likely to find people from black and ethnic minority backgrounds in the lock down the latest data shows you get the reaction of the from the national black policing association. french president emanuel mccloy's meeting prime minister boris johnson in london where they are set to discuss the idea of any bridges between the 2 nations these would allow quarantine free travel to help revive the u. case tourism industry for more on this r t u k cæsar ali joins me now with the latest so then. is now in downing street isn't he meeting boris johnson with some social distancing of course yeah absolutely mr mark is in london for the 80th anniversary of the speech delivered by former wartime french president charles de gaulle the proud the appeal to french fire. to resist the nazi occupation and on the agenda in these talks between mr mock ron johnson could be of course a little bit of bragg's it that never goes away but also the question of averages now united kingdom have implemented quarantine rules so any one of arriving on these shores has to self isolate for 2 weeks but these averages are bilateral agreements between countries to ensure that the citizens of thos

director of the black law enforcement alliance and captain sonia pruitt of the montgomery county police department in laurel, maryland. she's the chairperson for the national black police associationboth of you have worked as police, do work as police and work with police. one of the things that we've discussed, captain pruitt, is the degree to which there are good police out there. i'm going to get some angry tweets for saying it but there are. we know there are, you know there are. it is hard for them to come forward in the face of some unions in some cases in the face of that blue line. what do we need from them and how can we help them come forward and say policing is not what everybody thinks it is. >> right. so ethical policing requires some courage. it requires courage from the officers who are serving and it particularly requires courage from our leadership, our police chiefs, our commissioners, so officers can feel empowered to be those good officers that we talk about. we have a case in buffalo, new york, in 2008 she was fired from stopping her partner from choking and handcuffing a black suspect. those are things we need to be rewarding people for, not punishing them fo

joining me now, captain sonya pruitt, the captain of the montgomery county police department and chair of the national black police association, as well jelani cobb, a staff writer at the new yorker, an msnbc political analyst who has done a lot of work, particularly on policing. thanks to both of you for being here. captain pruitt, you and i were just talking earlier today when this had not fully come out in terms of what the story is. there are a few things at play here. there is imagery of a man who has got the taser from police and may be turning to use it on the police, but at the same time, this is a man upon whom police were called because he was asleep, which is what a lot of people are wondering about. how does something like that end the way this one did? >> yeah. this is so tragic. i'm so sorry to hear about this and to see this. here's what i will say. it's so many things -- this is like a perfect storm. we've been dealing with the death of mr. george floyd and now we have another death at the hands of the police. in addition, we had an incident where some atlanta police officers were fired and all of them were ch

the police union. let me let me explain something to you. here in the united states we have many employer groups of color we have the national black police association which came about in the 1970 s. we have been national organization of black law enforcement executives the national lead pino offices association hispanic officers association asian peace officers association even associations for women in policing and the reason for that is the old guard which is the fraternal order of police. is what i consider the reservoir for racism within policing today. fraternal order police have been around for a long time in these organizations that i mention the one of the ones of color came about because. people police officers of color and women could not get proper representation from the established for turn order of police the major police union here in the united states and it is that union that holds all into. not going to publicize it but they hold on to the racism that we currently see within american policing today. until we do something about the unions until we do something about the political power and control that they have over our elected of

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the police officers themselves would bond together in order to keep that from happening? >> guest: they may or may not. i used a volunteer with the national black police association in the 70s and 80s. and even when there were fewer black officers. many of them would not respond in civilian clothes to a crime inog progress because they did not want to showw up with a gun and have white police come and shoot them thinking they were the perpetrator. but they used to do is call y 911. what they came up with though was all police officers if they witness a police officer committing elite illegal act they pledge to arrest that officer. so the black police association in the 1970s and 19 '80s pass that resolution among themselves that they would do that whether or not it was sanctioned by the department are not. i think that something that ought to be discussed is one of the remedies of others. >> guest: robert woodson of theer woodson center joining us for this conversation. check out the organization. we are going to georgia go ahead. >> caller: hello i would just like to say i appreciate mr. robert wood, he said one word that really caught my attention and that was

