s of the police department have not had an update on the definition of community policing since 1994. not since the heyday of the clinton administration was there any execution of a description of what community policing is. and you look at that, it's a vague two-line sentence about what community policing is and has no reference whatsoever to the modern techniques, to the modern techniques, of community policing. interesting enough, in 1994, that was when proposition d, a charter amendment, was put on the ballot. and it was that charter amendment that created a floor of our obligation to have 1,971 police officers in the city and county's police department. that may have been an effective tool now. but if you ask me, when you talk about ideas of now having community policing and if there's really going to be substance to the talk about really unfolding community policing in 10 district stations, which has not happened yet by the way and we'll get into that,en that 1971 figure is now, in my opinion, obsolete. and the employment should seriously look at revising it. not only has it bec

obviously, we have heard from the police and army that the vast majority of police departments do manageir own crime lab, and we have heard from the city administrator that there are concerns with specifically making the type of move that we were contemplating today, but i think the larger question of what we do at the crime lab is still one that is open for significant discussion, and i would very much like for all of the various stakeholders, both inside city government, inside law enforcement, and outside the city government, to work together to figure out what the future of the crime lab is going to be. so i would support that we move this at the call of the chair. colleagues, any further conversations on this? why don't we do that? without objection, i continue this item to the call of the chair. with that, why don't we move to the next item, item seven. >> item 7, ordinance amending the san francisco administrative code by adding sections 30.30 through sections 30.35 to establish public safety and public health training programs for san francisco unified school district high-school

president chiu: those are the sections specifically requiring the police department to do the communitypolicing policy. i think that's absolutely necessary. that's a good thing. it's the foot patrols that concern me. i would like to support the first part and oppose the second part. president chiu: and so i'm clear, you want to divide out section 2a89.3 on foot beat patrol? supervisor elsbernd: 2a89.2. president chiu: you want to vote on 89.2 separately from the rest of the legislation? supervisor elsbernd: within item 42 and within -- we have two in front of us. just to be safe, i would like to have two separate votes on those. president chiu: our clerk has just advised me if we make any changes today, we'll have to sit for another week for public comment for next week. i just want to advise people of that. supervisor daly. supervisor daly: you're unilaterally dividing the question to make separate votes. you're not making an action to amend. that's fine. president chiu: i've been told that apparently the deadline for submission is today. if i could ask the deputy city attorney, are we

we want to work with the police department. we want to make sure that the streets are liberateded away from crime. -- liberated away from crime, and that people are not feeling hostage to their houses or to certain blocks because they can't cross the street. it was like pulling teeth in order to get the kind of response which i think should have been routine and normal for that level of concern. >> i apologize for that. again, unfortunately i wasn't here when this occurred. my concern is the reason i'm here today and the reason i'm an employee with the san francisco police department and very happy to be here is a result of you four and the voting which allowed me to be here. my concern when i first heard about the initiative was, am i going to be able to manage the day-to-day operations or is there going to be legislation that will dictate how i have to manage the department. i have to be honest and tell you i was kind of taken back by that, thinking that i was brought here to make a change as a chief, and i have with transpare

and the school district and those who run the police athletic league. very appreciative of their enthusiasm and optimism. the chief says he really liked this idea. he frankly was surprised san francisco does not have something in little more institutionalized. >> i agree with you again. 343. the police activity lead -- we just graduated 28 young men and women on friday, ages 13 to 18 that now will be intense in both english side and bayview station. leadership skills, the goal attainment -- it was a fantastic class. it was a four-week academy where they learned a lot about themselves. again, we came from an environment where the explorer program is probably referencing exactly what you're talking about. each police station in los angeles had somewhere between 25 and 40 explores in each of those stations, leadership skills, and a lot of those explorers went on to beat full-time members of the police department. i think it is something that is severely needed here, and it is something i think can take a lot of discussion. it needs to be acted on. i concur

