fauci, if the nih didn't inspect the wuhan institute of virology and nih didn't receive the lab books and data from china and the required reports from eco health alliance were not submitted and were late. how can you definitively say the nih did not fund the dangerous gain-of-function research? >> i go back to what i said, that the gain-of-function research by the operative and regulatory definition of p3c40 does not include at all the viruses that were studied under the -- >> how do you know that if there were no lab books or nothing from china? >> we know what var viruses they were studying. the nih funded research on these viruses. if someone else somewhere in china was doing something else -- >> that's the problem. nih didn't go there or get the reports needed. how would you know? >> you are not hearing what i'm saying. >> dr. morens your senior advisor for over 20 years said in a email i learned from your foia lady here now how to make emails disappear when i am foye added. before the search starts. i think we're all safe plot i deleted most of these earlier emails after sending

challenges of the future. nih is guided by the principle that our work is not finished ver scientific discoveries. our work is finished when all people l healthy lives. decades of sustained investment in fundameal scing results. how can the brain be reprogrammed to relieve anxiety or depression or craving for harmful substances? how can we replace a defective gene, thereby achieving durable remission of a debilitating disease? how do we enlist the specific functie to eliminate an advanced cancer? our laboratories are delivering answers to these questions and many more. but we still have work to do. families across the country are facing high rates of maternal ality, struggling to care for those suffering from alzheimer's disease, and losing loved ones to substance use the 2025 president's budget request sut needs, including the cancer moonshot, brain initiative women's health researching to promote mental healt overcome suffering from long covid, and to achieve longer and healthier lives for people with down syndr

research capabilities via the nih to commitment the idea program and a a fun it provides to mississippi and other states. how committed are you to ensuring that nih allocates at least 1% of nih funny to the idea program under your leadership? >> so, senator, i can a specific percent but i can tell you this is truly among my highest priorities to make sure that our research, which means our funding is delivered and distributed through communities such as those that are served by the ideath program. and even more so, not just the idea program alone. ideas capacity building, the research. g, what we're going to do now is bring the research grantsin in, the actual trials, the actual studies your psychic states like others have done a great job with this funny to develop the capacity. now we're going to put that capacity to work andnd that is going to be really exciting and think of great benefit. thank you. >> thank you, madam chair. >> next, i recognized the chair of our full committee chair murray. >> thank you very baldwin, and thank you to all of our witnesses. thank you for the great w

and your gmail march 29, 21 resa letter he sent to the nih. health press release regarding the grant tna. april 20, 2020 respondent with edits to eagle health press release regarding termination for it on october 25, 20 to 22 t you provided with advice regarding preparing a timeline regarding eagle health late five-year report submission. the board of directors to put in a word. did you ever advise him and how to respond to nih compliance actions yes or no? the word compliance? >> did you ever advise on how to respond to nih compliance >> yes, i did. told it multiple times for. >> lm asking did you ever edit a letter he sent to nih in response to a compliance action? >> i must have i don't remember but i saw such a letter i don't know what it was but apparently i helped him do it. >> is you ever at a press release that doctor daszak and response a compliance action? >> did you ever edit a press release that dr. daszak issued in response to a compliance action? >> i don't remember it. >> did you ever advocate on behalf of dr. daszak to eagle he

alk a little bit further about the type of size that you represent. nihscientists made $710 million in royalties from justugmakers hear a fact that's been hidden. let's talk about the fact about is right for scientists and doctors getting paid byican people, government taxpayer paychecks to getnd hundreds of millions of dollars and royalty fees? especially when the nih and these government agencies most powerful agencies in our country are medical suggestions and advice? and making up guidelines like 60 distancing and masking of ch you think that's appropriate? to the americand tory don't need your edge, to talk right here. >> mr. chairman, abjection. objection. >> i reclaim my time. i reclaim my time. >> the gentlelady will -- >> mr. chairman, terms of the rules of the court are we allowed t a doctor just because we don't want them to be a doctor? >> yes, because in my time that man does not deserve to have a matter-of-fact it should be revoked and he belongs in jail. >> suspend. >> the gentlelady to recognize the doctor as a doctor. >> thank you. >> tra

