the court. landmark cases. tonight is "new york times" company versus the united states this 1971 case supreme court the nixon gainst administration in a big win for journalism. the decision upheld "new york "washington post" as you saw in this recent movie ight to publish classified information on the story, the history of the vietnam war over ignificant objections from pentagon and white house. we have two terrific guests at understand help us how this case unfolded and what it means for us in our society. introduce to you floyd lawyers of the pwbest co-counsel in the new york times case and now attorney in new where he does focus on first amendment and media law at is a guest professor columbia university school of journalism. welcome. e are pleased to welcome ted olsen. he has argued 63 cases in for the ractice and government before the supreme court including during his term 2001 icitor general from to 2004. one of his key cases epresenting president bush in president bush v gore and a artner now at gibson dunn in washington and we

howie: the "new york times" touched off a media debate by reporting robert mueller is possibly showing obstruction of justice by trump. joining us now from new york, morgan ortagus, and bill press, host of the online bill press show. morgan, this was the lead story in the "new york times," mueller scrutinizing trump's tweets. i am thinking tweets? morgan: i'm not a lawyer. but what i found interesting is three major things happened. the gdp was put at 4.1%, which is the largest economic growth since the third quarter of 2014. it added $7 trillion to the economy in new growth. what's important to me as a member of the military is the fact we got our remains home from core there are from our men who were lost their decade ago. i bring that up to say i think those things are what's important to the american people. if you are running a small biz like lie father is in florida, having a gdp growth of 4% is important. another story about the president's tweets aren't important to him. but i have got to say he probably doesn't read the "new york times." also doesn't it suggest robert mueller

take "the new york times." "the new york times" makes its money -- digital subscription up to 2 million right now. great. but they marry their money from the print newspaper and one of the problems you have in the world -- just cite two facts that illustrate the fundamental economic probablelet a paper like "the new york times" has. people who read in the newspaper -- the print newspaper, spent 34 minutes a day on average reading the "new york times" newspaper. that's a lot. people who read "the new york times" online spend 35 minutes a month. so if you're an advertiser, you say, i'm -- people cannot spend a lot of time with my ads. so therefore i'm only going to pay roughly 10% or 15% for the same ad in digital as i pay for in the print newspaper. so, that is a basic problem. the ""times" can get around that problem because they have an affluent reddership and just increase the price of subscription, so can the "the new yorker" and the financial times and the economist, the" chalk tribune "can't," the detroit n

new york. >>> hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. "the new york times" today out with a new bombshell report about the president's long-time fix y fixer and former personal attorney michael cohen. the "times" reveals for the very first time that cohen secretly recorded at least one conversation with donald trump and that the fbi now has its hands on it. in the recording, donald trump and michael cohen discuss hush money payments to karen mcdougal. she's a former playboy model who had an alleged affair with trump. the fbi seized the recording of trump and cohen in a raid on cohen's home and offices earlier this year that donald trump described at the time as an attack on the nation. >> i just heard that they broke into the office of one of my personal attorneys, good man, and it's a disgraceful situation. it's a total witch hunt. it's a disgrace. it's frankly a real disgrace. it's an attack on our country in a true sense. >> an attack on our country, wow. the "times" writes of the significance of today's revelation. "the recording's existence further dra

the new york times has sent donald trump a stern warning — calling his attacks on the news media "dangerous harmful." and victory for britain's geraint thomas — the first welshman to win the tour de france. all the details coming up in sport. hello and welcome to world news today. more than 100 aftershocks have been felt after a powerful earthquake on the indonesian island of lombok. at least 1a people have been killed on the island, but officials say hundreds have been injured and the number of casualties is expected to rise. lombok is located about aokm east of bali and is popular with tourists. the main quake hit early in the morning when many people were still sleeping and was followed by multiple aftershocks. pablo uchoa reports. a scenic morning trek ending in panic. on mount rinjani at a popular site with tourists captured the moment the earthquake struck. the footage shows the group of climbers trying to get down the mountain as quickly as possible as clouds of dust rise from nearby landslides. this is what residents woke up to. the quake of magnitude 6.4 was quickly followed by mor

