at one point being a really big villain for the nsa, and the next minute being a hero to the nsa. it took a while. it took almost seven years, but they finally put herbert yardley in the hall of honor at the nsa. so maybe there is still a chance for every seven at some point. but like us said, this is an -- yardley wrote the very first book on the organization of the crypt illogic organization, the predecessor of the nsa. the next one to write was david connecticut hero of book called the code breakers and 1967 which still lot about the nsa has the most -- the biggest expos a of the nsa that had never happened since herbert yardley. and the nsa went to a lot of trouble to get rid of the book. i mean, they even considered -- this came out in and senate intelligence committee report, surreptitious entry into this house to steal the manuscript, clandestine service supplication , whenever that is, kidnapping, termination. worst of all, there were going to plant some disparaging press reviews about his book commodes as an author you take every other option before that one. so like yardl

at one point being a really big villain for the nsa, and the next minute being a hero to the nsa. it took a while. it took almost seven years, but they finally put herbert yardley in the hall of honor at the nsa. so maybe there is still a chance for every seven at some point. but like us said, this is an -- yardley wrote the very first book on the organization of the crypt illogic organization, the predecessor of the nsa. the next one to write was david connecticut hero of book called the code breakers and 1967 which still lot about the nsa has the most -- the biggest expos a of the nsa that had never happened since herbert yardley. and the nsa went to a lot of trouble to get rid of the book. i mean, they even considered -- this came out in and senate intelligence committee report, surreptitious entry into this house to steal the manuscript, clandestine service supplication , whenever that is, kidnapping, termination. worst of all, there were going to plant some disparaging press reviews about his book commodes as an author you take every other option before that one. so like yardl

to the nsa. d to the public and congress reject did that and then we find out from distorted documents that they're going around the back door anyway. so we have dianne feinstein. i don't see an awful lot of momentum in congress to actually pass some privacy bills but to see that happen still living post 9/11 period it is self generated so you get congress people who know they have to go up for reelection every two years if they vote the against a new budget increase the opponent would say he is weak on terrorism. so it will be his fault. that is a disincentive to congress people this progressive legislation and. because they try to get those past. >> there has been a couple of references so they framed the argument as was alluded to in the beginning will be were previously subject under the monarchy to provide oversight for the government with the malfeasance of government officials the department of defense spy nine activists suppress that speech and right to know here you have the agency doing

the nsa was listening to that house. december 1999 they picked up a communication and it was from afghanistan and it said, send khalid al-mihdhar to call them for the meeting. so we know that the nsa knows this is going to be a very big meeting. well, the nsa passes that to the cia and other intelligence agencies. the caa since people, and they get the cooperation of the government and they're watching these guys. and then all of a sudden they go to the airport and they get on a plane, khalid al-mihdhar and his partner, and to fly out of the country. the cia in good intelligence people, they figure they are flying to bangkok because that's where the plane was going. the problem was they called up the station in bangkok to alert them. and it happened to be a saturday and nobody was working. so the two terrorists got off the plane, disappeared into bangkok. but the cia did know they're going to the united states because they had a copy of their passport which had their visa in it. so what happened was the two of them flew f

>> the goal of the nsa is the elimination of privacy worldwide, not hyperbole, literally, their goal is to make sure all human to medications that take place electronically are collected and then stored by the nsa and susceptible to being monitored and analyzed. >> while the nsa expands its powers, and explosive new story by journalist glenn greenwald and jeremy scahill reveals details about the secret role of the nsa and he was overseas assassination program. the u.s. is reportedly now carrying out drone strikes based on cell phone tracking data without knowing whether the individual in possession of a tracfone is in fact the intended target. the article was just published in a new digital magazine launched today by first look media. glenn greenwald and jeremy scahill join us. all of that and more coming up. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. the second round of syrian peace talks resumed today in geneva after a one-week pause. steering government and opposition representatives have met separately with you and envoy lakhdar brahimi a

