the second is a long tradition of cultural and political despotism in the middle east. he third is an increasingly assertive form of iranian political sectarianism that has alienated sunnis have the middle east. the fourth is the converse of this and assertive form of cynicism that has propagated itself outside of the middle east. the fifth ahistorical puritanism edition of the past as a golden age that we must restore in the here and now hence the claim to reestablish a caliphate and the sixth and most public and striking feature of isis is pedigree. it's the usual appetite for seemingly arbitrary and spectacular acts of violence. this tragic present which i would say has begun this summer went isis jumped onto the world stage did many things to the searing conflict. among them is up-ended the series series of faxes this book book about a few minutes ago those tightknit distinctions between iran and saudi arabia between russia and the united states at least for the time being. these tidy distinctions have vanished in the face of the common threat of isis. finally it has

islam in the middle east, the u.s.and iran, the multiplicity of asia and the continuing development of u.s. policy. they are often more important than the answers and secretary kissinger has some brilliant one such as what do we seek to prevent no matter how it happens and even if we have to do it alone what do we seek to achieve even if not supported by anyone what should we not engage in anything if urged by a multilateral group and i think most importantly what does the nature of the values that we seek to advance. you will be intrigued and challenged by this book. i can't finish without mentioning probably one of secretary kissinger's least known but as a transplanted native new yorker i think the most wonderful honor. he was made at the first honorary the first honorary member of the harlem globetrotters. [laughter] doctor kissinger will be interviewed at this evening by jeff greenfield in the acclaimed acclaimed acclaimed apollo debate television commentator in his own right to lecture here last year about his bo

as we said a moving target the art and science of middle east policy planning. and couldn't be a better moment for discussion that issue as we hear from important sources like the president of the united states, the difficulties of formulating a strategy for the middle east and to discuss those issues we've assembled, i think a stellar panel of the first speaker. you've got their bios in their little brochure. and i'm sure you know them anyway. but paul wolfowitz and the former deputy of defense and he was also the director of the state department in the early 1990's. we have jessica mathews. she's a foreman director of the council on foreign relations office. and she was the deputy under secretary of state for global affairs and also the director of the office of global issues on the national security council staff. and finally commenting on their two remarks is going to be my colleague david moss who is the distinguished fellow here at the washington institute. he has served for more than 25 years in high level of government with white house and in the regan, b

east and west. he's concerned about the rise of extremim in the middle east. >> saying there is an obvious solution would be arrow gavent from anybody. >> he says that anybody. >> i don't think anybody contests the fact that there is a need for much more discipline in fighting. nobody contests that. >> i spoke to carlos when he was passing through new york sdlfrn some years ago, you took me for a ride in a nissan leaf and you first walked me around it to make sure i recognized that there is no exhaust pipetook me leaf and you first walked me around it to make sure i recognized that there is no exhaust pipe. this is an electric car. what is your enthusiasm about electric cars? what is your forecast for the role that they will play? >> look. i am very excited about it. i think the technical challenge of mass marketing putting on the mass market for electric car is a success. we don't have quite a few problems. we don't have any reliability problems. the highest level of satisfaction between any other nissan car or renau car so in term of product, it's success. where we are having a problem is the sale

why are we in the middle east? what is the national interest of britain and the united states to be in the middle east? well, initially, it's to spread democracy, right? this is what we were going to do when we invaded iraq. that hasn't worked. now the mantra is that, well, we have to protect its energy security. well, energy security environment has changed radically now, and we have to sort of ask ourselves do we really need the middle east anymore? i mean, what purpose does it serve? now we're fracking, now with natural gas, with all these other sources of energy, maybe the middle east is not that important? maybe we can sort of walk away from it? if we do that, then we have to say, all right, then what do we have to prepare for? one of the things we have to prepare for in the short term are disruptions of energy supplies until we get our fracks or whatever else we -- fracking or whatever else we want to do, prepare for humanitarian relief because there's already been lots of bad stuff that's happened. so, you kn

the second question or need it is i think we are very short on strategic patients in the middle east and paul referred to this, i put a lot of blame in this case on the word arabs spring, and as we saw with the pivot can do enormous concrete damage to policy but it is ongoing, amazing to me how a word with so little content can have some much outcome on the ground but arabs spring did these people with a sense that things would change for the better fast in a linear kind of fashion. and undoing that is going to take a lot of doing, some director of policy planning needs to think hard about that. third, we are going to need, we badly need more diplomatic energy, and i think most people here -- i discovered to my surprise it is one of those facts that is true, we have more people in military bands than career diplomats, that has been a trend in both republican and democratic administrations for three decades and it is something we have to work to and wind. that said, i think how we behave abroad, what we do, what we attempt to do has everything to do derive from how we think of ourselve

