak for themselves. when you hear someone speaking from own experience, whether it's palestinian child or an israeli grandmother, whether it's chadian victim, one of the leading that comes

within a few weeks it's blown off the air by the ku klux klan. only radio station in the country to be blown up. a few weeks later they get back on their feet, they go back on the air, and the klan straps 15 times the dynamite, blows it up again. the first time they did it was during the middle of arkansas low guthrie's song -- [laughter] live on the air. and i can't remember if it was the grand dragon or the exalted cyclops, because i often confuse their titles -- [laughter] [applause] he said it was his proudest act. and i think that's because he understood how dangerous independent media is. dangerousing because it allows people to -- dangerous because it allows people to speak for themselves. and when you hear someone speaking from their own experience whether it's a palestinian child or an israeli grandmother, an aunt in iraq or an uncle in afghanistan, it challenges, it breaks down the care kick catures -- caricatures and stereotypes that fuel the hate groups. it's not that you agree with what you hear. how often do we agree with our family

and she was shot by the three ku klux klan people and killed because she was riding in a car with two black young men. so he had become pib -- gone public and testified at the murder trial against his three confederates in the ku klux klan. with about half an hour to go before the hearing, he said to me, i can't appear on television. and we really wanted him on television because it was such a dramatic story. and under the rules of the senate, at least then, a witness who didn't want to appear on television didn't have to appear on television. so i came up with the idea of putting a bag over his head and slits over his eyes and maybe for his mouth so that he could see and talk. i thought that was a pretty clever idea. one of the assistants for senator tower who was presiding that day, frank church was away, said you did that in order to embarrass senator tower. now, senator tower never said any such thing to me. i think if he thought it, he would have said it. if he'd thought it, he would have said it. but i think it was a great idea and it got this guy to testify and perhaps added a

. >> it was the ku the day the democrats ousted the government through the early swearing-in of governor lamar alexander january 79 he was just elected governor three months before and by this time the fbi was deeply into their investigation of this administration of governor black but the crisis had to do have a governor's office was releasing prisoners for all the wrong reasons there was a process for pardons and paroles but that was sidestepped in this came to be known as the clemency for cash scandal. >> walking out of the tennessee state prison a free man his 99 year sentence was pardoned nearly nobody would have noticed the he has commuted the sentence as they leave office but this is showing political favoritism has played to the administration handling of executive clemency. >> the fbi became interested very early landed is important to remember that they were focused on the governor's office particularly the office of extradition working on pardons and paroles you had a small crowd in the governor's office that was up to no good and it wasn't just the clemency for cash scandal b

cohen when the organization would have to the ku klux klan you are where that symbol was a flaming cross and that they believed someh they were espousing the teachings of christ. >> they were purifying the race, yes. >> these race perfect haitians ended up in hateful and violent murderous tactics against african-americans. >> that was the way they did business. >> catholics and jewish. they were a hate filled group that used a flaming cross in your purse by christianity for justification. westboro baptist church sends demonstrators to the funerals of our fallen soldiers. i've seen them and they'll annoy and they put up these hateful signs that say the soldier died excessive and because of marriage. their they believe is part of their christian belief. i think the point that has been made over and over by three members of this panel is it is a mistake for us to call the ku klux klan a radical christian were to call westboro baptist radical for students. they are extreme with their violent and their radical and unacceptable but it reflects on all of us. if you use a term that is so broad i

i was like, i don't know, maybe i should go talk to the ku klux klan.ghter ] that was exactly -- hmm. then it got quiet for a long time. but i could tell it was that kind of quiet where, that might be good for ratings. but kamau might die. but that might be really good for ratings. [ laughter ] when i pitched the ku klux klan idea i didn't think they'd actually let me do it. you know what i mean? i was just trying to be edgy and get the job.