that the nsa has been a bit outside the laws anyway, hasn't it? i guess what i'm saying, devil's advocate, the nsa is far too powerful to care about what anyone thinks about it, therefore, difficult to protest that. >> we are in a different transparency environment than we were before the leaks came out last summer. so now we know what's happened with the nsa, the world is watching. before the nsa was doing what they were doing without anyone paying attention, now everyone is paying attention. you can't go a day or two without seeing story on the front page of the paper about this. >> what do you hope will come out of this petition? having looked at the petition, sounds like something geared toward an international effort as well, not just in the united states. so, what, in your wildest dreams, do you hope will come out of this petition? >> well, we are hoping that people in the u.s. will call their representatives and support legislation, urge their representatives to support legislation that will rein in the nsa. internationally, we have seen th

surveillance and merrill in the home of the nsa to post a congressman introduced a bill that would literally pull the plug on government spying they would do this by cutting off water electricity and other support to the federal agency that fall the fourth amendment protection and senate supporters say the bill is aimed at blocking the nsa from monitoring and tracking systems and state here's the valve that prohibits the office is a and employees from engaging in certain activities relating to the collection of a certain electronic mega data data and added that of a percent. and it doesn't stop in maryland this legislation like this in the works in other states like washington and utah and missouri. for more and the state's night i joined earlier i was doing earlier with a shower head to the car. the executive director of the bill of rights defense committee. in maryland in utah in particular it would have special force because the bill essentially denies state resources to the nsa and in the states with the nsa has data centers li

general alexander, head of the nsa. he's the equivalent of an aircraft carrier that just ran into the rock of gibraltar. you know, would a navy captain the still be running the ship? he's still running the nsa. the worst security breach in u.s. history. so there's no accountability within the administration. you've got to start with accountability before you start getting any reform. how are you going to get reform if you let the same people that make all the mistakes continue making them? >> yes. i'm from the government accountability project -- [laughter] we represent edward snowden and tom drake and edward loomis. and i just wanted to point out that the congress actually took out of the whistleblower protection enhancement act any protections from retaliation for intelligence community whistleblowers and, therefore, they're vulnerable to any action the government takes against them or the private corporation. do you see on the horizon any enhanced protections from reprisal coming from the congress or the obama adminis

but the nsa goes well beyond that. ere's the front door but they also go into the backdoor and tap into the fiber-optic link between the data centers so i think that's something i would like to see at least addressed and where is this leading us in terms of worldwide surveillance of everybody and is a rational we are paying for this? are we just building the haystack so high that we will never be able to find the needle so those are good questions. >> jim marc rotenberg from the electronic privacy information center and i want to thank you very much for your talk and all your work on this issue. as you know it was the epic that brought the omission -- initial challenge to the nsa program. we were supported in that effort by dozens of legal scholars and former members of the church committee who agreed under section 215 there simply wasn't the authority for the nsa to collect all the telephone records on american citizens but i will want to ask you about the historical significance of the president's speech tomorrow morn

they show how the nsa has secretly assisted in u.s. ilitary and cia assassinations overseas by using metadata analysis and cellphone tracking technologies. the unreliable tactic that has resulted in the deaths of innocent or unidentified people. >> well, the nsa has defended its activities as essential in the fight against terrorism. in january, director of national intelligence james clapper attacked snowden while speaking before the senate intelligence committee, and called for him to return all stolen documents to the nsa after causing what he major harm to u.s. security. clapper also suggested that the journalists who have published snowden's leaks are his "accomplices." >> edward snowden claims that he has one and his mission is accomplished. if that is so, i call on him and his accomplices to facilitate the return of the demeaning stolen documents that have not yet and exposed. what i want to speak to is the profound damage that his disclosures have caused and continue to cause. as a consequence, the nation is less safe and its pe