news has morphed into the phrase, "enemy of the people." that is what president trump on occasion calls the press and it has led to a very strong statement coming back from the new york times how they saw the meeting. ag sulzberger, who is a publisher of the new york times, says he went there to speak about president trump's anti—press rhetoric and the damage it was doing. he says that there are concerns that other regimes are using it to justify their own media crack—downs. he says it is proving to be damaging and devisive in terms of the us. and he says it is undermining democratic ideals in the united states, particularly those of a free press and free speech. he goes on to say that as far as he's concerned president trump can criticise the new york times can criticise their coverage if he feels it is not fair but he is very concerned about the broader attack onjournalism which he says has been harmful and damaging to the country. he also says it is risking violence and putting lives at risk. he says there are journalists was are going to be threatened as a result of what president trump is saying and that he needs to be more careful with his language. there has, of cou

he was very critical of the new york times and the new york times were there, the crowd turned aroundanted fake news, making a point of singling out the new york times and cnn in terms of the american networks are being places where they not fail. yes, you are right in saying this was an attempt to try and bring the two sides closer together. in fact we have had such different interpretations of this meeting suggest that perhaps there was not that meeting of minds that perhaps could have happened. may be a case of shoot the messenger. i would have loved to have been a fly on the wall for that fascinating meeting! at least 1a people have died and more than 100 others have been injured after a 6.4 magnitude earthquake struck a popular tourist destination in central indonesia. residents and tourists poured onto the streets and into open fields to escape damaged buildings on the island of lombok. the tremour was felt in bali 60 miles away. 0ur correspondent katharine da costa reports. buildings and lives shaken to the core. this was the scene dozens woke up to in northern lombok. the dist

the number of people killed could rise. palbo ochoa, bbc news. the publisher of the new york timesrump in a white house meeting, that the president's attacks on the news media are "dangerous and harmful to the country." president trump's meeting with arthur g sulzberger took place on the 20th ofjuly, following a request from the white house for what appeared to be a routine get—to—know—you session. our washington correspondent chris buckler has more details. if this meeting between the new york times and donald trump was intended to mend or build temperatures will the relationship is not lasted very long. we heard about the meeting when president trump tweeted about it even though it took place over a week ago. he said they had a very good meeting at the white house and they discussed the vast amount of fa ke they discussed the vast amount of fake news being put out by the media and how that fake news has morphed into the phrase enemy of the people. that is why president trump on occasion calls of the press and it has led to a very strong statement coming back from the new york tim

and like, ultimately, i kind of feel like the thy times paraphrase -- "the new york times" paraphrase wasn't necessarily fair. or at least it wasn't as accurate as it could have been. "the new york times" story yesterday about trump's rally in tennessee, they described an audience of a thousand people, and the fire marshal -- trump this morning, fake news. the fire marshal said it was 5500 people. "the new york times" didn't issue a correction. these are, you know, self-inflicted wounds. i don't mean to pick on "the new york times," those are just two of the most resonant in my head. i think it's an amazing newspaper, and they do a lot of great work, and it's impossible to publish a million facts every day and not have a couple of them wrong. but we just need to be really, really diligent and really, really careful because the most powerful man in the world is trying to undermine us, and he's doing so at least according to what lesley stahl says he told her, i do it so that when you report negatively on me, nobody believe it. >> it's tactical. >> yeah. that's why he's doing it. and we

we are in a country now there is no leverage for the new york times. we were taken seriously but admits of that rational judgment and you could take it to the bank but now nobody believes what anybody says the new york times or not. or msnbc or cnn. so unfortunately the times has joined in and i think they should back off a little bit. it just means for me, don't worry about what he says. two months ago this stuff happened. why did it take until somebody for children crying? and why worry about pruitt? he runs the epa believes he is entitled to whatever he is has the worst cabinet going to talk about what he did. but there is an investigative reporter of young journalist a large group now, 1800 that are trying to become reporters because they see it is a renaissance with this group there annual conference was five or six now it is three times as many so people are going into this business knowing they will not get the kind of money i mentioned the credit cards of the new york times my first week my first day i was sent that night to france for the peace

now it is time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. >> good evening. "the new york times" has published the breaking news of the night. and it turns out donald trump knew and he knew weeks before the inauguration. listen to this opening for this article. two weeks before his inauguration, donald j trump was shown highly classified intelligence indicating thatvla russia has personally ordered complex cyber attacks to sway the 2016 american election. the evidence included texts and e-mails from russian military officers and information gleamed from a top secret source close to mr. putin who has described to the cia how the kremlin intended to hack. mr. trump sounded grudgingly convinced, according to several people who attended the intelligence briefing. but ever since, mr. trump has tried to cloud the very clear findings he received on january 6th, 2017, which his own intelligence leaders have unanimously endorsed. >> this is two weeks before the inauguration? he was shown direct, raw evidence not only that the hack happened but that putin ordered it? >> e-mails and

