up the afghan police. moreover, their presence and the way they conduct themselves provides up corporate professional model, an ethical models of how a police officer should conduct himself in performing civil police think operations. as the ministry -- i believe the government contractors that we have worked with discuss various issues related to the development of those ministers over last several years. they're exceptionally well qualified. these are major challenges of course in terms of building up these ministries. it is for them to have the capability to manage themselves and to manage the army and police respectively. that is without giving any specific company names. they are capable of mobilizing the special expertise, these unique skill sets to perform a critical mission such as that. i was about to add that there is a limitation, i understand, in terms of the embedding of police trainers and it is due to the security requirements of limitations in the wake of their contracts are written or the w

the civilian police or civpol program in the different countries you are talking about those two policesides dying court -- besides dyncorp, are there other contractors in the civpol that do that major trading? reaching tarining? >> there are others who hold an umbrella contract. we allow those 3 to bid on individual tasks under the various contractçó opportunitie. >> what are those three? >> this is a closed book test. civilian police internationl and pacific architectures and engineers rejected think is a subdivision of lockheed martin -- and engineers, i think it is a subdivision of lockheed martin. >> i'm trying to figure out what your people do. the contract that is going to be given out is done by the space and missile -- the handling of the contract for the next contractor to do the training for the afghan national police is going to be done by the space and missile defense command in huntsville. what do they do there? >> the space and missile defense command actually conducts the contract work and self. the senior contracts and officers there -- >> substantively, what kind of co

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to think that they help. >> now, the police, in fact, have been long in the business of racial profiling too. police have been in lots of different businesses through the years. i do not use the word "racist," and you didn't hear me use it today. but i do say that there is nothing journalistically precise, fundamental to what we do, about calling someone "hispanic." >> ogletree: why are you so thin skinned about a journalist trying to report what they know? and you're prepared to draw some conclusions that this may be racially sensitive. they're trying to give the public information. that's what journalists do. >> i am also a stakeholder in this decision. i don't know what race you are, but i am black. my son is black. my son is a black male. he's 16 years old. when he gets into a car on friday night and goes to the mall with his other three black male friends and the police or the newspaper or the television station releases a description that is that thin, the possibility that my black male son and his three black male friends are going to get pulled over by police at night in a situat

the police training program faces many challenges. tion, low pay and high casualties. this is difficult work, but it is essential. you know the importance of building an afghan security force in terms of meeting goals and afghanistan. the taliban understands as well. they see the police as a serious threat to taliban control abilities. it is reflected in the vicious and successful attacks on the police. four times the number of afghan police have last their lives as much as soldiers. -- have lost their lives. as i said earlier, we have faced many lessons over the six years. we have learned and incorporated them into our training curriculum. drawing on my experience as program manager, i am included eight recommendations and would like to highlight five. -- i have included eight recommendations. the numbers train is an ineffective metric for determining capability of the afghan national police. increased the capacity of the regional training centers and expand afghan instructors and advisers. afghanistan needs more police recruits and t

evidence rooms and never make it to the lab and & it does no good. police officers have to understand the importance of testing this vital evidence. they must learn when testing is appropriate and necessary. in too many jurisdictions, rape victims go through a further hardship to take these samples. did will help law enforcement get criminals on the street and they just sit on these untested and it is unacceptable in any jurisdiction. the backlog problems in some jurisdictions show that we're the victims of our own success. the effectiveness of d.n.a. testing and more and more samples and more and more cases are vent to forensic labs. law enforcement also faces difficult questions of priorities when there are limited resources. so we're beginning to learn of possible solutions to these different dynamics. there must be national standard and protocols and best practices given clear guidance to police officers about when kits and other relevant d.n.a. should go to labs. every jurisdiction must have real incentives to provide come pe competence in training and

one is the police and the buildup of the afghan police, and also the militia, the local tribal militias. in particular with regard to the police, and i know this may -- this may be a question for one of your -- all three of you. in washington, numbers get attached to issues. and we keep hearing over and over again, and now i doubt the accuracy of this number, that's why i bring it up, 92,000 afghan police and general mcchrystal hopes we can get that to 160,000. hearing a lot lately about the 92,000 being way, way off in terms of police that are -- will need to -- that are trained now. by one estimate, only 24,000 have completed formal training and the attrition rate is 25%. if either of those statements are true, it creates all kinds of challenges and big problems. i guess, general, i would ask you, ambassador eikenberry, i would ask you what can you tell us about the accuracy of those numbers, number one. number two, law enforcement in iraq that can be applied here or not, maybe it is a different challenge. >> yeah, just as senator, two points and then i'll turn to general petraeus, i

