what is the point? mr. penn: i think myself, and a generation of americans, have been on a treadmill of seeing the same stories in the press, the same movies where the policy of the war on drugs which so deeply affects all of our lives seems not to change. it seems to be so unmovable. in its focus on these druglords, do we often lose focus that with all of the money now $25 billion per year of taxpayer money, -- opium addiction is rising in united states and the death toll is going up. a greater death toll in americans lost in both the afghani and iraqi war. in the violence around the drug war, we are taking thousands of americans and putting them into prison for their illness and piling up our courts demanding over the capacity of our law enforcement, and filling our prisons. as a father, i think of those fathers who sadly fell victim to those addictions and the traumas that they go through in that prison system that they bring home to their children. it occurs to me that often it is a simple idea that often be

the record. >> rose: how sean penn came to be on the record with el chapo is a tale. penn knew of a mexican tv and movie star who had caught chapo's attention. kate del castillo had once telenovela. chapo was a fan. they kept in touch through texts and social media. last august, del castillo and penn met and she agreed to arrange a meeting with el chapo. in october, penn, del castillo and two others traveled by small plane and truck into cartel- controlled territory. they were escorted by one of el chapo's sons. >> penn: i was baffled at his will to see us. nonetheless-- >> rose: because you-- thought he might be putting himself at risk. >> penn: yeah. i mean we followed the protocols laid out by them in terms of-- in terms of communications and so on, as well as travel. >> rose: so as far as you know, you had nothing to do, and-- and your visit had nothing to do with his-- recapture? >> penn: the things-- here's the things that we know. we know that the mexican government has-- is-- is-- they've been very humiliated by the original escape. >> penn: they were clearly v

biggest drug supplier in the world. >> penn: i was not present to port on the things people would like to see reported on. i was not present at murders. i was not present to see narcotics. i was not present to that. what i was present for i wrote. i wrote that to use it as a pillar for an article about the- - the policy of the war on drugs. >> rose: you're not naive. and you knew that if sean penn went to see a drug lord on the him with a mexican actress who he was smitten with, you knew that's a story. you knew that's a big sty. you're not naive. and now you're blaming people for wanting to know more about it. >> penn: it's-- it's-- >> rose: it's inevitable. >> penn: no, no, no, no. my problem with people is that they think they know more about it. let's go to the big picture of what we-- what we all want. we all want this drug problem to stop. and if you are in the moral right, or on the far left, just as many of your children are doing these drugs, just as many of your brothers and sisters, your mothers and fathers, the teachers at school, are

what's the point? >> sean penn: i think the policy of the war on drugs, which so deeply affects all of our lives, seems not to change. it seems to be so unmovable. and it occurs to me that often, because we want to simplify the problem, and we want to look at a black hat and put our resources into focusing on the bad guy and na-- and-- and-- ju- - and i understand that. i absolutely understand justice and-- and the rule of law. and so i do what i call experiential journalism. i don't have to be the one that reports on the alleged murders or the amount of narcotics that are brought in. company of another human being, which everyone is. and i make an observation and try to parallel that, try to balance that with the focus that we-- that i believe we-- we tend to put too much emphasis on. so, when i understood from colleagues of mine that there was a potential for contact with him, it just struck me that i wanted to-- >> rose: to do what, sean? i mean i don't understand that. because, i mean clearly-- drugs are a huge

>> penn: i assumed they knew about it. and i say so in the article. i was-- i was stunned-- that-- that he would risk our trip. i was stunned. >> rose: el chapo met with them and he agreed to a future meeting including a formal interview with sean penn eight days later. when the manhunt grew more intense, the face-to-face interview became too risky. instead, penn sent a list of questions and el chapo recorded his answers. the questions were not confrontational. they included el chapo growing up in poverty and who he blamed for the drug problem. you understand that a lot of people, a lot of people would have wanted you, in this conversation, in a sense, to see how he would react if you wanted to hold him accountable for his life. >> penn: uh-huh. >> rose: did you-- or? >> penn: it just means that, if somebody wants me to ask the questions that they want me to ask-- >> rose: right. >> penn: well, there's that little problem we run into in life. they're not me. so any experiential-- >> rose: and you had no-- but-- but just tell me this. did you have no in