i'm sure that you have heard in the overview section about the ku klux klan. there are more klan outrages increasing in 1870 and 1871. the answer for this -- rent and the republicans passed the ku klux klan act of 1871. this is the third of three measures the gave the federal government power to try to stamp out the klan. they declared martial law in several states, in south carolina, sent military troops, held trials. to a large degree, they stamped out the klan. but there was resistance, not just from white southerners. people referred to this as going too far. yes, let's give african-american civil rights, was passed the 14th and 15th amendment, but do we want to be passing martial law? it's pretty direct. but even more telling, lionel trumbull. remember, he is the author of the civil rights bill, and he resented the ku klux klan act. he argued, "show me that is necessary to exercise any power belonging to the government of the united states, and in ready to put it forth, but sir, i am not ready to take it for punishing for the actions of one citizen against

. >>> the ku klux klan is weighing in on the national transgender debate but residents in one georgiaay all they say is hate. fox's denise dill hahn loss the story. >> i'm holding a bagful of hatred and racism. >> reporter: tanisha bell is angry over what she found in her driveway. a hand out. stating, it's from the ku klux klan. >> big concern of mine the fact that this organization continues to spew hate and racism. >> reporter: bell says that is bad enough but the hate group appears to be tackling the transgender bathroom rights issue. calling transgender people freaks and saying they're jeopardize the safety of bathrooms all across the nation for our women and children. >> they're just showing that they're looking for another group to pick on, you know, and so now they'll probably go after the transgender group and god bless us all. >> transgender is abomination according to the kings james bible. >> sandra washington is reading the flyer that landed in her driveway. >> you want to talk about the bible and quote scripture on one line on the other line you want to call the transgen

he slugged this guy wearing the ku klux klan outfit. but by the time he got up to the top, you couldn't see it was a ku klux klan outfit. so when the african-american cold-cocked this guy, everybody thought the african-american was against me. and it was the opposite. he was this great military guy. we have tremendous african-american support. the reason is, i'm going to bring jobs back to our country. we're going to bring jobs back. but when these sleazy people who never show the crowd -- they never show the crowd -- when they showed that event, it made it look like the white guy was on my side. the african-american guy said, i had enough, and nobody's going to run through an arena like that. and they reversed it and it's a disgrace. ok? let me tell you while we're on the subject, we are going to bring jobs back to this country. we need our jobs. we're going to make it very expensive for companies to fire everybody and leave. you know, your area has lost one in three manufacturing jobs over a fairly short period of time. that's a lot of

could the ku klux klan be in new york. so i profile the ku klux klan. of course you profile. that is what policing is all about. here is where it is wrong. when you do it on race, religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation, just for that reason because you don't like them. if you're doing it based on hard facts, that lead to protection of the public, like a group of one type. deirdre: so, sheriff, that is exactly what you're saying in the sense of somebody who is responsible for a team on the ground? >> well, you know he, mayor giuliani gets it. donald trump gets it. i get it. only people who don't seem to get it are barack obama, loretta lynch and their policies which tie the hands of federal law enforcement. that's why they're not in a real good position to preempt the at tax. you see all the flury of activity after the event or incident but you don't see it before but i'm not saying they haven't disrupted any. you should not be able to pull off large-scale terror attack in the united states. the guy goes out like in philadelphia shoots in police officer's car that is very dif

amy: local broadcaster nbc bay area reported the messages contained racial slurs and images of the kulux klan. four -- for more we're joined , now by three guests. in san francisco, california, we're joined by cat brooks. she is an oakland-based black lives matter activist and co-founder of the anti police-terror project. brooks helped organize friday's protest against the oakland police department. in berkeley we're joined by two , reporters who helped break the oakland police department sex-crimes story. darwin bond-graham and ali winston are journalists with the east bay express. we welcome you all to democracy now! darwin, let's begin with you. explain for people who were not in oakland, not in california, who have not been following this story. in nine days, you have three police chiefs who resign amidst a sex scandal. --lain the mashonaland, then been pharrell, figaro a. what was their involvement? >> the police chief resigned partly because there appears to have been a wide range cover-up of the sex crime scandal and misconduct. it was discovered when police emitted suicide las

