because i think lincoln is the morenteresting character. david could have a response or his own views to this. lincoln seems to me to grow more religious in the greater the moral burden of the war and its almost as though lincoln says that some level, i cannot bear the moral burden of this war. and i basically have to hand it off to somebody else so his first inaugural address, lincoln refers to the better angels of human nature but he's not speaking directly to god or that in the way he is in the second inaugural address when he basically said, the civil war was god's will. we needed the business of fat every drop of blood, it must be read paid by a drop of blood by the sword. it might be god's will. that's pretty close to saying was out of my hands from don't blame me for this, god built that pathway. unnatural kind of response because this is one of those cases where if lincoln had not made the decision he made in response then things would have been very different. it's very rare a single person the hinge of faith t

lincoln. they have the same response. and that is that lincoln seems, to me, to grow more religious the longer the war lasts. and the greater the moral burden of the war. and it is almost as though lincoln says at some level, i cannot bear the moral burden of this war. and i basically have to hand this off to somebody else. so in his first inaugural address, he refers to the better angels of men. and he basically says, he comes really close to says this war is god's will and we need it -- the business about if every drop of blood must repaid by a drop drawn by the sword, it might be god's will. it is pretty close to saying this is out of my hands, god willed it this way. this is one of those cases where if lincoln had not made the decision that he made in response to southern succession, it is very rare that a single person can be the hinge of faith that way. but if lincoln said okay to the south, i don't like it, you know, but i'm not going to fight it, then there would not have been a civil war, at least not then, and it

they are applying pressure in the lincoln administration in washington d.c. and getting nowhere in this promotion. the lash out of lincoln, self-respect is already startled at what i've done and i cannot go further. esther lincoln's treatment of me has been so shabby that i would feel almost humiliated today to receive an appointment from him. what an interesting fellow. clamoring to rise and get a promotion, the opportunity may be there and to humiliated to accept it. several days after he writes about this, pope start begins to rise again, he overcomes the setbacks four days after he writes a note about lincoln, he's given a chance independent command which if successful, almost guarantees a regular commission promotion. henry will appoint pope to the command of the army of mississippi february 30, 1962. he would recall pope from his time with his time in st. louis to give commands and as pope is willing to leave and except he talks with his wife to assure her that she would be okay and so he went. pope would be given command of 25000 men, largest command ye

so the following day, lincoln, stanton and pope will meet privately. at the end of the conversation, lincoln concludes pope is staying in the east and taking this command. and on june 27th, pope will assume command of the army of virginia. lincoln has chosen pope for political purposes, not for his battlefield abilities. lincoln is also not ready to relieve the general. there's other factors going into the decision. secretary chase has chosen pope because he will fight a hard, relentless contest unsparing of southern populous, especially in virginia. chase is arguing to lincoln and stanton about bringing him east. primarily on the grounds of policy is. and doing so with patronage. stanton's sole objective for pope is to humiliate mcclellan. you told your commanding officer this is not the command for me. it will not be successful. and being placed in this position with all the sub contents in mind ask you're expected to be successful on it, pope demeres again. he says, i don't want this position. send me back out west. but the question then comes in at

brian: the speech was impactful. he put work in, lincoln lucky, he hit the books. >> he looks at is founding fathers and their position on issue of whether slavery can spread to west, majority were against that, we said, we republican are more in line with founding fathers than democrats, and said what are practical implications of giving in to democrats on this one, allowing slavery to spread, he warned this country will remain divided, they want us to no longer speak out against slavery that would infringer on our freedoms as americans, by protects slavery we would destroy the spirit of the united states, when they heard the words and how he issued slavery, he has a handle and democrats have something to worry about. other argument that democrats were radical party, they are those who and many followers in south, who said, you know if any republican gets elected in november, we're going secede. brian: abraham lincoln became president of the united states and afterward south carolina seceded following by other, forming federal states of am

throughout the 18 fifties lincoln a moderate politician this is the young lincoln lawyer he was antislavery politician and then to the platform of the non- expansion of slavery the constitution the defensive position since the federal government has a target to end slavery. and competing loyalties in the constitution and as early as the 1930s and expresses that is any abolitionist. so the balancing act was expressed in qualified support from 1850 lincoln argued for actions must accompany the constitutionally mandated rendition and during the lincoln douglas debates 1858 which catapulted him to national fame that was the long-held belief to hold it to equal citizenship and in here to colonization of the blacks back to africa so after the secession on his election lincoln was willing to compromise on abolition in the south but not on the non- extension platform of the republican party. healing the election as a victory and certainly more southerners viewed him as a step better than an abolitionist and an abolitionist in disguise. one of the most ardent critics argued for the first time in his

