hillary clinton, the mainstream people seem to have been pulled opposing hillary clinton, skeptical ofhe transpacific partnership. story,you write in your big companies like low taxes but they aren't extremists. if you stick up their neck -- very few stick out their neck like tim cook with apple. guest: he did get apple to unlock the iphone. there is an example of the world's most viable company taking on the federal government . so few companies are willing to do that. ideological. they want to please shareholders, employees, boards of directors, get the work done. the last thing they want to do is go into a fight with anybody. carol: does history tell us anything? guest: i think it can. organization,er the committee for economic development forward because people were worried as soon as the stimulus of war spending ended the u.s. would lapse into another great depression. it didn't happen but at the time we didn't know that. this committee was made up of ceos and their objective was to make sure the economy would be strong for the good of all. they were instrumental in forming the wo

lot of the candidates, donald trump, bernie sanders, seem to be gaining because people who are just disgruntled in this country as far as the economy, they feel left behind as far as mainstreamashington politics as usual. why are they doing so well at the economy is recovering well as you see it? an awful recession and on top of that, we had three decades, really only interrupted in the late 90's, we had three decades where the middle and the bottom stagnated or fell behind. so i think this frustration has been building for some time and i think people are ripe for something of a populist message. i think it is important for the candidates to be responsible with their messages. forink it is irresponsible them to make claims about how they are going to cause the economy to suddenly take off, where what we are suddenly seeing is the gradual improving of the economy is going to continue to show strengthening job growth, strengthening wage growth, and incomes. matt: bernie sanders has said that he has a plan to boost gdp to five point 3% growth to 5.3% boost per year, meaning incomes that would bring down on a planet rates to 3.8%, i think he worked on this plan with the univers

the clichi. nonetheless, it did seem to me that with, that i couldn't figure out why people felt this way. and so i tried to look at the mainstream view which i tentatively describe and try to understand and then to look at the critics of that view, most of whom can be, some of whom who are free-market, libertarians. there's a very good economic economist at nyu called william easterly who belongs to that school. there's also a canadian writer who is associated, wrote a book that was very controversial that bill gates denounced in the most savage terms called the end of aids whichis a critique of development aid in the global south . but the main opposition to this mainstream view, this view that asserts we are going to abolish extreme poverty and hunger by 2030, more or less is to be found among what you might some up as the members of the anti-globalization movement. people who think fundamentally that the problems that capitalism cannot solve the problem it's created and that in the end, the slogan of the anti-globalization movement is another world is possible and that without that other world, which is a political and moral

the same fortitude and backing up his people and sticking to it as trump does. >> what do you think of cheryl's point that at least some in the mainstream media and the way they handicap race seem to want an outcome where there is a one-on-one between cruz and -- excuse me, between trump and marco rubio and have their thumb on the scale? >> i think there's a merging of mainstream media and the establishment. is there something between new york and washington and members of congress and the media and the way they're portraying this race and actually putting their thumb on it. >> and that is why there's a lot of public anger at us in the mainstream media because they feel like we have become part of the establishment and a lot of people see us as anti-trump. before we go, trump in an interview or was it in a debate? he's done it since. talked about the libel laws. he criticized "the new york times" and "washington post" coverage. he said he's going to make the libel laws tougher and so that if anyone writes purposely negative and horrible and false articles question sue them and win lots of money. your reaction? >> i do have sympathy to the idea that a public figure today has alm

the insulter in chief for so long, and no one seems to care. his supporters don't care. he has really mainstreamed the marginalized. those people, i think, with eminent domain. i don't think they are concerned with political correctness. they are still going to be trump supporters. >> gloria, donald trump just tweeted moments ago that ted cruz, in his words, is the definition of sleaze. it didn't take very long. >> i guess the bromance is over. >> i think it is. >> what do you think? look, i think what cruz is trying to do here is to say to conservatives, it's something jeb bush has been trying to do for quite some time, is to say to conservatives, he's not like us. i'm the real conservative in this race. and also to sunny's point, i care about you, and he doesn't care about you. so what -- he's trying to differentiate himself here because he believes he is in the same lane for winning this south carolina primary as, you know, as trump is. by the way, marco rubio also going on the attack. this debate on saturday night among republicans is not going to be a pretty thing because in south carolina, politics gets pretty nasty, as y