>> why are we in the middle east? what is the national interest to be in the middle east? to spread democracy. this is what we would do. the it energy security has changed rapidly and we have to ask ourselves do we really need the unreleased? what purpose does that serve? now with natural gas and other sources of energy may be the middle east is not that important maybe we can walk away. if we do that then we say what do we have to prepare for? short term or disruptions disruptions, energy supplies , and tell we get fracking ready but prepare for a humanitarian relief. there has already been a lot of bad stuff that has happened. prepare for that and it seems to me would be one of the things we could do from a christian perspective or humanitarian perspective and politically, with allies from the region to stabilize , maybe through turkey fails that them through today. but there is some of the agenda is in the middle east. but you have the gulf states have their own agenda and turkey will demand a huge price and all of these things will change. they could flip over night. >>

it's not because everybody los tyrants in the middle east. not because -- some of the men who have led in the middle east really deep down inside them are good people. if they don't become tyrants, they will be assassinated. it all goes back to the law. and they want to bring law in america. i'm just giving you one law that makes a nation unable to rule itself in peace. i'll give you another law that will never make a nation live in peace. it's the obligation of every muslim to do jihad and this is the definition of jihad. according to their books, by the way, everything i'm saying is from their books. from the books, it's not like from some weird book somewhere. this is main street. here it says every muslim must do jihad. not only every muslim individual, but every muslim head of state must do jihad against neighboring nonmuslim countries. what is the consequence of a law like that. israel cannot live in peace because it's surrounding by nation who is are being ruled by dictators afraid to be assassinated if they don't follow law. and law te

time reagan became president in 1981, robert ames was chief of the whole analytical division for the middle east and south asia. and in that capacity he was a guide to brief the president on anything to do with the middle east. and he would do so often in the oval office or up in camp david. and in the wake of the israeli invasion in 1982, where you recall the israelis under general sharon, ariel sharon, initially walked into southern lebanon and then suddenly pushed all the way to the gates of beirut and deceased the city. -- beseiged the city and attempted come eventually successfully expelled the plo from beirut. in the wake of that invasion, ronald reagan was being briefed by ames. and he took the opportunity to sort of persuade reagan and his 22nd of state, george schultz, to sign on to a peace plan. the first official american initiative to say well, here's our notion of what should happen in a sort of final peace settlement. let's try to settle this. this conflict between israelis and the palestinians and the rest of the arab world. and it was called the reagan peace plan and initiative,

from the point of view of stability in the middle east and we strongly encourage it. of course we knew that was also basically autocratic ruler but think of him as a great man that contributed tremendously to the peace process in the region. i wish we had another set to deal with everything. i was not in office at that time. any particular -- in any one year the american president and security adviser secretary of state, the number of problems it is possible to deal with and stir up the middle east if you don't know what the outcome will be and when the outcome maybe democratic, it happened after tahrir square which we did support, this was a question. it doesn't say every decision was correct but simultaneously say the united states is not being loved everywhere and however they should overthrow the democratic and anti-democratic government. i understand what you would say. i am not saying america has always acted consistently. i laid out what i think the principle should be but i have seen enough of it to know that in the operation about the security of the united st