new york. let me be clear. it started as an off the record meeting. ten days ago between president trump and publisher of the new york times, what he often calls the failinge president tweeted about meeting putting it on the record. the new york times publisher released a statement over the weekend saying he told the president his language was quote, not just divisive but increasingly dangerous and went on to say he implored him, being the president, to reconsider his broad attacks on journalism. a look at the president's tweeter time line shows he may not have gotten that message or taken it to heart. oliver darcy joins me now. walk me through the back and forth between the president and solz burger on? >> the white house requested i go he go to the white house and this happened on july 20th. they apparently discussed trump's attacks on the media, particularly him labeling the media as the enemy of the people. salzberger said in a statement after the meeting, i told trump although the phrase fake news is untrue and harmful, i'm far more concerned about his labeling journalists the enemy of the people. i warned this inflammatory language is contributing t

do we know, does the "new york times" say that this recording is one of the things that came up with the fbi? >> the "new york times" does say that this was one of the things that was seized by the fbi as a part of the raid. and again, just to emphasize this one more time, many, many things were taken as part of that raid, this is just a piece of it, kate. >> i know you've got a lot of reporting going on, but jumping on the phone with me is ranata arianna is on phone with me. what is your reaction to this story from the "new york times"? >> federal prosecutors are investigating michael cohn for a variety of crimes related to these payments, campaign violations, and potential bank fraud. and it is never a good thing when you are talking to someone about a matter under which they are funder federal investigatio. here we have the president of the united states having conversations with michael cohen about a matter that is the subject of a federal criminal investigation. that's significant because one of the -- you don't commit crimes nearly by being associated with somebody, you need to

vladmir putin all because the new york times is demanding it. vladmir putin all because the new york times is demanding it. for the new york times to give a laundry list of every little thing that should have been done, i'd like to see the laundry list of president obama and others have done in their meetings. i think it's startling and i haven't seen the new york times and maybe they haven't. i wasn't paying attention as much when president obama leaned in and said when i get re-electre-elect ed i'll have more flexibility. >> do you think what the president obama said and what the president trump did are equal? >> i think we're talking about words. i think what president obama said might be as bad or worse. i also think it's pretty significant that president obama did nothing when the russians invaded crimea, when the russians have been aggressive across the world. what happened with this meddling and we have conviction of 12 russian nationals. a new one coming on heels of this. what good does it do the united states? we know they were meddling.

and the "new york times" had to issue a correction. ese are self-inflicted wounds. i don't mean to pick on the "new york times", but as the two most prevalent in my head. it's impossible to publish a million fax a day and i have a couple of them wrong, but we just need to be really really diligence and really really careful because the most powerful man in the world is trying to undermine us and he's doing so at least according to what leslie stahl on 60 minutes said he told her i do it so when you report negatively on me that no one will believe it. >> its tactical? >> yeah. that's why he's doing it and we just have to be purer than pure and make sure our facts are right to glow, i don't always get my facts right. it's not possible, but i really wish i had-- i had an editor in my first full-time job and my editor was david carr who went on to become immediate editor for the "new york times" and i remember every mistake i made and i remember david carr and how he dealt with it and it was not happy. it was not a pretty sight and i wish e

news has morphed into the phrase, "enemy of the people." that is what president trump on occasion calls the press and it has led to a very strong statement coming back from the new york timessaw the meeting. ag sulzberger, who is a publisher of the new york times, says he went there to speak about president trump's anti—press rhetoric and the damage it was doing. he says that there are concerns that other regimes are using it to justify their own media crack—downs. he says it is proving to be damaging and devisive in terms of the us. and he says it is undermining democratic ideals in the united states, particularly those of a free press and free speech. now, he goes on to say that as far as he's concerned president trump can criticise the new york times can criticise, can criticize their coverage, if he feels it is not fair but he is very concerned about the broader attack onjournalism which he says has been harmful and damaging to the country. he also says it is risking violence and putting lives at risk. he says there are journalists was are going to be threatened as a result of what president trump is saying and that he needs to be more careful with his language. there

