because he's the guy from massachusetts. e guy from massachusetts, whether a republican or democrat, always wins new hampshire. in 2004, john kerry, in 1992, paul songas, 1998 michael dukakis, henry cabot lodge, john f. kennedy. when a massachusetts politician is running for president it's a safe bet they will wine in new hampshire. they will win. there are two exemptions to the rule. two exceptions to the massachusetts guy winning in new hampshire in modern political history. 1980, jimmy carter got a primary challenge from the left from inside the democratic party from ted kennedy, ted kennedy was from massachusetts, he did not beat the incumbent president in that new hampshire primary. that is kind of an exception but it wasn't incumbent president, so not really. the only other exception to the massachusetts guy not winning in new hampshire, the massachusetts guy being surprisingly weak, defying history to lose new hampshire, the only other example? mitt romney. when he lost new hampshire in 2008 to john mccain of arizona.

my district is more democrat than the state of massachusetts. i stood up with the conservative principles. i didn't do what governor romney did in 1994, i was running the same year he did, and i ran in the state of pennsylvania against an incumbent. romney ran for ronald reagan and said he would be to the left of ted kennedy. we need somebody that will stand up and fight for the conservative principles and not bail out and not run and not run to the left of ted kennedy. >> you did say four years ago he would stand up for principles. >> john mccain. >> well, a lot of things were inaccurate, and i will not go through them one by one, but i will tell you i think it's unusual and understandable that people that spend their life in politics imagine if you get in politics that's all you want to do. i went to massachusetts to make a difference. i did not go there to begin a political career running time and time again. i made a difference and put in place the things i wanted to do, and i listed out the accomplishments we wanted to pursue in our administ

the british authorities, governor lawrence, governor shirley in massachusetts, and the men of massachusetts said now is the time to strike at acadia and nova scotia. what can we do there? if we push out the french, we will settle there. the land will be ours. it's wartime. the enemy cannot be trusted. and so the key to the expulsion was the new england invasion assisted and, of course, the new englanders were coming to nova scotia which was british territory but they were to making war against the french forts in the border region. that was what was occurring. and if those attacks were successful, then they could go about the expulsion and only if the attacks were successful. it was wartime again. and sure enough, the new england men, 2,000, with some british support, most of the troops were new england, they had some british ships assisting them and a hundred british troops. they took over the french canadian force. after those forts were taken over, the year was 1755. it was the summer. the government in nova scotia, the british government decided to go ahead with the evacuation. well, th

the british authority, governor lawrence, governor shirp lee in massachusetts and the men of massachusetts said now is the time to strike at acadia. what can we do there? >> if we push out the front, it will be settles there. it's car time. the enny cannot be trusted. the key to the expulsion was the new england invasion assisted and of course, the new englanders were coming to nova scotia. they were to making war against the french forts in the border region. that was what was occurring. if those attacks were sufficiently thep they could go about a wimp pi dog and only physical the fax were sufficiently. it was wartime again. sure new the new england men, they had some british ships assisting them. they took over the french ka p canadian force. shortly after they were taken out p the year was 1755. it was the summer. the government in nova scotia, the british government decided to go ahead with the evacuation. the only way governor lauren could accomplish that was through the massachusetts true. that is what occurred. it was a very, very sad tragic train of events a report came out of hal

was going to write up the amendments? of massachusetts said we will ratify and propose a minister subsequent ratification. that's of the five next states to meet for, you know, took that solution. it was a compromise for the good of the country basically. but amendments were the issue, not the constitution. amendments were really the issue. yes? >> what happened in delaware? >> À la where was sneaky. i mean, the pennsylvanians were talking and talking, and the delaware met and said boom, boom, boom, yes, and they be pennsylvania. i thought indo. so we don't have an awful lot of records for delaware. and often they say newspaper, oh, this wasn't published in delaware. i think delaware got its newspapers from the neighboring states, you know? they had some circling but that was a good thing people read here. so that's a little unrealistic. i thought that was beautiful. actually, and i have to say after i studied the first convention, i wrote something on the pennsylvania convention and the show to a friend of mine, one of the two people to