>> i will address the police side of that. ve the fidelity or the clarity with what they're going to do with training the afghan national police. as i see the buildup, as i mentioned earlier, i think the important pieces of being able to drive additional resources from the grass-roots level, we have the capability to be able to ramp up with the military as they choose to the portions of the force. i think it is doable over time. yes, sir. >> thank you. >> we are fighting on the ground right now. the forces in the theater make sure there are no redundancy with the field of forces. that is something we look at with the command. physicians can be moved or eliminated. -- positions can be moved. >> there are two arguments. there is getting the personnel into the theater as well as the staging and moving them to the various locations. i think there is a significant number of personnel available to do this based on the people we see that applied. the people that we seeçó that express interest in going. life-support downrange in the ca

and then about the segment of the police in afghanistan. he training of the police in afghanistan? go ahead. caller: they are all heroin addicted. i mean, we trained the etoile event in the first place. favre host: political stories of the year -- host: favorite political stories of the year, here is mike, go ahead. caller: yes, on the health care deal, i guess i have a hard time understanding why the democrats feel that -- or anyone can feel that this health care beabill, increasing it by trillions of dollars is going to decrease the deficit. host: your favorite political story of the year until 7:30 a.m. eastern. arianna huffington writes in her column at the huffington opposed.com. -- huffingtonpost.com. and she writes that for many congressman, mitch mcconnell and others she is going to give them a dvd of "mr. smith goes to washington" so they can see the proper use of a filibuster. next caller from alabama, go ahead. caller: the overall, 60% unfavorable opinion of the health care bill, and the democrats have still forced it through. the

she's the commander of the miami-dade police crime laboratory bureau. as head of the lab, she oversees forensic labs that test control substances, trace evidence, biological evidences, firearms. she's a nationally-recognized leader and has lectured the american prosecutors research institute, the national institute of justice, and the international association chiefs of police. she has also taught as an adjunct professor of forensic biology at florida international university and is a current board member of the american society of crime laboratory directors. she received her masters from florida international university. stephanie. >> good morning. i would say, mr. chairman, members of the committee, as stated my name is stephanie stoilo,ff, and i am responsible for the managing operation of a full-service laboratory. in addition to my duties as crime laboratory directer, i also sit on the board of the american society of crime laboratory directors which represents the interests of over 500 crime laboratory directors throughout the united states and ove

if we are restructuring the police, they have to have the ability to pay the police. those are the first that. they also have to begin to recognize that they have to build this infrastructure, bill the economy. -- build the economy. they have to be competent, not corrupt. >> we do support including some kind of benchmarks in the bill? >> i would expect that there would be benchmarks. those benchmarks were generally helpful, because they establish a framework. there is a clear understanding. in the iraq experience, even when we were unsuccessful, they were able to communicate to the iraqi government that we were very serious. if you do not see any outcomes of increased productivity -- this dynamic is helpful. what is fundamental to counterinsurgency operation is that military operations will buy time to develop civilian capacity. >> how concerned are you about the strain on u.s. forces for repeated deployments of 89 years? >> the strain has been significant. -- deployments of eight or nine years. >> there is a much more dependable dwell. after deployment. one officer so

the police force is at about 90,000 at the moment. it will have to be improved by police trainers, and we will need more police on the ground as well. that is the way forward for afghanistan. i would say to him again that decisions about the location of troops are a matter for commanders on the ground, but we work in close partnership with the americans, and our decisions are taken with the rest of the alliance. >> mr. david cameron. >> i am grateful for that answer, and for discussing this issue. >> oh! >> no, honestly, this is an important point, and i do believe it has to be sorted out. crucially, there are political elements to this decision, and what i am saying to him is that he will have our support if he makes those decisions. let me turn to a completely different subject. tomorrow the house of commons will be publishing the details of members' second home allowances for the financial year 2008-09. that is a vital part of the process of rebuilding trust in this place, which everyone wants to happen. as of yesterday, the plans w