"the huffington post" reported that the nsa had identified at least six muslim leaders whose speeches have the potential to radicalize their audiences with an "extremist message." none were accused of involvement in terror plots. the nsa had apparently collected evidence of their online activity including visits to porn sites in a bid to undermine their credibility or intimidate them into silence. it's unclear if the nsa carried out any of its plans. given how they have done in the past, what risk is there with webcam photos? >> this is essentially the problem with bulk surveillance. arell do things that private that we would not want the world to know. the problem.of if it is all collected -- we all have some things we do not want used against us, so if the intelligence agencies really want to say we collect this compromising,t be and we have never dreamed of using it, that is commanding a lot of trust. not, theyly or essentially have a black male file on almost everyone, and the issue is, with stories like that, it suggests that maybe we should not be trusting them with it. i should

it changed the perceptions in this country about what the nsa is doing. don't think it would mean -- it any different if they would've put that forward in a different way. one case where they finally admitted it, the war less wiretapping, there was a huge outcry -- warrantless wiretapping, there's a huge outcry. he should not be doing it. they should not be surveilling americans phone calls. they should get probable cause. in my view, that is the only way you can do surveillance. >> jesselyn raddack? was found what clapper said completely disingenuous. we know he perjured himself under oath before congress on camera with no consequence. this strikes me as one of the least untruthful of his statements. i take that with a grain of salt. he thinks it should be known because they got caught, and that is only reason he makes these opportunistic statements. in terms of monitoring, i assume i am being monitored. i am encrypted to the hilt. i'm not going to say what encryption techniques i use, but it is a really unfortunate way to do business as a lawyer to have

new revelations emerge around the nsa. is reporting the u.s.gency worked with britain's surveillance counterpart to intercept and , evenyahoo! webcam images from users who are not suspected of doing any wrong doing. the program dated from 2008 to 2010. 1.8 million users were targeted in a six-month period alone. yahoo! is saying they were outraged, not were they aware of nor would we condone this reported activity. shows like "walking dead" kee ping networks alive. we will talk with jon erlichman. first, our lead. its empire bylt selling ads on its search engine. there's hardly a business and technology the company is not changing. one of its newest businesses is google cyber, high-speed internet in your home that leaves competitors in the dust. were taking an in-depth look at google fiber. the only other place other than kansas city where the service is already online. this town?ogle pick >> it already had fiber. the.comft over from $30 when the city borrowed million to wire houses. they found the way they were running it was losing money on t

"the guardian" were partners in the reporting off of the nsa material. we personally went and pain-stakingly made preparations about how we would handle the material. >> is that unusual? >> unusual for the executive editor to be involved? >> yeah. >> not when something is -- >> this big? >> where the reputation of "the times" could be at stake. there aren't that many stories of that nature, but when they are it's usual for the top editors to be directly involved. >> is it comparable to the pentagon papers? >> it's hard to say. i mean, the pentagon papers and in that situation, obviously, daniel elsburg was the source for that material coming out of the pentagon. that material exposed really terrible, terrible official lies but the u.s. government. lies about the progress of the vietnam war, and that made that material so consequenceal because of that. in this case the material has, you know, provided a window onto like the scale of eavesdropping and all kinds of troubling things. certainly, some misstatements by officials, but i'm not sure they've exposed

they are starting to protest against the nsa. 're seeing the tea party bailing out against the deep state. they may be wrong on many economic issues. but i don't think they're necessarily wrong on this one. >> so the public could be growing wise? >> i think they are. there's a much more vivid debate going on in the country about surveillance ever since the revelations by edward snowden. >> mike lofgren, thank you very much for being with me. >> it's good to be here, bill. >> thanks to the journalist lee fang, we have another revelation into how the deep state enterprise works. writing for the republic report, a non-partisan, non-profit that investigates money in politics, he takes up that controversial trade deal called the trans-pacific partnership that president obama is trying to push through congress with minimum debate and no amendments. controversial because some of its provisions reportedly enable corporate power to trump representative government, even go around domestic courts and local laws. one is said to prevent govern