you have been offered money to leave the nih, right? many times your current salary have you been offered, about? >> so at the time that i was getting offered it, i was making 125, $200,000. and i would get offered a job that would get me five, six, seven million dollars a year. >> so why didn't you take it? >> because i really felt what i was doing was having an impact on what i cared about. which was the health of the country and indirectly the health of the world. to me that is priceless. >> that was dr. jon lapook reporting. this is "cbs news roundup." >>> roughly one in five children in the u.s. do not get enough to eat each day. but a wisconsin school is leading a school lunch revolution. cbs's roxana saberi shows us how they're growing, harvesting and serving their own fresh vegetables. >> reporter: at ashwabanan high school near green bay, wisconsin a fresh take on cafeteria food is flourishing. >> when you get a bite of the salad it's just amazing. >> i eat it every day at school. >> reporter: so fresh -- >> do you know where i

right now the nih is withholding records. rds more so than the cia or the fbi. they have completely withheld all records of the decision-making process on whether or not this research was dangerous or gain of function. so i hope trump will open the books. i hope trump will say you can look at everything and that my committee will be allowed to investigate this thoroughly because we've been hampered by the biden administration. if he does that, he'll go a long way towards getting some voters who are still skeptical about the lockdowns and about the trump administration's reaction to the virus who want to see more strength and opposition to the deep state within the public health administration. maria: so your expectations is, is that president trump could still win the election despite what has taken place? what is your reaction to the conviction and the guilty conviction? >> you know, a sad day in america. with and what i worry about is something even bigger than donald trump. i worry about a strife. i worry about war in the s

you push the natural origin theater forward. nih e-mailed you expressing this article based on the origins didn't suppress the lab leak. as you for pressure to suppress the lab leak theory. the very next day in response to the request for mike you cited the nature medicine article which discusses the lab leak theory from the lobby podium. did you cite this article because director asked you to suppress the lab leak. >> i did not do that in response to anybody suggesting it was in response to what someone asked the podium and i did not edit any paper you said about four or five things that were just not true. >> we have the e-mail to prove it. >> but you don't. recognized -- >> no we don't have it. i get tired of hearing the got more outback. we do not have it doctor so that is incorrect. we say a couple things because the watch one conspiracy theory after another get devoted the gentlemank who wanted to argue we should worry about testing and human let's talk about the biomedical research in the united states where 100 black men in

>> you went from the department of nih to us. most of the disciplinary action occurred after i left if i'm not mistaken. >> the suspension and departmental occurred after you left for further information once it was clear there was compliance issues while i was still there we were told stay out of it compliance will be handled by building the nih sector self compliance was that don't touch it, don't go near it we will take care of it. >> you brought this up one griddle policies are you aware of those? the mark i am. >> during previous hearings when asked if they support everyone of these actions in department. >> yes. >> i'm going to from early 2020 on october 20 : 2021 sent a letter to then ranking member mister, the said the coronavirus studied under equal help was of sars cov2 and covid-19 pandemic and testified similarly in january and today. and they have had results that we can't know. >> no. of everything we do. >> do they routinely publish every experiment? >> i'm sure there are people who don't publish every experiment t

you have been offered money to leave the nih, right, and join, say, pharma, right? >> right. million a year. >> reporter: why didn't you take it? >> i felt what i was doing was having an impact on what i cared about, which was the health of the country and indirectly the health of the world. and to me that is priceless. >> reporter: there have been ups. there have been downs. >> right. >> reporter: a lot of friction recently. any redwrets? >> no. no. i mean, when you say regrets, any regrets of what i did, my choices, no. could we have done things better on multiple points, inflection points along the way? of course, because we're not perfect. you try your best and you realize with humility that you're not perfect and you don't pretends to be perfect, but you go with what your best is and then if you make a mistake, you try to correct it. - [narrator] at kpix, we're taking weather to the next level. - we can show not just what's happening at ground level, but we can show what's happening in the upper levels of the atmosphere. let's lift the clouds off of ground level and talk