and then about the segment of the police in afghanistan. host: the training of the police in afghanistan? go ahead. caller: they are all heroin addicted. i mean, we trained the etoile event in the first place. favre host: political stories of the year -- host: favorite political stories of the year, here is mike, go ahead. caller: yes, on the health care deal, i guess i have a hard time understanding why the democrats feel that -- or anyone can feel that this health care beabill, increasing it by trillions of dollars is going to decrease the deficit. host: your favorite political story of the year until 7:30 a.m. eastern. arianna huffington writes in her column at the huffington opposed.com. -- huffingtonpost.com. and she writes that for many congressman, mitch mcconnell and others she is going to give them a dvd of "mr. smith goes to washington" so they can see the proper use of a filibuster. next caller from alabama, go ahead. caller: the overall, 60% unfavorable opinion of the health care bill, and the democrats have still forced it throu

evidence rooms and never make it to the lab and & it does no good. police officers have to understand the importance of testing this vital evidence. they must learn when testing is appropriate and necessary. in too many jurisdictions, rape victims go through a further hardship to take these samples. did will help law enforcement get criminals on the street and they just sit on these untested and it is unacceptable in any jurisdiction. the backlog problems in some jurisdictions show that we're the victims of our own success. the effectiveness of d.n.a. testing and more and more samples and more and more cases are vent to forensic labs. law enforcement also faces difficult questions of priorities when there are limited resources. so we're beginning to learn of possible solutions to these different dynamics. there must be national standard and protocols and best practices given clear guidance to police officers about when kits and other relevant d.n.a. should go to labs. every jurisdiction must have real incentives to provide come pe competence in training and

in the police would not be really out of range for that part of the world for standing armies and police. but, i think we need to view that not as a hard number at this point but as a goal we work toward and adjust constantly. the president's decision is to grow those forces, like we're growing the army to 134,000 by next fall, and we'll clearly continue to grow the police but to re-look that every year will allow us to reflect what the state of the insurgency is and then, of course, what their ability to grow is, can they make those numbers? we're getting some very heartening feedback here recently there have been pay raises for both the army and the police implemented by the government of afghanistan, with our -- the international community's help and we're seeing a significant improvement. but, we've got to see whether that's sustainable long term. >> okay. and you recognize that our goal is to make it the afghans protecting their own neighborhood and that's -- you share that and the president i know shares it and i know congress does. general mcchrystal in your testify you write addi

the government has provided additional advice to the police and also funding to the association of police officers to help train officers in dangers dog legislation that this was an event that should not occur and will do everything in our power to make sure it doesn't happen. >> david cameron? >> thank you, mr. speaker. can i join the prime minister in paying tribute to lance corporal adam who was killed in afghanistan on monday. the 100 military casualties is sure is a very sad milestone that we should honor his memory. we should help his family. as the prime minister and i have both think of when we speak to our troops in afghanistan, it is not simply a pity there after but support, not just what they're doing but for the mission they are engaged in. and in my view they are every bit the equal of those men who stormed the beaches of normandy or father way across africa and the second world war. we should be proud of what they are doing. the new counterinsurgency strategy and the extra troops are announced by america lastly, do show that we have the last best chance to get this right. d

in the police would not be really out of range for that part of the world for standing armies and police but, i think we need to view that not as a hard number at this point but as a goal we work toward and adjust constantly. the president's decision is to grow those forces, like we're growing the army to 134,000 by next fall, and we'll clearly continue to grow the police but to re-look that every year will allow us to reflect what the state of the insurgency is and then, of course, what their ability to grow is, can they make those numbers? we're getting some very heartening feedback here recently there have been pay raises for both the army and the police implemented by the government of afghanistan, with our -- the international community's help and we're seeing a significant improvement. but, we've got to see whether that's sustainable long term. >> okay. and you recognize that our goal is to make it the afghans protecting their own neighborhood and that's -- you share that and the president i know shares it and i know congress does. general mcchrystal in your testify you write addit