islam in the middle east, the u.s. and iran, multiplicity of asia and continuing development of u.s. policy. in my business the questions are often more important than the answers and henry kissinger has some brilliant one such as what do we seek to prevent? no matter how it happens and even if we have to do it alone. what do we seek to achieve even if not supported by anyone? what should we not engage in even if urged by a multilateral group, and most importantly, what is the nature of the values we seek to advance. you will be intrigued and challenged by this book. i cannot finish without mentioning one of henry kissinger's least none but as a transplanted native new yorker, he was made the first honorary measure of the harlem globetrotters. henry kissinger will be interviewed this evening by jeff greenfield, an acclaimed television commentator and author in his own right who lectured here last year about his book if kennedy lived. it is an honor and privilege to have both of them here with us and i am only sorry i w

why are we in the middle east? what is the national interest of britain and the united states to be in the middle east? well, initially, it's to spread democracy, right? this is what we were going to do when we invaded iraq. that hasn't worked. now the mantra is that, well, we have to protect its energy security. well, energy security environment has changed radically now, and we have to sort of ask ourselves do we really need the middle east anymore? i mean, what purpose does it serve? now we're fracking, now with natural gas, with all these other sources of energy, maybe the middle east is not that important? maybe we can sort of walk away from it? if we do that, then we have to say, all right, then what do we have to prepare for? one of the things we have to prepare for in the short term are disruptions of energy supplies until we get our fracks or whatever else we -- fracking or whatever else we want to do, prepare for humanitarian relief because there's already been lots of bad stuff that's happened. so, you kn

you know, there is plenty of potential in the middle east. but large companies are not going to walk inside a region where there is lack of security, lack of investment in the future, and i am saying this understanding is possible. i mean it is possible. we just need to eliminate fear. >> let's talk about eastern europe. these tensions between russia and ukraine and eastern europe have exacerbated already slowing economies. some are worried about a recession in western european countries. what are you seeing? >> well, first, i think europe is in a recovery mode. there is no doubt about it. but this recovery mode has been put in doubt by the fact that there is die virgentions inside europe about the policy to be implemented. this divergentions now is taking place inside the european central bank which has many choices and cannot make what seems to me as obvious choices because the different constituents of europe do not agree. at least for the moment. now. >> means we are in the middle of a crisis in europe. this crisis is not due to the fact t

this was a strong theme in egypt and the middle east. it's that that in the last 40 years, as people define themselves by religion, and less by nation, that this has declined. >> as you travelled through the middle east, researching the book, one meeting you describe was in baghdad with a mandian high priest, and you discussed his religion, and he asked you for help gaping asylum to britain. that's something, the lure of the west, tolerance in the west and greater economic opportunity, all that is threatening religions with ex-tippings too. >> -- extinction too. >> it is. when i went back to see the yazidi, a large number, they massed around me. they were excited and saying "we want to go to the west and leave", it's finished here. proceeding the yazidi were the mann dayans. 90% left iraq since 2003. >> a time question - what will the consequences be, as you see it, for the region, if the diversity exists. >> it's a loss for the muslims of the middle east. they are tolerate people, but there's an infection in the middle east of extremist

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air base in the middle east. along with the forward headquarters of the u.s. central command responsible for military operations in afghanistan. at the same time qatar hosts exiled leaders of the afghan taliban. in syria qatar aims to unseat the regime of bashar al-assad. that's a goal that the united states endorses. but qatar's methods have drawn intense global criticism. that's because it's directed at support not just to groups opposed to the political regime, but critics say to arm islamic extremists. >> it is clearly that qatar has supported more of the hard line groups. >> the u.s. treasury has accused qatar had a hosting terrorist financ financiers. two private individuals it accused of funneling money to al-qaeda in syria. while the treasury did not say that the two ever acted on behalf of the qatari government, it criticized qatar's, quote, permissive terrorist financing environment." it does work with other nations includes the united states, britain, germany, and france along with six countries in the region to provide support to syria's armed oppo

i have to go to the middle east in talks to the middle east intact while the surviving delegates over there so that we get their event as well. so we begin by going to planes. for those of you who have never been to the president and mrs. carter's house there, it is very modest. they built it after jimmy retired from the navy and came home to take over the peanut warehouse after his father had died. they were sitting on a blue couch with matching blue change curtains behind them. on the wall behind the couch was a painting that jimmy carter had done of the room we were in. it looks to me like an ostrich and from goodnight to. [laughter] said jerry rasch sharon says mr. president, where he works for "the new yorker." at this time i have to preface this. i'm working on the play, not the book. i'm trying to envision in my mind who was onstage. anybody else? said jerry says mr. president, larry works for "the new yorker" and he recently wrote a piece about scientology. i found that most intriguing. [laughter] worldwide turns around and says since when did you start reading "the new yorker