publication that wrote the nsa spying story. on the show come later to talk about how inhnology talks about nsa ways they have never before. nsa gather cyber material. drones making the strikes. humans involved hardly at all. we will talk about that and the publication as well. new newsere is a organization that he has founded. the top story is twitter. insiders will be able to sell their shares for the first time tomorrow. yes, saturday. why tomorrow? >> it is after trading when they start. >> it is a small percentage of shares. 1.8%. compare that to 13%. facebook allowed its employees to sell that amount when their lockup expired. >> we will see how big of a deal this is. there are companies like facebook and twitter that are somewhat new to selling on the private market before the company went public. maybe there will be that rush to sell. again, twitter shares are quite a bit. it, they arestand only allowing them to do this so they can pay taxes that they owe. >> perhaps. tax revenue drives a lot of decisions. it is a trickle

what do you think of this, giving you have worked inside the nsa? t want to confuse the fact where nsa or in intelligence agency hypothetically has the capability and we are jumping to the conclusion that all of a sudden everybody is phone verbal. the intelligence agencies and committees look at valid targets to keep us stay for -- safe. i don't think there is a private citizen that you have any reason to worry that your webcam is hypothetically being used for access to intelligence. >> based on the report, there were plenty of innocent people who could have been dragged into this. were they looking at people with certain kinds of user names and randomly saving images inside their home? >> when you talk about intelligence collection, sometimes there can be a broad application of collection, as done with any type of intelligence from radio waves do anything. general alexander recently said that the nsa collects about 2 million intercepts of french communications every day. if you were to do the math on how many people it would take to translate that i

this is a group of her styles a criminal complaint against the german government for assisting the nsa more on that coming up. and the rest of the cost until the one time a detention facility the question that the obama administration refuses to answer. the federal court is being asked to dismiss a lawsuit to see if that's true more on this later in the shower. the february third on him in washington dc i love pens and the watching party america. while not too far away from the brakes and dazzling lights of times square in new york city skyline plans with america's darkest secrets. huddersfield on the aisle and is a small patch of land in the eastern most parts of the folks for years i was in use as a mass grave of sorts. ortiz on some future brings us more from the largest taxpayer funded sectarian war all. womb. mm mm mm least kept from the you've likely never heard of it despite its long history and science. one of the largest cemetery in the united states with nearly a million burial. almost one million people buried here since the eighteen hundreds the pork home was stillborn chil

fisa court -- the secret court that signs off on the nsasurveillance programs right now and has been heavily criticized by civil liberties groups including the electronic frontier foundation because it is so un-transparence and has been creating caselaw and not making it available to the public. obama put in individual into the fisa court who would champion civil liberties. that is really important first step and i don't -- i want to underscore that. he also insured the fisa court would have a certain amount of transparency, that once a year they would look to declassify some of the fisa court opinions. that was an important step. here and there we gave him credit for a few other things. however, one thing we were particularly looking for from obama was a promise that even as he transitioned out the telephone metadata program, the program of collecting the telephone records of millions of americans who aren't suspected of a crime, and he has been under so much pressure for that is as is he is -- as he transitioning away from that, that he d

whether it's someone at the wi-fi cafÉ or the nsa. ers have demonstrated is the protocol doesn't actually work for apple devices and mac computers. desktop isedge, did still vulnerable. if you are using the computer at a wi-fi cafÉ, someone can hijack your communication and monitor it and all of your e-mails and passwords, etc. reaction to this been different from other companies and could they have done anything better? surprising they released emergency updates without releasing it for the mac operating system. given the sophistication of people working on this issue and the current climate -- you just had mike rogers speak -- given the current climate it is surprising they would not think to patch the system immediately rather than just trickle out one of eight after the other. >> what about the fact they released the update without a context? i probably would not have downloaded the update for a few more days if i wasn't in the know. i'm a tech journalist. >> the question of transparency around these issues is a huge one. usersct t

november and he resigned in january ten the other two employees were indicted for their access to the nsa. as of last august additional punishments would be the responsibility of their prospective employee or sth. as i've been so out of the nsa spying program has again been revealed to be even bigger than what previously dots. former german chancellor gerard showed her what some fridays to find out that the nsa with spying on him till one in ten years ago. it was due to distance the new of course that they were always spend the activities going on but essentially no spelling activities among friends are out there and enemies. that's a good since it was surprising for me to find out what extent this kind of time to play. according to german news sources. schroeder was put under surveillance do his opposition to military intervention in iraq we hear about crying and corruption flooding our story. this is the moral compass and office is across the us has also been a bit off recently the look is on the top corruption cases over the past year when the enemy or worse the lawmaker eric stephenso