"the new york times" is using the suggestion of a gay relationship between these two as an attack on "the new york times" as a paper that wouldn't attack people for being gay. what do you make of this? >> well, it can't be homophobia because it's "the new york times," right? they are totally exempt from something like that. what i make of this, stephen colbert and jimmy kimmel are two other torchbearers of the dying and steel establishment culture who also recently made gay sex jokes about donald trump. it is the sort of behavior that is tailor-made for a "huffington post" think piece about the history of gays as a punch line, about how cartoons are equating violence, yet i haven't seen these thing pieces. i wonder why they are not calling out the side foray attempting to make fun of gay people. maybe when the left tries to bully these soy boys, maybe they were called gay on the playground, and maybe this is the only way they know how to bully someone back. i don't know. >> tucker: but wait a minute, aren't there all these highly funded groups in washington that exist to stop this ki

"the new york times" writing the following. quote, mr. trump, while an incorrigible gossip, over the past three days he has stoked uncertainty even among his closest aides by asking lots of questions but offering little in return according to those who have spoken to him. we know the president has a tendency to fixate on metrics, ratings, but that might not be all that is motivating him, not this time, as the secrecy and fanfare appear to be distracting from a series of punishing headlines facing the white house. look at these. a major set back over the weekend in north korea. criticism of his relationship with vladimir putin in the run up to this first u.s./russia one on one summit. and perhaps most significantly, the mueller probe. signs that trump's legal team is recalibrating its strategy, raising concerns that the president may be backed into a corner. joining me now on set, chuck rosenberg, former u.s. attorney and former senior fbi official now an msnbc contributor. former democratic congresswoman donna edwards is here. sarah f sar

the best a man can get. >>> more on the breaking news. the new york times reporting that the president of the united states, donald trump, is on tape with his ten attorney, michael cohen, secretly taped, talking to a payment for a playboy model two months before the election. i want to bring in ari melber and ari, i want to start with you, you had breakfast with cohen a few hours ago. >> yes, i did. he reached out this last week and said let's hook up and talk. i have known him for 20 years. he's the guy that when you are fighting with donald trump of some issues in new york, he'll set up the meeting and he was the go-to guy for trump and he'll try to get everybody on the same page because trump would not get on the same page with us. he'll try to get a dialogue going. we knew each other and he was straight with us and he was always honest and even if we disagreed. >> his loyalty of the president has been well documented. did you get, i know most of the conversation is off the record. did you get the sense that somehow perhaps his loyalty has shifted? >> i

adrienne: i am an avid reader of the "new york times." t i can't understand why alan dershowitz is helping the story day relevant, why it's being covered by the media. howie: i will bet a lot of "new york times" readers go to places like that. it's almost like apply crow could many of intolerance. it's like when people unfriend you on facebook. it says how politics has affected everybody's social lives. emily, ders with it said the bar for tolerance has been lowered. now a democrat is being isolated and pushed out. as a conservative i dislike as much as anyone, we have to be sympathetic to powerful people who are being pushed out. but there is a statement there. it's worth consideration, but maybe not on the front page of the "new york times." howie: let me get to this dust-up between president trump and jimmy fallon. he was the last host on late night who wasn't regularly beating up on the president. howie: were you able to hear that? basically emily jimmy fallon seems to be joining the ranks of criticism. emily: jimmy fallon is a liberal

find our most advanced formula exclusively at the home depot. >>> breaking news as "the new york timesgo to washington. meeting with the relatively new public lu publisher of "the new york times." trump says it was a good meeting. i wonder what actually happened in the meeting. now we know. in the past few minutes, he has issue a.g. sulzberger explains why he met with the president. my main purpose was for accepting the meeting was to raise concerns about the president's deeply troubling anti-press rhetoric. i told the president directly that i thought that his language was not only divisive but increasingly dangerous. i told him that although the phrase fake news is untrue and harmful i am far more concerned about its labels journalists the enemy of the people. i warned that this inflammatory language is contributing to a rise in threats against journalists and will lead to violence. trump hasn't answered a single question from reporters since wednesday. that's the day you remember this happened. >> did michael cohen betray you, mr. president? did michael cohen betray you? are you wor

but wait, this is the "new york times." they are not supposed to think that is wrong and shapeful. ing? joining us now is the journalist who we hope will sort it out for us. chadwick, the "new york times" using the suggestion of a gay relationship between the two as an attack on them. but you think of the "new york times" as a paper that wouldn't attack people for being guest. -- being gay. what do you make of it? >> it can't be homophobic. because it's the "new york times." stephen colbert and jimmy kimmel are also torch bearing bearing -- torchbearers have made these jokes about president trump. this is tailor made for huffington post think base as a punch line and the cartoons equate violence. yet, i haven't seen the think pieces. why aren't they calling out their own side for attempting to make fun of gay people? maybe when the left tries to bully that's people at the "new york times," maybe they were called gay on the playground and the only way they know to bully someone back. i don't know. >> tucker: wait a second. aren't there all these highly funded group in washington that