you push the natural origin for. nihuppress the lab leak. as you for more public pressure to suppress the lab leak theory. the very next day in response to the request for mike you cited the nature medicine article which discusses the lab leak theory from the lobby podium. did you cite this article because director asked you to suppress the lab leak. >> i did not do that in response to anybody suggesting, it was in response to what someone asked the podium and i did not edit any paper so you said about four or five things that were just not true. >> we have the e-mail to prove it. >> but you don't. >> is now recognized -- >> no we don't have it. i get tired of hearing the got more outback. we do not have it, doctor fauci. so that is incorrect. we say a couple things because the watch one conspiracy theory after another get devoted the gentleman from new york who wanted to argue we should worry about testing and human, let's talk about the biomedical research in the united where 100 black men in this country were injected

the individuals at the nih and naiad are a very committed group of individuals. this one instance that you point out isn't an outlier. >> from your senior advisor for 20 years. >> on the is senior advisor. we wrote scientific papers together. he didn't advise me as i mentioned. >> are your senior advisors not trusted staff? >> again, i told you that his title as senior advisor. but he is not an advisor on policy. >> that is very confusing to have someone's title and not have that to be there obligation. >> that is the fact. >> that supports what lee said. there needs to be more oversight and more accountability. mr. chairman, my time is expired. these points are very clear to all of us today in this hearing room. i yelled back. >> i now recognize mr. garcia -- he left. i now recognize miss green from georgia for 5 minutes of questions. >> thank you, mr. chairman. mr. fauci, you were quoted saying, it is easy to criticize, but they are really criticizing science, because i represent science. do you represent science, mr. fauci? >> i am a scientist that uses the sci

regulatory and operative definition of p3co the nih did not fund gain-of-function research at the wuhan institute of virology. >> despite my republican colleague's efforts it seems to me you have been consistent of this issue from the beginning of the pandemic and they know this. but they still use the terms gain of function loosely. and with respect to niaid staff assessment whether proposed research was or was not gain-of-function research, were you personally involved in those assessments or were those assessments made several levels removed from you and by subject matter experts? >> those assessments were done by highly experienced program people several levels below me. >> your public statements that nih did not fund gain-of-function research in wuhan reflected the assessment made by aiaid -- the p3c0 framework, is that correct? >> that's correct. >> thank you. thank you for clarifying that. in fact, all of that is abundantly clear in your 2021 senate testimony on this matter. when asked by the senate about gain-of-function resear

and the nih ha ts resisted realy requests from democrats and republicanys the democrat chair. my committee has cosigned this request. it's ovef myr year old and my individual requests are three years old. they have resisted.st they have obscured. and according to fauci'sed, thte assistant that he threw under the bus today, david moran's . o hi according to him, it was a targeted cover up and thatas they destroyed emails and evidence. but today, the most shocking e-g and surprising thing was anthony fauci threw faucs 20 year assistant under the bus and acted as if he'd hardly ever him.was ne he wasn't part of the inner circle. he never made decisions, had noy access to my office. all completely. wait a minute. of whaofficet david says. is this the same assistantall my that sent that that email? oh, my god. this is. this is gain of function, this different, different, different assistant. but david moran's worked for? 2 20 years for anthony fauci. he's called the special advise r to the head of the agency, which anthony fauci is. but todaad oagency wy, anthony d not run fast eno

you did not feel an obligation as a lead to scientists out of the nih to challenge that? > i have challenged the cdc -- >> publicly? >> excuse me? at. >> you challenge them on the axle distance of rule? soo and centreport really to be probably challenging city fauci was also pressed on comments he made that showed opposition to the vaccine was all ideological and the only way to go around it is by making it difficult on people like gardening their jobs. the sharpest attacks on the hundreds of millions of scientists at the national institute of health were paid during the pandemic and royalties from drug companies, and the data function research by the nih in wuhan that are most now believe led to the pandemic. fauci was on the defensive. >> in the accusation being circulated, i influences scientists to change their minds by driving them, and millions of dollars in grant money is actually false and is simply preposterous. >> trace: doctor fauci also denied he got rich during the pandemic is a he got zero royalties from drug companies. >> danuel spring to life are is in seat

you are watching the craziest presidency anyone has ever seen. are you sitting there and nih before this guy was here? i hope nothing moves us right into the center of this president's concerns. >> absolutely is how i felt because i was a little bit concerned right from the beginning because i had had the privilege of advising to a greater or lesser degree several presidents before him. there were five. president obama was the fifth president. he was the sixth, and joe biden was the seventh so i had experience with five presidents and when the first thing that i heard him say was something egregiously wrong. this is the largest crowd ever in the history of inaugurations and i'm watching it saying what is going on here? and then shawn spicer gets up and insists on the podium, almost angry with the american public. that is unquestionably larger. we have a problem. but the other thing that unnerves me a little bit. i had been involved with the media a long time. when he started aggressively being disrespectful to people in the press, people who i knew and worked with like john k