the middle east is never again going to be the same. again in '41, syria and lebanon are promised their freedom at the end of the war. this has to has been because by then britain and france are defeated as major imperialistic powers. the key here is 1947 after world war ii. this is when the british decide they cannot handle the religious problems in palestine or india, we want to turn it over to the u.s. and we said no. but to make a long story short, as soon as the united nations are claims the birth of israel, there is a war in 1948. there are other wars, '67, '73, this brings in the great powers, because after world war ii, in africa, asia and particularly in the middle east, all the nationalists could get weapons they could not get before. between 67 and 73, the arabs switch to a -- i'll wrap up by saying you have the palestinian liberation organization with arafat and now it's hamas controlling that area, i call it a more dangerous ireland, it's over religion, but this is not going to be settled for a long time. >> you're saying i

. >>> breaking tonight, the president's battle plan in the middle east takes a major hit as former defense secretary leon panetta suggests that mr. obama's own actions are directly to blame for the chaos we are seeing today. welcome to "the kelly file" everyone. i'm megyn kelly. it was just weeks ago that when questioned about the vacuum left in iraq after all u.s. troops left, president obama declared that removing the troops wasn't his decision. >> what i just find interesting is the degree to which this issue keeps oncoming up as if this was my decision. so let's just be clear the reason that we did not have a follow on force in iraq was because the iraqis were -- a majority of iraqis did not want u.s. troops there. and politically they could not pass the kind of laws that would be required to protect our troops in iraq. >> but secretary panetta who served as both secretary of defense and cia director under president obama says the pentagon and the state department both wanted a residual force, but the president did not. he writes in his new book, worthy fights that as he and others wer

day of carter being in office he announced that he intended to forward a comprehensive peace in the middle east. not the easiest task especially for a neophyte president. none of carters advisers encouraged it but he began to interview leaders of the middle east who came to meet the new president and he was singularly unimpressed until one day anwar sadat came and jimmy carter fell in love. he actually said he loved and worse about. it was not the normal language of international diplomacy. i wondered about this relationship. it was quite striking. both of them had a feeling for each other that everybody recognized. what was the? i think in part they shared certain experiences. jimmy grew up plowing the red soil of south georgia barefoot behind a meal and anwr sadat did something similar in the rich nile delta behind a water buffalo. i think it also i'm speculating, but i think there might've been some, something about the fact that sadat was black. so dobbs mother was the daughter friend and -. so there might have done feeling of kinship there. sadat was a man full of contradictions. he seemed

because when assad goes down because that's what we're doing now, we're community organizing the middle east. the next one to fall will be jordan. and it will sweep the middle east. not one more. >> what should we do? if we shouldn't fight them, what should we do? >> educate ourselves first. educate ourselves and be honest with each other. this is actually an original copy from during the jefferson administration of the quran. this is what we printed as a nation because we -- our first foreign war was against the bar bring pirates. the islamic extremists of the day, that's why we have leather necks. it was to stop the beheading of christians and americans. and in this there's actually a warning printed by us here in the united states. a warning that's in every american needs to read this, a note to the reader. you need to read this. you need to see what they actually believe. that's where you need to start. >> but do you believe that of all muslims? i mean, do you accept there are millions of peace loving muslims in the world who don't see the world in anywhere near -- >> i think honestly th

it's not because everybody los tyrants in the middle east. 's not because -- some of the men who have led in the middle east really deep down inside them are good people. if they don't become tyrants, they will be assassinated. it all goes back to the law. and they want to bring law in america. i'm just giving you one law that makes a nation unable to rule itself in peace. i'll give you another law that will never make a nation live in peace. it's the obligation of every muslim to do jihad and this is the definition of jihad. according to their books, by the way, everything i'm saying is from their books. from mainstream books, it's not like from some weird book somewhere. this is mainstream books. here it says every muslim must do jihad. not only every muslim individual, but every muslim head of state must do jihad against neighboring nonmuslim countries. what is the consequence of a law like that. israel cannot live in peace because it's surrounding by nation who is are being ruled by dictators afraid to be assassinated if they don't follow