the "newsroom." el chapo and sean penn. their shocking meeting, the world's most wanted drug lord and an oscar winner deep in a secret mountain hideaway? now mexican authorities want to know where it all happened and when and who's the mexican actress who made it all come together? you're live in the "cnn newsroom." i'm fredricka whitfield. stunning new details in the capture of the world's most wanted man, el chapo guzman, and the secret meeting with a hollywood celebrity that may have led to the drug lord's arrest. after years of planning, after sean penn secured a confidential meeting with the drug kingpin at an undislowe'sed location in mexico to write a feature-length article for roll"rolling stone" magazi magazine. this happened last okt. "rolling stone" also obtained a two-minute video believed to be guzman's first recorded interview in decades. >> penn's meeting was made possible by a mutual connection, mexican actress, kate del castillo. now mexican authorities want to question both actors. it's unclear if there wil

now he's hearing the critics' reviews. sean penn's secret meeting with the world's most wanted drug lord. joaquin chapo guzman. authorities say that meeting which took place while penn was on assignment played a role in el chapo being recaptured on friday. we begin with meg oliver. >> reporter: it's an unassuming backdrop for an interview with the most notorious drug kingpin in the world, the first he has given in decades. the questions come from the cameraman. they're written by actor sean penn who met el chapo for seven hours in october deep in the jungle, convinced chapo to send this tape soon afterward. during the 17-minute recording, responsible for so many drugs in the world? guzman says, no that is false, because the day i don't exist it's not going to decrease 97 way at all. as for drug trafficking, that's false. the interview is a remarkable twist in an already convoluted tale. it was just two days ago mexican authorities raided this seaside hotel and arrested chapo after a long gunfight. then paraded him in front of the came

of of the recapture of el chapo guzman. penn october he secretly met with the drug kingpin after years of planning after sean penn secured a confidential interview with the cartel leader in mexico. to write a feature length article for "rolling stone" magazine, believed to be guzman's first recorded interview in decades. mexican law officials say the meeting and other leads helped authorities capture him friday. but another mexican official tells cnn the government did not know about the penn's interview. penn's meeting was made possibly by mutual connection, mexican actress kate del castillo. the two chartered a plane to undisclosed location and the site was near the durango state of mexico, tamazula. he details the circumstances. penn says el chapo hugged him upon arrival, they ate catered mexican food, drank tequila, talked for several hours. it unclear if there will be any legal fallout for penn's meeting with the noej fugitive. let's talk more about this with annabel hernandez, she's been investigating el chapo for 15 years

now he's hearing the critics' views. sean penn's secret meeting with the lord's most wanted drug lord joaquin chapo guzman. authorities say that meeting while penn was on assignment played a role in el chapo being recaptured on friday. we begin with meg oliver. >> reporter: it's an unassuming backdrop for an interview with in the world, the first he has given in decades. the questions come from the cameraman cameraman. they're written by actor sean penn who met el chapo for seven hours in october deep in the jungle, convinced chapo to send this tape soon afterward. during the 17-minute recording, the questions are asked are you responsible for so many drugs in the world? guzman says no, that is false us bass the day i don't exist it's not going to decrease in any way at all. as for drug trafficking, that's false. the interview is a remarkable twist in an already convoluted tale. it was just two days ago mexican authorities raided this seaside hotel and arrested chapo after a long gunfight. then paraded him in front of the camemes, p

what's the bigger story here, sean penn or el chapo? pigger story is sean penn had an interview with the world's most notorious -- the most notorious drug lord alive and made it the most boring (bleep) interview ever! (cheers and applause) i don't know if i'm going to get fired, but i didn't finish it! (bleep) boring! it was painful! i would have had to have snorted cocaine to get through that damn article! my goodness! it's very revealing as a profile of sean penn. (cheers and applause) exactly. we learn a lot about him passing gas. it's very puzzling. >> larry: it's an odd psychological profile. he just did this, hey, guys, look at my brain. >> go to a sad cafe, have a ham sandwich, i don't want to hear it. >> larry: i can't imagine a journalist talking about something as interesting as this saying, i went to the tree, dick in hand -- why is that detail in there? >> you're talking about el chapo! why are we hearing about you? we know you! we don't even like you! >> larry: that mating thing -- he should have stopped the act a vism at m

