he's the person, the personification, the same kind of movement. chris: i got a question from trish rage -- regan. and steve schmitt saw what was coming and he said i realized we were running against a continuation of the kennedy campaign, the good part drove obama to the white house. what do you think? >> i don't think that. i think that obama was able to harness this new generation of people that actually didn't have so many ties to woodstock. so some of the woodstock generation and the issues of that, were were put aside in favor of these. >> >> they were anti-establishment, anti-to the -- to the bush administration represented that mentality that was sort of part of -- >> it is a new version of that because it wasn't harkinning back to a very -- a very new version with the young people that were -- >> had did say, obama said i'm not going to get into the baby boomer battles, where 9 counterculture and main culture. i'm beyond that. the yucker supporters felt that too. those are not my wars or battles. >> that's why he was able to beat hillary.

i think ted kennedy is the personification, if you will, of post-1960s liberalism, but i think the kennedys are more should be taken together as a family, as a 50-year history, as an evolution from the austere, the aristocratic john f. kennedy, a conservative democrat, to the fiery passionate bobby kennedy who turned anti-war, to teddy kennedy who voted for the tonkin go gulf resolution and became the face of liberalism for 40 years. i think in that sense, i think -- i think you can talk about an age of reagan that is hard to talk about an age of edward kennedy, i think, because he belongs to the congress of the united states and we live in a time of presidential government. the congressional government of clay, calhoun and webster, that's long gone. >> do you agree with that? >> it is long gone, partly because of john kennedy who wanted to turn the oval office into what he called the vital center of action. and there is no question, i think pat is right that you have to take the family as a whole and in that family you see the evolution of american history, as you look at these faces, his

. >> yeah, teddy was the man, and he is the personification of what i think bobby and john ultimately wanted. and i'm sure that they are very pleased with his stewardship. >> and as we're watching and as we're chatting, vernon, patrick kennedy, his son, who, of course, has had his own challenges, the rhode island congressman who has acknowledged that he has had relapses at times and has been in and out of treatment for substance abuse, this next generation has its big challenges. his daughter, of course, had struggled in 2002 with lung cancer, successfully overcoming that. and in fact, the funeral service on saturday will be held in the basilica where senator kennedy went daily to pray for his daughter's recovery. in this last battle, as you've observed over this past terrible year, it was a year ago this week that he spoke at the democratic convention. when you watched the transition as he joined the obama campaign back in january, january of '08, and then was such an important speaker at the convention and said that he was going to be there on january 20th, he was there, of course,

the try to inspire people by saying that person is the personification of that political party. host: our guest will be here with us for just under one hour. if you want to call in, called this. we have lots more from our guests, but we wanted to hear from the speaker herself. she held a news conference on friday afternoon. here is a minute from that. what she saw as the accomplishments of the session so far. >> to we are this week in committee about to move closer to health care reform than ever in history. when we have our third committee report on the bill. on that note in passing the renewed csh for clunkers legislation, we go home in august to promote health care reform and informed the public of the considerable accomplishments of this congress. right from the start we passed an economic recovery package, the largest in history. 100 days later, we passed the president's budget. in between the president signed legislation ,schip for children, lilly ledbetter. our colleagues will address these more specifically. we have the economic recovery act to begin with, helping americ

the try to inspire people by saying that person is the personification of that political party.ost: our guest will be here with us for just under one hour. if you want to call in, called this. we have lots more from our guests, but we wanted to hear from the speaker herself. she held a news conference on friday afternoon. here is a minute from that. what she saw as the accomplishments of the session so far. >> to we are this week in committee about to move closer to health care reform than ever in history. when we have our third committee report on the bill. on that note in passing the renewed csh for clunkers legislation, we go home in august to promote health care reform and informed the public of the considerable accomplishments of this congress. right from the start we passed an economic recovery package, the largest in history. 100 days later, we passed the president's budget. in between the president signed legislation ,schip for children, lilly ledbetter. our colleagues will address these more specifically. we have the economic recovery act to begin with, helping american

. >> but you're like the personification of what bob is saying, right? there are people seeing the train leave and they're like, wait for me sglshths. >> no, not necessarily. if what bob is saying is correct and we have a textbook recovery, that it's something that takes roots, it goes on for many years, if that is the case, there's going to get -- >> it's hard to image we'll have a fex book recovery when we've had a nontextbook crisis, don't you think? >> well, that's one thing we've been keying on, we've been keying in on credit markets and the expansion of role of debt and inflation that can occur when an economy becomes overindebted when creditors and borrowers together decide they don't want to take on more debt. there are inflationary implications to that which you can see now. you have debt falling for the first time in 70 years. you have prices falling in the country for the first time since world war ii. and you have incomes in aggregate falling for the first time. all of those things -- excuse me, all of this things when coupled with the things

the history books by taking a pact with ted kennedy. shepard: there is vitriolic coming from some today. he was set up as a personification of evil democrat to the conservative right. it would be embarrassing to read some of the e-mails we have received about him. it is all over the internet today. what was it that build and sustain that for such a long time? for him to be such a punching bag? >> remember, the south in the early 1960's was very democratic. the assassination of john f. kennedy in dallas, the smashing of jim crow -- ted kennedy and bobby kennedy -- bobby kennedy had an ambivalent reputation amongst the civil-rights community, but ted kennedy was red, white, and blue civil rights activist. during the desegregation of the south, many white southerners thought that ted kennedy was the enemy, that he was on the wrong side of things. that he was from massachusetts and did not understand the southern way. that region of the country has always seen him as a northern liberal that did not understand southern values. shepard: douglas, thank you. many questions today as to why hundreds of thousands of dollars in gover

is he was basically the equivalent of being -- and i think everyone knows what is in that chapter but quickly is that single motherhood is -- single mothers are held personifications of victims and how will this policy or that policy affect single mothers when they're the biggest victimizers of all and of their children and their children victimized society when they become criminals and go on welfare and there's a lot of data in that chapter by talked a lot about that, and one of the interesting things i found in researching that chapter is adopted children turn out better than on adopted children so am on wed children has two choices, the best possible life or the worst possible life chances obviously some overcoming but your body and your child the worst lottery ticket by raising a child without a father. barack obama was essentially the equivalent of about it, he was raised by his grandparents and that does turn out fine and he does seem to be the most well adjusted, the least victimized. curiously he had the most street crowd of the presidential candidates he is probably the least victimized. hillary victimized by her own husband, mccain of course, barack oba