seems to be consol ziefght those conservative voters. and trump even though other candidates disappeared from the ballot, he states where he has been. but other people dropped off the bam lot. the mainstream candidates have picked up a bit. we are seeing predictable movement given the way the rhetoric has been flying and what we think about the coalition aspects winding up in south carolina. charles: it feels like they are moving in opposite directions. you wonder about momentum. kasich at 6%. he's not even going not state saturday. could we see those guise lose some of that support? >> i think you will. part of this is what we are talking about, some of the mainstream candidates fall by the wayside. sow that support would go to kasich and bush. but you have your finger on something. nature of the conversation, the tone after the debate of the advertisements. some of these establishment candidates, especially kasich have been playing the happy warrior, not taking the bait. where rubio, trump and cruz have been even -- have been engaging in mono-monofighting. charles: ted cruz and donald trump battling each other terribly if you will. we understand south carolina is a quote blood sport sta

the question is what happens in new hampshire. trump seems to have a huge lead. can rubio bring the maybe -- mainstream from other candidates? that's the big question. can rubio get the endorsements and start surprising people. >> maria: what do you think about that before we go live to jo ling kent who is in des moines right now? >> rubio is a third-place candidates. i think he's going to get big endorsements from south carolina. what's very interesting, maria, 90% of the vote, over 90% of the vote last night went to folks who either never held elected office or only been in since 2010. still, i would say an outsiders race, that's a good thing for the gop. great turnout and great energy and it wasn't just because of donald trump. >> maria: good point. stay was. we want to get your take on new hampshire because with iowa in the books, candidates are racing to new hampshire. that's where jo ling kent is. jo, good morning to you. >> jo ling: good morning, maria. bernie sanders just landing and he says he is in it to win it. >> when we began this campaign i think it's fair to say we were considered to be a campaign, i would hope that most people no longer believe that. >> jo ling: now, senator bernie sanders h

people say , look, the supreme court never get that far away from mainstream public opinion, and if it does, it does not stay there. and with campaign finance or form, the supreme court really does seemo be pursuing an unpopular position. and, why is it doing that? it is hard to say. attributingid narrow partisan motives to the justices. about a lot ofay decisions, hey they benefit one political party or the other, i try to think about it in terms not narrow partisan politics, but is sort of broader worldview. how do justices think the world works? and one thing that you can say, i think, pretty confidently about the roberts court, is the roberts court is very comfortable corporations. they think that large corporations are a pretty benign force. in the political world. they think, hey, speech is good. why should we distrust speech just because it is coming from a large corporation? this is good information for the american people. and maybe they think, hey, the american people are smart enough to figure out when they are being lied to. i also think the american people are smart, but i generally think the influence of corporations on politics is not as benign as the roberts court sup

mainstream republicans to death. i don't know where it goes from here. better about this. >> but the polling seemed to go back and forth between him and turnout. it shows it doesn't necessarily translate into people going to vote for him. >> a lot of the people who were for marco rubio -- for -- i mean for donald trump, you know, this whole iowa thing is kind of complicated. you know, you've got to go, you've got to spend a couple of hours, and i think a lot of those people, this was new for them. and even though a lot of them -- you know, they just didn't show up. >> i think what we learned was there was a higher percentage of evangelicals turning out than in 2008 and ted cruz really has the ground game and he's going to execute that ground game in new hampshire on march 1st and 15th. >> he had a better ground game out there than el chapo had. >> you know, i think hillary clinton has problems and i think this really underscored that. bernie sanders who never sought office as a democrat gave her a run. i think bern sanders is going to win there. the bad news is this is where it all ends for him. once you get to south carolina, you've got it. let's not forget. -- >> bill clinton lost. >> he's goin

people coming out and being able to use it against him and say, look. this is not where we want to take the republican party. making him seem more out of the mainstream be positioned as, right? >> david, former chairman of the republican national committee ken mehlman wrote this on facebook. leaders don't need to do research to reject klan support and don't mock people with disabilities, insult war heroes, divide people by religion and nationality and insult women. #nevertrump. how significant is this? >> in any normal circumstance, that would be a bombshell that's a former chairman of the national republican committee is being so opposed to the guy that is poised to sew up the party's nomination. that would be an earthquake in american politics, much like senator ben sass and his comments he wouldn't be able to -- >> or mitt romney calling him disgusting. >> yet, in this environment, i think that only emboldens trump, and i don't think -- and i don't think -- >> -- establishment support. >> precisely. i think it's significant. ken mehlman has not been one to jump into these fights since he's left has tenure at the rnc. here he's clearly -- >> there'