the country face down. he has faced down plenty of those in his 54 years at nih. what he's facing now is a political movement that cannot abide public health expertise at all, because it cannot abide expertise at all. because that competes with the truths that are spouted from the head of the leader. it is a movement that cannot abide authority and expertise from anyone other than their leader. and they answer any such competition for him with menace. and it's not romantic, and it may be revolutionary, but there's nothing sexy or dramatic or lovely about it. it is boring, it is violent, and it's about using force. and it's a war against the u.s. system of government. dr. anthony fauci is an accomplished and brave public servant. he should not have to be as brave as he is. but he is. and he joins us live here next. >>> joining us now for the interview is dr. anthony fauci. he was director of the national institute of allergy and infectious disease for 54 years. he has a new book out entitled on call, a doctor's journey in public service. hi. i'm gina. i was really u

and that is not the way things go with the nih. that is an outlier and not typical at all of the hundreds, if not thousands a very hard working committed people at the national institutes of health so i hope that the public and the audience doesn't realize or doesn't come to the conclusion if i might say that one single person who did something that is totally unacceptable and very inappropriate, that that is reflective of the thousands of people who are doing their job and are committed to the health of this country and so what should be done differently? >> i mean, because there is a concern that people see that and you say it's it was an outlier, but there's a concern that it does diminish trust and really in public health overall, obviously at a time when it's needed the money most well, i'm not sure what you can do. kaitlan. it is it is not appropriate and it's in fact illegal and a violation of regulations to mess with public records that are official business records. and that was done and that's unfortunate but that happens

>> you went from the department of nih to us. >> i don't believe so. ut most of the disciplinary action occurred after i left if i'm not mistaken. >> the suspension and departmental occurred after you left for further information once it was clear there was compliance issues while i was still there, we were told stay out of it compliance will be handled by building the nih sector self compliance was that don't touch it, don't go near it, we will take care of it. >> you brought this up one griddle policies are you aware of those? the mark i am. >> during previous hearings when asked if they support everyone of these actions in department. >> yes. >> i'm going to from early 2020 on october 20 : 2021 sent a letter to then ranking member mister, the said the coronavirus studied under equal help was not a source of sars cov2 and covid-19 pandemic and testified similarly in january and today. and they have had results that we can't know. >> no. of everything we do. >> do they routinely publish every experiment? >> i'm sure there are people who don't publish e

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that we would be back at square one here with this mentality that we saw at the nih? unless we're able to put in place the recommendations and suggestions and legal authorities that we're going to want to put in when we finish our report, then we will be in big trouble like you just said. >> laura: chairman, dr. mccullough, thank you both. when we come back, the havoc being reeked upon america, this time in new york city but undoubtedly coming to a town or city near you. florida senator marco rubio reacts, next. ♪ ♪ my back got injured very bad. i was off work for about a year. i heard about relief factor from my wife... i took it every day, three times a day, for three weeks. ...look at her and i said, "the pain is gone." and she said, "i'm glad it helped." i said, "no, you don't understand. it's gone." you, too, can feel better every day with relief factor, a daily supplement that fights pain naturally. call or go online now and get 35% off your first order. this is fasting... and this is fasting with prolon. fasting... fasting with prolon. the difference, prolon's

they had to wear mask but let's also talk a little bit further about the type of science that you represent nihcientists made $710 million in royalties from jug, drug makers. >> a fact that been hidden. >> let's talk about the fact about is it right for scientists and doctors getting paid by the american people government taxpayer paychecks to get patents where they're paid millions and hundreds of millions of dollars and royalty fees especially when the nih and these government agencies must powerful agencies he's in our country are recommending medical suggestions and advice and making up guidelines like six feet, distancing and masking of children. do you think that's appropriate to the american people deserve to be abused like that, mr. fauci, because you're not doctor, your mr. fauci and my few minutes no, i don't need your answer. i want to talk about this right here mr. chairman. >> objection objection. >> i reclaim my time. i reclaim my time. >> mr. rafah, lady wearing the border end mr. chairman of order, just in terms of the rules of decorum, are we allowed to deny that a doctor is a