the massachusetts family institute is an anti-gay group based in boston, massachusetts, that advocates all sorts of anti-gay causes. and that explains that if anybody is gay, well, you should quit that. "we encourage the healing of individuals who wish to change their choice of lifestyle through the work of exodus international, love won out, and parents and friends of ex-gays and gays." so in the same way that one might choose to be like a ski bum or a civil war reenactor or like i don't know, a mathlete, maybe. in the same way that one might choose to be any of those things, these guys say that being gay is something that you can just choose not to do. you can decide not to do it. and how do these recommended groups from the romney-funded organization propose that you do that? they promote magic therapy by which you can be cured of your affliction. like our old friend, richard cohen advertised. >> reporter: another technique, bioenergetics with, designed to help clients release memories stored in the muscles, in this case, hitting a pillow with a tennis rack et. >> i was angry with m

my district was more democratic than the state of massachusetts. i stood up and fought for the conservative principles. i did not do what governor romney did in 1994. i was running the same year he ran in 1994. i ran against an incumbent. governor romney lost by almost 20 points. at the end of that campaign, he would not stand up for conservative principles. he ran from ronald reagan and said he would agree with ted kennedy on gay-rights an abortion and a whole host of issues. we want someone, when the time gets tough, we want someone who is going to stand up and fight for the conservative principles. not bailout and not run and run to the left of ted kennedy. >> when you endorsed him four years ago, you said those words -- that he would stand up for conservative principles. >> white john mccain. -- like a john mccain. >> a lot of things are inaccurate. it is unusual, and perhaps understandable, that people who spend a life in politics, when you get in politics, that is all you want to do. if you have been elected, you want to get reelected. i went

>host: does the massachusetts constitution require a balanced budget in the state? guest: he talks about the balanced budget but i don't want to say a wrong answer. host: did he more frequently choose to balance it by cutting government programs and services or by raising taxes? guest: there was a lot of controversy over some statements about fees because he raised a number of fees and does not like to call them tax hikes. other people say is the same deference. he did a combination of both. it is fair to say. he worked with the legislature who were 85% democratic. you have to make compromises and the pragmatic. you cannot come in and say you will tell them what to do. he had to work with these folks. he was not the glad handing politician. he was a very workmanlike person trying to get this thing done when he decided he could do health care. he sat down with the data and his advisers and asked how he could do this. there were federal funds that are described in. detail in. there were parts of federal money that helps things happen that might not be so easy to do in

the massachusetts supreme court requires it. ere's a difference. >> the plan complies with the law. okay. let's go. romney. let me ask you about santorum. he seems to have the appeal, sort of the regular middle-class sort of blue-collar guy in his presentation. his grandfather came from italy, escaping mussolini's rule. a lot of it sound like the perfect pat buchanan view which i come from too, which is somewhat ethnic, very much patriotic, very much live free or die and very much anti-big government. will santorum benefit from the buchanan vote out here? will they come out for him against romney? >> i don't think senator santorum's been up here enough for people to know him. and he deserves to be congratulated for spending a year in iowa and doing as well as he did. but i think what he lacks up here is a structure to do it and, frankly, a message that really doesn't -- resonates. i think the governor, governor romney's message of being an executive resonates more. >> if he holds romney below 40 points, does he win? >> who? >> sa

the voters here know him. they know his record in massachusetts. t the republicans did something over the last few days that they clearly didn't do months ago. and that is, they challenged mitt romney on his major message, which is, he is a businessman. he is a leader. and that he can create jobs. rick santorum, newt gingrich, rick perry, they tore into that record. and i think, mitt romney, while he's the leader in south carolina, he will have to reconstruct his message, that he's a candidate that can bring something different to the table for republicans. he lost among self-identified independents. and didn't do well with middle-class voters. mitt romney has a lot to do. >> i want to pick up on something you said and play you guys something. the sense that occupy wall street has taken over the candidates. listen to what rick perry had to say about mitt romney's tenure as a venture capitalist at bain capital. >> they're just vultures. they're vultures that are sitting out there on the tree limb, waiting for the company to get sick. and then, they s