the 1850s, this is the young lincoln. he was a modern anti-slave politician. he had adhered to the platform of the nonexpansion of slavery, constitutionally dispensable position s since the federal government had the constitutional part toet end slavery in the federal territories but not in the states themselves. lincoln had balanced his competing loyalties to anti-slavery, the union, and the constitution. even though in his speeches starting as early as the 1830s, he had expressed his moral abhorrence of slavery. now, hisis balancing act here w expressed in his qualified support for the draconian slave laws 1850. lincoln argued that protection for free blacks must accompany the constitutionally mandated slave rendition. during the famous lincoln senatorialnc debate in 1858 whi catapulted him to national fame, lincoln used political expediency and longheld belief, made clear his opposition to equal citizenship and voting rights foror african-americans, and adhered to colonization of free blacks back to africa, a position

and following the defeat, lincoln and stanton give in. the genesis for lincoln's trip to west point, the genesis for calling pope east. stanton reveals there's going to be an objective for the newly recritted a army. first too, protect washington. objective two, defend the shenandoah valley and objective three, defend the pennsylvania railroad. by accomplishing these objectives and particularly the vital rebel rail rink with the shenandoah valley, they hope it would compel the confederates around washington d.c. and opposite mcclellan's army, that they would pull away from mcclellan and it would ease mcclellan 's way into the city of richmond. stanton says he's been called east to carry out these objectives. it's at this point in the conversation that stanton stops talking and they just look at each other. and there's this long, awkward silence. stanton finally says to pope, general, you don't seem to approve the arrangements i have outlined to you. pope responds, mr. secretary, i entirely concur in the wisdom of concentrating these wide-s

but remember, this is the pervert lead lincoln project. should have left the kept their cofounder away from young men. thank you. but this hoax was so lame even would have said maybe you shoul be, but the morons behind him were so mad they tweeted about it until it all started to fall apart like a burrito made by a one arm cook their heat people recognize that a democrat in th picture. sadly they would never work again will all be promoted to higher positions for this is th democrat party were talking about. it wearing black face doesn't get you fired, what does? but they literally tried to smear decent people using a hoa based on a hoax the widely discredited when people lie capitalizing on the tragedy is of others such a stunt should render them less employable tha anyone not named hunter. who will hire people like this? since they're already dressed for it, maybe the gap. or a job at transportation wher attendance is not mandatory. now, if we were cnn and those people were republicans, chris cuomo would already have docs them between se

and then, within hours, the light collapsed and that's when we learned that the lincoln project was whaty said they were come up behind this. watch. >> you get crushed by people on the right is a dirty tactic. you stand behind what was done, and is that being what you guys that you will post? >> no. listen, every day i hear people pleading with the lincoln project to help show democrats how to win, how to play hardball. you know, this is an example. >> tucker: so they told us for ten months that january 6th was an nazi rally. there are nazi rallies everywhere, there aren't any nazi rallies in this country ever, because there's not that much racism because it's a really nice country but they have toun tell us that there are and at this point, they had to make one up -- you've got to wonder under the current rules, to which we are all subject, white is the lincoln project still on twitter and facebook? has bank of america closed its accounts on moral grounds as they've done to so many people on the right? are these creeps at the lincoln project, some of them apparently covered for their tr

side-by-side in the rotunda and as we briefly mentioned, in the state ceremony, they have used the lincoln catapult which you can see in greater detail here. what the congress and the capitol institution it decided do to facilitate this dual ceremony, this joint ceremony of high honor was to create a replica an exact replica of the second capitol that can be used with multiple caskets are needed as a side-by-side you have the lincoln catapult in the second catapult and they actually during the course of the lying estate they rotated the caskets of the world war ii and korean war so some point both rested on the lincoln catapult as part of this great tribute and they were then carried with great honor and somber spirit to arlington national cemetery in front of farther along the main area we were showing you a moment ago. after the conclusion of the vietnam war, congress passed in 1973, 93 - 33, which the selection of an internment of an unknown soldier from the vietnam war. there was actually at this point, some skepticism that an unknown, that there would be unknowns this week in advance