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the question that is outstanding that nsa wouldn't address is what, if the level of access is to this database. they didn't directly address that to us when we went to them on thatnd nsa tool like the queary tool are set in the documents to work alongside this data so there is sus pintions that remain outstanding as to the degree

dershowitzney alan with details of the nsa and shares his views on insider trading. all that and more over the next hour. but first, let's get headlines carolur radio host massar. >> morgan stanley is paying $1.25 billion to settle a federal lawsuit. the agreement focused on the sale of mortgage backed securities. they took a $150 million charge reducing earnings i five cents a share. puerto rico had general toigation bonds it's -- cut speculative grade. poscop lowered the island ondit rating and kept it creditwatch with negative in cases. the u.s. senate passed the farm bill today. the measure which president obama said he will sign said u.s. agriculturally -- set u.s. agricultural policy. headlines at top this hour. >> thank you. historic day at microsoft. here is with the new chief executive had to say about spurring innovation. >> the first thing i would want to do and focus on is ruthlessly remove any obstacles that allow us to innovate. and then focus all that an ovation on things that microsoft can uniquely do. jon erlichman joins us now from los angeles. about

some people skeptical that this is really going to stop the nsa spying if they really wanted to. many intercept these lines a day if they wanted to get ahold of the information i mean if they spent millions of dollars on that a guarantee and the teacher supply shirts like these here of course to tap into a fiber optic cable right in your own backyard and that's where a lot of these cables were in india since we know that the uk is doing this up a lot that is coming right in the cup tables that are running off the coast of new kind of sucking up huge amounts of writing sharing with them is that i never know what i can see we had the nsa could send us submarines in the middle of the atlantic ocean find this new one hundred eighty five million dollar table or something. the building in top right into it and it's been documented going all the back to mid nineties when the internet that can use fiber optic cables are proliferating around the world that the nsa was experimented with doing just that doing exactly that the same for the activity of going to the dog in the ocean and putting

to begreenwald has come known internationally for his breaking of the nsa prism story. publication and what you're trying to do and what the business model is. ebay hasunder of wanted to get into the world of meeting for a long time. at a time when glenn greenwald and myself about six months ago were talking with our colleague about building a news organization that would have inherently adversarial posture towards the stage when he came to violations of the first amendment and fourth amendment of the constitution, pierre omidyar reached out to glenn greenwald. ofsaid, i'm thinking starting a news organization. would you guys want to collaborate in some way? he did not envision building a news organization. he wanted us to collaborate. glenn and i were in rio at the time and we said, let's pitch canre on this idea that we work with them. at first we were talking about building this much broader picture news organization with sports and entertainment and politics and national security reporting. what pierre and his team come up with a brilliant idea, that pierre will crea

the nsa says we are not governed by the fourth amendment.enna: that is what the justice department says. 15 judges have already said it is okay, so how is this different? >> when their court makes a ruling, nobody is resisting the ruling. if a judge had just the government appearing before it. the other two judges went both ways on this, federal judges who had trials not court room with lawyers representing the nsa and the plaintiff. one of these judges says this is unconstitutional. you cannot have one warrant for 100 million people. the other said it is appropriate response to 9/11. those to say this case will eventually go to the supreme court and probably a third decision from this case. jenna: former director of the fbi when it comes to combating terror. one of the things we were talking about this topic and said one of the things that can come up is not so much a constitutional issue but issue of the patriot act and says this argument has an amazing court, they have to collect everybody's phone records, get the judges and john's and so