- have the ability to pay the police. d they have to recognize they have to build this infrastructure. build the economy and have to start and build out. and they have to be competent, not corrupt. and the test has to be competence not who do you know when pay. >> would you support including some kind of benchmarks like this the funding bill? >> i would expect there would be benchmarks. and those benchmarks are generally helpful. because they establish sort of a framework, there is a clear understanding. and i know in the iraq experience, we were attempting to do that, but when unsuccessful. the ambassador could communicate to the iraq government, and wait a minute, they are serious. this dynamic is helpful, not hurtful. >> both politically and militarily side, there would be benchmarks? >> yes, one thing that is fundamental to the insurgence is for the military to develop capacity. >> how concerned are you for the military deployments over the forces over the eight to nine years? >> the strain is significant, we owe a gre

backgrounds training the police or military training the police? are we going to end up with a paramilitary police force? >> it's a combination. policemen have been hired, european partners, and some military as well. >> ambassador, back to you, on the smart power issue, and i'm a big proponent of that, i've talked with the secretary of state about this. we saw the investments of the housing that got involved in corruption and $8 million, other anecdotal stories where money has been wasted, housing has been occupied, it's been substandard. what efforts are we pursuing to protect those kinds of investments in infrastructure? >> we have many, let me highlight two. first of all, in terms of how we're contracting, we think we're designing contracts in a much better way than improved performance and transparency. second, in terms of audit and oversight, have many means for that. i want to emphasize that we think the most important is exactly with the united states congress. as you know, you have the special investigator for afghanistan reconstruction, w

one is the police and the buildup of the afghan police, and also the militia, the local tribal militiasn particular with regard to the police, and i know this may -- this may be a question for one of your -- all three of you. in washington, numbers get attached to issues. and we keep hearing over and over again, and now i doubt the accuracy of this number, that's why i bring it up, 92,000 afghan police and general mcchrystal hopes we can get that to 160,000. hearing a lot lately about the 92,000 being way, way off in terms of police that are -- will need to -- that are trained now. by one estimate, only 24,000 have completed formal training and the attrition rate is 25%. if either of those statements are true, it creates all kinds of challenges and big problems. i guess, general, i would ask you, ambassador eikenberry, i would ask you what can you tell us about the accuracy of those numbers, number one. number two, law enforcement in iraq that can be applied here or not, maybe it is a different challenge. >> yeah, just as senator, two points and then i'll turn to general petraeus, i kno

does the priorityization need to take place more at the lab or more at the investigative side in the police prosecute's office? i don't know the answer to the question, or do we need priorityization at both points? >> at least from my point it is not at the lab. the labs that i deal with are properly prioritizing. the problems is the priority isation within the police department and some within the prosecutor's department. >> that's the area? >> that's the area. and when we have changed that and we get more kits, we do get better results. and i want to briefly comment on police making that determination about whether a victim's credible or not. many victims are most vulnerable victims are homeless and a chemical dependency problem or some other problem, possibly mentally ill problem and so they are preyed on and we need to get those victims d.n.a. results into our data base as well. they can be linked to other cases and we have done that on a number of occasions and been able to prosecute cases where we have gotten multip am hits. >> -- multiple hits. i have a minute or so left. one is, do

so when you hear reports today by the sheriff saying or the police department saying that they want to get a search warrant for the blood records or for the injuries, well, that is two-fold. they may want to see the injuries to see if they're consistent with a traffic accident. >> larry: he's not an elected official, not a minister taking people's money. does he owe speaking at all? >> you know, he has every right to say, no thank you. i don't wish to talk. i'm a private citizen. and unless and until i'm charged and have to speak in court, i'm going to shut up. but he also has to understand he's a bazillion dollar brand. he's worth hundreds of millions of dollars in sponsorships and endorsements. his brand has a chance to be tarnished. you have to balance the potential criminal charges and the fact that you want to save your brand. i think there's a happy medium, larry. that's what he's not doing. right now his silence has become the story. and very easily, he could call you and say my wife and i had an argument, i went out in anger, i drove the car in a fire hydrant, i'm an idiot. and

she cries hysterically, asking you not to call the police. but you know that this is the right thing to do. you call the police and she is asked calloused -- asked countless questions. you watch her try to struggle to make sense out of what has just changed her life so completely. this hurts beyond measure. you feel helpless, wanting to take away the pain. and a search began. there has to be something that you can do to make this better or easier. but the search is in vain. you convince her to go to the hospital to have the only visible evidence taken. she is begging you not to make her go. but you have to deny this, and you are hoping that your help the bird to do the things that she would do, decisions that she would make if she was able. this is what you have been told is the right thing to do. as you are going into the hospital, you try to make her understand that this is necessary. this is the only way to catch him and prevent him from hurting anyone else. she is walking like a frightened child. she hears you tell the receptionist that sh