the point is that they were shipped to the mainland colonies from massachusetts, to south carolina, and -- and virginia didn't even want the 1,000 acadians that the british shipped to them. they said we don't want these poor people. we don't want to support them, so the british shipped those to england and then to france, those 1,200 people. they shipped the 3,000 here to france, but of those 3,000 in 1758, 1,658 died in crossing the atlantic. ships going down at sea or of malnourishment and disease and exposure. eventually, of course, some of these refugees will make their way to louisiana and become the people we know as the cajuns from their ancestral home in acadia from which they were expelled. and they will come to louisiana once that colony will pass from french to spanish governance in the mid to late 1760s, and perhaps 2,000 will come 2,500, will come to louisiana in the mid to late 1760s and establish lives there. and in a totally different environment. well, the descendants of those people today, as you may know, still maintain contact with the acadians, the french descendant

the massachusetts supreme court requires it. he plan complies with the law. okay. let's go. romney, let me ask you about santorum. he seems to have the appeal of sort of a regular middle-class, blue-collar guy, hi grandfather came from italy escape muse lynni's rule, it almost sounds like the pat buchanan view, where i come from, too, very much patriotic, very much live free and die, will they come out for him against romney? >> i don't think senator santorum has been up hoo here enough for people to know him. he deserves to be congratulated for spending a year in iowa and doing as well as he did, but i think what he -- what he lacks up here is a structure to do it and frankly a message that resonates. i think governor romney's message of being an executive resonates more. >> if he holds romney below 40 points, does he win? >> who? >> santorum. >> no. >> you won't give me my bar, but 25/35, that's the bar. whether we return, 35/25 is a win for santorum. >>> head me finish with the conservative church tent is actually opening its

the former massachusetts governor mitt romney. and the former senator from pennsylvania rick santorum. ladies and gentlemen, the republican presidential candidates. just before we came on the air tonight we recited the pledge of allegiance. please rise for our national anthem. we are blessed to have it performed by the military cadets from the citadel here in south carolina. ♪ o say, can you see by the dawn's early light ♪ ♪ what so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming? ♪ ♪ whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight ♪ ♪ o'er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming? ♪ ♪ and the rockets' red glare the bombs bursting in air ♪ ♪ gave proof through the night that our flag was still there ♪ ♪ oh, say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave ♪ ♪ o'er the land of the free ♪ ♪ and the home of the brave? ♪ >>> that was fabulous. want to ask the candidates to get comfortable with their proed yums while i tell but how tonight's debate will work. i'll ask questions as some of our members. i'll follo

the tab? >> well, that's in massachusetts, not in the entire country.nts a plan where each statet can decide what to do in their own state that wouldn't raise cost. let me tell you, gret ---- >>> yeah. but let me ask you about the mandate there. >> uh-huh? >> greta: so the viewers understand, the national plan has a mandate. the state plan has a mandate. you argue that the national plan mandate is unconstitutional, but there is a distinction with the state plan, is there not? >> yes. yes. the federal health care plan mandates that every person in this country buy insurance, and if not, we will be penalized or taxed. what we want is for each state to have the ability to regulate and create their own health care plans that best fit each state. that's what we want. that's what we mean when when we talk about the mandate. of the 26 states involved in the lawsuit that florida is leading, the majority of the states, some are governors, some are attorneys general, but the majority of the states involved in that health care lawsuit have endorsed mitt romney. an

now, the lake champlain theater on a historical map that's in the massachusetts historical society looks something like this. this is a lake, again, that has its northern point touching today the southern boundary of canada and the western side of the lake you have the state of new york, today the east side vermont. here is lake george. this would be a vital corridor of conflict in the war and bloody battles would be fought here chick only go into briefly today. the lake is -- lake champlain itself beginning here is 125 miles long and at its widest point, 12 miles wide. and it's in a valley even though it's ringed by mountains and very heavily wooded. the internal lines of communication between the st. lawrence river and the interior of north america, the key ones are by water. it's much easier to travel over water than land. and lake champlain leads southward to the hudson river valley. the land between, really, the colony of new york and then eastward is new england. so it's very vital region. this shows us where the fort -- french built a fort in the 1730s. that they ca the british wo

