the nih says this was an unexpected result, not something the researchers sat out to do. l and other critics insist this amounts to gain of function research where you genetically enhance an organism. nih officials say it's not. either way, it raises questions about activities at the lab. >> the real question in my mind is not whether it was or wasn't gain of function. it's what was it. what was funded, what was happening in the wuhan lab. that's what we need to get to the bottom of. >> the nih issued a statement explaining the naturally occurring bat coronaviruses studied under the nih grant are genetically far distant from sars covid 2 and could not have caused a pandemic. any claims to the contrary and false. and the research that is being investigated right now is unrelated to covid-19, the chinese government has been so uncooperative with investigators trying to trace the origins of the covid-19 pandemic that federal researchers say they cannot rule out the possibility that the pandemic started as a lab leak until the chinese demonstrate more transparency. martha? >>

the national, the nih knew this all along. dr. mittee at best and lied to the committee at worst by saying tax dollars were never used for gain of function knowledge coming in of function research. now they are trying to change the definition of gain-of-function research but in layman's term, they were genetically modifying, making it worse, that violates the terms of the tax grants that eco-health alliance gods. this is bad, this is more wrongdoing from the biden administration it it's very disappointing the intelligence committee spent 90 days looking into the origination of covid-19 and they said, we can't find anything. >> laura: what are we getting for our intel dollars except american citizens being targeted ourselves? we have to start asking this question. >> we do and we continue to ask the question. jim jordan has been the champion on questioning the intelligence community about the effectiveness. >> laura: hypersonic missiles, now this? come on, i am billions of dollars down a rat hole and the american people are the ones

laura: thank you for joining me now is the congressman who forced the nih to facet. f the house it was a committee james comeare. i'm not shocked because i knew this all along because smart people knew what was going on in that wuhan lab but how is this not the biggest story, one of the top 3 stories at least in america tonight? >> it should be. this proves all along this virus was started in wuhan lab in this proves all along that american tax dollars were used to fund gain of function research in the wuhan lab, the nih new this all along, doctor fauci misled the committee at best and lied to the committee at worst by saying tax dollars were never used for gain of function research. they are trying to change the definition of gain of functions research but in layman's terms they were taking this virus and making it worse, genetically modifying it, taking the deadly virus and making it worse and that violates the terms of the tax dollars for the grant that eco-health alliance got. this is more wrongdoing from the biden administration and we are going to keep on them.

the tracking, monitoring, the reporting, the nih lost control over this, they are lying. ny is lying. if but you hinted also, this is what happens when the media does not hold any of these folks accountable, nih, fauci who said anything differently. bill mark, i don't know if you saw this, but mel martin actually leave it or not we are using him as an example, but he pointed out something important. he said "the new york times" found that if you ask people where did they odds of somebody going to the hospital if they get covid. 40% of democrats said 50% or more is likely to go to the hospital if you get covid. it means these people are being fed through federal media a bunch of garbage. nobody is hold the nih accountable, holding fauci -- nobody's holding the media account to be either. that's all we get to this point. in spain jason, we have fauci's emails, the documents from the intercept they made public, now we have this new evidence. in your mind, is the case overwhelming and in convertible that dr. fauci knew more about the origins of the virus and gain of function a

taxpayer dollars that the nih was unaware of and is just now finding out. stion of what other risky experiments could be going on with taxpayer funding that you don't know about. does that concern you? >> it does. i think in this instance, the particular grantee, which is eco health alliance, failed to follow the terms of their grant award that they should have followed, and they're in some trouble as a result of that. we ask all of our grantees to give us regular progress reports telling us the details of what they're doing, and of course they then publish their results. i don't think there is indication that there is a broad range of this kind of difficulty going on. but this particular grantee is in trouble for not having been completely open and transparent about the work they were doing, and we are very much following up on that, and i guarantee you that will not be ignored. >> and i know you have asked for them to share more documents which i believe the deadline is tomorrow. but isn't this also an oversight failure of the nih? because the nih is respo