because when assad goes down because that's what we're doing now, we're community organizing the middle eastxt one to fall will be jordan. and it will sweep the middle east. not one more. >> what should we do? if we shouldn't fight them, what should we do? >> educate ourselves first. educate ourselves and be honest with each other. this is actually an original copy from during the jefferson administration of the quran. this is what we printed as a nation because we -- our first foreign war was against the bar bring pirates. the islamic extremists of the day, that's why we have leather necks. it was to stop the beheading of christians and americans. and in this there's actually a warning printed by us here in the united states. a warning that's in every american needs to read this, a note to the reader. you need to read this. you need to see what they actually believe. that's where you need to start. >> but do you believe that of all muslims? i mean, do you accept there are millions of peace loving muslims in the world who don't see the world in anywhere near -- >> i think honestly there are

>> it helps set into motion some of the events we are seeing in the middle east. it is not solely responsible but partly responsible. and weaken the appeal of the united states and made americans more weary about continuing global leadership. for lots of reason, i think the decision to go into war in 2003 we picked apart. >> everyone knows radical islam and jihadist groups who many say are kidnapping the religion are an agent of change today. what are the eight -- other agents of change? >> it is a destructive agent. you can say there are other militias, pirate organizations, drug cartels -- nonstate actors. you can say it is a larger number of states. corporations, media organizations, large multinational corporations -- the catholic church is an agent of change. the gates foundation. the conversation about health issues. of change and a reflection of change -- the fact that so many more of the world's wealth is concentrated there. so many people are conjugated there -- concentrated there. >> the ministry and made a public declaration of a pivot to asia. is that a

first of all, in the middle east. this is their intentions. so they might fight each other and they might cooperate in certain cases, the ad hoc coalition. but the way is exporting and imposing their way of islam. each of them is right. >> but dow believe there is something in islam that motivates them or simply these are really radical jihadist terrorists who in part are as people like other leaders have said, other muslim leaders have said, they kidnap the religion. there is nothing in islam that argues that they should be this way. >> yes, i agree with that. >> rose: it's not islam, it's these people. >> this is their interpretation of islam. but we can't ignore the fact that first of all, not all muslims are jihadists. >> rose: but the majority are not. >> but all jihadists are muslims. >> rose: so what does that mean? i'm intrigued by that. >> you know, this is the clash between civilization. and actually is ram, in the history has declined. and you can see poverty exploited by their leaders. lack of relevant ideology, like they adopted in

and the role of the other things, ups and downs and the middle east is the middle east and we live in the middle east. personally i don't despair from peace at some point in a more comprehensive way. it is 20 years. the peace with jordan. i didn't mention the nfo. you will talk about it. big nice precedent for nonu.n. thing because of soviets. before i finish, one thing which is nothing to do with it i want to mention jonathan pollard. i think it is time this person should be out from jail. i was in charge of the embassy. i heard about his being sent away from the embassy but i was involved in trying to help him and didn't succeed. i think sam at the end of his life supported that the idea that it is time. many mistakes were made many by israelis and also by americans. enough is enough. it will be 29 years in november. it's time to let this person out. finally, a new year in our calendar and new year in our tradition is also for the whole world. the judgment for the whole world. i would like to wish all of us for the new year that the so vital american-israeli relationship which sam w

involvements in the middle east. do you agree with president obama's military policy regarding isis in the middle east and should he seek congressional consent prior to additional action? we begin this round of questions with mr. holloway. >> let me start out by saying probably the most crucial vote i ever made was to go to kuwait. i was on a plane from memphis to washington when i heard that our planes had gone in. you worry about how many people are going to be killed. so it's probably the most crucial, but yes can, i think you should go to congress and get permission to go to war. i believe that isis -- we should kill them all. there's no doubt in my mind what we do, we just cannot allow things -- you can't draw a line in the sand and when they cross the line, well, they crossed the line. you have to stand up, you have to have a set of you know what's, and our president does not have one. so do i agree with what's going on? i think we have to see that we get other people on the ground. >> mayor mayo, your thoughts