the second issue is that security in the city is led by[e police and army. ere is a lot of influence in this city from the surrounding areas, within the city, it is fair to say that over the last 16-80 months, the evidence national security forces showed increased capability in the city. we saw a lot of interaction, absolutely. the insurgents still have an influence. overall, we saw an increase capability to deliver security to ghana city. if you bring the afghans to a point where they can take the lead in security, my experience is that they will not let you down. i think it is a key issue to have a bottom-up approach regarding governments and r &d. >> how long do think it will take to degrade the taliban to a point where they are no longer influential? >> that is a great question. i could talk for hours about that. the first question is, who is the television? Ñi-- who is the taliban? they will always have an influence. they were never reconcile or read the great. on the other side of the spectrum, you have the $10 per day taliban who are paid to work for t

the police training program faces many challenges. low literacy rates, drug use, issues of corruption, low pay and high casualties. this is difficult work, but it is essential. you know the importance of building an afghan security force in terms of meeting goals and afghanistan. the taliban understands as well. they see the police as a serious threat to taliban control abilities. it is reflected in the vicious and successful attacks on the police. four times the number of afghan police have last their lives as much as soldiers. -- have lost their lives. as i said earlier, we have faced many lessons over the six years. we have learned and incorporated them into our training curriculum. drawing on my experience as program manager, i am included eight recommendations and would like to highlight five. -- i have included eight recommendations. the numbers train is an ineffective metric for determining capability of the afghan national police. increased the capacity of the regional training centers and expand afghan instructors and advisers

i say, move into the new police headquarters. i say, assign permanent veto to tagalong with the fbi. keep them engaged. you had a huge fight inside. you had to have a real wrestling match. do we cooperate or do we not? we had to get the lawyers ready. it is still a terrible time, but it was a particularly terrible time. in the middle of that, you engaged in a discussion with her family and you came up with we are going to engage. now it is going to be like a marriage. there are going to be days when you will kick them out of the house and not talk to them because you're angry with them and there will be days that you come back and come back to the table and work it out. however you need us to help -- i am not going to presume that can help -- bring as and when every need s, the rest of us. but, together, we have to make sure that law enforcement is engaging with the muslim community, the immigrant muslim committee, all the different communities because there are so many of them and i do not know all of them. law enforcement is sti

on the afghan national police, is less. because the level of training in the commitment we have had over time is much new work and much more in mature. -- much newer and much more immature. they have a few drug problems and other things. >> on the military side, are the taliban paying their soldiers more than we are paying afghan troops? >> there is no set pay scale, but by our intelligence, they pay the equivalent of $300 u.s. a month, and that is higher than we are paying afghan army recruits. >> do we intend to ratchet that pay up to compete financially with the taliban? >> in coordination with the government of afghan, we almost doubled that pay. is that parity now. it is less than $300 a month but it is much closer. >> i like to go through some benchmarks relative to the training numbers. my understanding that you want to get to 240,000 military, 160,000 police. you indicated to senator mccain that you are still on the timeline of 2013 of accomplishing those numbers. but looking where we are today and that in 2010, you

-- i'm sorry, the army and the police. analytical side of this and that goal looks about right. but it's also going to depend on how security is going. if we are able to turn this around from a momentum standpoint that will provide the breathing space, the opportunity to recruit more, bring more in, train more and develop more quickly. i'm confident this approach as we go year to year, having that aspirational goal out there is the right approach. right now, we have to focus on what we have directly in front of us and make sure we succeed over the next 12 months. >> the authorized force now is 134,000? >> yes. >> and that's the goal to be at a year from now? >> we will assess it and move it up each year. we have to see where we are. >> could we get from you where that goal will be or ask general mcchrystal -- you say it is 134,000. what will the goal be by july, 2011. >> september 30 of 2011, it's 171,000 for the army. we have each goal. but that goal will be tied to the realities of what we experience over the next 12 mon

where were the police? she said later he had given him the day off so they could spend it with their mothers. after these two tax the freedom rides basically collapsed. but the effort was revived by reinforcements from the national student movement. i'm skipping over a lot of history here that you can read in the book freedom rides and other books like developer stan's, "the children,," and rip will talk about this when he gets up here. but national was one of the preeminent movements in the south of the civil rights movement and they recognize the danger and immediately after these two tax they started sending people into montgomery. i'm sorry, to birmingham, to keep the light coming. and about a week later, on the 20th of may, the bride's pressed on to montgomery. once again, when they arrived at the station, the police were nowhere to be found. and the riders were left alone to face the mall. john lewis was hit in the head with a coca-cola crete, reporters also attacked in john seigenthaler, who led the