and she was shot by the three ku klux klan people and killed because she was riding in a car with two black young men. so he had become pib -- gone public and testified at the murder trial against his three confederates in the ku klux klan. with about half an hour to go before the hearing, he said to me, i can't appear on television. and we really wanted him on television because it was such a dramatic story. and under the rules of the senate, at least then, a witness who didn't want to appear on television didn't have to appear on television. so i came up with the idea of putting a bag over his head and slits over his eyes and maybe for his mouth so that he could see and talk. i thought that was a pretty clever idea. one of the assistants for senator tower who was presiding that day, frank church was away, said you did that in order to embarrass senator tower. now, senator tower never said any such thing to me. i think if he thought it, he would have said it. if he'd thought it, he would have said it. but i think it was a great idea and it got this guy to testify and perhaps added a

he slugged his guy wearing the ku klux klan outfit, but by the time he got up to the top, you could not it was a ku klux klan outfit. so when the african-american coldcocked this guy, this guide guy never knew what happened. everybody thought the african-american was against me, and it was the opposite. he was his great guy, military guy. we have tremendous african-american support. i'm going to bring jobs back to our country. we are going to bring jobs back. but when the sleazy people, these dishonest people, who never show the crowd, they never show the crowd, when they show that event, it made it look like the white guy was on my side. the african-american guy said, i had enough. and nobody is going to run through an arena like that, and they reversed it, and it is a disgrace, ok? let me tell you while we are on the subject, we are going to bring jobs back to this country. we need our jobs. we are going to make it very expensive for companies to fire everybody and leave. you know, your area has lost one in three manufacturing jobs over a fairly short time. that is a lot of manufactur

then 52 years ago tonight, goodman, james earl chaney and michael schwerner were murdered, taken by the kuth the help of a sheriff's deputy, shot at point blank range and buried. their disappearance shocked the nation and captured the eye of norman rockwell who created this haunting image for "look magazine." i was one of the swarm of reporters sent to mission miss. -- to mississippi, in chicago where i grew up racism was easier to ignore. in philadelphia, mississippi, it was up close and personal. we were outsiders, met with hostility. president johnson sent the fbi, and was briefed regularly by director j edgar hoover. >> reporter: the bodies of the three men would be found together six weeks later. the names, chaney, goodman and schwerner joined those of more than 100 other victims from emmitt till, to jimmy lee jackson whose deaths would be investigated again after the passing of a new federal law in 2006. 41 years after the three civil rights workers were killed, the state of mississippi won a manslaughter conviction against one more of the klansmen. it would be the last conviction. m

then 52 years ago tonight, goodman, james earl chaney and michael schwerner were murdered, taken by the kund a with the help of a sheriff's deputy, shot and buried. their disappearance shocked the nation and captured the eye of norman rockwell, who created this haunting images for "look" magazine. i was one of the swarm of reporters sent to mississippi. in chicago where i grew up, racism was easier to ignore. in philadelphia, mississippi, it was up close and personal. we were outsiders, met with hostility. president johnson sent the f.b.i. and was briefed regularly by director j. edgar hoover. >> apparently what happened is these men have been killed. because of the fact that it the same car that they were in in philadelphia, mississippi. >> reporter: the bodies of the three men would be found together six weeks later. the names chaney, goodman and schwerner joined those of more than 100 other victims, from emmitt till to jimmy lee jackson, whose death would be investigated again after the passing of a new federal law in 2006. 41 years after the three civil rights workers were killed, the

they want people of islamic faith and they want those with extremist views like the ku klux klan and like hatemongers of westboro baptist church. that resident at that moment history got it right. we have got to get it right today because we are being called unlike many generations have in the past to respond to the legitimate fear of terrorism in a way consistent with our american values and when we look at this notion that we are going to condemn a faith i think we have gone way too far. ms. khera i know you want to say something but let me ask you first do you live in a muslim neighborhood? >> no, i do not. >> do you know what a muslim neighborhood is? >> i was scratching my head at that when i first heard that term use. the muslim community in the united states with few phuoc sections is actually quite spread out and integrated into the broader america. >> that is my experience too that i can show you some irish catholic churches in chicago and some areas on the north shore where jewish populations live but muslim populations at large per se and they seem to be dispersed family a

forceful in a series of enforcement acts to allow the federal government to protect the right to vote, the ku klux klan act. he could suspend the right of habeas corpus and said federal rightsto protect black from terrorist groups. that is homeland security for you. he does use that power to send troops into

