story and the decisions it had to make at the time when nixon tried to stop the new york times from lishing? >> how did they come into it? well, because he brought the new york times into it. what the pentagon case is about is censorship. lawyers call it prior restraint. after publishing for three days, all of this sudden, we were in court. several days later, really, we were in the supreme court. so the times came into it because, i believe and those at the time is believed, this was an outrage. and the first amendment protected us and that the government had no ability to come in and tell us what we should not print or what we should print. we put our troops together and beat him. >> in your book, it is a gripping account of the inside story of what happened, but you actually start with what happened a year earlier with earl caldwell in the nixon administration after that. >> i am so glad you asked me that because the subtitle of the book is "other bottles." the other battles are always called reporters privileged battles, the ability of the sources fromeep being disclosed. and tod

wiped out the lights and you asked why did the new york times bury the lead because if you read the new york times style guide they are supposed to bury the lead many are not many article i've ever read the new york times you have to dig like six or seven graphs deep before you figure out what the point is to go with that ok ron wyden and lisa murkowski of introduced a bill to require super pacs to reveal their funding. this was in bush v gore in me and citizens united i think the eight to one part of the ruling was we think this will work if all the organizations are transparent what's wrong with transparency now there's nothing wrong with transparency i think but part one of the problems with you know short sighted political. gamesmanship as far as you know we want to know who your donors are you know revealing to us i'm sure no but you know it would be with his that i could you know in massachusetts a few years ago they they wanted to get mitt romney's arms so they pass some legislation remember what it was actually what it was and then as soon as deval patrick came in office they ha

in a songe as the publisher similar to the new york times similar to the guardian and all the other news outlets that then published what julian a songe disclosed through wiki leaks right there saying that it's the same thing if everyone's on the same point it's like if you have a website yourself and you publish this interview you're a publisher u.s. officials maintain that joining us on church compromised national security by publishing classified documents now as you know in america you know sometimes first amendment is trumped by national security issues when information is disclosed that could threaten the lives of soldiers on the battlefield or threaten the lives of americans here at home do you believe honestly that killing or saw a sign should face no consequences whatsoever yes that's right and so why you know the same claims were made about the new york times when the pubs print the papers it was this throwing national security it was drawing so forth and so on the first amendment in that case trumped. the claim of the nixon administration now here you've got to ask yourself we

the "new york times" looks at it and does its own version. the truth comes out. s a good news story. >> i think that's absolutely true. to know what's news you have got to read the write and the right and of the left. i have to give kudos to the national review because they do quote kevin drum from mother jones in your article. >> fair minded people. >> breitbart, too high or too low. i thought that was very very helpful. >> jon: the "new york times" usually leads the liberal media. >> rich's point is extremely right. after years of saying breitbart was crazy, he was wrong, he is wicked and so on, that even gawker admits that he was right. once the "new york times" declares it the media just shifts. they take their cue from them even now in this age of fragmented media. >> jon: we're talking about billions of dollars of our money, tax money, that's being paid to people apparently unnecessarily. >> about $4.5 billion. and the sad thing about it is thomas burrell is not that far from the truth. basically. more or less show up with any past claim and get $50,000. a l

saying i mean obama is saying i want to get his son but isn't this just like the new yorker the wall street journal the new york times you might as well go and get the new york times through and that's what i'm here to say i'm scared about during his national speech on thursday president obama actually did say that it's troubled by the possibility that the department of justice investigations into leaks made chill the type of journalism that holds government accountable as a result he announced that he's calling on congress to pass a media shield law to guard against government overreach do you think that will help do you think that will do anything or do you think that's just rhetoric that will resonate using. i think probably both what he said was i want chuck schumer who is our senator from new york to put the bill in so show me gets up and says look i'm going to put it but first of all we're going to have an exception for wiki leaks is not going to cover wiki leaks ok and then the second thing he says is not going to cover national security. we'll have a national security exception well i will say in defense of s