the police department is a paramilitary institution. and the reasonable i say that is that it follows and its fallback is a set of manuals and chain of command laws that don't exist. and you are absolutely right. i'm tired of talking about community policing and this issue. but until this somehow has some arvingored enforcement of a strategy -- anchored enforcement, it's going to be done based on the personality of those in command of the police department. and that's the way the system works here. >> i understand. one of the issues -- and, again, i'll let captain lazar take over. i come from an environment that we had 21 captains in the city of los angeles. such as the young lady that came up before and spoke about the soon-to-be, hopefully, police commissioner. i came to my ways and dime san francisco. just like she -- came to san francisco. just like she left los angeles also. those captains should be interchangeable. it should be times 10 districts. i agree with you. when you put one captain out doing it differently, it has to be sta

the club's considering that once we make an arrest, also having to police the club, transportation to the jail, hospitalization for anyone that is injured. it could be a couple of million dollars if you want to get back -- get down to the facts. >>supervisor mirkarimi: in whica look forward to that in the future so we can have a more focused conversation. supervisor chiu: i think he could get to the public safety commission those data points you just provided, and i would like to have a conversation with use -- with you about what those costs are of the requirements of the city of having a police presence, because i have heard this from many police captain said the strains on the system of certain entertainment corridors is really having an impact on our budget alone, not just referring to the public safety matters. supervisor elsbernd: on that point, i think we should also take a look at supervisor avalos'

as you know, we took over in mid-2003 from the police department, and probably 1/3 of the permits or maybe more that we regulate, we did not issue. that means those files did not have security plans because those were not required back in 2003 or in the 1990's, so one of the things that we have to do and so we can call that a permit review and that we are in the process of doing is getting in touch with those older permits and at a minimum requiring them to make security plans, so i think that is a long lines of what you're talking about, going, based on data issuance, not based on whether they are at a violent incident, obviously. supervisor chiu: 1 other follow- up question i have is about the regency event that was recently reported. all of us and the public know about the tragedies that occurred regarding the rape there some weeks ago, and there were significant concerns about a new rave that was being planned. i had sent a letter asking for the security plans related to that, and apparently caught the party promoter decided to pull back on that from now. the question i have for

you've heard from the police. you've heard from the city attorney and a confidential memo to the supervisors and to the mayor. you've heard from the mayor of a city that has its ordinance in place already and testified to its utility there. you've heard from the sheriff, the district attorney. the controller has yet to weigh in. but i expect when he does, he will note that there is no substantial cost, if any, to implementing this which is great in these budget times in a week when we've seen 80 layoffs of police officers in oakland and are facing a substantial budget deficit next year and for god knows how many years to come. so i should also note that supervisor alioto-pier, you've heard from her as a sponsor. you've heard from members of the public in letters and in public comment, articulating their frustration with the deficiencies in existing law. and you've heard from state courts and federal courts as well. so with all of that that has been presented by me and by others in writing and in person , i don't th

it is an honor to recommend carol kingsley to the police commission. carol and zack have been members of our congregation nearly two decades. as rabbi emeritus of the synagogue, i have been privileged to develop friendship for carol and deep respect for her leadership abilities. carol has the skills and experience to be an excellent commissioner, and brings experience in oversight in that her husband was murdered at gunpoint in the 101 california incident. carol knows firsthand the tremendous impact of gun violence. her commitment to reducing violence is apparent in her advocacy work for several years and in the legal community against violence for the last 16-plus years. commissioners are required to make decisions that involve complex matters and difficult issues. carol brings more than 27 years of experience practicing law and resolving conflict. she is prepared to

their chain of command is obviously their command staff, the police chief, the police commission, and the mayor himself. the chief executive, he or her who is the mayor would have to then instruct for this to happen. that has never happened. and meanwhile, as many of us who are district supervisors who are concerned about the level of crime, public safety, and distress that went unattended or inadequately attended, at some point we have to be advocates and cheer leaders for our own district and for regions of our city and citywide that i think warrants a level of attention it wasn't getting. with the experiment of foot patrols, we clearly had demonstrated the success of the strategy. this isn't novel. this was practiced for generations. it's a tried and true strategy. so good that that's why other major cities are now returning back to this very strategy and they're not having the discussion -- or they're certainly completing the discussion that, is it extra money that's needed or is it the fact that they want to reorient how policing is done? san francisco is not los angeles. we are