accelerateing the growth of the afghan national army and police, is vitally important. t we're also looking, as i suggested in my remarks at local forces as well. partnering with local security forces, so there are, there is more than just the afghan national police and national army in this mix. the plan yearly is that we will responsibility to the afghans until the afghans have the capacity in that district or that province to be able to manage the security situation on their own. with us and our allies initially in a tactical watch and strategic over watch situation. the reality is set the circumstances in iraq differ from province to province. the difficulty will depend on the circumstances in each of these areas. in sum, it will take your afghans. a big part of this is additional training will put more and more afghans into the site and into a position where they can take responsibility for security. one of the purposes of the u.s. going in with additional forces is not just to partner with the afghans or to train the afghans, but to degrade the capabilities. you ha

my first job was attorney for the police department. i spent time in the memphis police department and i relate to those that are suffering. i urge all my colleagues to support this resolution and i reserve the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves. the gentleman from tennessee. texas. mr. poe: thank you, mr. speaker. i yield myself such time as i may consume. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. poe: first of all, i want to thank the gentleman from washington, mr. smith, for sponsoring this important legislation, and i rise in support of house resolution 939. this resolution extends our condolences to the families of sergeant mark renninger, officer tina griswold, officer ronald owens, and officer greg richards. these four police officers were members of the lakewood, washington, police department and were ambushed by gunfire in a murderous act of violence on november 29, 2009. these four officers were in uniform and sitting at a table in a coffee shop near their patrol area. they were

>> indeed while i was interviewed by the police, i was told that i face life imprisonment. >> you takethat serious? >> i thought it was ludicrous, the circumstances i thought might be laughable but not humorous at that point. >> a few days later it was by the speaker, michael martin, he admitted there was serious failings and admitted to allowing the police on the parliament premises without a warrant and without consulting him. >> before i decided there was no one, i thought that the search was authorized by a search warrant. this seemed to me to be so basic that i did not ask the sergeant when i was told of the search warrant on 21st of november. >> on the second of december he held a meeting and found out that they knew about this for a week before the search. >> i asked the sergeant why she conducted in this manner. the [inaudible] had done business with the sergeant and to keep the matter from her immediate superiors. >> and he continues. >> i have been an mp and an area that can have difficults for years, and never has anyone come and spoke to me and said that my house was search

and this was the so-called ringleader of the conspiracy, seen here on police evidencetesting a cell phone triggered detonator. >> he knew it would cause chaos, destruction. he timed it so he wanted to do it around 9/11. he wanted it to have the maximum effect on the canadian psyche and the public psyche and that is where the strength of terrorism lies. shaikh, a muslim youth director in toronto infiltrated the group, most of them teenagers. he calls them high school friends who had played soccer together. had been involved with afterschool muslim youth groups. he said they begun looking at perceived injustice towards muslims around the world. he says his followers became homegrown terrorists bent on killing in hopes they would become famous among their heroes. osama bin laden, the taliban and radical clerk anwar al alwaki. >> some have termed them jihad iflts. they are online and then it is a cause for celebration when one goes and does something. >> toronto's police chief, bill blair, the toronto 18 is the new and growing threat of terror. >> it is one thing to keep a

i think there is a lack of understanding whether you have the old school police who believe that thenvestigation should solve every crime and the realization that what physical evidence can actually do to solve a case i think is one side of it and you have the new recruits, as they come in, it should be mandated if they go through training. >> before my time runs out, you see it from the prosecutor's point of view. what do you think of this, having a uniform standard for when dna gets turned over to the lab, national training? are these things helpful? canada beat one size fits all? >> i don't think so but i do think that some kind of national standard for best practices would beéc something that woule very valuable to law enforcement. even in henrico county, there is significant differences between what the police departments to to send to the laboratories. also comes down to the people who collect the actual evidence. we have done more to bring those standards together so we haven't even policy across our law enforcement agencies in hennepin county. i think that trading would be h