phone records program and to purge all of the data held by the nsa. while the federal courts are divided on whether the programs are legal, reporters are told the issue can only be settled by the nation's highest court. >> ultimately, the supreme court is going to be the arbiter of what it means. >> obviously, but a specific matter of litigation, i would refer you to the department of justice. >> they declined comment, but insists the wide ranging speech by the president last month addressed some of it issues. >> in an extraordinarily difficult job, the men and women of the intelligence community, including the nsa, followed protocols designed to protect the privacy of ordinary people. >> the underlying question is whether the nsa programs are efficient and effective. the lawsuit alleges they are neither, but the administration says ruling out the connection to a major overseas plot should never be minimized. shannon. >> thank you. >>> an unusual twist on an old tale tonight in chattanooga, tennessee. autoworkers there are voting on whether to join a u

but helps to some degree show that the united states is trying to get back on track and get beyond the nsa scandal, which has been so hard for a lot of european citizens to digest. >> iranians celebrating the 35th anniversary of the revolution. since the sanctions have been eased, as you know, steve, hundreds of french businessmen made the journey to tehran. what's the nature of our relationship with the french with regards to iran specifically? >> well, when president sarkozy was in place, he and his foreign minister were very, very militant in their concern about iran's nuclear program. and it's not to say that that militancy has subsided but when you looked at president obama's op-ed in the "washington post" two days ago, it started with how important it was to move iran and the needle on the nuclear program in a different direction. so they are absolutely joined together in using this moment where there seems to be a thaw in iran and french and their president signed on in a major op-ed with the president saying we're together and we're going to move this. it's a very different positio

when the people on the nsa is this fine land is wickedly founder julie and signage. according to the documents the gc hq also kept track of people who visited the with the league's website bites into fiber optic cables and collecting the ip address is of computer single time. clean green walls. the latest expose a featured in the intersex presented two thousand ten documents show that juliana signed his name wasd hunting tt the list and also also features the names of all the members. the response the suns told democracy now reporters. but industry was to see your name in that context with people who are suspected of serious criminal acts of terrorism. clearly that as a mass of overstock what the lease also put out a statement criticizing us for even considering adding the name of that publishing sites to its list of foreign militias actors part of that statement reads quote what you think strongly condemns the rack was an unlawful behavior behind the national security agency. we call the obama administration to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the extent o

the nsa was listening. cember of 1999 they picked up a communication from afghanistan that said send answar al sunna the meeting. we know the nsa knows at this point there is going to be a big meeting. the nsa passes that to the cia and other intelligence agencies, the cia sends people and they get the cooperation of the government and they are watching these guys and all of a sudden they go to the airport and they get on a plane, khalid al-mihdhar and his partner and the cia being good intelligence people figure out they are flying to bangkok because that is where the plane was going. the problem was they called up the station in bangkok to alert them and it happened to be a saturday and nobody was working so the two terrorist got off the plane and disappeared into bangkok, but the cia didn't know they're going to the united states because they had a copy of their passport which had the visa in it. what happened was the two of them flew from yemen to california and since nobody had been tipped off by the ci

at eighty eight by the nsa. i don't have that program catering to all taken at the end anyway essentially correct affiliated states had for many in sydney on he's an account one point eight million. i can sense a payment agency database is and how this information supposed to be used. well this is the antidote is to see school as experiments in fourth place in facial recognition. i know is he's workin' on tuesday sec's existing content that illustrates the discovery of new targets and intense and safe effective can be used to try to find cars of all criminals had been full of saintly team he said at a multiple anonymous easy like the face keeping up. i've seen all day sat at thirroul could potentially be completely innocent jesus and did indeed he seems keen to see us between rich and those users were suspected of wrongdoing and and those who were suspected of wrongdoing it is not i think that's brady was causing such outrage here is that it seems that she feeds q able to access that many images can be indiscrimi