item five, ordinance amending the san francisco police could to expand a grounds for revocation of place of entertainment permits, extended hours premises permits, and onetime event permits to include public safety considerations were operation of the permit poses a substantial risk of physical harm or injury to individuals and where the pretty's persistent action or inaction causes serious or continued problems that amount to a public nuisance -- the permitee's persisted action. supervisor chiu: we have two items in front of us that have to do it public safety issues. the first is the regular quarterly update from the entertainment commission, having to do with statistics surrounding public safety incidences' related to nighttime violence. this quarterly report came out of the legislation that we passed last year concerning entertainment where we had heard from numerous members of the public that there had been many complaints brought by neighbors and by the san francisco police department that appeared to be going into a black hole where there was no follow-up by the entertainment comm

the police are able to get there in time. there is evidence. there's an arrest. there are witnesses willing to testify. and the da gets the case. what happens then? the case will be brought to court. tried and a person will go to jail or prison for however long. how do we make this happen? in your office we have the neighborhood assistant district attorney program and we have assistant da's assign to the police districts there are 2-4 assigned to each district. within the assignments they break it up by neighborhoods so there are at least one assistant da assigned to work with the groups and the police in a particular neighborhood. the lower haight group has 2 people they are working with and others that have worked with them. what we have done is have the assistant da's familiar with the issues in a particular neighborhood. and it changes. it's different from one neighborhood to the other. one neighborhood it may be drug dealing another it may be prostitution. it may be assault, autoburglars whatever it is the da

we decided to step up and talk about the services. our police officers have a resource guide that when they go they hand out resource guides to families and the hopeless and the drug addiction. but also one of the things we believe in and what we are talking about here is we want prevention. when they are there playing football with the kid or fixing their bikes and see something going on in the family and the parent come out and

like to tell you a bit more about myself and address my service to san francisco by working on the police commission and enter questions you might have. i am a longtime resident of san francisco. i moved to california in 1978 to attend school in the city. for the past years, my friends and i have lived in forest hills. i grew up in both the financial district and civic center areas of the city. you often hear about the shootings at 101 california street in 1993. \ it i here that i gave birth and raise our son, a who is here today. in short, i have done a lot of living in san francisco. i want to be part of keeping our city communities say -- safe. in the last seven years i have been handling disputes that need mediators, cases with business, real estate, construction, and estate planning. i have been involved in a number of professional organizations. among the regional members of the lawyers alliance, using our legal skills to advance issues related to women and children in san francisco. one of the accomplishments is the children's waiting room and hall of justice. these are safe places

it is an interesting time out there right now for the police commission. hicago just passed a remarkable gun measure that got tossed out by the supreme court, and we have a lot of opportunities in front of us right now. it would be interesting to here. as police commissioner, you have tailored responsibility, but board members are always looking for ideas, and your experience in your personal and professional life -- and the fact you sat on the ethics commission was also interesting. i would be interseted to hear what you see on the ethics commission today as opposed to back then, but i would welcome any ideas you have as to how to make san francisco a better place. the thing surrounding child care and women, one of my best friends sits on the bench right now and has twins and i remember her saying i can't believe you can manage it all, and i said you are on the bench and you just had twins. what are you talking about? that is perspective we need to have more, members who understand the issues for men and for women. you know, women -- i won't go there, but

last year the police union decided to give up pay raises. ey didn't actually take a pay cut like every other city union did, but they gave up pay raises last year. and they saw the writing on the wall for next year. so they were concerned. so they asked for this three-year no layoff guarantee. >> bob, isn't this like a really watershed moment, not only for oakland but for all cities in california? because this is really where the city said enough is enough. >> it really -- >> to the police force. and it's interesting it happened in oakland. but it didn't work for the police in this case. >> it really was surprising. i mean, over the years the city council has had a reputation just for saying yes to everything that the city employee unions have asked them for. so it was surprising that a majority of the council stood up and said no, we can't do this anymore, the writing's on the wall, there's just not enough money to pay for what you're asking for. >> but when you saw all the headlines about 80 policemen laid off, you're going to see that same

