>> the machinists union, if i may follow up, the machinists union today put out some numbers showing that ge is one of the major exporters of american jobs over the last five years. so doesn't the president and mr. immelt, as the chairman of the competitive council, sort of contradict the president's message that we have to create new jobs here in america? >> well, i'd say first and foremost, bill, i don't think the message is contradictory, largely because what we did was -- the stop that we made was to visit the birthplace of general electric, a place where the company is bringing back jobs from overseas back into, in that case, upstate new york and back into this country. i think virtually every one of the -- as you walked around the floor of that factory, you saw that virtually every one of the enormous pieces of equipment -- the turbines for different types of energy implements -- almost all of them or a good measure of them were going overseas. we're manufacturing -- bringing jobs back in order to manufacture products in this country that then get sold overseas and help support