police trace or not an n.h.s. one but the government has rejected this but to discuss the implications i was joined by former metropolitan police superintendent and the chair of the national black police association the royal logan he told me that one sick officer could lead to a massive shortage in any police department. 1st resort roshan's like terrorism or organized crime or there are you know high profile cases that you cannot compromise information by giving it to an independent trip tracking trace person so i think there needs to be some sort of compromise and getting certain specialized tracking trace officers. are independent of the met but it's not easily compromised and making sure that you know it's for a purpose cidade also looking at the ramifications the police can shut down due to an outbreak can they that mean they're already short staffed as it is. absolutely and so far the numbers that are kept up quite stable of them thought it would have been a lot more sickness but fortunately it's kept quite stable but yeah going by that track and trace system if someone you know units who are even a police station and you know that person been in touch with say half of their response team y

successful if trust is already low with certain communities where the vice president of the national black police association and george told me that police forces need to build trust and confidence among certain communities and i think they're just fartman but they've been also commas no surprise black asian minority ethnic communities are disproportionately dealt with or are slim probably in a number of areas or around. a dance in custody they're twice as likely to die immediately your interactions worse place their own stop and searches well they're more likely to be stopped and searched if you're black and particular parts of the a change across their many of the wheels so for me it's disheartening but not so great and unfortunately this is something that changed easily. i think it's like anything and what the 1st thing we have to do is accept that there's a problem there what we often do in policing is defend our position i think we have to listen to their communities look at the dollar overweight and discover way these communities are getting and i would agree around the fact that the trust and confide

last night you interviewed the chair of the national black police association. about when you call the police for mental health issues, domestic violence, somebody sleeping in their car, it doesn't have to be armed men showing up. you could take away vast chunks of what the police do. 90% of the beat cop's day doesn't involve violence. i mentioned traffic stops. there's no reason tens of thousands of people need to be ha handled by arm men. by the way, we need to throw gun control into the conversation. there's a reason why british police officers are unarmed, it's because most of the criminals are unarmed. there's far too many weapons in this country. >> manny, good to see you. thank you for joining me. >>> this friday's juneteenth holiday will be as poignant as ever. why this event has a new found significance. you're watching "velshi" on msnbc. msnbc. ♪we're taking everything we wanted♪ ♪we can do it ♪all strength, no sweat and people you can rely on. i'm a dell technologies advisor. me too. me too. me too. and if you're a small business, we're with you. we a

several factions of policing, several policing organizations stood against him while the national black police association stood for him because we understood the struggle. so while police officers are kneeling, i want them to say we will no longer stand for anyone, particularly black people, to be marginalized and abused by the police structure in this country. that's what i want to hear verbalized. >> and i want to ask you what you think when you hear things like this from the president of the united states. let's listen. >> i am your president of law and order and an ally of all peaceful protestors. we are ending the riots and lawlessness that has spread throughout our country. we will end it now. america is founded upon the rule of law. >> from a police officer perspective, does that help? >> from a black police officer's perspective, no, it does not help. listen, it's egregious to people to loot and destroy property, but people have a first amendment right to peacefully protest. we watched a crowd of people standing in front of the white house yesterday and be pelted with rubber bullets -- i'm sorry,

or to discuss this issue in the next hour i'll be joined by the vice president of the national black police association and i'll be back with more news of the top of the art scene again. ah no team no crowd. no shots no. actual news accounts. going to drive no place to. quench your thirst for action. plus say. the guy down the block for more you. is counterfeiting mining and he's by and stuffy he he created an extension on his house he caught a new boat he got a new car plus 5 new cars he bought another new he brought a lot of jewelry he's living large would you say that the wealth on that street is this forced minutely heading into that guy's house because he's able to counterfeit money and spend that money would you say that i mean that's not hard to comprehend right. in the troubled 19 seventies a group of killers rampage through parts of northern ireland that was coordinated loyalist attacks particularly catholic population in belfast tens of thousands of forced to flee their homes and what was striking to put these attacks was that the are you see the police actually took part in the attacks so in