told me to call the police. i called the police. the police came in about ten minutes. the guy said he's a murder suspect and he said call the police right now. >> the guy holding him down said -- said that this guy is a murder suspect. the other guy who was being restrained, he was not refuting that. >> reporter: aletha housely is the other suspect was arrested on saturday and police say she confessed and gave them details about the crime. police say they wouldn't have solved this crime so quickly if it had not been for the surveillance tape. investigators say they can't understand why it had to happen in the first place. >> it's really a heinous crime. i don't know. i haven't talked to mr. huggins as of yet. i'm in the pro sis of getting ready to -- process of getting ready to interview him. this is senseless. there's no reason why he could have provided me on why he did what he did. >> reporter: they say he was also involved involved in a robbery and shooting on telegraph avenue. mr. kang's killing could get the suspects the death penalty because robbery is a special

the police circled them and arrested them one by one. they expect to reopen the street at any moment now. the workers are demanding hyatt provide better working conditions. a spokesman called the rally a publicity stunt and management has been bargaining quote in good faith. >>> there was quite a scene in marin county as the police officers searched for a suspected felon and found him hiding out below a dock on the bay. news chopper 2 captured the arrest after the two hour search it. started with a traffic stop on bridge way but when they pulled the man over well, they say he ran. they eventually located him hiding under that dock. the police say the man is wanted on a warrant for multiple felonies including assault with a deadly weapon and burglary. >>> oakland police say the two people who robbed and killed a virginia man on sunday night might be responsible for other recent robberies in the downtown area. investigators say this surveillance video shows a man and a woman before they robbed 45-year-old hong-kang of $17 and shot him. the

have hired one, the alameda police department is in the process of hiring 3 laid off cops. the contra costa police department is hoping to hire laid off oakland officers but they are not specific in numbers, the same goes for san matea. >> domenic resident a is a recollection take told me more police agencies are looking at these seasoned and trained officers, you can expect more to be hired away. you didn't want to talk about the negotiations. dana, consider this, the officers got what they wanted all along, a three-year guarantee '06 no layoffs and they were already agreeing to pay up to 9% into the deal so you know it looks like they got the deal they wanted. >> big game of chess. all right. joe vazquez, thank you. >>> oakland police have arrested a second suspect in connection with the fatal shooting of a virginia man in town for a job interview. investigators searched the car of 24-year-old george huggins following his arrest this afternoon. a woman believed to be his girlfriend was arrested saturday after someone recognized her in surveillance video. 33-year-old al t

this is the true manifestation of public police manning. would not able to solve it without the public. >> kron 4 will continue to develop fall this developing story. >> also, officers this had of the protest aftermath of the meserle shooting trial. kate thompson is joining us live in oakland with the details. >> assistant police chief is defending his department that the police did everything they were trained for and expected to happen during the riot/loo ting after the meserle verdict was read. and exactly what was on the july 8th, with people breaking into a foot locker. merchandise. several businesses in downtown oakland had a lot of merchandise stolen. and shop owners have criticized the police by standing by and not making arrests were stopping these people. it the police fired back today that there was a safety issue and they wanted to keep officers safe. sending them into a store would have been a safety issue and there were concentrating on keeping the crowd contained. hundreds of people were downtown, and there were lined up tryin

the police chief would not give me the exact number of police officers who would be on hand all he told me is that they have 70 sworn officers in walnut creek police department. in almost all some will be on hand during the demonstration. the police chief says and that the beast will also be on hand in case violence breaks out. i also spoke with several people who work at the restaurants which is right across from the courthouse. they tell me that they may close depend on how rowdy guests. >> write your will be on hand if needed. the rally starts at 2:00 p.m. on monday. >> it only touches of people who live and well walnut creek to get the thoughts and mild rally. >> convicted in the courts. he's found guilty by jurors. in your work and have a rally for him. this is a the process. were a country of laws and the law has spoken. >> i would hope it's not individuals that are coming in and are creating this disorderly contact. as long as the bart here and respect the law than it should be alright. >> east will must people from outside the area with different opinions come into town. >> you

