i remember the debate about maternity units and emergency units. eople felt that ministerial groups were making decisions. that is completely the wrong way for us to deliver our health service. the pattern of health delivery should depend on the decisions that we make and the general practitioners make with us about where we want to be treated. the way to save the community hospital that i deeply believe and are good for us. the way to save them is to have general practitioners and us to make decisions to use those units so they are successful. that is how the provision of care like children's services should be determined rather than top-down decisions from whitehall. those of the big changes we want to make. lady here at the front. >> there is a people's couple difference between the conservatives attitude to the nhs and the labor attitude. can you sincerely believe in the nhs? >> my party has helped to build the national health service. it has been in service since after world war two. conservative governments have built hospitals, have built the

who has run campaigns in the last few years to save emergency unit, to stand up for the maternity units to campaign for the children services that has been conservative candidates, conservati mps. we have been the ones running the street, defending nhs while labour politicians have been shutting down much of the comiunity rvices. that's what has been happening. let's boil it down to one simple question. as they say in jerry maguire, show me the money. right? we have shown you the money. we have made an exception of the nhs. everyone knows that public spending cuts are going to have to be made after the next election if we have to do. very poorly. obden brown will not say it clear he. showed that everyone knows that's going to happen. even his own figures demonstrate it but we have made an exception to the nhs did we thinit is special. will he do the same? very simple question. [inaudible] >> thiguy is a member of the european parliament, quite eccentric views. and if you ask orden brown to back all of the use, of all the people, he still has people who want to nationalize its a. he stil