but the brothers who did some of the carving work at the lincoln memorial and elsewhere at the monument to washington, they worked on the monument of the tomb of the unknown soldier. so it's steeped into the washington history as well. >> samuel holliday, one of the things that i think we should talk about as we come to the end of our time together, that when they first approach us, one of the things that he was very interested in was encouraging people to celebrate the tomb of the unknown soldier, in their own communities on this veterans day coming up in november. while there's not a tomb of the unknown soldier in every community, there are people who served in the military and people who lost loved ones across the nation. that is one thing that the tomb it does as a society has set of resources that we can include in a follow-up information it with ideas about how to celebrate and balance and everybody gone and including you can do this on your phone and everybody in the amazing thing is you don't need it church but they have them on the phones and a variety that everyone can see the

how can the lincoln project getaway doing something like this? is assert their own caused more than the youngkin campaign? a beautiful party panel tonight. podcast host and spectator usa could dramatic, contributed editor, whatever. just really fancy. even l miller and podcast -- whatever. aggressive progressive. there equally turning, i mean that i love. christopher hahn. liberty activist and foundation for economic education writer, olivia ron is back, welcome, everyone. hi, pleased to see me, thanks everyone. stephen, i will start with you because if this is what you're doing to try to swing the race at the end, it feels like your ideas have already failed. >> kind of knew the lincoln project when be able to resist jumping into a race with the candidate being duncan, you kind of knew it was a stump right off the back, you know their son even when their players have a diversity panel, we are going to put up person of color in a woman who's probably only paid 83 cents on the dollar of the cause. if you're putting african-americans on, i think you

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side by side you have the lincoln catapult. and during the laying in state, they rotated the caskets of the world war ii and korean war unknowns so that both rested on the lincoln catafalque as part of this great tribute. they were carried with great honor and somber spirit to our national cemetery for sburnment in front of and farther along the plaza that we were showing you a moment ago. now, after the conclusion of the vietnam war, congress passed a 1973 public 93-43 which authorized the selection of an sburnment of an unknown soldier in the vietnam war. there was actually at this point some skepticism that an unknown -- that there would be unknowns as we had advanced identifying technology which had been introduced by the first world war, but they had been made more reliable and were more reliably used to identify remains whether there would be an unknown. but by the 1980s, an unknown soldier had been identified or had -- i should say had been selected. that comes up later in just a moment. so a brief note, hamilton fish iv,

well the lincoln project has succeeded one thing, failing more than any other group out there at doingoing to do. and the irony of the lincoln project is it is composed of judeish republican who is support democrats since they don't get republicans they report for elected an irony of this is they're getting more republicans elected now when they were actually working as republican consultants they spent 300,000 against youngkin favor mcauliffe that was kiss of death that's how i knew he was going to lose. so how much of that 300,000 wect to support a group of fake white supremacists they put out there or real white supremacist hey no one knows because no one actually interviewed them. look at these goof balls and didn't interview them because they were paid for by the loing project if it were actually republicans god forbid in hand cuffs interrogated right now and no segment on loing project would be complete on their tremendous successes in the united states senate without going through some of their outstanding record in the u.s. senate. remember when they spent 4.3 million of defeat

the only expertise lincoln project has is knowing the best place to watch boys soccer practice.sh. speaking of perv enablers, where is rick wilson or john weaver or steve schmidt some. boy, did they go silent? they're as done as a bag of microwave popcorn cooked on high and they deserve it. after creating that tiki too. hoax destroying the lives of a few stupid democrat operatives they should be shunned for life. to call them scum is an insult to everything currently living on the rim of a public toilet. no offense, andrew cuomo. you keep hearing the phrase bell weather the selection of a canary in a coal mine. we were chirping to anyone who listened that wokism was racism in drag and would ultimately drag the terrified democrats into the abyss. the deems don't watch this show. if they did they could have seen this coming. now they're as screwed as a 12-dollar hooker leaving hunter's room at the motel 6. [applause] >> why do cheap hooker lines always work? instead they listened to the clueless creeps at cn and msnbc and now you see those dopes finally coming to grips with their