they think i can speak for the police department generally. no one likes to be surprised. no one likes to find there is an event going on where there could be possible problems. it gives us the opportunity to plan ahead and do have the resources to help the actual permit holders say, i understand this event. you may understand this, but we do not. we recommend you should think about getting extra security. it allows us to have that dialogue between the permit holder and themselves, and which we found leads to a safer environment. >> you can understand what these are intending to do is to the permit the -- permitee. they are intending to establish these relationships, which is greater transparency and operation and a greater understanding of what doesn't the pipeline so it can be handled and to give you an added set of eyes. >> i do not want to interrupt, but let me clarify. entertainment is regarded as free speech. you do raise issues of prior restraint. they are requiring the report the schedule to the police department, and you may argue that may require restraint. no mat

the police say the young man was trying to steal the victim's bicycle.he police say several good samaritans rushed to help the man, there is no word on his condition. >>> the police in oakland are trying to get ready for november 5th. that is sentencing day for mehserlie. yesterday, oakland police held a meeting with other law enforcement agencies. they want to avoid a repeat of the violence from earlier this month. >>> in the meantime, the contra costa county times reports last week's pro-mehserlie rally will end up costing $60,000. some were count ire demonstrators. >>> members of the community are turning out right now to help a veteran police officer. also, the president was talking about education today defending his race to the top program for schools. and will the bay area see warmer temperatures by the weekend? meteorologist mark tamayo has warmer temperatures ahead. our real national pastime? saving money. and like baseball people love their stats. i started bringing my lunch to work -- 50 bucks a week in my pocket. here's a good one: state farm

the time is now 8:30. police invest kuwaiting a investigating a string of shooting over the last three weeks. we have the details. good morning, craig. >>> good morning. as we mentioned, police say the past 2 # days in a row they have had a shooting victim or evidence, the latest happened here on main street in the city. 15-year-old girl and 21-year- old man from richmond both went to the hospital yesterday around 5:30. sean young was actually pishinged up by a good samaritan, he is the man from richmond and taken to the medical center: thehe unidentified 15-year-old girl went in walnut creek. the two were hanging out when two men heading east on main opened fire from a moving silver sedan. the very latest here at the e marina apartment just as a reminder, one down is sill member says the landlord here is not doing enough. >> we really have to rely on property owners to monitor their properties. we have request withed this property owner step up security. they have been relying on the public to provide security f

a lot of the other recommendations from the police department simply duplicate recommendations that come from our staff. there is a discrepancy between the amount of security we recommend, one for every 80 patrons. we could split the difference. that is basically in it. i would like to hear from my fellow commissioners how they feel about these conditions, in particular, the ones that are recommended from the police department. i would support for however long their venue remains in operation at this location, that we immediately reconsider this permanent and apply the conditions that are before us. commissioner joseph: i did want to address one issue before i go to commissioner alan. they wouldn't have a california driver's license. we are taught in training that and i d is a government issue document that has a picture, as a physical description. there are five points, i believe, that an idea can have. it can be a passport. it does not have to be a driver's license. a can be a license from another state. don't worry about the idea scanner because if he need have id to get into a venue

then, the police officers would not let them through so they could come and get her. she bled to death and died. >> it is incredibly important for us to render the scene secure before medical personnel or fire personnel or anybody else for that matter come into a scene and risk being injured. >> reporter: the police say the 61-year-old turner surrendered without incident. the knife and gun have been recovered. he could be charged with murder and attempted murder tomorrow afternoon. in san skwroes a robert honda, ktvu channel 2 news. >> the police have released surveillance photographs that they hope will identify two suspects in a deadly shooting at the great mall of the bay area. the photos were taken last october when a man was shot and killed in the parking garage at the great mall. the police say the suspects drove away after the shooting in a full sized black suv with tinted windows. it might also have been damaged by gunfire. the victim was 34-year-old michael davis from richmond. anyone with information about the case is asked to call the police. >>> sheriff off