the age of trump? new kind o joining us now to analyze this and the breaking news out ofin o "the new york times" asf trump?y karl rove, former senior advisos and the breaking news out o to president george w. bush. "the new york times" as karl, it's great to have you on karl rove, former senior advisor karl, it's great to have you on1 to president george the show.w. bush. karl, it's gme on "the ingraham angle." thank you so much for coming on. what about that? the first firn "the ingraham angle." thank you so much for coming on. the last couple of weeks, you what about that? had obama, clinton, anddthe lasu george w. bush, not directly had referencing the president, but d george w. bush, not directly referencing the president, but clearl clearly, they are not so thinly veiled references to his governing style, and theo thinly veiled references to his substance of his policy. your reaction? style, and the >> president clinton andnd substance of his policy. your reaction? >> president bush 43 were speaking at a seminar in little rock ford president bush 43 were speaking the presidential scholars, a at a sem

it obviously did not come from the southern district of new york and i believe i know the reason why they leaked this particular recording to "the new york times," which is one of many. >> what is the reason? we have information on who leaked it and "the new york times" does not address that. i want to be clear to our viewers that's your position. but tell us why you think this particular recording was leaked. >> because it's one of many recordings, and it was leaked as a further shot across the bow aimed at donald trump and the white house to let them know that if they don't play ball with michael cohen and get him in the tent very, very quickly, that there is going to be significant fallout. and you've seen a progression over the last few weeks of these continual warning shots aimed at donald trump. you know, we've heard from lanny davis and others that michael cohen, he's a patriot. he loves his country. he's going to put his country and his family above all else. well, look, if that's true, he should disclose all of the tapes and all of the evidence. there is nothing stopping him from doing it. the fbi is not prohibiting him from doing it.

if it didn't happen in "the new york times" today, most people think it never happened. y appreciate your insight. thank you so much. by the way, another story, "the new york times," about how vicious things are getting, recently published his bizarre, idiotic video about the trump-putin meeting that some are calling grows and even homophobic. "new york times" best selling author and fox news contributor raymond arroyo is here with reaction. raymond, what is this all about? >> this is part of a series that "the new york times" opinion page has mounted. they have three installments. it's called "trump bites." this particular video -- again, this is all about narrative, okay, this is what the pop culture and people who aren't focused on policy take away. this one is called "trump and putin: a love story." i'll redo the description. "the not so secret admiration for vladimir putin plays out in a teenagers bedroom where the fantasies of this forbidden romance come to life." watch this. >> do you have a relationship with lettering putin? >> i do have a relationship with him. a

the style honed over many years contributed to outlets like the new york times, the new york times book review comments evident in his new book as well. he said the ideal form is a cocktail party chat which very much shows in his writing and why does the world exist. and stop me if you've heard this philosophy of jokes. so when you have a great guy to invite you inside, throughout the 20 years worth of essays collected in the book -- whether that string theory, god in issues with god or the nature of time itself. please join me in the honor of welcoming jim to politics and prose. [applause] >> thank you for that generous introduction. i'm happy to be here and delighted to see a nice turnout. there any string theorists in the audience? >> good. there were a couple at the harvard bookstore and there are very formidable in defending string theory against my criticism. the book i try to canvass what i consider to be the most profound and most beautiful ideas over the last two centuries. in science, higher mathematics, logic and philosophy. my post mentioned some of all men all mention a cou

the new york times has a story that has sent a shiver down my spine, talking about a i and lots of cameras investing two keep track of who is doing what. the new york times is saying it is investing a fortunate in cameras, artificial intelligence, in order to keep track of its population. in the uk we have tons of cameras. in fact, in london, or a uk we have tons of cameras. in fact, in london, ora more uk we have tons of cameras. in fact, in london, or a more cameras per square metre than anywhere else on earth, i think. square metre than anywhere else on earth, ithink. facial square metre than anywhere else on earth, i think. facial recognition has been useful to the authorities here in terms of trying to combat terror attack so this is not unusual but the suggestion in the new york times is the reason is wide. a police officer in china wearing facial recognition glasses and the use of them to spot a heron smuggler. china will say they are big country. football is coming home! england faces croatia later, in moscow. it is talking about gareth southgate and who he has peaked, the likely l