but i don't want to, you know, fault the police department too much, but i think -- >> that's the area where the prioritization -- >> that's the area. and when we have changed that prioritization and we get more kits, we do, we do get better results. and i want to just briefly comment on police making that determination about b whether a victim's credible or not. many victims are most vulnerable victims are homeless, they have a chemical dependency problem or they have some other problem, possibly mentally ill problem. so they're preyed on. and we need to get those victims' dna results into our database as well. they can be linked to other cases, and we've done that on a number of occasions and been able to prosecute cases where we've gotten multiple hits. >> i have just a minute or so left and two more questions. one is do any of you fear that a broader regime of mandatory dna testing would test the capacity of the private laboratories to run the dna, or is there not that kind of a capacity problem? >> there is definitely a capacity problem. all laboratories nationwide have a capacity

everything we have heard about the iraqi people police force, that was unrealistic. ow was the unreality of expectations in london looked at? it must become apparent as soon as you go to baghdad, the role the peace force had played an outdated the paramilitary force was and how difficult it would be to build up anything for iraqi society effectively. >> it must have been just as difficult for london as a was for me in baghdad. i took the approach that if i disagree with something that was happening on the ground and was trying to change it, that i would not go weeping to london about it and ask them to get washington to persuade ambassador bremer to do something differently. it was my job to persuade our ambassador bremer or we had to go along with decisions. london had a limited capacity and which to disagree with washington because washington was in the lead. we had a relatively poor input into pentagon decision making about which you have heard from other witnesses. therefore, there was a sense of frustration in london that we could not always persuade the american

in the police would not be really out of range for that part of the world for standing armies and policei think we need to do that not as a hard number at this point, but as a goal we work toward, and at just constantly. the president's decision is to grow those forces like we are going to army to 134,000 by next fall. and we will clearly continue to grow the police. but to relook that every year will allow us to reflect what the state of the insurgency is, and then of course what their ability to grow is, can they make those numbers. we're getting some very heartening feedback you recently. there have been pay raises for both the army and the police, and with our international committees help and we are seeing a significant improvement. but we've got to see whether that is sustainable long-term. >> and you recognize that our goal is to make it the afghans protecting their own neighborhood, and you share that and the present i know shares it, i know congress does to general mcchrystal, and your testimony you write additional force will be deployed shortly. by this time next year, the sec

>> while i was being interviewed by the police i was told i faced life imprisonment. so they -- i thought it was ludicrous. in the circumstances -- in other circumstances, i thought it -- i would have thought it was laughable but the situation is not very humorous. >> a few days later, it was the turn of mark martin to give evidence. he said it was a mistake to allow police on the premises without a warrant and without consulting him. >> i had assumed the search was authorized by a search warrant. this seemed to be -- to me to be so basic that i didn't ask the sergeant about the warrant when i was told of a search on the 27th of november. >> on 2nd december, the speaker held a meeting to discover what went on. joe had known about the police investigation were weeking before the search. >> during the course of a meeting on 2nd november, i asked why she had conducted herself in the manner. the clerk of the house intervened to say she had bamboozled the sergeant and tricked her into keeping the matter from her immediate superiors. >> and the continue -- he continues. >> a

why the police were not able to i don't know. that is the first issue, can they find the people they believe did it. if so, then they can consider whether it is a hate crime. the hate crime issue i'm not an attorney, my understanding is that hate crimes can be committed against white people as well as people of color, too. typically for a long time in our history many hate crimes had been committed against people of color but i don't believe the legislation limits it in that way. we would are to look into that more. host: our guest is mark mauer with the sentencing project. mike is joining us from sacramento, california. what is your story, mike? caller: i'm an inmate, or i used to be an enmate. i think that part of the problem is when you go in there you can't get anything. you can't get any education. you can't get any job help, any nothing. so, when you get out you have nothing and you go back to nothi nothing. you get out here and you don't have money, you go right back to doing the same thing you were doing before. people don

the police are immediately suspicious, but he claims he's an innocent banana seller. the amazon, guilt and innocence, hard to tell apart. he argues with the policewoman, lecturing her on how the cops shouldn't be wasting their time on operations like this but should be after the big fish, who get away with destroying the forest by paying huge bribes, he says. brazil is pretty pleased that only 2,700 square miles of the amazon rainforest was chopped down in the first eight months of this year. that's the lowest on record and half as much as last year. but brazil still leads the world in acreage lost. around the tropics, the felling and burning of rainforest releases more greenhouse gases than all the worlds ships, trains, planes and automobiles put together. >> lehrer: next, assessing the tenure of federal reserve chairman ben bernanke as a senate committee prepares to vote on a second term. "newshour" correspondent kwame holman begins with this report. >> reporter: the federal reserve kept interest rates at historic lows today-- near zero-- and in a statement, it repo