it's like learning that the ku klux klan of once an organization devoted to the care and maintenancef bed sheets. and then one day, someone was like, "ah! there's holes in these sheets. now we have to find something else to do with them." so going back. during the 1960s and 70s, there was' surge in riots and assassinations, and because of that more gun laws and more gun control laws were passed. and because of that, a few people within the n.r.a. decided to act. >> the n.r.a. people said, "wait a minute, we've got other things to worry about than teaching guys how to shoot and how to hunt." that was the transformative period. >> it formally happened in 1977 at the n.r.a. convention in cincinnati. as they got down to business, there was a showdown, hurnts and sportsmen, versus gun rights activists. >> a group of hard liners committed to literally took over the n.r.a. overnight. >> trevor: a lot of people would think the last place you would expect a coup is within the n.r.a. because everyone has a gun. because of that, they choose to solve all of their disputes using a complicated sys

this civil rights act will allow colored men to sit at the same table beside the white guests. >> ku an. >> to the democratic party -- >> why has this been swept under the rug? >> to cover the tracks of the democratic party. >> we're not even talking about ancient history. >> the racism went well into the 20th century. >> as long as the black man continues to ravage our white women, we will continue to lynch him. >> you got to give them a little something. >> plantation politics. >> the democrats went from slavery to enslavement. >> corrupt big city bosses. that's how you get corruption unions. what's progressive actually mean? social engineering and social control. >> a large family -- >> -- is to kill it. >> in the opening video, the government is the one thing we all belong to. government belongs to us. we don't belong to it. >> what are these democrats signing? >> this is about buying and selling influence by foreign oligarchs and foreign governments. when you follow the money, there are very few coincidents. >> what if the goal of the democratic party is to steal the most valuabl

they were those who had violent, extreme views and were ready to kill, to execute that like the ku klux klan, like the hat mongers of the wests boro baptist church. that president in that moment of history got it right and we've got to get it right today. we are being called on like many generations have in the past to respond to a legitimate fear of terrorism in a way consistent with our american values. and when we lapse into this notion that we are going to condemn a faith, i think we've gone way too far. miss khera, i know you wanted to say something earlier. let me ask you, do you live in a muslim neighborhood? >> no, i do not. >> do you know what a muslim neighborhood is? >> i was scratching my head a bit when i first heard that term used. the muslim community of the united states, with few exceptions, is actually quite spread out and integrated into the broader america. >> that's my experience, too. i mean, i can show you some irish catholic parishes in chicago and some areas on the north shore where jewish populations live, but muslim population is not that large, per se, and th

. >> reporter: then 52 years ago tonight, goodman, james earl chaney were murdered taken by the ku kluxth the help of a sheriff's deputy shot at point-blank range and buried. their disappearance shocked the nation and captured the eye of norman rockwell who created this haunting image for "look" magazine. i was one of the swarm of reporters sent to mississippi. in chicago where i grew up racism was easier to ignore. in philadelphia, mississippi, it was up close and personal. we were outsiders, met with hostility. president johnson sent the fbi and was briefed regularly by director j. edgar hoover. apparently what's happened these men have been killed. well now what would make you think they have been killed? >> because of the fact that it is the same car that weer in philadelphia, mississippi. >> reporter: the bodies of the three men would be found together, six weeks later. the williams, chaney, goodman, and schwerner joined emmett till to jimmy lee jackson whose deaths would be gated after a federal law in 2006. 41 years after the civil rights workers were killed the state of mississi

they were working to register african-american voters in the attacked by member of the ku klux klan. bodies were found buried in a dam. late night federal and state authorities are ending the investigation because there are no more viable suspects to prosecute. leon: two wildfires burning near los angeles now. they have scorched 5,400 acres and forced massive evacuations but that is not the only region scorched by flames. 17 large wildfires are burning eight western states including alaska. reporter: overnight north of los angeles two separate fires forced hundreds to leave. at least 53400 acres torched in two separate fires burning dangerously close to each other. the reservoir fire difficult to fight over steep terrain and the fish fire approaching people's homes. >> it's nervous wracking. reporter: people picking up garbage hoses >> this is my home. >> the winds are kicking up. temperatures are high. perfect storm. reporter: 17 large wildfires burning in eight western states including action. high winds remain a concern today. four states, california, utah, nevada and utah have exc