the nih lost control over this. they are lying -- you get it too. happens when the media doesn't hold any of these folks accountable and anybody who says this differently is labeled as a kook. bill maher, can't believe we're using him as an example, he pointed out something important that he said "the new york times" found that when you ask people what are the odds of someone going to the hospital if they get covid, and 40% of democrats said 50% or more is likely to go to the hospital if you get covid, which means that these people are being fed through liberal media a bunch of garbage, and no one has holding the nih accountable, nobody is holding the media accountable. that's how we get to this point. >> jason, we have fauci's emails, we have this new evidence. in your mind, is this case overwhelming, is it incontrovertible that dr. fauci knew a lot more about theth origins of this virus and gain of function and where the money came from, and he was being deceptive to being kind and rand paul. >> senator paul was clearly right. dr. felt she should

with the nih providing documents to the house of representatives showing that the nih did fund gain of sending this letter to the white house, very concerned about this. joining me right now, the ranking member of the house intel committee, congressman thune yes, sir, and former acting director of intelligence, ric grenell. gentlemen, good to see you. congressman nuÑes, you were on this program back in may telling us, in fact, they did send this money. why is it that anthony fauci can go under oath and say otherwise? >> maria, i don't think that he can, and he should be prosecuted here. if he was notified, our committee did a year-long investigation. we talked about it back this may, we put out an official report. so he was clearly on notice then. after that he went where? he went to the united states senate, and not once but, i believe, twice under questioning by senator rand paul he said it didn't happen, and that's simply not true. and i don't think his e-mails, when you go back and look at the time, show that he wouldn't though something about this either. so he's long been on noti

the nih letter says it did? >> absolutely are. aid funding and nih funding. what is going on here that he is speaking so definitely like that? >> he is very worried years ago he actually endorsed gain of function research. it was important to do. he got his hand in the cookie jar. the nih clearly knew that research, this is what is so significant about this letter. this letter clearly says that the wuhan institute of virology did do gain of function research. they tried to get around it saying well the particular virus that we funded, you know, wasn't coronavirus 2, but it was another virus could easily have become more dangerous than coronavirus. elizabeth: putting spike proteins and frankenstein research, putting spike protein in another bat virus. that is gain of function. that is why people are scared about the vaccine t all traces back to this. we know dr. fauci has served the country. he worked on the aids crisis. a documentary says he was trump advertised by that, we get it. why the stonewalling? why constantly frustrating t

i think the public would understand that. and it would not appear that nihng information. but that becomes the effect of lack of clarity at the outset. so i think in the end, tony fauci was being truthful, not artful in his famitestimony. >> let's talk about the moderna announcement. they just released their own data on kids 6 to 11 saying it produced a robust immune response. that has not been peer reviewed yet, we should note that, but it seems like promising initial information. >> we know that pfizer has a vaccine that's very likely to be signed off this week by the fda committee. next week by the cdc committee. and maybe the week after that, in your pediatrician's office. and the moderna vaccine is very similar technology to the pfizer vaccine. so it's interesting. that vaccine has -- using basically half the dose. and half the dose given in two shots to kids produces about 1 1/2 times the neutralizing antibodies that kids get. so a very potent vaccine. but again, the proof is in the details. >> the moderna dose is 50 micrograms for kids. the pfizer dos

deny. >> with all due respect you are entirely and completely incorrect that the nih has not ever andnd gain-of-function research in the wuhan institute. >> gain-of-function research was going on in that lab and nih funded its, it meets your definition and you are obfuscating the truth. >> you are implying that what we did was responsible for the deaths of individuals, i totally resent that. if anybody is lying here, it is you. >> will: no, dr. fauci, it appears it is you, you are the liar strips because now we have solid proof. in a newly released letter, the nih admits that it funded gain-of-function research in wuhan claiming it wasn't transparent about the work taking place. they shifted the blame to eco-health alliance. rand paul was right, dr. fauci was lying. kentucky senator rand paul joined me now. thanks for jumping on the show with us tonight, do you feel vindicated? >> yeah, but it's not about me, it's ultimately about the safety of the country and the world. 5 million people died from a virus that came out of a lab, wouldn't we want to know, wouldn't we want to prevent th