while many are criticizing sean penn for meeting with el chapo, the fact is penn's article helped bring the drug kingpin down, so good for him. (cheers and applause) yeah, kind of a good thing. i don't know how much he's clapping about that right now. and we're living in the era of citizen journalists, so let's just appreciate penn's journalistic skills. here's an excerpt from the article's beginning. "i feel naked without pen and paper. so i only ask questions one couldn't forget the answers to..." (laughter) jesus christ, you went to write an article and you forgot the actual instruments of writing? how can you forget to bring a pen? your last name's penn! (laughter) (applause) how did that happen! ahhh! okay. but surely he brought a computer -- "at 55 years old, i've never learned to use a laptop. do they still make laptops? no (bleep) idea!" "do they still make laptops?" in the time it took for you to type this question, you could have requested, like, anyone nearby and gotten an answer. this is literally the exact opposite of investigative journalism. (applause) suddenly, his perfo

the questions come from the cameraman. sean penn who met el chapo for seven hours last october deep in the jungle, and who convinced chapo to send this tape soon afterwards. during the 17 minute recording, the questioner asked, are you responsible for so many drugs in the world. guzman says no, that is false. because the day y don't exist, it's not going to decrease in anyway at all. as for drug trafficking, that's false.ki the interview is a remarkable twist in an already convoluted tale. it was just two days ago mexicango authorities raided this seaside hotel and arrested chapo after a long gun fight. then paraded him in front of the cameras, perhaps to soften theirha embarrassment over his escape from altiplano prison last july. the attorney general said it was actors and producers that lead them to the fugitive. joaquin guzman had the intention of making a biographical film so h he reached out to producers. but this article penn wrote for "rolling stone" posted on their may have been one of the actors. the other was mexican actr

it's high noon in the east. 9:00 in the west. sean penn meeting el chapo. he lands a controversial interview with the mexican druglord. what the fallout could be for penn and the actress who helped make that happen. >>> no maybes? >> no maybes. i'm not leaving. >> you're going straight to the convention. >> maybe that can happen. >> he's in it for the long haul. in a new interview on "meet the press" donald trump talks about what happens if he loses iowa and while he'll not stop talking about former president bill clinton's past. >>> and absolutely gargan tu an. the powerball expected to grow to $1.3 billion. >>> we start this sunday hour with some extraordinary new developments following the arrest of the mexican cartel head known as el chapo. in a twist worthy of a hollywood thriller, sean penn secretly met with joaquin el chapo guzman. he interviewed him just a few months before guzman's friday night arrest. now the article written by penn was published on rolling stone's website last night. the druglord in that interview answering questions on video that

in the article, penn describes the crazy and risky journey he took. two flights, a 90-minute ride, a bumpy seven-hour drive through the jungle. finally there he is right beside the truck, the world's most famous fugitive, el chapo. says guzman proudly acknowledged his business, saying, i supply more heroin, methamphetamine, cocaine, and marijuana than anybody else in the world. penn writes he was sure he was being tracked by the government and says just hours after their meeting, law enforcement raided the hideout and guzman had to flee. he agreed to tape an interview later if penn sent questions by blackberry. in the tape sent back to penn guzman defends his work saying, where i grew up there was no other way and there still isn't a way to survive. no other way to work on our economy, to be able to make a living. the interpreter also asked, are you prone to violence or do you use it as a last resort? guzman responds, look, all i do is defend myself, nothing more. do i start trouble? never. mexican authorities would of course disagree. it is believed

and now he's hearing the critics' reviews. sean penn's secret meeting with the world's most wanted drug lord joaquin el chapo guzman. mexican authorities say that meeting which took place while penn was on assignment for "rolling stone" played a role in el chapo being recaptured on friday. we begin tonight with meg oliver >> it's an unassuming back drop for an interview with the most notorious drug kingpin in the world. kas. cameraman. but they are written by actor sean penn who met el chapo for seven hours last october deep in the jungle, and who convinced chapo to send this tape soon afterwards. during the 17 minute recording, the questioner asked, are you responsible for so many drugs in the world. guzman says no, that is false. because the day i don't exist, it's not going to decrease in anyway at all. the interview is a remarkable lawsuited tale. it was just two days ago mexican authorities raided this seaside hotel and arrested chapo after a long gun fight. then paraded him in front of the cameras, perhaps to soften their embarrassm

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