successful if trust is already low with certain communities but the vice president of the national black police association andy george told me that police forces need to build trust and confidence among certain communities. and i think they're just heartened but they've been also commas no surprise there black asian minority ethnic communities are disproportionately dealt with more harshly probably in a number of areas around alright dance in custody they're twice as likely to day immediately sure archer and interactions with place are in stop and search as well or more likely to be stopped and searched if you're an black and particular parts of the a tank to cross examining the wheels so for me it's disheartening but not so great and unfortunately it's not something that changed easily i think it's like anything and you know what the 1st thing we have to do is accept that there's a problem with what we often do in place and it is defend our position i think we have to listen to the communities look at the data around way and i'll discover why these communities are getting and i would agree around the fac

that the might think police officers themselves would bond together in order to keep that from happening? guest: they may or may not. with the volunteer national black police association in the 1970's and 80's. when there were fewer black officers and many of them would not respond to a crime in progress in civilian clothes because you would have a police shoot them thinking they were a perpetrator. what they used to do is call 911. what they came up with, though, is that if all police officers witness of police officer committing an illegal act, they pledge to arrest that officer. in black police association the 70's and 80's past that resolution among themselves that they would do that whether or not it was sanctioned by the department or the union. that is something that ought to be discussed as one of the remedies among others. host: robert woodson of the woodson center joining us for this conversation. woodsoncenter.org. we will go to georgia. go ahead. caller: i would just like to say woodsoniate mr. robert because he said one word that caught my attention and that was "solutions." police wereounger, not like they are today. it is almost like police are policing

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the united states and beyond. well one of poland tonight's retired police lieutenant charles p. wilson he is chairman of the national association of black law enforcement officers he spent 45 years in law enforcement he joins me tonight from providence rhode island incident wilson it's good to have you on to the day you know we're learning tonight just like i'm sure you are that all 4 of these officers involved in the death of george floyd they have now been charged derek. and who need the neck of george for he's now been charged with 2nd degree murder now all of this coming knowing days after the event that has rocked the us what's your reaction to nothing but i want to say thank you for inviting me you on your. detractors were due. and upgrade that i'm. most likely appropriate. and how much of an impact that's going to have on what has been taken place nobody's for sure yet. i end it people need to recognize that they hold is that having upgraded their charges and charging the other 3 officers will help to curtail some of the more violent parts of the protest it had been going on. that you said the upgrade from the from 3rd degree mur

the police officers themselves would bond together in order to keep that from happening? >> guest: they may or may not. i used a volunteer with the national black police association in the 70s and 80s. and even when there were fewer black officers. many of them would not respond in civilian clothes to a crime inog progress because they did not want to showw up with a gun and have white police come and shoot them thinking they were the perpetrator. but they used to do is

all right we're going to have the reparative there were run out of time retired police lieutenant charles wilson chairman of the national association of black law enforcement officers who say that it was good talking with you we appreciate your time tonight and we appreciate your wealth of insight and experience thank you thank you for being inviting me. these simmering anger and frustration over police brutality and raises them it's not an american invention the protests in the u.s. have triggered protests and solidarity across the globe in london thousands of protesters gathered today to honor the life of george floyd. matter organize the rally to draw attention to what they say is this is discrimination which harms people of color in the u k. speaker's corner in london's hyde park a meeting point for demonstrates has over the years. i thought that this time they gathered to draw attention to injustices against black people sparked by the death of george floyd in the us. among the protesters star was actor john boy into a prominent voice against racism. who those present were also eager to stress that these problems were not limited to am