the other is the police, mainly around service complaints. then the human rights commission is tasked with helping to settle civil rights violation of all kinds, including disability rights violations. supervisor mar: the board of supervisors is not required to respond to this funding and recommendation, is that correct? >> i apologize. i have been told that the board would be responding to all of them. supervisor chu: if i might, it looks like we are responsible for responding to item 1, finding 4, 5, and 6, recommendations 4, 5, and 6. >> we have two ada transition planned. one is for the city office buildings, the other is the public right away. what they refer to is sidewalks and curb ramps. there is an enormous amount of work that is estimated to be done in this area. $500 million was, at what point one pointm, the amount that was cited. we have made quite a bit of progress and we have been able to count some of the progress that had not been counted before. that estimate is not entirely correct. it is much closer to $120 million, $150 bi

it should have been dealt with by the police department. they did not need to take resources out of other communities, but it is their job to shift them around. there is a big difference between san francisco and the legislation in front of us. the only point i am trying to make is something that in my opinion could easily get through the board of supervisors. i don't think there would be a big problem trying to pass a foot beat program or adapting a solution policy. to make sure san francisco backs this, we have already done that. we have put money towards the evaluation report, and we find 30% of respondents believe foot patrols are necessary -- that was 90%. public safety and quality of life issues, 74%. they believe foot patrols are a viable strategy, and we have other polling numbers and data we could look to that says everyone wants this in san francisco. what we have in front of us is something we could take care of even more quickly than a ballot measure. so i do think the public allows us to do our job. we should pass it as a board,

the oakland housing authority police department has already hired six of the laid-off oakland police officers. the oakland unified school district department is in the process of hiring three. the hayward pd hired one. the alameda department is in the process of hiring one to three laid-off oakland cops. the contra costa county sheriff's department is hoping to hire several laid-off oakland officers but isn't releasing specific numbers on that. same goes for the san mateo police department. but they did get what they have been wanting, that three-year no layoff guarantee. john. >> anne, thank you. anne makovec in oakland this morning. >>> oakland policeholdingg two suspects. 24-year-old george hugguins was arrested yesterday. investigators believe he is one of these two suspects. who shot and killed 45-year-old jinghong kang after robbing him of $17. that was sunday night july 18. a woman believed to be hugguins' girlfriend was arrested over the weekend. police say that 33-year-old althea housley admitted to taking part in the murder and robbery of kang. she was identified by someone

today the group along with one man was arrested told us police responded . ated policies, a state law, civil rights the assaultive nonviolent protesters and generally acted unprofessionally and carelessly. >> the fact they best of people applying a partner role for the thursday night is a demonstration of what they want and what provoked violence. >> was already an intimidating atmosphere overwhelming force and we know that there were incidents that could have been prevented and the police did not prevent them while they took a piece of action against citizens who were trying to help. >> the lawyers guild claims legal observers journalists and nonviolent members of the community or mistakenly swept up in the arrest. authorities say they will look closely at each complaint that comes in. >> with the oakland police department take any complaints against officers seriously and so what if someone has a complaint or rudeness conflate were asking them to come forward because we investigate every one of those complaints to the fullest. to this day we've only had one

the police are on the lines and is pretty evident that police are on the lines by the trend we're seeing, the downward trend of violence. i am going to continue it. we also have the inspectors as a group of 46 or 47 additional eyes and ears that do the proof of payment enforcement. they are also

then i called the police. so there a fear of the patrons of the el rincon, and it needs to be cleaned up. i think the statements from ms. patel that she doesn't care about our neighborhood or our kids. we are actually concerned about the bedroom being on the front of alabama street because we don't know what is going to get thrown through that window if we keep confronting these people. please shut it down. thank you. >> thank you. any further public comment? seeing none, pickup cox is closed. commissioner? >> just so the public knows, we can neither revoke nor suspend tonight. that is not a possibility. it has to be noticed. but i would like to make a motion on item number 5 to not approve their major amendment or any changes in their conditions or security plan, and to continue this item to the next meeting, where we will consider a motion on suspension based on article 1060 .20 .1-a-2-1. i think that's right. the permitee or the employer agent has operated the business in a manner that has harmed the welfare