but for, and i'll tell you this, let me tell you about the failing new york times, right. the failing new york times is doing great! (audience laughs) i'll tell you that. our readership is up 400,000 paid subscribers this year alone. - right. - stock prices up, i think 50%, something like that. the washington bureau where i work, the staff has gone up from around 70 people last year to 107, something like that, right now alone - [both men] just in the washington bureau alone. - it's a good time for us. - right, well then, that is real news, not fake news. i love that, okay. peter baker, thank you for being here, good to see you, great, thank you. (audience applauds) - [man] we'd love to have you join us in the studio. visit our website at klru.org/overheard to find invitations to interviews, q and as with our audience and guests, and an archive of past episodes. - we've hired two fact checkers in the washington bureau of the new york times this year. one, he does nothing basically but fact check the president of the united states. and the other one, by the way, is now fact

took over a house from which palestinians were forcibly expelled and the fact that the new york times is occupying the property through which that can be firmly was forcibly extract old during the night by like so many other palestinians is some symbolic because the new york times is reporting. this. any. kind of justified cover up israel's expulsion of dispossession of palestinians and here the new york times goes beyond simply. the complicity of its reporting to becoming really actual participant in this now. so unfortunately no one was home to answer my question but i was hoping to get to talk to the current residents here about the former residents of this home the palestinians who can no longer return for the subject of countless new york times articles in jerusalem this is on your part and pilfer r.t. there's a fascinating bit of what another would never would have known that never would have known the that all the new york times over his barrel there populism is almost there but they don't understand the symbolism of it that they don't understand what it can mean for someone an

am honored to invite to this stage greg miller of the "washington post," michael ash met at "the new york times" and to moderate this discussion, margaret sullivan, a media columnist for the "washington post" and former editor of "the new york times." [applause] >> well, thank you very much. this is a great day and it's especially a great day because i have two wonderful reporters here who usually are in the position of asking the questions, but today i'm going to get to ask them some questions. you in the audience are also invited towards the end of our half-hour to jump in with questions of year-round and i hope you will. so, we will get started on the topic of leaks, which i'm curious to hear both of you talk about because this past year has been one in which leaks have certainly been at the center of many news stories. i wonder if you would each talk to me and to the audience a little bit about what you see as the state of reporting through leaked information on what the challenges are and where we are on the trajectory. there were a lot of people who thought after the obama administration

schmitt of the new york times, and to moderate the discussion, margaret sullivan of the new york times[applause] margaret: thank you very much. this is a great day, and is especially a great day because i have two wonderful reporters here who usually are in the position of asking the questions, but today i am going to get to ask them questions. you in the audience are also invited toward the end of our half-hour to jump in with questions of your own. i hope you will. we will get started on the topic of leaks, which i am curious to hear both of you talk about because this past year has been one in which leaks have certainly been at the center of many a news story. i was wondering if you would talk to me and the audience about what you see as this state of reporting through leaked information and what the challenges are and where we are on the, on the trajectory. there were a lot of people who thought that after the obama administration crackdown on those who leaked and president trump's threats, that things would dry up. that doesn't seem to have happened. michael, i would like to start

" because lying to the "new york times" isn't a crime or being misleading to the "new york times" isn't a crime. so if you don't have an underlying crime to investigate, the president doesn't need to answer your question. so that's a fascinating question. but it goes to show this is front and center, very much of interest to bob mueller. >> that is obviously why mark corallo's input here changes what was going on on air force one from being a story lying to the "new york times" to something 34u67 more important that goes right to the center of the investigation. please stay with us if you can because there might be questions from our other guests. john hileman, barbara mcquad an msnbc legal contributor, and frank montoya, jr. he's a retired fbi executive. john, i want to get in one more word buy graphically here about mark corallo. here's a former spokesperson for the attorney general. a republican attorney general. he knows his way around this arena. and he develops concerns of the people he's dealing with and what he hears in this conference call that hope hicks could be leadin