and when he gave his answers to senator paul and the committee, did he arty know what nih reported? o, he was not being square with the american people and was not being honest with senator paul in his response. >> shannon: i think -- thanks always for your time. >> thank you. >> shannon: breaking tonight. a fatal accident on the set of alec baldwin's movie rust. after the actor reportedly discharge a prop gun that killed one of the crew members and injured another. investigators say the prop siren was being used during filming at a ranch in the outskirts of new mexico when he was discharged hitting both the director and director of photography. the latter was airlifted to the university of new mexico hospital where she was pronounced dead. no charges have been filed. detectives are continuing to interview witnesses to the incident. in breaking tonight, brian laundrie is dead. the fbi using dental records to confirm that the human remains found in a florida wilderness reserves are those of the only person of interest in the murder of gabby petito. those remains in some of laundrie's

claims from the group, fauci's nih funded a whopping three hunted $75,800o "drug beagles, lock their heads in mesh cages filled with hungry sand flies so the insects could eat them alive." okay? true, that would be sick repulsive, disgusting, and just one of the many failures that fauci needs to be heldgu accountable for. we reached out to the nih for comment, they responded in a statement a part that said the goal of the research wasem to determine if the experimental vaccine prevented dogsif from becoming infected natural setting. it's an important research goal in this case, the researchers are supported through multiple different funding sources. the nia grant ended in the july of 2021. they also added viral images of caged beagles in an academic manuscript were not part of a federally funded experiments. a we are continuing to follow the story and remember, fauci is still under fire for appearing to lie about whether they funded gain-of-function research including to congress, because look at this. the group picot health alliance which received u.s. ta

dan: >> do you still support funding of the nih funding of the lab wuhan?b, the nih has not and has never funded gain of function research. i will repeat, the nih and iad categorically has not funded gain of function research again, we have not done gain of function research, i don't know how many times i can say it. we did not fund gain of function research. dan: what's. turns out the fbi had to come up that they kind of screwed up. when is psaki going to resign? enough of the dark and gloomy stuff. i'm getting hungry, i don't know about you i am a huge believer, nothing like no nutritional nutritional value but i'm not really into sugar. love a good burger, a fan of five guys and whataburger but ideology can change my mind and it's stories like this that get me thinking san francisco with the covid vaccine, fantastic. finally, we love audience interaction, this is for you so we thought it would be a good idea to proud source, facebook is looking to repent. we took a poll to see what facebook should change its name to. number one recommendation, honorable

that was just antibody data from the nih. but, the study today really nailed it, sweetest study that looked at -- swedish study that looked at johnson & johnson dna for astrazeneca, and followed by mrna vaccine in a clinically protected you more. so, yes, i do think as a clinician i will make recommendation after johnson & johnson for an mrna vaccine, and it will make the second shot of johnson & johnson not as appealing. >> general colin powell's passing yesterday had vaccine hesitant folks again asking, isn't that proof that the vaccine doesn't work. before you answer, i should point out that his wife was also fully vaccinated, was infected with covid, vet has been treated and has been sent home. can you analyze their situations and tell us what you think they actually show about vaccine effectiveness? >> the vaccines work really well. i am sorry for his passing, but what happened here is that he was being treated for multiple myeloma, and then have this chronic immunocompromised position as a result. where the vaccines work

where is the head of the nih? tion apparently was very interested in having janet wilcock, who is the current acting commissioner to be the permanent commission ers commissioner of the fda but current senators are blocking her. i think it's key that position be filled, and i think it's key that the nih position be filled expeditiously. who would have thought a year ago that something as apolitical as the director of the national institutes of health, really the preeminent research organization in the world, would be so politicized and so subject to, you know, the craziness in the united states senate, but here we are. and i think anything is possible. >> yeah. to the vaccines now. johnson & johnson asking the fda to authorize a booster shot for their covid vaccine, but the company is leaving it up to the fda and the cdc to decide who should get them and when. who do you think should get that shot? >> i you know, it's unclear. there are sort of two sets of data as it pertains to the j&j vaccine. one data suggested t