pentagon papers, there had been an angry, threatening telegram written by the attorney general to the "new york times" demanding that they cease publication of these documents but the fbi accidentally sent the telegram to a fish company in brooklyn instead of to the "new york times," and so what the "new york times" heard the day they published the pentagon papers and the day after was nothing, and this fish company in brooklyn must have been very, very confused by the angry telegram they got from the attorney general. eventually the attorney general's office and the fbi got it together and they sent the telegram on to the actual "new york times" demanding the return of the pentagon papers and demanding no further publication. "the times" said no. "the times" kept on publishing. they published on the 13th, and they published on the 14th and they published on the 15th and then the government finally got a temporary restraining order blocking them from publishing anything further. pentagon papers was the first time that the government had ever used the courts to block the press from publishing somethin

new york port ny r.t. later this hour we talked extensively about press freedom in the u.s. with vice chairman of the new york times' james good though mr interview that's coming up shortly here on o.t. . a clear image of iraq after invasion. twenty day taxi trip through the country. the roads full of danger. clear evidence from north to south. the rooftop of iraqi tragedy. after the war waiting for peace. taxi on r.t.e. . wealthy british style. is not on. the. market why not. find out what's really happening to the global economy because the reports on our. news continues here in r.t. anger a global food giant swept across six continents on saturday as two million people marched in protest at the corporations practices demonstrations took place in dozens of countries with activists accusing the bartek title of aggressively putting small farmers out of business and planting hazardous genetically modified crops many are angry at the legal protection the firm receives a number of nations where it can sometimes make up nearly one hundred percent of the food market in santa itself maintains its products improve agricul

saying i mean obama saying i want to get a son but isn't this just like the new yorker the wall street journal the new york times you might as well go and get the new york times too and that's what i'm here of to say i'm scared about during his national speech on thursday president obama actually did say that it's troubled by the possibility that the department of justice investigations into leaks make chill the type of journalism that holds government accountable as a result he announced that he's calling on congress to. a media shield law to guard against government overreach do you think that will help do you think that will do anything or do you think that's just rhetoric well president is using. i think probably both what he said was i want chuck schumer who was our senator from new york to put the bill in so show me gets up and says look i'm going to put it in but first of all we're going to have an exception for wiki leaks is not going to cover wiki leaks ok and then the second thing he says is not going to cover national security. we'll have a national security exception well i will say in defense of sch

also taking a pass on any off the record opportunities, nbc, cnn, "the new york times," the associated press, and the huffington post. but there have been some takers. quote, abc news will attend the meeting and press for that conversation to be put on the record. politico editor-in-chief johnç harris says i feel anyone, whether an official or ordinary reader, should be able toç have an unguarded conversation in a position of accountability with a news organization when there's good reason." brad wood-house said, kind of forfeits your right to gripe. >> when you've lost the press, especially a press that's been so supine, and so supportive of this administration, bent over backwards to give them every break, then you're really, r ty we're having this extraordinary attempt to kind of set the record straight on an off the record basis. >> meanwhile the clock is ticking toward the wednesday deadline for holder to reply from a set of questions from republicans on the house judiciary committee, who believe he may have misled them on during his testimony on may 15th. regardless or how he a

so, it's not "the new york times" that is going to be chilled and "the new york times" says it's not chilled, but as the times says here, but they could reveal sources on other stories and frighten confidential contacts as one person after another in the press have said since this story broke, the idea is not to intimidate "the new york times," the idea is to intimidate sources and scare off whistleblowers. >> joe, last summer, i appeared with you and you challenged me with the same tone, actually, on these leaks and said, when is the president going to send a strong signal to people that leaking classified information won't be tolerated. when is is he going to make people accountable for these leaks. that's what senator mccain and others said. the attorney general impanelled these two u.s. attorneys. they've apparently interviewed 550 people and went to court and got a subpoena to do what they did. in order to do what you and others said should be done. do i agree with that? >> i've heard the president's defenders try to say this and i congratulate you guys for going into a room and

new york marina portnoy r.t. well later this hour we talk extensively about press freedom in the u.s. with vice chairman of the new york times james good though in this our interview that's coming up shortly. first fears of the syrian conflict spilling over borders have been ignited by an attack on the capital of neighboring lebanon several people were injured when two rockets landed in a hezbollah control district to beirut a lebanese militant groups being strongly supporting the embattled syrian government but the rebel syrian army has denied involvement and middle east affairs expert told me earlier that he believes a splinter group could be to blame some members of the free syrian army deny that however there was one official who said that hezbollah are you know its activity will lead to repercussions that would target by the northern city of tripoli and beirut's international airport and that perhaps as an indicator of that some of these armed opposition groups some of these syrian armed opposition groups are indeed involved in what happened today you have to remember that the free syrian army years and to the one block