the whole reason nsa has existed since 1950 two. performing critical missions that i am sure the american people want it to carry out. the effects of the disclosures has heard the entire intelligence committee -- community. critical capabilities in which the u.s. has invested are at risk or likely to be curtailed or eliminated because of compromised or conscious decision. the impact of the losses caused the disclosures will be amplified by the substantial budget reductions we are incurring. the stark consequences of this perfect storm are plainly evident. the intelligence community is going to have less capacity to protect our nation and its allies that we have had. i am compelled to note the negative impact on the ic workforce. i very much appreciate the men and women of the intelligence community and we will convey that to all of them. this leads me to my fourth point. we are faced with collectively and i mean this committee, the congress at large, the executive ranch and all of us in that community, the imperative to accept more r

mark udall has supported restraints on the nsa. blumenthal as well. there is a bipartisan coalition that could form on this. i am afraid that some of the people, particularly coming from the hierarchy of the intelligence committee, want to say it is not spying anyway. these are metadata. they do not really matter. i am afraid we may not get what we want to read it is also a support system. i am much more encouraged and the court system. the attorneys i have talked to says that this defies the fourth amendment. if you are saying a single court order or warts can apply to millions of people's phone records that it goes against what the fourth amendment indicates is our protection. i think that has a really good chance. my attorneys tell me from watching and listening to the supreme court justices, they think there are at least five the indicated that the smith versus maryland case does not tell the nsa that they can collect everybody's phone records. i think this there is a very good chance the supreme court will expand the purview of the fourth amendmen

>> and barbara, is this nsa civilian obviously gone from the employment of the nsa, but is this person in trouble? >> well, i think -- perhaps yes. because even though the person has left the employment, the memo details that it was all turned over to the justice department. so it will be up to them now to determine whether they want to proceed against this person, but the nsa certainly says that it moved very quickly to revoke the ability of any of these people to have access to classified information through their security clearances. it's the same question that we see repeatedly in so many of these cases. security breaches, because protocols are not followed. people in this classified world of military and security information know not to -- you know, who they cannot give their passwords to. and apparently in this case the protocols, according to what we understand, simply were not followed. >> i'm sure they will be stressing the nsa will be those protocols to their employees. once again, barbara starr, thank you so much. >> sure. >>> there has been a major reversal for the commonwe

if the nsa simple text messages that the telecommunications networks in china. they can probably manage to get facebook messages out of germany moving the date is fixed six short days it is the problem. the problem that will take more than tough talk to fix. reporting in berlin for our tea and the sea captain. and as night and the money responsible for leaking vanessa's the member nations have sent shockwaves around the globe. as in utah the whistleblower has been elected and re draft of the university in the uk my house but it means to him and all the students in our fourth places the last. i know. sch. technology integration. all new developments around russia the future. the room the eye are you watching on scene to notch a line from moscow each day but with some lilac had a spirited maybe knew that when he's each line is one of the uk is most venerable institutions is happy to give him a position of trust. students interested in investing in scotland have no meaning to them as well to test the seats. former us national security agency contractor edwards note

it is not just about the nsa. is about people living in an information environment that we use all the time that we don't understand and occasionally comes up and scares the heck out of us. and i think that is something that we have to talk about. i asked people what concerns you more, i think a fair number of reasonable people would save what happened at target. the nsa is something that affects my credit and i think people have been very concerned by that. several years ago we were interviewing candidates at the national intelligence council for a national intelligence officer position in one of the things we asked the mall was named the top five expert in your field of the intelligence community. one of the applicants said that there are no experts in our field as far as the intelligence community goes. the good news is he did not get do the job. though we had already spent several hundred thousand dollars consulting with those people. and we had to deal with serious issues of academic people not wanting to come