i'm sure that you have heard in the overview section about the ku klux klan. outrages more klan increasing in 1870 and 1871. the answer for this -- rent and the republicans passed the ku klux klan act of 1871. this is the third of three measures the gave the federal government power to try to stamp out the klan. they declared martial law in several states, in south carolina, sent military troops, held trials. to a large degree, they stamped out the klan. but there was resistance, not just from white southerners. people referred to this as going too far. yes, let's give african-american civil rights, was passed the 14th and 15th amendment, but do passing martial law? it's pretty direct. but even more telling, lionel trumbull. remember, he is the author of and heil rights bill, resented the ku klux klan act. "show me that is necessary to exercise any power blogging to the government of the united states, and in ready to put it forth, but sir, i am not ready to take it for punishing for the actions of one citizen against another." this is largely based on the civi

he's accused of sending a text to white homicide director showing the ku klux klan member of cereal box in the message, i hear you got boxes of these in recovered. civil rights attorney john first call these messages unacceptable. >>> regardless of their race they are held to the same moral code, african-american officers shouldn't send around tax that are racially tinged. >> kutv learned the racist text were covered with the help of a homicide sergeant who had a falling out with the lieutenant accused of sending the racist text. both of the lieutenant and him are on leave with the oakland police department. the sergeant is accused of having his girlfriend help them right police reports. >> unfolding scandal spreading beyond the apartment. >> we'll talk to later. >> a three-car crash has become a stabbing investigation. martinez police called in to help police investigate a collision, witnesses saw one of the drivers bleeding and running from the scene through backyards and jumping over fences. pleasant hill police eventually found him and discovered he had been stabbed in an incident i

. >> civil rights attorney, says the texts which depict images of the ku klux klan and the n word promote just the kind of culture he and others have been fighting to stamp out. >> it starts as a joke. and it's not funny. and then it goes, it, it can go on to things that are even less funny than the jokes. >> if they come from a commander it is even more disturbing. >> if it is a commander that means that -- the officers that that person commands thinks it is okay. and it's not. >> now we fried to get reaction to those text messages from city. of course they're dealing with a lot tonight. sources tell us that acting interim chief police chief paul figaroa has stepped down. and city administrator will now jee eversee the department. a news conference scheduled for just 30 minutes from now. reporting live in oakland, jodi hernandez, nbc bay area news. >> 48-hour tenure there as police chief. jo di jodi, thank you very much. we will bring the news conference to you live during this news conference. we will stream if live on our website. nbcbayarea.com. >> after four years and many delays the

there are people saying long-term, the ku is a certainly a knock increase they may be able to solve anyotential certainly one a lot of people have been talking about but over the short term, what this did more than anything else is create a lot of uncertainty on wall street. would know going in a a weekend what might happen. what happens on monday morning again these traders are surprised. for whatever reason, looking at the symptom markets they thought the opposite would happen and had to go back on it today. >> let me talk to you about the travel impacts, the value of pound obviously has plunged exchange rates for americans traveling to the u.k. much better now, how will that lead over to the valuation of over currency through the europe. >> it was a weaker day for the british pound, a dramatically weaker pound. if you're traveling over there, i guess that's one bright spot if you're an american and planning a trip to the u.k. you can get 1.36 or thereabouts. it was like 1.50 when they oakfor the polls last niht 30 plus years since mid 80's. in general, i will point this out, our doll

we are talking about the ku klux klan today. i can't believe we're talking about the ku klux klan in 2016 presidential election. how is it possible that the presumptive nominee of a major political party like donald trump, the presumptive nominee of the republican party, when asked on cnn if you would disavow white supremacists, david duke, i can't member if you was the grand dragon or the exalted cyclops, if you would disavow his support, he waffled. he said he had to consider this more deeply. when was the last time you heard donald trump said he had to consider anything more deeply before he commented. but on this issue he had to weigh it. what exactly did he have to delve more deeply into? which klan chapter it was? you don't want to generalize all the klan chapters of the united states? because youhtening were talking about the possible president of the united states. you are talking about the president whose polls are indicating has a very good chance possibly of becoming the president of the united states. the man who was