new york. r.t. later this hour we speak extensively about press freedom in the u.s. with the vice chairman of the new york times james gudiya james goodale don't miss the interview coming up shortly. fears the conflict in syria could be spilling over the border once again been stoked as reports of a merger of another cross border incident and the latest exchange a rocket has apparently been fired from lebanon toward israel just hours after two shells landed in a hezbollah controlled area of beirut that attack wounded at least five people in the lebanese capital and comes just a day after the militant group reiterated its support for the assad regime despite the free syrian army denying involvement middle east expert alley risk thinks the rebels public statements can't be trusted because they are too divided some members of the free syrian army have denied however there was one official who said that it has been a lot you know its activity will lead to repercussions that would target but you would the northern city of tripoli and beirut's international airport and that perhaps is it in the case of that some of t

be worse than nixon so in this context you if you julian a songe as the publisher similar to the new york times similar to the guardian and all the other news outlets that then published what julian a songe disclose through wiki leaks right now he's saying that it's the same thing if everyone's on the same point it's like if you have a website yourself and you publish this interview you're a publisher u.s. officials maintain that julian a songe compromised national security by publishing classified documents now as you know in america you know sometimes first amendment is trumped by national security issues when information is disclosed that could threaten the lives of soldiers on the battlefield or threaten the lives of americans here at home do you believe honestly that killing or saw a sign should face no consequences whatsoever yes that's right and so why you know the same claims were made about the new york times when the pubs print the papers.

press freedom in the us would be biased channel the new york times james. some of these traditional chili lines they've been bred and developed and passed down from generation to. this is a total destruction of the culture of new mexico by telling them i mean this this is not going to impact the swelling in mexico whatever happens here it's about the . worry not about explain them in the open in a in all boarding and so forth. genetically engineered crops why do you think this country is full of obese and sick people because we have a crappy food system. a clear image of iraq after inflation. twenty day trucks a trip through the country. the roads full of danger. clear evidence from north to south. the route of iraqi tragedy. after the war waiting for peace. talks see on our t.v. . lippold live. live. the speed. of her. live. live. live a little bit misleading good little. luck lists look at a. live shot of me a little. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so for like sleep you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else and you he

initially it was scheduled to run in the "new york times" magazine. we heard that the "new yorker" was planning a long story on john kiriakou. in the end to my great relief, the editors agreed to just kind of crash it into the paper as we say on short notice and put it into the sunday paper so we can beat out the "new yorker." that's basically how i came to write about this in the paper. >> there are pictures that you had in the article with john kiriakou and his daughter and the children. why would he want his kids seen in public? >> well, i don't think he has huge fear from terrorists and that kind of thing. he was one of these people i mentioned who got out of the cia and wrote a book. it's called "the reluctant spy" it's a good read. like most former cry officers write books he fought a bit of battle what they call a public publication review board. i believe it's true when he first admitted his book manuscript, he's obligated to show it to them so they can look for classified information. i believe the first message he got back from them was, ever

the "new york times." we'll be right back. ( cheers and applause ) captioning sponsored by comedy central captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org ( cheers and applause ). >> stephen: that's it for the report, everybody. we are off for the next week. the next time you see me i'll be the next time you see me i'll be thin as - ♪ i'm going down to south park ♪ ♪ gonna have myself a time ♪ - ♪ friendly faces everywhere ♪ ♪ humble folks without temptation ♪ - ♪ going down to south park ♪ . ♪ gonna leave my woes behind ♪ - ♪ ample parking day or night ♪ ♪ people spouting "howdy neighbor" ♪ - ♪ headed on up to south park ♪ ♪ gonna see if i can't unwind ♪ - ♪ [mumbling] - ♪ come on down to south park ♪ ♪ and meet some friends of mine ♪

this was in "the new york times." g that was suddenly immediately worried about fatherhood. you get the two paragraphs that herald this news, women are making more money in four out of ten families, and in the third graph, before you get to the numbers that tell you 63% of the top-earning moms are single mothers earning a median of $23,000, before you get to that, you have three paragraphs about the other findings of the study, which is that people still think that this is bad for society, that women working for pay and working outside the home is bad, and that was the bigger news. >> does that part resinate in the politics you pursue? what's happening in this country increasingly is roles are changing in the way that we live and the way people feel about that is very torn and complicated, and i wonder how that affects the politics of an issue like this. >> the perfect example is when i ran for congress and i was two months' pregnant with my youngest daughter and the editorial page editor of one of my local papers when