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fauci when a letter from the deputy director of at the nih wrote to the oversight committee saying, essentiallyinstitute of virology under the ecohealth grant which received money from the nih despite multiple times testifying by dr. a few under oath saying that -- dr. fauci saying that the nih did not fund any form of gain of function research, so, uh-oh. >> remember, we saw rand paul questioning him on that over and over again, and he denied it, but turns out it's true, i guess. david? >> well, again, they're going to say it was directly or indirectly they didn't know about it, but they should have said maybe. >> yes, yes. david, let's do it quick, david. >> what can i say. all right. so hi if flop of the week -- my flop of the week, the state department's international pronoun day celebration. the official twitter account, and i quote: today on international pronouns days, we share why many people use pronounce on their mail and social media platform. for those who would like to have a little english language fun, there's more than a hundred official pronouns, and until now, none of them wer

it imimis just the tip of the iceberg of what is going on at nih. gs and subject them to experiments tha only freddy krueger could think of. the last time i was on i said thath the nih director needs to go at unfortunate since then he hasn't announced his resignation . now the esother nih directors n to go. >> my sense from a reading abou this is that many of these torture sessions, they are not ethan experiments. they can't help themselves. it is driven by findings of the spun he available so picks from a takes plays but that doesn't help science or any people. it is just they need to spend the money. >> that's what we know. they spent about 19 billion hav a difference here on animal experiments, even though we kno that thesehe experiments are no going to find cures and treatments for human beings. if you look at the other laboratoriesan, inside the nih laboratory in maryland, as we exposed last year, brain damage monkeys and then try to frighte them and petty cages with plastic snakes and spiders. thises kind of experimentation goes on all the time

congressman, based on the nih letter, is it clear to say that u.s. loud for something to be created at this lab that leaked out and caused the pandemic? >> what we clearly have, david, is the lab receiving taxpayer funds used in this lab where this suspicious activity was happening and from which there's been allegations that the virus may have come. if you go on the intelligence committee key republican website you will see a report of all things known publicly as to how this lab played a role perhaps in this pandemic i dropped a bill early this year on the issue of nih funding and this is an issue where we have grantees who were receiving money and a complete lack of nih providing oversight or reporting. this would require that, require transparency and oversight. certainly, this is not an area where taxpayers would expect that their funds would go. david: i have to ask a personal question about what happened between dr. fauci and rand paul, does dr. fauci owe senator paul on apology for calling him a liar about something which the nih seems to say

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the nih director who has been there for three decades, francis collins, is going to announce he will be leaving the agency. will fauci be next? francis collins is an subject to many foia requests and some of not been responded to. will they ever be? we will keep you up to date. gutfeld is next. >> to protect me and millions like me. >> tuesday october 5th. activists deploy more aggressive tactics against moderate democrats standing in the way of president biden's spending plan but the commander-in-chief says this is part of being a politician. >> at the same time president biden

the nih admitting to funding gain-of-function research. e and we'll reflect on that conversation from the past summer. a month's worth of rain in 24 hours. a storm that is drenching the northeast coming up from our brand-new fox weather studio. >> bill: major milestone for tesla, 1 trillion yesterday. tesla joining apple, amazon, micro soft in the exclusive club. shares in the electric car company gaining momentum after hertz said they are adding 100,000 tesla cars. >> dana: given this news, does tesla still need subsidies? why would you? it's time to be done with that. are you fine with that? >> bill: i'm fine with that. >> dana: i love the journal's position on that for years. millions of people are batting down the hatches, a nor'easter slamming the region and new england with heavy rains and winds. some places may get a month's worth of rain in one day. kendall smith is live in fox square with more. high, kendall. >> how are you doing? we're live out here this morning. it is wet, it is soggy. the northeast has been getting pounded by ra