>> can i react to "the new york times" story? what's newsworthy about it as one of two things. ther trump has no faith whatsoever in the intelligence community because if he does, just today, there is another "new york times" story saying, i hold putin responsible just like people hold responsible for what goes on here. if you were told two weeks before the indictment that putin personally and directly was overseeing the subversion of the u.s. democracy, that is not, oh, he runs a country" -- that is very specific. trump still can't acknowledge that. that is troublesome. >> laura: that is what he said tonight on the "cbs news." that is what he said tonight. putin is responsible. he's in charge of the country. >> that is different. to say he is responsible because he's in charge of the country is like saying, the manager is responsible -- >> laura: this is where karl rove, with your experience in the bush administration, they are playing -- i hate the multilevel chests reference -- but he does have other concerns other than just what is happening in the mueller investigation, wit

president trump had a meeting with the publisher of "the new york times." the president revealed the meeting yesterday from his golf club in new jersey. he spent much time talking about fake news out by the media and that fake news has morphed into enemy of the people. he said he asked the meeting remain off the record. after the president tweeted about it, the notes had to be released. he said i told him the phrase fake news is untrue and harmful, i'm more concerned of labeling the journalists is enemy of the people. i worry this is continuing to a rise of threats to journalists. >>> the president is warning to shutdown the government if congress fails to act on the border wall. and change the nation's immigration laws. mr. trump tweeting to quote, would be willing to shutdown government if the democrats do not give us the votes for border security which includes the wall. must get rid of lottery, catch and release and finally go to system of immigration based on merit. we need great people coming into the country. the president repeatedly promised mexico w

a british official telling "the new york times" that investigators now believe the march 4th attack on sergei skripal and his daughter, yulia, was most likely carried out by current or former russian agents. i want to bring in "new york times" senior writer and terrorism correspondent eric schmidt who helped co-write this story in "the new york times." eric, tell us what clues or evidence led british investigators to now believe this russian military intelligence agency, the gru, may have been involved in the nerve agent attack in the uk. >> well, certainly, wolf, the poisonings of two other individuals in salisbury in just the last couple of weeks, where a woman died of the poisonings, has given more evidence to investigators, british investigators, who have shared their findings with american officials as well. so three different officials have told us that they now have relatively high confidence that the gru, the intelligence agency -- military intelligence agency that you mentioned, is most likely responsible for the poisonings of skripal and his daughter back in march. they have

trump expressed pride in popularizing the phrase "fake news" when he met with the "new york times" and said "other countries had begun banning it." so the publisher of the "new york times" responded that those countries were dictatorships that that they were not banning fake news but rather independent scrutiny of their actions. it seems, though, the meeting with the "new york times" nothing to cause mr. trump to back down. sorry. we lost mr. gray -- >> yeah. >> thank you so much for joining us. we lost you there for a moment. can you hear me now? >> i can. sorry. you're back. >> oh, yes. so sorry about that. my point was as we have to go here, though, that this president just will not back down no matter how the media tries to respond to his continuous attacks. >> no. he will not back down in the war on the media because he senses he's going to win it. >> well, thank you so much. we'll wait and see about that, won't we? those of us in the media. freddie gray, thank you, from "the spectator." thanks for joining us. >> we just keep reporting the news. >> yep. that's all we can do. >>> t

mine is the "new york times" followed by the bbc and then npr. rachel, do you remember what you answered sfl i think i said "the new york times" as well, wired, and npr. >> ha did you say? >> i said "the new york times," "washington post" and npr. >> so "new york times" on the top for all of us. npr chosen third and something in the middle. actually both of you had the same, it's interesting. i think that's true, that there is some sort of innate understanding of what's right and what's not. on thanh is with nezle, it's a great way to read the news. >> good to be back. >> thanks for being with us this morning. we'll be back in a minute. >>> welcome back to press here. when i was a kid the computer of choice was an apple 2 or a trs-80 and they did nothing without you telling them what do. computers were to be programmed. now that's changed, obviously. most people these days use prepackaged software but have no idea how the computer works. in a way, we kind of lost something there. your phone may be a marvelous device but you never tell it what do.