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so we'll see if a deal can be brokered. >> the "the new york times'" mark mazetti thank you for your time. >>> after the break, new estimates say monday's devastating tornado in oklahoma caused up to $2 billion in damages. in the aftermath we're learning about how some of the people in those destroyed homes survived the storm. we'll hear their story coming up next on "now." ♪ [ female announcer ] from more efficient payments. ♪ to more efficient pick-ups. ♪ wireless is limitless. ♪ before tori was taking her kids to lunch in her new volkswagen... before her passat had passed 30 different inspection tests, and before several thousand tennesseans discovered new jobs on volkswagen drive, their cfo and our banker met for lunch. together, we worked with a team that helped finance construction of the world's first leed platinum auto manufacturing plant. that's the impact of global connections. that's bank of america. what that's great. it won't take long, will it? nah. okay. this, won't take long will it? no, not at all. how many of these can we do on our budget? more than you think. didn't

plus, i'll tell you about angelina jolie's brave admission "the new york times" and the spotlight it shines on health care and three, a revelation from newt gingrich that is as jaw dropping as the time he was leaving the polls, but lest you still not believe that today was a really large, massive, big, enormous news day, we begin with the rare and remarkable occurrence. simultaneous top level super newsy press conferences. this is during andrea mitchell's 1:00 p.m. show, sim ul casting the live white house briefing with jay carney and the press conference being held by eric holder. andrea did not have the sound up on both press con trenss at the same time, although that would have been awesome and kind of fun. here's what it would have been like. duelling press conferences. go. >> information obtained legally -- >> individuals -- submission. >> all right. that is fun. but also really important. see, the reason our network carried both is because everyone was waiting for both the white house and justice department to answer questions on the blockbuster story that dropped last night. w

the "new york times." we'll be right back. ( cheers and applause ) captioning sponsored by comedy central captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org ( cheers and applause ). >> stephen: that's it for the report, everybody. we are off for the next week. the next time you see me i'll be thin as captioning sponsored by comedy central (cheers and applause). >> jon: hey, everybody! welcome to "the daily show," my name is jon stewart! we have a good one for you tonight. our guest tonight, the great morgan freeman is going to be joining us! but first -- (cheers and applause) but first, nonfictional president barack obama gave a major address on counterterrorism policy this afternoon at washington's national defense university. actual safety school. (laughter) all right. in the speech president obama questioned how our overzealous prosecution of the war on terror and the prison at guantanamo bay may be affecting our souls. >> look at the current situation where we are force feeding detainees who are be

you're also the guy from the "new york times" who shows up on the cover here saying-- in syria, clash over highway a bitterly personal war by c.j. chivers. i see your name there. are you the only time in the "new york times" on the ground there in syria right now? >> at the moment i am. >> stephen: what do i need to know about syria that i'm not learning because there's not a lot of coverage of syria in the mainstream press because it's a bummer. >> in human terms it's a sorrow. and the thing you need to know probably for starters are the human terms. we're talking something like 100,000 people killed so far in the conflict, millions of people displaced in a country that is systematically, economically, physically, socially be destroyed. >> stephen: should we be there with boots on the ground? >> the syrians would like sosee us there. >> stephen: who the syrians o'er the assad rebels why don't the syrians look across the border to the stable, democratic regime in iraq? ( laughter ) that we established as a model for the entire region to spread peace. >> oh, i think what you're seeing

to propagandize their message same thing with proper argument he's the lena the filmmaker of the new york times well finally on this because then krugman says and one should never forget the example of japan where bets against government bonds justified by more or less the same arguments currently made to justify claims of a u.s. bomb bubble ended in greece so often that the whole trade came to be known as the widow maker at this point japan's debt is well over twice as g.d.p. its budget deficit remains large and the interest rate on ten year bonds is point six percent though no that's not a misprint he says well of course he wrote that a may ninth when the interest rates were point six percent within a week there a point eight six percent so that's a pretty huge rise as a forty percent rise in the course of a week listen jonathan i know you got a little tiff going with your pants a moment here so i can really screw him up start shorting japanese government bonds really aggressively on the open market with massive naked short sells drive that interest rate to four percent on the ten year and yo