. >> we saw data from the nih on mix and match that antibody levels for mixing and matching were veryctually do quite well as well. any one of these vaccines can really be used to boost any one of the others. >> joining me now nbc news medical contributor. good to see you, my friend. lots of questions. millions more people are eligible for boosters. so how do you decide which one to get? is it better to get a different vaccine? and where do you go to either get it or get the information you need? >> alex, i think what i'd like to do is divide it into what the nih study told us and what we still don't know. the nih study was simply what we call an immunogenicitiy study which means they took all these different combinations of primary vaccines and then boost it with all three of the vaccines. and what we found was is that if you mixed and matched, you got the same or better antibody response at two weeks. what we don't know, however, and this is the key thing, is whether or not those higher antibodies measured at two weeks actually translates into better protection, better effectiveness

nih need new vision, new leadership on a regular basis. having served more than 12 years outstrips by a substantial margin, the usual shelf life of an nih directorven though you might say the timing is not great for covid because we're still very much in the throws of that, nih is in a very stable, solid position as far as what we are doing with vaccines and therapeutics and diagnostics and i have a fantastic team of people that i've recruited and i think we will be able to continue that momentum, and i'm not quite gone yet. i am staying on until somewhat un unspecified date until the end of the year and i'm fully engaged in the meanwhile, and if you allow me to quote ecclesiastes. to every thing there is a season and a purpose under every heaven and it felt to me like this was the right time to step aside and ask the president to name someone else to lead this remarkable organization, and the largest supportive medical research in the world. >> you served as the director of nih for 12 years. when you look back, dr. collins, particularly at this last year and a half during this covid-19 pandemic, first of all, what are you most proud of and what

kennedy: so why has the nih been so iffy in terms of how it grants the gain of function research fundside? and seems like it's been an opaque process but it's been used to cover their findings people like francis collins and anthony fauci? >> scientists have a legitimate disagreement about the gain of function research but at this time, we need people blood and treasure was spent on the pandemic to be allowed in the room and have their own voice and whether it worthwhile. i have seen no benefit from gain of function research in respect to stopping the pandemic, none of the prior research was useful in stopping this. kennedy: you think anthony fauci is culpable and do you think he knows more than he's letting off? how is he still in charge if so? >> i'm a scientist so i will stick with the facts. he's been a strong component of gain of function research for over a decade. that's his scientific opinion, i disagree strongly with that but i think a lot of the things you've seen come out of the nih fall from that fundamental feeling or understanding he has of the benefit that i disagree wit

and it's time to bring in a new scientist to lead the nih into the future. now, dr.oned just personally how much dr. collins has meant to him. he described him as a very kind and considerate person. 'actually called him folksy. he plays the guitar. he rides a motorcycle. he is a man of many interests. i've enter you haved dr. collins many times over the years. and what comes through is not just his scientific brilliance but his humility. john. >> decency, every time you hear him, he's grateful. let's go to dr. leana wen, the former new york city health commissioner. dr. wen, you hear the humility. saying it's time for somebody else. happening in the middle of a pandemic at the time when other key jobs including when there's no director of the food and drug administration, the fda right now, that's a big challenge for the white house? >> it is, so i do want to add on to what elizabeth was saying in that dr. collins is a national treasure. he's led so many important scientific discoveries. the nih also funds a lot of academic research done in institutions around the co