fauci as it relates to the eagle health alliance which we now nih had funded. and then a lot of that money and it at the wu hanna lab to do work which we believe his gain of function research. there's lot of questions relating to that. we also want to know about his role, dr. fauci, and the actual approval of these grants. he is the person who signed off on these grants but yet on a lot of these questions we asked behind closed doors he claims he was not familiar part he did not recall or is not directly involved. on one hand is using it as a defense to say he was not involved. on the other hand he was a person who signed off on those. we are trying to reconcile that. arthel: your questioning his personal e-mail and cell phone records as he is been investigated for having done something underhanded to deliberately deceive the country? >> it seems clear a lot of the top officials at the nih recent personal e-mail to avoid freedom of information laws they did not want to have that transparency. they did not want to have the accountability particular in this how th

government, the nih, in funding even if they did it in a back door way and tried to launder it through's company, if there was an involvement of the u.s. government in the funding of gain of function research at the wuhan lab. there's no way that something that huge could have happened without his knowledge. and if he did that and if then he didn't alert everybody about the u.s. involvement because he kept saying it was a bat and it was this and it was natural so that it would get everyone off the trail of the lab that i think we probably funded, this research, then, you know, he is actually responsible for the millions of deaths that occurred. we should not be with doing these dangerous experiments. pete: you know how he gets around it, staffers say that a fauci claimed he did not recall information more than 10 100 times. by the way, smart of this committee to hold on to the transcripts a day or two before this hearing so he has to answer to it as a well. all right, a few additional can headlines starting with this: the illegal immigrant accused of killing laken riley pleading not gu

when i took my fellowship, i did multiple years of residency and i took a fellowship three years at the nih. >> you were only signing up three years. >> my goal as i described in the memoir was to get my training, a combined fellowship in infectious diseases and head back to new york city and open up an office somewhere. >> you had a huge offer back in new york city at the end of those three years. a huge offer. back at cornell medical center. they are making you the big dock. that would have involved also a private practice in association with that. where you just would have been, you could have been the richest doctor in new york. >> but i got. >> and you said no, let me do more government service. >> the reason that i did that, because when i went down there, i realized something that for me, it doesn't necessarily mean everyone needs to do that. getting involved in research in which you can solve a clinical problem, develop a therapeutic regimen that would not only help you save the individual patients that you are caring for, but that would have a multiplier effect that if you make a d

jackson: it was obvious to everyone that you and your organization, the nih, had a lot to lose if therican people were to discover that covid-19 was most likely leaked from a lab in wuhan, china, and that the alliance and peter actually funded this research. william: during supportive questioning from democrats, including the positive role louise -- including representative raul luis of california, fauci said nih did not fund that kind of risky research. instead, that the virus's was studying could not have been responsible for what became sars-cov-2. dr. fauci: those viruses were phylogenetically so far removed from sars-cov-2 that it is molecularly impossible for those viruses to have evolved or made into sars-cov-2. it is just a virological fact. william: two weeks ago under pressure from house republicans, the biden administration announced it would suspend grants to peter's organization, alleging it had failed to adequately monitor and report on its work in wuhan. later in the day, fauci did acknowledge, under repeated pressure from lawmakers like representative james comber of k

the country face now. he has faced down plenty of those in his 54 years at nih. when he is facing now is a political movement that cannot abide public health expertise at all it cannot abide expertise at all because that competes with the truths that are spouted from the head of the leader. it is a movement that cannot abide authority and expertise from anyone other than their leader. and the answer any such competition for him with menace. it is not romantic and it may be revolutionary but there is nothing sexy or dramatic or bubbly about it. it is boring, it is violent and it is about using force. it is a war against the u.s. system of government. dr. anthony fauci is an accomplished and brave public servant. he should not have to be as brave as he is. he is and he joins us live here, next. , next [ revving ] oh now we're torquin'! the dodge hornet r/t. the totally torqued-out crossover. known for following your dreams. known for keeping with tradition. known for discovering new places. no one wants to be known for cancer, but a treatment can be. keytruda is kno