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for petraeus's affair. >> greg: but look at the timing. >> eric: to make this clear, all these leaks, rosen, north korea, the airliner and the ones that "new yorkd to get that. your times reporter a co-conspirator and should he be? >> that is the question, are they in the white house? >> bob: there is no reason for him to be brought up as a co-conspirator. and that will last in court in five minutes. >> greg: one thing, we learned one thing, that dana can't stand james rosen. i thought we were a family here. coming up, the white house has identified 18 suspects who were involved in killing our ambassador and three other americans in benghazi. they don't want to kill them. they want to capture them and give them a civilian trial. more details on the five. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ get any more t tempting... ... you thought wrong. get up to 50% off memorial day hotels. final days. book now with travelocity. i honestly loved smoking, and i honestly didn't think i would ever quit. [ male announcer ] along with support, chantix (varenicline) is proven to help people quit smoking. it reduces the urge to smoke. it put me at ease that you could smoke on the first

the church with more than 30,000 members will break ties. >>> and in "the new york times," obama plans three nominations for key courts. he'll try to fill three vacancies. and of course challenging republicans to find reasons to block the nominations. >>> topping our news, chicago police say they have arrested the man who they believe shot and killed 6-month-old watkins in march. coleman willis is charged with first-degree murder. police say he was seeking revenge for a video game theft. his father, the intended target. >>> the jersey shore revisited. chris christie will give president obama a tour of the rebuilt shore. it's a replay right after hurricane sandy and just days before obama won re-election. >>> they say you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. well, it looks like this horse in san rafael, made its way to the water but fell into the well. kntv reports crews rescues the horse monday after several hours after it was agitated and tired, but thankfully the horse was okay. >>> one man in norway clearly had a lot on his mind. a norwegian crime novelist broke th

we begin this evening with david barboza of the "new york times." he received a pulitzer prize for his reporting from china. >> i worried for much of the year and i was warned by very smart people in china that investigating this kind of issue -- this is one of the most sensitive issues in china is the families of senior leaders and the business ties of senior leaders. so i was touching in this very forbidden area. very dangerous area. and i was told "you should leave the country. your life is in jeopardy we did receive some threats." >> rose: we continue with bettany mcclean and brian borough who write about hedge fund king steve co-then "vanity fair" magazine. >> you could argue steve cohen has already been destroyed. even if the government forever brings charges he'll be forever smeared by these allegations and even if they do bring charges, hedge fund guys would tell you they traffic in the gray areas all the time. that's the definition of the job. so when does the gray cross into the black. what makes everyday behavior become illegal? those ques

the new york times has recently published the plea of a yemeni national who's been imprisoned at guantanamo without charges of any kind for more than eleven years and here's what he writes no one seriously thinks i'm a threat but still i'm here years ago the military said i was a guard for osama bin laden but this was nonsense like something out of the american movies i used to watch they don't even seem to believe it anymore but they don't seem to care how long i sit here either the only reason i'm still here is that president obama refuses to send any detainees back to yemen this makes no sense i'm a human being not a passport and i deserve to be treated like one this is the yemeni. the new york times of course deserves credit for probably this letter of despair of this man but it seems unless it's on t.v. unless it's part of a national discussion national conversation few will actually know. so care about that why is it not part of the national conversation well nobody's taking it on that's happened in the civil rights legislation i was in the johnson white house and it took. many years

let's talk about the fact that we're seeing this week, for example, op ed pieces from the "new york timesfrom the "washington post," basically piling on this president. even the article in the "new york times" calling haim bystander, basically someone who checked out and not going to have any hope of getting anything passed this second term with this congress. >> no, i don't think that's true that they won't have any chance of getting anything passed. but i think the bystander comment cuts deeply because lots of people see this president lacking in the kind of aggressive, forward leadership style that people associate with the president of the united states. and they wonder if he is too much of a laid back, cool president who is always look for a way to bring people together rather than to lead people. of course, this all reminds us of that phrase, leading from behind, which the white house said nobody ever stood on their record. but it stuck to this president for a reason, which is people see him as laid back. >> uma: this editorial, for example, pulling out a little quote here, he said,