the time the lead lawyer on the russia investigation. he has since stepped down but continues to represent the president. from "the new york times," the law legal strategy surrounding the new mueller interview. the president will only agree to an interview with robert mueller if the special counsel has evidence that the president committed a crime. joining me now, michael schmidt, and barbara mcquaid. and danny cevallos. what are the circumstances under which the president of the united states would agree to an interview with the special counsel and his team? what do we know now from your latest conversations with rudy giuliani who now heads up the president's legal team? >> what rudy is saying is that mueller needs to come forward with evidence that the president committed a crime and that there is a reason that a counterintelligence investigation, an investigation of how russia meddled in the election, can now be one about obstruction. and if mueller can prove it to the president's lawyers, then they can move forward with an interview. the question really here is why is rudy saying this. negotiations have been going on f

been the president writing letters, or writing letters to the editor, publishing in the "new york post," "the new york times," the "washington post," i think a lot of people would have saider, this is a form of intimidation, form of obstruction of justice. just because it's done on some modern technology, modern social media, does not mean he's not still trying to attempt the same outcome. i think it is relevant, and i think what we should be looking at is what is the intent of this president. his attempt is obstruction of justice. that is a worthwhile reason why mueller should be vegds. >> you think your republican colleagues in the house of representatives would lie that argument? >> nop but they won't buy any argument at all. they'll never stand up to this president. they will look away and make excuses for this president up until the last minute. so you really can't depend on republicans in congress that ought to be any type of legitimate validating of -- what we've decided is valid versus not valid. >> what is potentially very significant and a serious headache, political headache, legal headache is th

new york. >>> hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. "the new york times" today out with a new bombshell report about the president's long-time fix y fixer and former personal attorney michael cohen. the "times" reveals for the very first time that cohen secretly recorded at least one conversation with donald trump and that the fbi now has its hands on it. in the recording, donald trump and michael cohen discuss hush money payments to karen mcdougal. she's a former playboy model who had an alleged affair with trump. the fbi seized the recording of trump and cohen in a raid on cohen's home and offices earlier this year that donald trump

the president tries to sound tougher on putin, "the new york times" reports before the inauguration, trump was shown putin ordered the 2016 attack. details out of streaming tv series on the russian woman, the gun enthusiasts, she's in jail tonight accused of being a russian mole and allegedly using sex to gain access. >>> the former u.s. am ambassador to russia as "the 11th hour" gets underway on a wednesday night. >>> good evening from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. day 445 of this at minute station. we are up to our necks in russians and russian influence in this country right now. it was another one of those days and tonight, it just got more serious with a bold story in the past hour from "the new york times" which if true, makes suspect everything the president has said about the russians since being president. the times reporting it this way, quote, two weeks before his inauguration, donald j. trump was shown highly classified intelligence indicaing vladimir p. putin of russia ordered complex to sway the election and a top secret source close to mr. putin who decid

harris: we know all about that with paul manafort. >> judge napolitano: yes, that is what "the new york timesng and what we are talking about here. >> dagen: let me just get the rudy giuliani quote in here, he did speak to "the new york times" "if you are going to obstruct justice, you do it quietly and secretly, not in public." he was referring to typical obstruction cases for prosecutors focusing on measures taken in private like bribery, destroying evidence, , and thins like that, but that is the initial quote from rudy giulian giuliani. >> lisa: is still thing, i firmly believe what judge ellison said. >> judge napolitano: the trial judge in the paul manafort case. >> lisa: that either gunning for persecution here. he laid out the case for firing james comey, and then appointed a special counsel to look at things like obstruction of justice. you look at james comey's -- >> harris: but in the paul manafort case, wasn't there a ton of evidence? >> lisa: but not in relation to russia in their appearance. but having nothing to do with russian interference, james comey's own memos demonstrate

the new york times reporters have confirmed that which is unusual for them to do that. aberman and mike schmidt. the court allows us to respond without waiving any privilege. if we have to defend him, that's what we have to do. it's been very helpful because now we've been able to put out the whole transcript which contradicts several things that lenny davis says but he's almost as bad as cohen. he said he didn't intend to deceive when he did these recordings. what is it to take a phone, put it in a tour and say you're recording them. these are lies that can be contradicted by tape recordings. >>chris: i want to ask you something that may seem off-topic but it will become of relevance. about brett kavanaugh, he said the case that ordered nixon to turn over the tate, maybe nixon versus u.s. case was wrongly decided. in a 2009 article, he wrote this, like civil suits, criminal investigations take the president to focus away from his or her responsibilities to the people. a president concerned about an ongoing criminal investigation is almost inevitably going to do a worse