irregularities there and some of the most vocal critics of the member have been the washington post and the new york times they're currently the subject of a new film but as a nice american explains journalistic values can change over time the washington post and the new york times once established themselves as shining beacons of true journalism a brave group of reporters who would stop at nothing to find out as much as they can in their quest for truth but i'm actually talking about the seventy's back then new york times and poster as risk jail time by publishing classified documents on the vietnam war the new york times begins its explosive series based on the pentagon papers publication of a covert version of the war that recount due to much of the optimistic talk that permeated official statements for years now daniel ellsberg leaks the documents to the washington post you want to learn more go to the movies and check out the oscar nominated film the post seems like the perfect robot alter trump attacks on the media and according to the creators that was actually the intention one thing that both of

pbs and the new york times are not the same. as you point out, the new york times is a dream job. most people end their careers at the new york times. they say, that's the thing i'm aspiring to. you were at newsday and then you were at usa today before going to the times, but still at a relatively young age, you got there in 2015. so you were still in your 20s when you got to the new york times. but then you leave the times. no one leaves the times. i mean, stipulate, pbs is awesome. we love pbs, right? that's like, what are we doing here? but but but, that's not a job you leave. so what was it about new york times to pbs that made you make that change? - well you know, gwen ifill left the new york times. - correct, that's true, good point. check mate. - so if you're someone who's a student of gwen ifill and a student of, she was a mentor of mine, and we met because we had the same hairdresser because that's how that happens, and that's how the universe, so great. - that is, by the way, not how we met. - that is, by the way, not how we met. - so seeing that, and seeing that she lef

and i have one the reporters from "the new york times" just a reminer to the viewers, "the new york times" reporting tonight and in the discussions about this famous trump tower meeting in 2016 during the campaign that hope hiks, communications adviser to the president at the time made a comment that don trump junior's emails wouldn't come out. mark, you reported this story and tell us the significance of this. >> i think it's significant when corallo testifies to mueller this is a conversation he had with hope hicks. how he interpreted her statement. he believes she was perhaps trying to bury some of the e-mails or ensure they didn't come out. this would be maybe his word against hers. this is a senior member of the legal team who is going to testify to the mueller investigation that he was concerned about how in whole 24 hours went down. this is the day after the statement had been put out, the misleading statement aboard air force 1 describing the trump tower meeting in a certain way. he know that the meeting happened in a very different manner. >> no question. as you refer to, there,

i think he knows i worked for the new york times. host: the failing new york times. : the failing new york times, exactly. hurts, "the new york times" is the greatest news organization in the world. we do not put out fake news. that gets under my skin when i hear it. i think a lot of journalists feel that way. host: have you ever had a conversation with him? doug: for the white house news photographers contest, we were invited to the oval office to have our picture taken with him. there was a brief handshake. that was the first time i had ever shaken his hand. i think it was the first time i realized he knew who i was. he said something to the other photographers like, oh, he is really good. watch out for him. i realized he knew who i was and who i worked for. it is definitely different, he is not a politician. every time you are in the oval office, when he is around members of congress, to have a cabinet room photo op about immigration and be in their for about 55 minutes. we were flies on the wall negotiating the immigration bill. it was fascinating. it was unpreced

irregularities there and some of the most of critics of the memo have been the washington post and the new york times journalism has become the subject of a new film it was all a teaser so merican explains journalistic values can change over time. the washington post and the new york times once established themselves as shining beacons of true journalism a brave group of reporters who would stop at nothing to find out as much as they can in their quest for truth but i'm actually talking about the seventy's back then new york times and poster as risk jail time by publishing classified documents on the vietnam war the new york times begins its explosive series based on the pentagon papers publication of a covert version of the war that recount due to much of the optimistic talk that permeated official statements for years now daniel ellsberg leaks the documents to the washington post you want to learn more go to the movies and check out the oscar nominated film the post seems like the perfect were bottle to trump attacks on the media and according to the creators that was actually the intention one thi