the offerings. and bravo, "new york times," for reporting on this new trend of cleaning up accidents. although i think i'll stick with my old method: picking them up with the "new york times." we'll be right back. ( cheers and applause ). >> stephen: welcome back, everybody. my guest tonight is abc's chief medical correspondent. while i'm interviewing him, my staff is stealing his prescription pad. please welcome dr. richard besser. ( cheers and applause ). hey, richard. good to see you again. okay. now as i said, you're abc news chief health and medical correspondent. and you've got a new book here called "tell me the truth, doctor: easy to understand answers to your most confusing and critical health questions." what are the most confusing health questions out there? >> a lot of the questions people have are around diet and exercise. >> stephen: should i diet or exercise? >> actually you need to do some of both. >> stephen: mmmmm. if you want to lose weight, diet is the most important thing. >> stephen: beautiful. but if you want to build a healthy heart and healthy bones, there's wh

in the bush administration, president bush himself called the "new york times" to say, let's hold back on this story if you're going to give away some of our sources and methods. the "new york times" said no. and they went forward anyway. i think the government has the right, but they need to be able to put some pressure on the news organizations to see if they'll comply first. >> should the media be making the point that eric holder recuses himself in this case? i mean, it doesn't seem to be getting a lot of coverage. >> well, dana millbank said eric holder abdicate'ed and mocked him on thursday for acting like he didn't know his own justice department and didn't write down his recusal. who knew that lawyers never wrote things down? however, you can always count on the "washington post" it say all these scandals are nothing. just move on. >> what about that? the fact that eric holder apparently was supposed to, you know, put all of this down in writing and doesn't do it? this is the nation's top law enforcement. >> this is typical of what you see as the informality of governance of th

for petraeus's affair. >> greg: but look at the timing. >> eric: to make this clear, all these leaks, rosen, north korea, the airliner and the ones that "new yorkone had to get that. your times reporter a co-conspirator and should he be? >> that is the question, are they in the white house? >> bob: there is no reason for him to be brought up as a co-conspirator. and that will last in court in five minutes. >> greg: one thing, we learned one thing, that dana can't stand james rosen. i thought we were a family here. coming up, the white house has identified 18 suspects who were involved in killing our ambassador and three other americans in benghazi. they don't want to kill them. they want to capture them and give them a civilian trial. more details on the five. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >>> more mind numbing news on the benghazi investigation, our government has 18 quote terrorists under surveillance in libya but we're not picking them up because the obama wants to try them in u.s. criminal courts and want to wait until they have enough evidence. i implore you to get the bad guys, drone their asses. coach roaches and lights are shining bright. l

ambassador, this is the "new york times" off the cuff line put us in a bind. do you think this is truth or is this spin? >> the "new york times" is sorted of the obama administration's megaphone. when they wanted to leak out what is coming next to put their political spin on things, n national security affairs, that is preferred vehicle. these leaks either represent a concerted effort to say the remark was off the cuff or we've got a more significant phenomenon. you have the president's own subordinates leaking against him. it's bad news. if it is an accurate reflection of what the president did, it's appalling. most presidents learn that matter of days or weeks after taking the oath as what they say is scrutinized is carefully around the world and what the defense policy drops to zero. here is barack obama almost four years in his presidency, not just making an off the cuff remark but one that essentially committed the credibility of his administration and the united states. he didn't follow through on it. i just appalled by it. >> eric: ambassador bolton, we'

the new york times actually took the time to look at some of these groups these five a one c.ours the karl rove kind of groups that were applying to the i.r.s. for tax exemption they wanted us to pay for their fire and whatever and one included in alabama tea party group that helped train people to get out the vote against president obama barack obama that was their phrase against president obama another was the ohio liberty coalition which distributed romney campaign information to its members there was another group that paid to you know spent their entire budget running program the ads on t.v. he's call themselves tea party groups so. tim aren't you willing to cut the i.r.s. a little more slack now you know and that nick conference or the piece in the new york times was a great example of question begging because it's all about what these groups do and nothing about the actual scandal that we're talking about is that they were selective i mean you could say the same thing about the organizing for america that as far as i know didn't have any problem getting its nonprofit st