. >> and you didn't feel an obligation as the lead scientist at the nih to challenge that? >> i've challenged the cdc multiple times. >> publicly, you challenged them on the six-foot distance rule? >> it is not appropriate to be challenging a sister organization. >> reporter: republicans pressing him on covid's origin. >> do you you agree that there was a push to down play the lab leak theory? >> not on my part. >> really? >> really. >> wow. >> wow. >> i think most of the country would find that amazing. >> look at the facts. i've kept an open mind throughout the entire process. >> reporter: fauci emotional, talking about the threats he and his family still face. >> it is very troublesome to me, it is much more troublesome, because they've involved my wife and my three daughters. >> reporter:time hasn't healed these political wounds. meanwhile, andrew cuomo will testify before the committee next week. back to you. >> ali, thank you. >>> opening statements will begin today in delaware where the president's son is facing federal gun charges. hunter biden is accused of lying on

the viruses that were studied under the nih grant were evolutionarily so different from sars, that anyurologist worth their salt will tell you, it could not possibly have come from those viruses because the precursor virus wasn't anything near evolutionary sars. having said that, but that to bed and say, could it have come from a lab in china? absolutely. that is the reason why we keep an open mind. but if you look at what evolutionary virologists do, and the data that looks that , is at a laboratory leak versus is it a natural occurrence from an animal reservoir? overwhelmingly, the evolutionary virologists say it is more likely, not definitive, no proof, but more likely to come from a natural reservoir. what are the data to show that it came from a lab? i haven't seen that data. no one has seen it. that's the reason why i object to the new york times editorial opinion piece, because there was no new data there. again, underline, i keep an open mind. >> but your view, is a still more likely natural origin? >> that's my opinion based on the data i have. if somebody gives you proof that

the viruses that were studied under the nih grant were evolutionarily so different from sars that any their salt will tell you it could not possibly have come from those viruses because the precursor virus wasn't anything near evolutionary sars. having said that, put that to bed and say, could it have come from a lab in china? absolutely. that's the reason why we keep an open mind. but if you look at what evolutionary virologists do and the data that looks at is it a laboratory leak versus is it a natural occurrence from an animal reservoir, overwhelmingly the evolutionary virologists say it is more likely, not definitive, no proof, but more likely to come from a natural reservoir. what are the data to show that it came from a lab? i haven't seen that data. no one has seen t that's the reason why i object to the "new york times" editorial opinion piece because there was no new data there. again, underline i keep an open mind, it could have been either. >> so open mind, but your view is it's still more likely natural origin. >> but that's my opinion based on the data. >> based on what

. >> and you didn't feel an obligation as the lead scientist at the nih to challenge that? >> i've challenged the cdc multiple times. >> fauci also denied withholding data supportive of the theory that the coronavirus leaked from a research lab in wuhan, china. >>> atlanta's water woes are dragging into a fifth day. two massive water main breaks over the weekend left residents cut off and without clean drinking water. officials are partly blaming old and worn-down infrastructure. priya sridhar is in atlanta. >> reporter: a state of emergency in atlanta after two major infrastructure breaks over the weekend left thousands without water. >> people need their water. people got to eat. people got to cook. we got kids. we need the help. >> reporter: it all started friday morning when a water main break was reported near the downtown area. just hours later, another, unrelated break, this time in the midtown area. several fulton county board of health facilities and summer school programs shut down. a boil water advisory is also in effect for most of the city. >> in my area where i

. >> you didn't feel an obligation as the lead scientist at the nih to challenge that? >> i've challenged the cdc multiple times. >> publicly you challenged them on the six-foot distance rule -- >> it is not appropriate to be publicly challenging -- >> reporter: republicans pressing him on covid's origins. fauci downplaying the possibility of a leak from a lab in wuhan, china. >> do you agree there was a push to downplay the lab leak theory? >> not on my part. >> really? >> really. >> wow. >> wow. >> i think most of the country would find that amazing. >> look at the facts. i've kept an open mind throughout the entire process. >> reporter: fauci emotional talking about the threats he and his family still face. >> it is very troublesome to me, it is much more troublesome because they've involved my wife and my three daughters. >> reporter: that hearing underscoring time hasn't healed those political wounds. meanwhile, former new york governor andrew cuomo set to testify next week. lester? >> thank you. >>> to the middle east now. israel confirming today the deaths of four