the way the "new york times" got this story and reported it out is that mark corallo told three people contemporaneously at the time it happened what happened. they've now given their reports to the "new york times," mr. corallo is not disputing the reports. and now we have, after he said it alarmed him, we know he quit. we didn't have an explanation at the time why he was quitting, this now gives us the explanation. so we have the reporting, the witnesses coming forward and going on the record and he's attesting to the truth of what they're saying, that's a lot of weight. that's not he said, she said, that's he said and these folks can back it up. >> it's a gigantic development in the obstruction of justice investigation. i try to find an adjective that will get this to land because we get so many bombshells and

job with him for seven years afterward and also anne woodward in the susan donovan piece in "the new york timesrified the story. anne woodward was jill messic's assistant and she was on a lot of these calls and she's come out, "the new york times" verified her story. >> and in that vein, let me ask you this, do you think that the expectation in hollywood that you're describing and now that many people have described that women would trade sexual favors for their career were so ingrained in the system -- >> no. i think it's ingrained in the system to own and rape women, and the casting couch is us trying to get a job. what if it's you using that power dynamic to rape? think about the difference and think about the spins and write history because it's not us. we need to rise up into our own power and see where we're being manipulated and see why it's a collective stockholm syndrome and a system that needs to be broken down and again, in my book, when i talk about these stories it's using, if i talk about meryl streep and i don't talk about her in the book or ben affleck or anybody, they're a cons

. >> the fbi was trying to find out who gave "the new york times" a copy of the pentagon's secret study >> like a thunderclap, you get the new york times publishing the pentagon papers and the country is panicking. >> this is an attack on the whole integrity of government. if whole file cabinets can be stolen and made available to the press, you cannot have order in the government anymore. >> it was staggering. the raw top-secret, eyes only documents. >> i think it is time in this country to quit making national heroes out of those who steal secrets and publish them in the newspaper. in my first year of marriage, we are talking about him going to prison for the rest of his life. >> we felt so strongly that we were dealing with a national security crisis, henry kissinger said that dr. daniel ellsberg was the most dangerous man in america and he had to be stopped. amy: an excerpt from "the most dangerous man in america." while the nixon administration attempted to send him to life in prison, authorities never charged anyone with helping him. as interest in the pentagon papers gross thanks

and some of the most vocal critics of the memo have been the washington post and the new york times they're currently the subject of a new film but it's on t. samir a cohen explains journalistic values can change over time the washington post and the new york times once establish themselves as shining beacons of true journalism a brave group of reporters who would stop at nothing to find out as much as they can in their quest for truth but i'm actually talking about the seventy's back then new york times and poster as risk jail time by publishing classified documents on the vietnam war the new york times begins its explosive series based on the pentagon papers publication of a covert version of the war that recount due to much of the optimistic talk that it permeated official statements for years now daniel ellsberg leaks the documents to the washington post you want to learn more go to the movies and check out the oscar nominated film the post seems like the perfect robot alter trump attacks on the media and according to the creators that was actually the intention one thing that both of t

the new yorks: times is a major global news brand. making the transition away from a printed newspaper to a digital is this. looking at the breadth of those you represent, will we see a consolidation continue at pace? where they have limited local news? i think there are several challenges david chavern: -- david chavern: i think there are several challenges. where people attach their attention is limited. that being said, the real fear, we talk about fake news as a aboutal story, we talk various issues on a national scale. the future of fake news will be a local phenomenon. withill have people curiosity and interest in their community and there will be insufficient reliable sources locally. crazyill fill that is bloggers and conspiracy theorists who have ideas of what is happening in the local counsel or's school board. -- or school board. when looking to the future, one of the challenges is as we move into digital consumption of news to a greater degree, do the local news organizations have the resources to build and optimize and con