let's turn our attention to the middle east. ropertyhed crashed during the global financial crisis, with house prices plunging more than 60%. construction has returned and the dubai financial market is up more than 35% year to date. is dubai back? what opportunities are there for making money? joining us now is a partner who billionmore than $7.5 in assets. great to have you with us this morning. some people will be watching this program and asking the same question, do we face another property bubble in this region? what are you seeing? answer that to question, you have to look at the fundamentals. has served asbai a hub for a much broader region. there are some booms and busts that happened. there is a reality that long-term, dubai is providing an access point to a broader region. historically, the gulf, the middle east, but increasingly, south asia. lately, a lot of people are looking at it as a platform to africa. if you look at the dynamics, there is fundamental reasons for the long-term growth of dubai and it is increasingl

coons, isis, do you think isis and other terror groups that exist in the middle east suppose pose a specific threat to americans here in this country and would you support sending u.s. troops on the ground in a combat role to fight isis. >> well, matt, one of the obligations of service in the senate that i take seriously is supporting our fighting men and women. over the last four years i've had the chance to be with our national guard and their families as they employed to afghanistan. and dover air force base as a family welcomed home the remains of their son or daughter or husband or father or loved one. i am tired of war and delawareans are wary of war. after our long conflicts in iraq or afghanistan. the idea of sending troops back into harm's way i welcome or embrace. isis has made clear that they are determined not just to harm or massacre civilians in syria and iraq, but to behead innocent american journalist but to stop them. the president owes congress and the american people a strategy that deals with the complexity of the region can engage syria and iraq with allied forces on the

the he's almostic state of iraq and the levant, isil, has disrupted the long-settled map of the middle east. the guerrilla force trying to establish what it callings the islamic state is fighting the government of syria, the u.n. air force and kurdish in syria, and now a new alliance in middle east forces in iraq. with all that firepower aimed at them, isil is still on the verge of taking a major town on the border between syria and turkey. how it's happening, why it's happening is all part of the tangled story of friends and enemies in one of the world's most complicated neighborhoods. islamic state in iraq and the levant or isil, have bee sieged the syrian town of kobane for weeks. the reports from the kurdish fighters defending it say that 9,000 have pushed the defense. so close that the turkish troops have been wearily watching but have not yet engaged in the fight. >> you see what we go through. they behead our children and set our houses ablaze. they play dirty games on kurds. >> ten people i knew were killed right in front of my eyes. they hang the bodies on poles and don't remove th

i think -- also in the middle east and in syria that large groups of recently will allocated -- regionally -- reasonably well-educated and middle income is part of it. >> a late philosopher once wrote an essay about the social democratic prospect in which he said we put freedom first, but if you have levels of inequality that are so great, it will undermine the kind of political freedoms we cherish. very fundamental problem that has to be addressed. a free and open society with a rule of law will do better in terms of managing these issues of inequality. you can say yes, china has grown butevelop the middle class that is only a political transition. if they want to continue along this road you would need the rule of law to continue. in democracy, people can organize if they have the rights to organize and defend their interest. that also can lead to greater protection for them and greater respect for the economic rights. >> last comment? >> i think we are about running out of time. i want to get nicolas back into the conversation. i do want to kind of get his take as we have talked about b

and where do you see the worst of it in the middle east? >> certainly, i think looking at where the ongoing conflict is currently centered, so looking at syria and iraq and other countries as well. that's where we see a large amount and where we have raised the alarm when it comes to religious freedom. when you look at the persecution of religious communities, we're seeing grave abuses in crises that what they have faced not only for hundreds of years, but even longer. we're looking at communities that have peacefully coexisted in relative harmony for centuries, and now all of a sudden, with the onslaught with conflict. and of new violence and chaos and so forth, we're seeing them displaced and removed from their homes into the communities, and into unknown and dangerous situations. >> we're seeing these horrifying images coming out of iraq with the jihaddists killing christians, and never gone after muslim in their shrines. and what's being done? >> there are two ways that we have tried to help the issue. on the one point, we're providing f