general clapper, let me thank you for the defense you gave on the nsa. i think it's important to have it on the record time and again. putting in perspective the terrible damage that snowden has caused to our country, to our men and women of the armed services, and americans general. it's unfortune that he's been horrifying some aspect of the media. even some member of congress people in public life and given a distorted version to the american people who somehow think he's a whistle-blower rather than i would say a person who is sold out his country and put americans in terrible danger throughout the world. as a followup to your conversation with the chairman rogers about russia and also attaching it to snowden. the backdrop of increasingly aggressive russian behavior, diplomatically the role in syria was more than they've had in the region of the world in more than 40 years. seeking economic and weapons transaction with egypt and saudi arabia. more aggressive action in ukraine and intrusive action in scanned knave ya. as pointed out the fact they haven'

president obama attempts to tame the nsa have apparently failed to report the agency spite of hundreds of german officials after the president gave them to become the country's chancellor . call. not so much for good to be with us for top story this hour the ongoing ukraine's hosted leader viktor yanukovich his once powerful party of regions prompted some strong statements from russia issued by the foreign ministry the statements as moscow's quote alarmed by the dictatorial sometimes methods. chosen by ukraine's interim leadership to suppress discontent. the text posted on their website also urges all connected with the crisis to show deep responsibility to prevent further escalation of tension restore law and order and restrained extremists striving for power the zipper is going off as more funky. the situation here in kyiv is referred to by me know as a witch hunt because now former officials searched for was a nice man i hadn't seen stopping cars and taking the eighties off of drivers and passengers inside with melissa the party of regions wishes to his ego was. the no one has to be

why should the nsa have more fun? ow that you know how it works, is any of this remotely league here? attorney michelle things it's outrageous, lauren says no big deal. >> it's the height of what was happening when we first had three-way calling, people talking about one another right in front of the other person but that person doesn't know. we have a secret person on three-way ask then a full conversation about that person on the regular phone call. >> i have no idea what you're saying. >> this is like what happens is i make a phone call to, let's say, laura, and then laura and i -- and you're actually listening in, we have a conversation, what do you think of neil? he is so conservative. i can't stand anything he says, okay, talk to you later. >> okay, all right, this is technology that takes that to a whole new level. >> i understand that is a concern. what i take issue with is describing the misuse of the kind of technology, as if that's the spendded use, and it's not. >> well, the nsa when they started it was not

if the nsa simple text messages that the telecommunications networks in china. they can probably manage to get facebook messages out of germany moving the date is fixed costs of securing data is the problem. the problem that will take more than tough talk to fix. reporting in berlin for our tea and the sea captain. imprisoned us only was over chelsea manning fully known as brett lee's big moment in absentee after revelations of us war crimes. having been handed the twenty fourteen sam adams award for integrity in intelligence. the prizes given out annually by a group of former cio this is to have anything to champion the truth even if it meant breaking my writing and the reward for making secret us with the documents beat and atrocities committed by americans in iraq and afghanistan but lost his prize with rivets waiting for his ruminations on washington's notorious spy network to speak with former m i five agent adding match when he was at the awards ceremony in box inside. i mean really the recipient was in the new boss when his old school friends and then the

after glenn greenwald and three other journalists won the george polk award for the reporting on the nsa. greenwald said the court ruling makes it clear the top british spy agency was monitoring "the communications of myself, david, and/or the guardian." he said -- in venezuela, right-wing opposition leader leopoldo lÓpez

there is every reason to believe that these leaks came from the nsa and the data program that was revealed last summer, there are zero reasons to think that this relationship to nsa on the part of the f.b.i. has changed at all. >> so when the nsa sends this sort of information to the f.b.i. and does it follow up and is the personnel assigned to the jttf available to be used? why or why not? has anyone made inquiry for this. if so, was there any of this information, that was related in the report, and we did not see that. the report, did issue a reference and intelligence sharing but nothing more than that and the mere reference and intelligence sharing is not enough or sufficient in the report. we were told that they are spent about 2800 hours a year on the jttf work and we would like to know what they are doing in that time and the special events and assessment and security that does take up some time does not take up nearly that much. the activity section also seems so describe the mission of the sfpd and the actual work of the sfpd jttf, finally, there appears to have been no special tr