the national small business association came out with an analysis of its own said that more than a third of small businesses are putting off hiring because of obamacare. 91% say costs have gone up. they've gone up sizably from $600 per worker to $1100 per worker. >> rick, the president said it's going to help grow the economy. in fact, it's helping to slow the economy. >> yeah, i have to say, it won't surprise you, i didn't have quite the interpretation of the same report you might have. i was surprised at the huge numbers at no impasse, 85 to 70%. it's odds with improvement over the last quarter when they did the same kind of a survey, finally -- >> hold on. let me just jump in there. it was a net loss of jobs, 18% of those surveyed said they were hiring fewer workers. that's a net loss of jobs. >> so what, a slower economy? >> it's still a net loss of jobs. fewer jobs. >> it means 18% said they hired fewer. how do you know that the other 80% didn't hire more. >> because they said they didn't. no, no, rich, the point is, this is to rich karlgaard. only 3% said they're hiring more than.

he was a general counsel for the national small business association for two years prior to joining heritage. he was previously chief financial officer and financial counsel of a conservative alternative to the aarp. ike brannon is a fellow at the george w. bush institute. he is president of the consulting firm capital policy and analytics and former director of economic policy and economic relations for the american action forum. he served as an economist for the john mccain campaign in 2008 and he has a phd in economics from indiana university. i will turn it over to the policy guys. >> hello. remarks is going isbe explained to you -- it going to his bike to you how the international tax system works and dan and i will tell you -- you how to fix it. -- in states is the only the united states. there are a few smaller countries that do so. chile, israel, and south korea are the three in the oecd. among major industrialized anytries and virtually european country, the canadians, australians, they all have some form of a territorial system where they tax the income of their businesses are and

the mainstream, but now the small group of folks are opposing this institution. the national association of manufacturers, the u.s. chamber of commerce, every business group in america says this is what we are to keep the toolkit. there may be some ideological argument that says we shouldn't support exports, and i'm not going to unilaterally disarm the american businesses when canada and brazil, country smaller than ours, have a greater percent of export support. this again is a litany of where we go from export/import bank to questions about how we do real meaningful tax reform. the approach of someone on the far right is way out of the mainstream. unfortunately, that is where my opponent is landing. >> judy, i don't recall seeing crony capitalism in my remarks about the bank, but i do believe that we have to evaluate every program. we are at a point where it is going to equal over the next few decades our entire gdp. i believe every program needs to be subject to scrutiny. i agree we need to open new markets exports for our american goods abroad, in particular are agricultural goods here in virginia. we haven't had a new trade agreement since his

the mainstream that arethe small group of folks opposing this institution. the national association of manufacturers, u.s. chamber of commerce them every business isup in america says, this the tool you ought to keep in the toolkit. there may be some ideological argument that says in a perfect world we should not support exports, but i'm not going to unilaterally disarm american businesses when canada and smaller thanries ours, have much greater percent of export support. lord knows when he goat is the chinese, it is not a level playing field. knows when you go against the chinese, it is not a level playing field. questions about how we do real meaningful tax reform and entitlement form. the approach, particularly of someone on the far right is where the reach. unfortunately, that seems to be where my opponent has landed. >> i do recall saying crony capitalism and my remarks, but i do believe we have to evaluate every program. where our debtnt is going to equal in the next few decades our entire gdp. i believe every program needs to be subject to scrutiny. i also agree we need to open new markets, exports for our american goods abroad, in parti

the mainstream, but now the small group of folks are opposing this institution. the national association of manufacturers, the u.s. chamber of commerce, every business group in america says this is what we are to keep the toolkit. there may be some ideological argument that says we shouldn't support exports, and i'm not going to unilaterally disarm the american businesses when canada and brazil, country smaller than ours, have a greater percent of export support. this again is a litany of where we go from export/import bank to questions about how we do real ful tax reform. the approach of someone on the far right is way out of the mainstream. unfortunately, that is where my opponent is landing. >> judy, i don't recall seeing crony capitalism in my remarks about the bank, but i do believe that we have to evaluate every program. it is at a point where going to equal over the next few decades our entire gdp. needs to every program be subject to scrutiny. i agree we need to open new markets exports for our american goods abroad, in particular are agricultural goods here in virginia. we haven't had a new trade agreement since his administration took offi