the dismantling of the police there, let us get a sense of what that means. charles wilson is a retired police officer and chairman of the national association of black enforcementers. thank you forjoining us. i wa nt to thank you forjoining us. i want to get an idea of what it means for a police force to be dismantled. i couldn't tell you, for sure. what it sounds like they are doing is disbanding the police department to now put something else in its place. my understanding is that they have not presented any clear—cut concepts not presented any clear—cut co nce pts of not presented any clear—cut concepts of what it is they are going to put in its place yet. only that they are looking to," dismantle what's there". that is likely to be a long and collocated process that could ta ke collocated process that could take some time. i want to talk bit about your experience will stop you where the first black police chief in the suburb of clevela nd, police chief in the suburb of cleveland, ohio, in the mid— 19805 cleveland, ohio, in the mid— 1980s and mid—i9 90s. what do you think it is like now for black police officers to be out on the streets dealing with protests

let's speak to leroy logan, a former met police officer and the founder of the national black police associationions that caused me to go to the march on wednesday. in that circumstance, neither the government nor the commissioner said it was an unlawful gathering and i founded a positive, very well—meaning event. but there was a lack of police presence stop in fact, they were very passive, laid—back and where we marched from hyde park down into the square, there was no real proper type of junctions and square, there was no real proper type ofjunctions and all these things. please in westminster over the years, i was there, so i know how it is done. i think it was too laid—back for my liking. where as yesterday, all leading up to yesterday, all leading up to yesterday, there was his whole narrative about is it unlawful and i think ina narrative about is it unlawful and i think in a lot of ways the government and the commissioner set themselves up by saying that it is unlawful and now they have come in ha rd unlawful and now they have come in hard and strong and it was bound to happen there would

the inside going everything is fine here. a massive amount of people don't feel like everything is okay. >> the national association of black police unions have been act andive and said a lot of things. the current police chief of minneapolis sued his own department for racism. that's a big problem. . >> melissa: yes, i can feel harris's next town hall coming on. democrats rolling out new police reform legislation today. will it be enough to satisfy the protestors? calling for justice after the death of george floyd. >> americans who took to the streets this week demanded change. with this legislation, democrats are heeding their calls. here's record-breaking news for veterans. va mortgage rates have dropped to near 50-year lows. newday usa can help you refinance your mortgage and save thousands a year. newday's va streamline refi makes it fast and easy because there's no income verification, no appraisal, and no out of pocket costs. i urge you to call newday usa now. >> ♪ >> melissa: congressional democrats unveiling a sweeping police reform package after two weeks of protests over the death of george floyd. the justice and polic

that the might think police officers themselves would bond together in order to keep that from happening? guest: they may or may not. with the volunteer national black police associationthe 1970's and 80's. when there were fewer black officers and many of them would not respond to a crime in progress in civilian clothes because you would have a police shoot them thinking they were a perpetrator. what they used to do is call 911. what they came up with, though, is that if all police officers witness of police officer committing an illegal act, they pledge to arrest that officer. in black police association the 70's and 80's past that resolution among themselves that they would do that whether or not it was sanctioned by the department or the union. that is something that ought to be discussed as one of the remedies among others. host: robert woodson of the woodson center joining us for this conversation. woodsoncenter.org. we will go to georgia. go ahead. caller: i would just like to say woodsoniate mr. robert because he said one word that caught my attention and that was "solutions." police wereounger, not like they are today. it is almost like police are policing for

the case continue. thanks very much for your time, thank you for sharing your experience with us. charles wilson is a retired police officer and chairman of the national association of black officers. a little earlier i asked him what he thought of the move by minneapolis city council to dismantle its police force. my understanding is that they have not presented any clear—cut concepts of what it is they're going to put in its place yet. only that they are looking to, quote unquote, dismantle what's there. that's likely to be a long and complicated process that could take some time. i want to talk bit about your experience. you were the first black police chief in a suburb of cleveland, ohio, in the late—80s and mid—1990s. what do you think it's like now for black police officers to be out on the streets dealing with protests, where, in many cases, the police are the target of those protests? it's hard. as black officers, we have to tread a very thin line. we know that we represent the, quote unquote, police establishment, by virtue of the job that we do. but we also have both a self recognition and community recognition as being members of that black community. of the 90