that the nih had nothing to do with it. we have the private emails where he and everyone in his inner circle was saying oh my goodness. >> lawmakers are also likely to dig into the procedures americans lived during the covid pandemic. something that came up during fauci's closed door deposition. quote, do you recall when discussions regarding the at least six foot threshold began? the six foot in the school, six foot overall. it was applied to businesses. yeah, it was applied in schools and here at least how the messaging applied. was the six foot distance was the distance that needed to be. >> i don't recall. it sort of just appeared. i don't recall a discussion of five or six or whatever. it was that six feet is -- >> did you see any stud eels that supported six feet? >> i was not aware of studies. that would be a difficult study to do. the six-foot social distancing rule basically ruled our lives, kept schools closed for an extended period of time. defendants striking saying it's a waste of time and republicans lack evide

when when i decided to step down from the nih, i said, i want to write my memoir, but i want to do it at a time when i'm, you know, energetic, passionate, and still healthy and feel good and then after that, i want to continue to contribute in a way where i still think i'm making a contribution. and right now, i may be any three, but i feel like i'm 55 so the may i don't see any end to it, but i do know that i think i have enough realism about myself i mean, the people who would throw darts at me think badly of me, but i'm fundamentally a pretty humble person. and i know and can evaluate my limitations and i can tell you when i feel i'm not able to leave it all on the court, then i'll walk off the court you know, it's interesting, sarah, just as a little bit of a side note, he is at 3-years-old we've talked a lot about age over the past couple of years he's very sharp guy, just wrote a 450 page book, hit that, that memoir and you hear him, you hear how charpy is 20% of the book roughly is about covid 80% is about all these other things that have happened over the last nearly 60 years.

those kinds of guidelines for schools, and you didn't feel an obligation as the lead scientist at the nihallenge that it is not appropriate to be publicly challenging a sister organization. >> the panel's chairman reprimanded congresswoman marjorie taylor greene after she refused to call fauci doctor and said he should be in prison. >> children in school were put in plastic bubbles because of your science, you're repulsive. evil science. we should be writing a criminal referral because you should be prosecuted for crimes against humanity. you belong in prison, doctor fauci doctor fauci pushed back on claims that he covered up a theory that the virus may have originated in a chinese lab. >> do you agree that there was a push to downplay the lab leak theory? >> not on my part, really? really. wow, wow. >> i think i think most of the country would find that find that amazing. >> doctor fauci also choked up as he described death threats against his family. >> it is much more troublesome because they've involved my wife and my three daughters. >> one expert claims yesterday's hearing did littl

of internal medicine, of which he has been one of the principal authors he came, he came to to run the nihe national institute of allergy and infectious disease. >> in 1984. that's just as aids was burning through this country and the fact now that people with hiv in the united states can lead completely normal lives with undetectable virus loads is a, is entirely due to the work that tony fauci and the lead pi created at nih. >> the work that they achieved now i would say that he should get the presidential medal of freedom, but he's already gotten in a very deserved way, the presidential medical medal of freedom and he's he's basically become the scapegoat. >> and it's really it's really disturbing. dr. jonathan reiner. thanks for being with us coming up next something a little lighter feels like we all need about now an adorable little boy stole the show on capitol hill tradition bike riders i like you guys here in a nice how many is doublets did u1 serve the full moon he keeps rides he's going to die one way or another an account like orders where your door only beaters june 21, right

fauci of the american people would have known right off the bat and coronavirus happened and probably most likely came from a lab in wuhan at nihy too. that the eco- health alliance we know this to be a factor now that money was going there that research is being done there. so, what we have found since and is a massive cover-up but i'm going to read your real quick a couple of things that this is the e-mail we uncovered to peter and it says there are things i cannot say except tony, tony fauci, is aware and i have learned their ongoing efforts with nih to steer through this with minimal damage to you, peter and colleagues of the nih. i have a reason to believe there are already efforts going on to protect you. protective from what is a question i would ask was right that's another e-mail which dr. fauci's senior adviser and sent to boston university and set i learn from our foia lady how to make e-mails disappear after i'm floyd but before the search starts so i think we are all safe. plus i deleted most of those earlier e-mails after senate than to gmail comment to my private account, say from what? there are countless e-mail