of the fda and ultimately the cdc on boosters relate to a mixed and matched study conducted out of the nih shown preliminary data from the archive paper that came out six or seven days ago. the bottom line is that boosters work very well, increasing for tighter of neutralizing antibody. in this study, a nine grid study matching a vaccine product against three others in a boost increased titers anywhere from four to 20 fold and the boost increased 6.2 -- 76 fold. that's anybody's titers. let's talk about in more detail. this slide is a bit busy but if you look at the very top of the slide process at 26 cov2 .3, plus the original primary regiment. the mrna, the boost of that regiment as you can see brings the tighter up 76 fold. if you go down to the next level and look at j&j 2600 boost itself, it brings it up 4.2 fold and across the nine-point grid, you can see as mentioned on the prior slide both homologous and arata work well from the laboratory view. now let's look at what the clinical effect of boosters are. shown on the slide, data from israel, namely the absolute right of confirmed i

tonight, according to politico, the nih director -- he's been there for over three decades -- francis collins, is going to announce he'll be leaving laura: big news according to politico. the nih director who has been there for three decades, francis collins, is going to announce he will be leaving the agency. will fauci be next? francis collins is an subject to many foia requests and some of not been responded to. will they ever be? we will keep you up to date. gutfeld is next. >> to protect me and millions like me. >> tuesday october 5th. activists deploy more aggressive tactics against moderate democrats standing in the way of president biden's spending plan but the commander-in-chief says this is part of being a politician. >> at the same time president biden justice department launching an effort to combat threats against school officials and teachers. some are calling it an attempt to bully concerned parents into silence. hunter biden's business back in the headlines. the latest question the white house is declining to answer. you are watching "fox and friends first" on tuesday

in particular, she was working at the nih, you know, in the very early days of the outbreak it's just come to be what saved the country and brought us out of the pandemic? but she was a dedicated scientist and we have to thank her for that. >> and she had been sidelined for years and years and then was paired with drew wiseman and together they were successful on the mrna. fascinating book. you know, the book is "the first shots." thank you brendan borrell for bringing us the story of some of the people really behind the scenes who deserve so much better for the success. and that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow the show online, on facebook, and on twitter @mitchellreports. chuck todd with "mtp daily" starts right now. >>> welcome to "meet the press daily." i'm chuck todd. if it's tuesday, it is a big deal today, we're watching something big here at "meet the press" and across all the platforms of msnbc a start of a year long project, county to county we call it to make you inside the most important often most misunderstood story in america, the amazing po

the nih funds $19 billion of experiments on animals each year. nimal experimentation and primates. going on for years. the fda is not required. it doesn't require animal testing for drugs. there are physiological differences in animals and human. a majority of a lot of these times the drugs fail. >> right, totally useless according to the fda. the more i learn about these kinds of experiments the worst it gets. i'm learning about monkeys being frightened to death. mice addicted to cocaine. part of this story, another half million dollars was used to take beagle puppies to allow them to be eaten alive from the neck up by insects. what the hell are we doing with our money here? it makes no sense. we thought we didn't trust fauci with gain of function research and the lies were told and look what we're learning about all of this? bring our country together to fire fauci. we have to work together to make this happen. elizabeth: listen to senator rand paul on what you just spoke about. watch this. >> well he should be fired. i mean the thing is -- >> d

in a response to a lawsuit filed by the intercept, the nih provided annual grant reports from eagle health alliance which the intercept says provided additional evidence of the u.s. nonprofit and its sub award the wuhan institute of virology, were engaged in risky experiments and the nih may not have been fully aware of these activities. the reports outline experiments in which researchers made clones of the virus responsible for the deadly 2012 outbreak of middle east respiratory syndrome or mers and give it properties of other viruses found in bats. similar reports earlier this year led to this test the exchange on capitol hill between senator rand paul and dr. anthony fauci. >> you take an animal virus and you increase and transmit ability to humans, you're saying that's not gain of function? >> that is correct, senator paul, you do not know what you're talking about. >> the virus outlined in the grant reports are unrelated to covid-19. nevertheless, top scientists including dr. fauci and his boss, nih director francis collins, say they cannot rule out the theory of the pandemic was the