. >> the president's national security adviser there and join me, sergeant paul kelly with the san jose police department and the police officer's association and mark of the blackcement alliance and retired nypd detective. i'd like to get both of your responses to what the president's national security adviser robert o'brien said there. do you agree with his remarks that there's no systemic racism in the nation's police force and there's just some bad apples? >> i think that there's no doubt that we must do a better job with our communities of color. it takes trust, and you can't have that trust without good cops calling out bad cops, and that's what's happened because we came out and other association leaders across the nation. very quickly condemning the actions of these officers. >> mark? >> i think it's quite clear that the national security adviser is in a large state of denial. he is ignorant of history, he is unaware of the current condition that black and brown communities find themselves in as it relates to law enforcement within their communities. he is in denial about the existence of the institutional racism and the threat that it is, that it repres

the state of washington. thank you, sir. former executive director of national black police association, how are you, good day to you, what do you think about that call there? he is saying that the public decide. with that work? >> i think we have to really answer the question of the public by the police and the police are the public and policed by the people. now do we think it will work if we talk about the funding? i have to ask what are you talking about, are you talking about abolishment, talking about total disaster of police, and some of the model, and i think you were asking for some dire consequences that you can see definitely life will imitate art from movies like the purge. i think government leaders would have to understand if you go down that road, there will certainly be consequences, ramifications, repercussions when you try to do those things, so i have to ask, i have heard different things in different places about what defunding means, and everyone seems to have a different idea of taking money away if defunding is taking money away, you don't have to defund the police department to do that. you just have

president of the than thea chapter of the naacp and former police lieutenant charles wilson who serves as the national chairman of the national association of blackw enforcement officers. thank you both for being here. it's a really important day and so many developments. if i could begin with you, lieutenant. your reaction to what we just heard in terms of what is included in the president's executive order on policing coming, and what's not, for example, there's not a federal ban included on chokeholds. does it go far enough? >> it doesn't sound as if it will. it needs to put a specific limitation on the use of both chokeholds. we know that it needs to address no-knock warrants. it as well needs to address the overall systemic issues with law enforcement. now what the president and his supporters apparently do not wish for anybody to talk about is the actual foundational issues of law enforcement. the institution of policing is inherently biased against people of color and low income, and it was designed to be that way, so we have to accept that as the overall founding of american law enforcement. now having said that, what needs to transpire i

the atlanta branch of the national association for the advancement of colored people, how he interprets that statement. well, clearly there's a history of white men in america, whether police or not, being instantly outraged if a black they expect subservience and, you know, it leads to these kind of horrendous conclusions. how do you evaluate the response to what has happened, and what really keeps happening, from the president, but also from the mayor of atlanta ? well, the president — of course, that's another issue — is always on the wrong side of humanity. but the mayor of atlanta, i think, has acted appropriately. i mean, i think she understands how deep the culture of police brutality is, and that it must be restructured entirely. policing in america should be focused on public safety, and not necessarily on law enforcement. there's a need for law enforcement, but there are other times when other kinds of skills could come into play. in this particular instance, even if mr brooks had been arrested, the charge wouldn't have been prosecuted, because he was not on the roadway. he was on private property in the car, so it was not a police issue in the first place. they would have had to observe him driving on the

the police union. that's why i propose all black people come together and we form a black people's union, called the national black associationvor: wait, hold on. the n.b.a.? >> shit, man, i'll think of another name. look, the point is, once this union is together, it brings together every black person in the country and, if you're black, you're automatically approved. it's the opposite of a home loan >> trevor: okay, fine. and then what happens once you have the black union? how does that help is this >> once we're organized, every year, we'll make america negotiate a new deal with us and, with our strength in numbers, we can finally get our demands met, hold cops accountable for misconduct, dimilitaryize police, shift funding away from cops and towards schools and education and rescue kanye west from the sucking place. we need him back, man >> trevor: okay, roy, that sounds like fair demands, but what if america and the black union can't agree on a deal? what happens then? >> well, then black people will just have to take our talents elsewhere, like when lebron left cleveland, only now it's black people leaving all of ameri