. >> prior to my retirement from federal service in december, 2022, i had been at the nih for 54 yearsn 38 years. in those posts, i was deeply involved in the scientific and health response including hiv, aids, ebola, zika. so under my leadership, we were well positioned to respond to covid-19. for at least two decades prior to the covid outbreak, we had invested billions of dollars in research on the mrna technology, which let to the swift developments of the vaccines. safe and highly effective vaccines were available and in the history of what saved tens of millions of lives worldwide. >> tens of millions of lives. he read one of his own e-mails urging the very beginning of the pandemic, research on a possible lap leak of that virus. >> and i now quote to an e-mail that i sent on february 1, 2020. and he relayed to me the concern about the spike protein in the virus. as soon as possible, he, and eddie holmes, should get a group of biologists together to carefully exam the data to determine if his concerns are validated as they should report it to the appropriate authorities. i would

the cdc decision and their decision to make and they made it. >> you didn't feel obligation as lead scientist at nih to challenge that? >> i have challenged cdc multiple times. >> publicly on this regard? on the six-foot distance rule. >> it is not appropriate to publ publicly challenge an organization. >> >> laura: really? had no problem challenging chief executive officer, president trump, his bos. >> i was put in a very difficult position i didn't like of having to contradict publicly the president of the united states. i felt it was my responsibility to preserve my own personal integrity and major responsibility to the american public to tell them the truth. >> laura: it gets better and better. we gave too much power to a power hungry bureaucrat with a fancy title and abandoned constitution and common sense. beyond social distancing, truth that guy abandoned or down played, cloth masks don't work, natural immunity is real, shots that don't prevent transmission is incomparable. you can't leave liquor stores open and closed churches and finally we have a first amendment. even today, you think fauc

fauci: not from the grant that was given by the nih to study the viruses they were studying. >> stephenwere studied were evolutionary so far distant from what turned out to be sars-cov-2 that no matter what you did with those viruses you would not be will to do that. that is in me that -- that doesn't mean that somewhere in china it isn't conceivable that someone may been working on something bringing it out for the environment. that's the reason why make an open mind as to what the cause of it is. >> stephen: so a lot of controversy about what the origin now that is. a, why is it so important that we know? and b, is there anything new we've learned recently? >> dr. fauci: well, first of all, it's important to know because you want to make sure you put into place things that would prevent that from happening again. so since we unlikely will know, because of the real solicitation of any cooperation between china and the united states. >> stephen: their processes are black boxed. >> dr. fauci: and the hostility between the countries is such that there is not going to be cooperation. so if

. >> prior to my retirement from federal service in december of 2022, i was at the nih for 54 years andific and public health response to several infectious disease outbreaks including hiv- aids, pandemic flu, ebola and zika flew in under my leadership we were well- positioned to respond to covid- 19. for 2 decades prior to covid we had investigated and invested billions of dollars in technology and design both of which led to the swift development of covid vaccines. less than 11 months after the identification of this new virus, safe and highly effective vaccines were widely available and unprecedented accomplishment in the history of vaccincology that saved tens of billions of lives. >> tens of millions of lives saved by the work of dr. anthony fauci. he read one of his own emails urging at the beginning of the pandemic research on a possible lab leak of the virus. >> i now quote from an email i sent to a professor on february 1st, 2020. jeremy, i just got off the phone with christian anderson and related his concern about the site mutation in the spike protein of the virus. i told hi

the nih has a group of smart scientists that have a traditional flu vaccine that works against bird flu is not an amrna vaccine and there's no interest within the agency or the government in general in advancing it beyond the phase 1 human trials that it already completed successfully. it would be ironic if we have a crossover into human to human transmission we have an effective vaccine it appears on the shelf that nobody's moving to. stuart: hold on for a second. i will show the launch of the boeing launching their first crew test flight for the atlas 5 star liner rocket. two nasa astronauts are on board heading to the international space station for a week. remember please, elon musk and his space x has been launching huge rockets and taking passengers to the space station for several years. boeing is trying to catch up. this is the first test of amand, with astronauts on board, taking them to the space station. they lag a long way behind what is going on with elon musk. at this moment, that is a successful launch. back to doctor marty makary. back to you, because an fda panel has re