amid a contentious debate on the eve of the passing of the force act of 1871, also known as the ku klux klan act, which empowered the president to use federal troops to break up the clan and imposed harsh penalties for those that interfered. first day as a page, notable members -- the first african-american to serve in the house, he delivered speeches on the floor attesting to violations against the 14th amendment rights of the constituents. in that sense, picking provided a common experience for two teenage african-american boys who, separated by nearly a century, witnessed the house grapple with monumental civil rights issues. to change gears and conclude, i would to tell you about one of the research questions that nagged us as we wrote the history of the house page program. one that we are still trying to determine conclusively. that is pinpointing the exact start date of the practice of paging in the house. we know the use of legislative messengers evolved over the better half of the century. when adults serve as messengers until the late 1820's when according to official house rec

. >> reporter: divorce the had problems in the past where they were focused on the ku >> catherine: it set records this week and roughly 43 at americans and getting in their cars and hitting the highways there still pretty good and consumer confidence has been high and then the mood of trouble. the save roughly $20 billion on gas of far this year compared to just last year starting at 9 p-m. we'll bring you fireworks from around the bay area. we'll be live along san francisco's embarcadero, in downtown san jose, at the alameda county fair in pleasanton. and at the marin county fair in san rafael. make sure to tune in. july fourth starting at 9 p-m. there's another spare the air alert set for tuesday. >> catherine:it's because the hot weather.with temperatures again flirting with triple digits. there's also expected to be lots of car exhaust fumes. people are being reminded to take mass transit if possible.or carpool. >> britteny: one look at outside right now we see clear conditions are on the golden gate bridge o'clock in the sky lots of sunshine and warm temperatures especially close

you can't say that people who joined the ku klux klan and murdered women and children in the homes because of race so anybody who goes to donald trump rallies it's the same thing. of course it's not the same thing but a society and stress over the threats to how people perceive them to who is an american versus people who say the whole point of america's about an idea. it's about universal humanity. these are issues that in jesse james is life and custer's life are right at the center of their lives. so i'm not going to sit here, i have political views, but i'm not here is a political pundit. i do think these issues though they're not exactly the same, i'm not going to condemn one group of american and praise others for their political views, but certainly those tensions still play out, always in a different way, but those tensions and struggles go right back to the civil war era. >> i would imagine that 3000 references might be a little little intimidating in doing your resorts, research, but i was wondering if you were a modern biographer looking forward, whether you would and t the or b

. >> i think that it is incumbent as it would be on christian it's the ku klux klan was still runningd and hanging people in the name of christiancy and hanging black people and saying that they're christians, i would expect christians to come out into the streets and say to hell with this. >> okay. stop. stop. you are saying that president should say radical islamic terrorism? >> i think he ought to address it for what it s it is a scurge within a certain faith. it's not most muslims. but i think it's about reality. >> okay. so, van, i heard david gergen saying whether he was in the reagan administration, reagan wanted to call rush yacht evil empire. the soviet union evil empire. he said number onest cleegdz told the president he should do it. looking back, david gergen says now he was wrong. his colleague was right. reagan did it. we need to know, the american people, what we're up against in calling it the right thing is the right thing to do. >> okay. if there are so many things said now that are just factually wrong that it is really hard to correct it all. first of all, this is

comes from north carolina, i'm from south carolina, and both of us remember the original name of the ku the white knights, white christian knights. people misuse religion all the time. and because somebody is misusing muslims or that faith, we ought not be criticizing the entire religion. we don't criticize all christians because there are a lot of people who do things that's called white supremacists as christians. and so there are renegades in every religion, renegades in every ethnic background, and let's treat them as they should be treated and not have any aspersions cast on any religion. the muslim faith, islamic faith is an honorable faith and we ought to treat it that way. >> congressman james clyburn of south carolina, sir, thank you for your time today. >> thank you. >>> coming up, donald trump refuses to elaborate on his own remarks about president obama, suggesting the commander in chief has a secret agenda. what does trump mean by that? does the presumptive gop nominee have any proof regarding this comment? i will talk to his spokesperson from the trump campaign about what