general bob livingston, training the afghan police and army units. the largest deployment from our state. 1,600 troops since world war ii. general, i agree with you, that the persons who serve there are very grateful and proud at their service. and they developed a great bond with the people of afghanistan. and identified them as afghan brothers. i also have another identification with the two of you. i began my military career in the 1970s. and i believe just as both of you stated that we have the best troops ever. i know this firsthand. visiting fort jackson, i represent parris island, marine corps station, buford naval hospital, and then i'm also grateful, i have four sons currently serving in the military. so these truly are the best troops ever. and we want to back you up in every way we can with equipment and support. and i'm honored to serve with susan davis, military personnel backup families. general, the president set july 2011 as when the u.s. troops will begin to redeploy out of afghanistan. is this a conditions-based target that will be a

the afghan police are a lawless bunch of depraved thieves. does the prime minister really believe that we can build a solid security service on these collapsing foundations? >> there are two views to take about afghanistan. he takes a different one from mine. the first view is that the taliban has a huge amount of support afghanistan, and the afghan people will not resist the taliban. the second view, however, is the one i take, that the taliban have very limited public support and the people of afghanistan. all opinion polls and evidence that we have is that the public do not want the taliban to return. they know the damage that they did in the past. they know the threat to women's rights. they know the damage that was done to children's education, and they know that justice that was meted out unfairly particularly against women. our best estimate is that the people of afghanistan by a very substantial majority do not want the taliban to return to government. they want to be assured that there is security guaranteed by afghan forces and by th

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and global counter terror techniques with zach zacardelli, he was the former head of the royal canadian mounted policedirector of strategic planning for interpoll. >> the toronto 18 case has struck me in so many different ways, but primarily because of how close this group came and what they were planning to do in canada. in toronto. when you found out about it, what was your reaction? >> shock. we now know it can happen to us, canadians in some cases have been naive thinking, we're canadians, we're nice people in general. why would anyone want to hurt us. >> these were canadians? >> they were pretty much suburban kids, right? >> absolutely, they were canadians, and that's what shocked a lot of countries in the western world. this new phenomena post 9/11, the idea that you actually can deal with a terrorist that comes from somewhere else, that comes with an ideology or belief that's so foreign to us and wants to attack our way of life. but to think that somebody in canada or in the united states or what we call the home grown terrorist can grow up amongst us, and actually buy into this perverted ideol

developed over the past two years, is to get more police on the streets. for that, we need to invest in policing and emphasize the concept that the police serve the neighborhood. that is exactly what we are doing. >> adam holloway. >> thank you, mr. speaker. does the prime minister agree with ben bernanke that the prime minister's decision to strip the bank of england's supervising role led to a "destructive run" and a "major problem for the british economy?" >> no, mr. speaker. i think that anybody who looks at the global recession knows that it started with the problems of the banking system in america that spread right across the world. our tripartite system is the right way to deal with these problems, because it brings the bank of england, the financial services authority, and the treasury together to deal with these issues. i noticed that only yesterday the leader of the opposition changed the shadow chancellor's policy on the future of the banking system, and that he also talked yesterday about introducing "flatter taxes". flatter taxes mean less tax

the police department crime laboratory provides training. tion should be common knowledge. training curriculum should include procedures for the proper collection of dna evidence. the management submitted is not only a law-enforcement problem. it is an issue that must be addressed in the judicial system. submission that every case can be worked is unrealistic. every case needs to be evaluated separately. crime laboratories do not have resources to evaluate every sample. the answer does not lie in the hands of the person who analyzes cases on a daily basis. the responsibility for case management lies in the hands of the entire judicial system. the efforts within a climate laboratory should focus on how to produce results in a timely manner. -- the efforts with a crime laboratory. there is no one size fits all approach. this must be fluid to meet the demands of the system. i appreciate the opportunity to appear today. thank you. >> our last witness is jayann sepich. she is the advocate for mandating dna testing since the tragedy of her daughter