you announced earlier this week that you're stepping down from your post at the nih by end of the yearyou leaving now? you're still quite young? >> well, thank you for saying so. i have been nih director for over 12 years. it's a scientific organization that i think benefits from new vision, new leadership. i have already, more than twice gone past the shelf life of a normal nih director who usually stays for five or six years. and i've loved it and loved the institution, and it's bittersweet about making this decision. but i think it's time for someone else to step in. and nih is in a very good place right now. amazing leaders in every one of our 27 institutes and centers. nih will be fine. a new person with new vision, that might be a really good thing. >> no question, nih has been doing god's work for a long time. what are you going to do after you retire, dr. collins? how are you going to spend your day? >> i'm going back to my research lab, which i have been running, but rather on a part-time basis for the last 28 years. now, the people in the lab are like, oh, my gosh, he's comin

i sent my blood to the nih as well as prestigious universities and private researchers looking for answersine injury has been reported toea pfizer nih and cdc and other research facilities messages and beatings have transpired and officials at the cdc

>> to agree we can get information out about the nih and government people who were involved in the process i think we will go to whatever lengths we can to suppress any of that being released and we have been able to put together very clear pictures of all the malfeasance of the company that developed alternate genetic tools for making the virus patented in 2013, how those tools were used by the wuhan institute of virology to create the virus, to make it infect human cells. this is all public information now so we now gain of function research was done. it is only a question of responsibility. >> us dollars going to groups that were involved with the wuhan lab. great to see you, thank you and shocking documents should more light on covid possible origins as we were just discussing. documents obtained reveal scientists from the us and the wuhan lab planned on creating an entirely new type of coronavirus by slicing together genetic sequences of viruses found in nature. that risky and reckless proposal was submitted by the eco-health alliance to the us defense department back in 28 the -- ene

the nih should have done it. study on the durability and duration of natural immunity. we're doing it because the nih hasn't done it. >> jon: the government with all its money and power is not doing the kind of study that you say needs to be done. >> with 38,000 public health officials between the agencies and a budget over 52 billion dollars, they have not been interested in looking at that question of durability. instead, they throw out there that it is an unknown and tell people that you still have to get vaccinated, so my team is doing the largest longitudinal study to date. we'll see what the results show. but they should be forth coming in the coming weeks. >> jon: i wish you well there. good for you for taking on that assignment. we are still seeing, though, a lot of covid deaths in this country and elsewhere. we have got the vaccines. why? >> no one should be dying of covid right now, jon, with rare exceptions. the therapeutics are so advanced. we have had such an intense focus on vaccination we've left ou

the nih says that false. backs that up, but senator rand paul steps up that criticism in the interview with axios on hbo. let's play that. >> absolutely. the thing is, is just for lack of judgment if nothing else. you know, he's probably never going to admit he lied. he's going to continue to dissemble and stretch the truth. >> i'll give you a chance to respond to senator paul, but also, what about the funding? >> i totally disagree with senator paul. he's totally incorrect. neither i nor the doctor from the nih lied. the frame work from which we have conduct about the research that we fund, the funding at the wuhan institute was to be able to determine what is out there in the environment in bat viruses in china, and the research was very strictly under what we call a framework of oversight of the type of research, and under those conditions which we have explained very, very clearly, does not constitute research of gain of function of concern. there are people who interpret it that way, but when you look at