the "new york times" say the fbi got it when they raided michael cohn's office. >> karen mcdougal, ther playmate, these were allegedly paid to cover up an affair he had with her while married to first lady, melania trump. >> one of the writers who has broken the story from the "new york times" joins us on the phone. >> i'm going to start. what? >> right. right. lordy, there are tapes. so it was important to remember about mcdougal's case is she came forward to the "national inquirer" in the final months of the campaign, and said i had this consensual affair with donald trump, and i want to tell istory. they paid her but then never ran the story. it's what's known in the tabloid world as capture as kill. it effectively kept the story from coming out during the campaign. when "the wall street journal" broke this story days before election day, the existence of the alleged affair, the trump campaign denied everything. we don't know anything about the payment. affair never happened. well it turns out that in a conversation taped during the campaign, michael cohn and donald trump discussed

the president is saying.[laughter] >>chris: interesting times. up next, our "power player of the week". >> if you ever read the new york times or national geographic or "time magazine", chances are you have seen her work. as we mentioned last december, she takes riveting photographs that bring the savagery of the front minds into your home. here's our "power player of the week". >> i never consider myself brave, just committed to the story and that takes me to places that are dangerous. >>chris: lindsay is one of the great photojournalist of the last two decades. just to send to where she's work since 9/11. >> iraq, afghanistan, south sudan, somalia. >>chris: why? >> there are great injustices that go on in war zones and its fundamental for someone to document that. >>chris: door for 2004. >> people screaming for their lives. we witness villages burned to the ground. >>chris: u.s. troops in afghanistan's - - in 2007. >> i woke up put on my night vision much of the picture and went back to sleep. >>chris: with the taliban in 2009, a story that won the pulitzer prize. >> if they invite you to their home, they will not kill you. they will protect you

the new york times reports that on the recording mr trump and mr cohen discuss paying karen mcdougal. says she had a ten—month affair with donald trump in 2006. the tape was reportedly made two months before the election. for more on this, our correspondent chris buckler joins me from washington. tell us exactly what is being alleged here. yes, the allegations ofan affair alleged here. yes, the allegations of an affair date back a decade before donald trump ran for president here in the united states. however, the question is really about the timing of payments to karen mcdougal, who is a former playboy model, and that apparently took place in 2016, just before the presidential election took place. now, the payments were made either national inquirer newspaper here in america. they bought her story, effectively, so she told them about the allegations of the affair with donald trump. however, they never published it. and the national enquirer newspaper is owned by a personal friend of donald trump. enquirer newspaper is owned by a personalfriend of donald trump. it has led some here to

this is coming out in "the new york times." first this explosive report from "the wall street journal." here's what they have. a major financial player in trump's private life has just been subpoenaed in another investigation. this is a man by the name of allen weisselberg. weisselberg is considered to be the gatekeeper to trump's personal finances. he is being asked now to testify in the michael cohen case. the criminal investigation. now cohen, the president's former personal attorney, just released one of the secretly released conversations with the president to cnn where we hear him mention by name allen weisselberg about the payment when they're having that conversation about the former playboy model. here is a clip. listen for his name. >> i need to open up a company for the transfer of all of that info regarding our friend david so that -- i'm going to do that right away. >> i've spoken to allen weisselberg about how to set the whole thing up with funding. yes. all the stuff. because you never know where that company -- w

. >> again, of course, timing here is really key, because from the "new york times" reporting that michael cohen secretly recorded the conversation with president trump two months before the election, and "the wall street journal" reveals the payment before the election and at that time hope hicks for the campaign said we have no knowledge of any of this. a lot more breaking news coming with this. we're going to have much more on this breaking news and inside politics with john king right now. >>> welcome back to inside politics, i'm john king, a very big breaking news friday. just moments ago, the "new york times" posting a blockbuster report, michael cohen, the president's long time personal attorney and fixer, secretly taped then candidate donald trump in september 2016, in talking about paying hush money to a playboy model who claims she had an affair with trump. the fbi seized this tape in a raid on michael cohen's office earlier this year. this is a remarkable story, give us the biggest egest elements the biggest questions now for the president. >> reporter: the biggest question righ

sulzberger, publisher of "the new york times." president trump continuing, quote, spent much time talking about the vast amounts of fake news being put out by the media and how that fake news has morphed into the phrase enemy of

the summer. six days later, don junior met with russian lawyer natalia veselnitskaya at trump tower. joining him, trump's campaign chairman at the time, paul manafort, and his son-in-law, jared kushner. when "the new york times" broke the story last year about the secret meeting, don junior didn't initially disclose the intended purpose of the meeting. instead, he said the purpose was to discuss the adoption of