the former massachusetts governor mitt romney. >> hi, guys. newt. >> and the former senator from pennsylvania rick santorum. [ applause ] ladies and gentlemen, the republican presidential candidates. [ applause ] [ applause ] just before we came on the air tonight we recited the pledge of allegiance. now please rise for our national anthem. we're blessed tonight to have it performed from the cadets from the citadel right here in south carolina. ♪ oh, say can you see by the dawn's early light what so proudly we hailed ♪ ♪ at the twilight's last gleaming whose broad stripes and bright stars ♪ ♪ thru the perilous fight o'er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming ♪ ♪ and the rocket's red glare the bombs bursting in air ♪ ♪ gave proof through the night that our flag was still there ♪ ♪ oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave ♪ ♪ o'er the land of the free and the home of the brave ♪ [ applause ] >>> that was fabulous, absolutely fabulous. i want to ask the candidates to get comfortable at their podiums. i want to tell you about h

it's led to the highest cost health care in the nation in massachusetts. it's led to increased taxes. it's led to increased taxes on the federal level. because we've had to... we've been pumping literally billions of medicare dollars into the state of massachusetts to pay for romney care. it is an absolute disaster. and to have the two of them up against each other on the issue that americans are most... care most about and for us to give away that issue with governor romney would be a case of, in my opinion, malpractice on the part of the primary voters in the states to come. >> schieffer: is what you're saying, senator, is that mitt romney would be the worst candidate that republicans could put forward? he would be the weighingest candidate who would have the least chance to win? >> what i'm saying is he would not have the clear record that i have, that is better than anybody else in the field. that's why i'm running. of being for government out of the health care business, being for a plan that is a bottom-up private sector health care reform. i've had a

the union leader. he uses terms like you are a massachusetts moderate, that you managed the decay in massachusetts that you have changed your position on abortion, gun control and a series of other issuings, funded abortions in romneycare. do you think and do you anticipate when the debates come saturday night and sunday morning, that this is going to be a spirited -- to use senator mccain a words, in a moment as we have had in the campaign? >> oh, i don't know if it will be more spirited than in the past. of course, campaigns are an opportunity to get to know the candidate and other people are going to take their best shots. have you to respond to them appropriately or be sunk by them. i'm a big guy with broad shoulders. i am happy to accept the fact if i am in a race like this, i will face people with differing views. if they something that's not accurate, i will do my very best to correct t. some of the things the speaker's saying are not quite accurate. but i will get a chance to correct that. but this president that we have is taking the country in the wrong direction. i understand what tell take

he wants to be seen as anti-gay, particularly rate now in the campaign, but is the massachusetts familytitute promoting this ex-gay stuff, is this fringe stuff? >> i think it's fringe to most people, but in the anti-gay republican part of the party, this is seen as mainstream. they really do believe you can pray away the gay. and mitt romney should be ashamed of himself for supporting this in any way, shape, or form with his money. mitt romney has been very craven and absolutely disingenuous in his career. this is a guy who started out when he ran for senate against ted kennedy saying he'd be better for the lbgt movement because as a republican, he'd get more legislation passed. and then when he tried to run for governor, he said he actually supported the gay pride parade and said he'd support nondiscrimination clauses in the law. and suddenly he decides he wants to run for president and he becomes all anti-gay and did everything in his power to stop marriage equality from happening in massachusetts and when it did occur, he tried a 1913 law that was used to punish interracial couples s

talking about the massachusetts moderate. this is now something that comes out of newt gingrich's mouth almost at every event and every chance. what he will do is say, it's a version of the santorum argument, which is a pale pastel to quote ronald reagan will not beat barack obama. we need clear lines that need to be a clear conservative and gingrich will say, here's all of the ways in which mitt romney is just a squishy moderate. don't go with the squishy moderate you think is electable. go with the true conservative, mainly himself, gingrich, and that's the way he will beat barack obama. he will also make the keas in the debate, hand-to-hand combat in october 2012, newt gingrich has the stature, has the chops to do it. he will give everybody a demonstration as he tries to dance on mitt romney. gwen: i heard he started calling himself bold newt now. not angry newt but bold newt. >> another thing he's doing is circulating a rather devastating ad john mccain fashioned against mitt romney four years ago with all of the sort of f