nih buys thousands of dogs, they subject them to experiments that only freddy krueger could think up and all of this has to change. the said that nih director francis collins needs to go. unfortunately since then he has announced his resignation. now the rest of the nih director's need to go too. >> tucker: that is exactly right. my sense from reading a lot about this is many of these torture sessions, they are not even experiments, they are torturing animals who can't help themselves, this is driven by funding. there is money available to the experiment takes place but it doesn't necessarily help science or any people, it's just, they need to spend the money. >> that is what they know and they spent $19 billion every year on animal experiments even though we know these experiments are not going to find cures and treatments for human beings. if you look at the other laboratories, right inside nih's laboratory in maryland, elizabeth murray as we exposed last year, brain damage as monkeys and then tries to frighten them in tiny cages with plastic snakes and spiders. this kind of experimentation goes on all the time. if

as any additional boosters are authorized >> reporter: and now a new highly anticipated study by the nih shows mixing and matching vaccine boosters is safe and effective. the study added j&j covid vaccine recipients are better off getting pfizer or moderna boosters the fda advisory panel will review it on friday. meanwhile, the white house is also telling governors to start preparing to vaccinate children as young as five by early next month. in anticipation of clearance of pfizer's vaccine for that age group in the coming weeks. >> by vaccinating kids, fewer breakthrough cases, fewer cases in schools and less transmission at home. >> reporter: new data shows last week covid cases in the u.s. dropped 12% from the previous week hospitalizations down 11%. still -- >> despite the recent decrease in cases, most communities across the country are still experiencing substantial to high levels of community transmission and we're certainly not in a place where cases are in a control area. >> reporter: but there may be some light at the end of the tunnel starting in november, the biden administra

there is a mixing and matching study through the nih with results just made public, looking at the antibody levels with mixing and matching, and fortunately, with each combination, antibodies boosted quite well. somewhat higher antibody levels when windows was in mrna vaccine versus two johnson & johnson vaccines. this is only antibodies. there's more than one way to look, but antibodies are the easiest way. fire data has shown that johnson & johnson antibody levels are remarkably stable over time, whereas antibody levels after mrna vaccines, while they are hired to begin with, declined somewhat. unfortunately, there were no safety concerns in that smaller study. >> the wall street journal is reporting the fda is delaying and that decision on authorizing moderna's vaccine for children. the risk of a rare heart inflammatory addition, can you explain more about that and how concerned parents should be? >> there has been a small number of cases of heart muscle inflammation after mrna vaccinations muckalt myocarditis. mostly it is in young adult males, and essentially it results in a few days.

reiner, the white house says they will announce a nominee for the nih. quickly to fill any positions. i mean, it is pretty stunning, right? you are facing the biggest public health crisis in american history and the fda's gone nine months without a permanent leader. now, obviously, dr. collins, incredibly respected leader and face of the nih stepping aside. and we are just going to have nothing? >> yeah. you know, i -- you know, we hear a lot of different voices and, you know, in recent weeks, we -- we've seen what happens when the folks speaking to the country aren't speaking from the same page. we saw the president announce an ambitious booster plan to boost the entire country essentially all age groups starting at the end of september. and then, in multiple steps, finally, having to walk that back as both fda and cdc advisory committees balked on the original administration plan. and this all speaks to a lack of -- of coordination. you know, we have -- we've seen cdc struggle with -- with messaging. as you said, there is no formal fda -- permanent fda

. >> reporter: and now, a new highly anticipated study by the nih shows mixing and matching v vaccine boosters, and j&j are better off than the moderna boosters meanwhile, the white house is also telling governors to start preparing to vaccinate children as young as five in anticipation of the clearance for that age group in the coming weeks. >> by vaccinating fewer break through cases, fewer cases in school and less transition at home. >> new data shows last week covid cases dropped 12% from the previous week. still. >> despite the recent cases, most communities across the country are still experiencing substantial-to-high levels of community transmission and we're certainly fought in a place where cases are in a control area. >> reporter: but there may be some light at the end of the tunnel, starting in november, the biden administration will lift restrictions at the u.s. borders with canada and mexico for fully vaccinated travelers for 19 months, all non-essential travelers, including family members and tourists could not cross, hurting gloria's gift shop in detroit across from win