next to the new york daily news and the new york times it says essentially russia bought jumping on the chance to divide the you know american public over the shooting in florida and they said it in fewer words on the other hand right next to it there's a full page picture in the daily news of donald trump playing golf saying can i play through that says trump plays golf less than a mile from scene of shooting. in other words they're doing exactly you know full page spot what they're accusing russian box of doing which is dividing people over the issue of these kids getting murdered in florida and i'm wondering you know i see this obviously not a newsstand one newspaper next to another throughout the new york area those two papers why next to each other on a new step but i'm wondering if whatever is there when the little segment did push you know this narrative if anybody there is actually seeing these things side by side because those two things are contradictory and it's very interesting adam you know in looking at the big picture like when don was just saying right there i mea

the record. no new york publisher would publish it. regnery publishes the, 27 weeks on "the news york times" bestsellers list. it was not flags of our mothers. publishers turned it down and published at 44 weeks on the "new york times" bestsellers list. the way things are going in the trumpcare there's a hysteria and i'm not sure if you were still reading but it's everyday a facebook page that they think russia was behind. if you've visited america in 2016 you would notice the major cities. you couldn't drive a mile without seeing it six-foot tall trump signed but i'm sure it's on the facebook page. in any event they have a couple more hysterical than i've ever seen. i think the errors that i've written about and i think this is worse than even that. we could be right back to regnery being the only source. the only way for conservatives to communicate with one another. [laughter] so remember there is a reason it's called -- he was called henry regnery the most dangerous man in america. here's to regnery. [applause] regnery publishing recently celebrated her 78th anniversary. booktv be visited their offices in

[laughter] >> so years later leo -- it's on the record, in new york publisher would publish it, gregory publishes, 27 weeks on the new york times best seller list. 27 new york publishers turned it down, published it 44 weeks on new york times best seller's list. the way things are going now in the trump era, the hysteria, i don't know if any of you are reading the treason times but it's every day about somehow facebook page that they think russia went behind who they have thrown the whole election. [laughter] >> if you visited america in 2016 you would notice outside of major cities you couldn't drive a mile without seeing a trump sign, but i'm sure that that was facebook page. at any event, they have become more hysterical than i've ever seen and lived through mccarthy era and nixon but i have written about them but it's even worse than that. if they do get control of the internet, we can get back to gregory being the only source, the only way for conservatives to communicate with one another. [laughter] >> so today on their mailing list and remember there's a reason, the most dangerous man in america. here is to regnery. [che

moved its headquarters to the times building it's now called one time square it's just a couple of blocks away from here and it is named after the new york times and when you hear times square it's the new york times after the one nine hundred twenty nine stock market crash this whole area was pretty beat up businesses moved out closed down went bankrupt and as they slowly businesses started to come back in they were really of a cd or nature some peep shows a little bit of vaudeville shows some pawn shops and a lot of panhandlers that was pretty much the norm and it wasn't until the one nine hundred ninety s. that america's mayor rudy giuliani initiated a real cleanup effort here in times square and wow did they do a great job it really came back and take a look at this canyon of whites just amazing because. looking all around you can turn around slowly and there's seemingly an endless cascade of vibrant video of news feeds and of advertising for five stories tall even higher i'm looking probably fifteen story worth of lights there and speaking of that it really is a show here of course we will talk about shows we talk about broadway and

now that's eatin good in the neighborhood. >>> this is news i did not expect to be breaking. "the new york timesent's long-term personal lawyer michael cohen says today he paid out of his pocket to a porn film actress that claimed to have an affair with mr. trump. this was the stormy daniels scandal. there were multiple reports she was paid $130,000 before the election to keep quiet about her alleged affair with president trump while he was married to his current wife. michael cohen is the man behind the payments but he's told the times tonight after a lot of questions, weeks of questions whether or not that might have been a campaign contribution. some campaign contributions co-hco cohen is reporting it was his personal money he paid. the 2016 payment made to the actress, mr. cohen said he was not reimbursed. the trump campaign was not a party to the transaction with miss cliffclifford. it was lawful and not a campaign ex ppenditure by anyone. he declined to answer followup questions and mr. trump paid the payment and what the motivation was and whether he made similar payments to people over t