the>> perfectly phrased. lucas, you have written so powerfully about lincoln and the founders. and lincoln quoted james wilson, for the proposition that secession was unconstitutional, because we the people of the united states of the whole, having made the union consent as a whole, we can alter it. is it fair to say that wilson gives credit for redefining sovereignty and placing it in we the people of the united states? and how would you rate his contribution to american constitutional history? >> well, i would agree that james wilson was the legal mind at the constitutional convention. no doubt about it. his lectures are still read to this day. that being said, look -- my reading, of course, whether it's a gloss on wilson -- it's unclear to me, at least, in my own time reading, if you ever read the federalist papers -- while lincoln argues in his first inaugural, he talks about secession but he only grants it the idea of it having to be an agreement among states, who may unilaterally leave the union. and even if you were to believe in the states at the state by state level, th

and the founders, and lincoln quoted james wilson for the proposition suck skegz was unconsecutional because we the people as the united states swloel, is it fair to say wilson deserves credit for redefining sovereignty and placing it in we, the people, the united states? and how would you rate his contribution to american constitutional history? >> i agree that james wilson the legal mind at the constitutional convention. there's no doubt about it, and his lectures still to this day. what lincoln argues in his address when he talks about succession, he only grants the idea of it having to be an agreement among the states to deny any particular states unilaterally leads the union. he only grants that in order to show even if you were going to believe in states at a state by state level. true sovereignty lies with the people, not with any government. the government have powers delegated territory whether it's the state or federal levels. so lincoln was trying to reinforce the conviction around people they are the true masters of their government and not the other w

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he was starting 82 plus years in the life of robert lincoln. ent oldest son is a union soldier, minister to great britain, u.s. secretary of war the president of the chicago-based company. jason is an independent historian who's been writing about the lincoln family for over 20 years. >> on this episode of book notes plus, it's available on the c-span now apple or wherever you get your podcast. ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ >> i thought a good place to start, asking each of

the winning general. and not that into it. but he's getting his fourth star, lincoln calls him up to washington and he brings his son, fred. there's so many moments during his presidency, not the least of which is the end, which is the 1876 election. the country is divided. three states put up two set of electors. those states are saying we are not deciding. we're going to say both of them won. the violence starts to bubble up. the grant starts to work behind the scenes for the grand bargain which keeps the country together. >> i really admire that. you worked the anti-politician. it's not interesting and that's what led to so many of the scandals that took place during this presidency. >> there's some decent size scandals in his administration but nothing that ties to him other than any inability to choose the right person or rather choose the wrong person to trust. >> talk about the 14th amendment and essentially and that grant needed to and wanted to enforce it. this was not something easy to do. there's a palpable sense if you can't enforce it, what good is it? th

the king? >> lucas, you've written so powerfully about lincoln and the founders. and lincoln quoted james wilson for the proposition that succession was unconstitutional. because we the people of the united states as a whole, having made the union, need the consent of we the people as a whole to alter it. is it fair to say that wilson deserves credit for redefining sovereignty and placing it in we the people of the united states? and how would you rate his contribution to american constitutional history? >> well i agree that james wilson was the legal mind at the constitutional convention. there is no doubt about it. and his lectures are are still that to this day. but my reading of lincoln of course, whether it is a gloss on wilson or others that read were not clear, to me at least in all my time reading lincoln that he ever read if federalist papers. i don't think he did. but what lincoln argues in his first inaugural address when he talks about secession, he only grants the idea of it having to be in agreement among the states to deny that any particular state c

the time. in fact lincoln was on the featured speaker and it was actually edward everett senator from massachusetts and spoke for two hours lincoln waited to give the poignant closing words and today of course we recognize the gettysburg address is perhaps the greatest moment of president speech in history. and people didn't necessarily see the speech that way at the time he was not the speech or speaker in front of fact that lincoln's greatness will not recognize at the time in general. you have to remember that when lincoln became president, he had on certain public office for ten years. country style address and his mannerisms and his self-education, all that meant that lincoln was looked upon with some degree of on intention from the eastern leaks in the country perhaps not much was expected from the presidency. however today there is little dispute and i would look at this as a debate not a science and there are no laws, no findings, no discoveries and instead of people making an argument that it may or may not be persuasive to you and i think that's important to know when you think about the