irregularities there well some of the most vocal critics of the memo have been the washington post and the new york times that journalism is currently the subject of a new film but as samir a con explains journalistic values can change over time. the washington post and the new york times once established themselves as shining beacons of true journalism a brave group of reporters who would stop at nothing to find out as much as they can in their quest for truth but i'm actually talking about the seventy's back then new york times and poster less risk jail time by publishing classified documents on the vietnam war the new york times begins its explosive series based on the pentagon papers publication of a covert version of the war that ran counter to much of the optimistic talk that had permeated official statements for years now daniel ellsberg leaks the documents to the washington post you want to learn more go to the movies and check out the oscar nominated film the post seems like the perfect robot alter trump attacks on the media and according to the creators that was actually the intention one thing

since december about the interview, what they're negotiating is this stuff that appeared in the "new york times," meaning no questions about the "new york times," no questions about comey's -- his discussion with comey about flynn. clearing the special prosecutor is not agreeing to that and that's why we have tonight's story. that leaves the special prosecutor with the choice of subpoenaing the president to testify to a grand jury, as you just referenced, assuming he turns down the interview. now, let's then assume the president does not defy that subpoena, let's assume he fight it is subpoena in court or whatever, but eventually is ordered to testify to the grand jury. take us to that scenario, because now there's no lawyer present, the lawyer is not allowed in the grand jury room. the president at any time as a witness can leave the grand jury room to go ask his lawyer a question about what's happening in there, but it's a much more cumbersome thing to handle that way. and it's at that point that you believe that there would be virtually no limitations of the scope of the question? >> there w

for those top spots on bestseller lists. >> some of the covers of your books just look at your bookshelf, some say national best seller, "new york times" bestseller, why the difference? >> well, you may know that we made a pretty big decision here at regnery earlier this year to stop using the "new york times" bestseller moniker as a promotion vehicle and a way to track bestseller success and we did that because we were seeing that the "new york times" best seller list frequently did not reflect what really was selling the best in the country and whether that is a liberal bias or simply an outdated means of tracking sales, we felt repeatedly we saw that the books that were selling the most copies in a given week across the country were not any knopf on top of the "new york times" lists and frankly that was especially true when those books were conservative the books, whether that was a regnery book or published by someone else, time and again conservative books would outsell liberal books or books from authors who were on the left, would outsell those books. when we looked at the nielsen-- nielsen book data and yet somehow they would

kinds of drugs and some of the most vocal critics of the memo have been the washington post and the new york times that currently the subject of a new film busses american explains journalistic values can change over time. the washington post and the new york times once established themselves as shining beacons of true journalism a brave group of reporters who would stop at nothing to find out as much as they can in their quest for truth but i'm actually talking about the seventy's back then new york times and poster as risk jail time by publishing classified documents on the vietnam war the new york times begins its explosive series based on the pentagon papers publication of a covert version of the war that ran counter to much of the optimistic talk that it permeated official statements for years now daniel ellsberg leaks the documents to the washington post you want to learn more go to the movies and check out the oscar nominated film the post seems like the perfect robot alter trying to talk on the media and according to the creators that was actually the intention one thing that both of these

certainly, plenty of our books have gotten onto "the new york times" bestseller and plenty have been number one on the new york best seller list so to a certain degree of trepidation that we made that decision to say no, despite the fact that that is currently a powerful marketing tool in some cases we just did not feel that we could, in good conscience, use that anymore he didn't believe is reflective to what was really going on one marty ross, back to time to get tough. 2011, whose idea was it? >> guest: it was a combination of watching donald trump start to speak at conservative vents and to speak more politically and we had the idea and he had the idea at the same time and we heard that he was thinking about a book and we've been talking about him doing a book so he approached him and said we should talk about this. i said we went up to his office in new york city and we made our case for why we thought we would be a good partner. he agreed and he's pretty entrepreneurial and we struck a deal and started right away. it was a traffic project and i enjoyed working with him and he wa