they don't tell you why a person has scored high or low, but they are good predictors like the s.a.t., the gre, the various iq tests and mechanical tests, et cetera, so i think you're trying to blame the messenger for the message. a more substantial comment is, the real problem with the public schools -- and i went to a public school -- until graduate school -- is the teachers. the teachers were lousy when i went there, and i got a pretty good education, and then when i got into college, i learned what real teaching is. and moynihan, senator dan all patrickman moynihan of number, spoke about the dysfunctional family during his tenure at the nixon administration, and he was roundly -- you economy, insulted for it, and it's gotten worse. it's gotten much worse since the late 60ss and i think that's the problem is the family, the difference funkal family. the -- the dysfunctional family the mother with no man around and five kids. >> host: david, leave it on those two points. thank you very much. bernadine dohrn, his second point was about the family, and your center at northwestern is c

they don't say why a person has scored high or low but they are good predictions like the s.a.t. forous iq tests, mechanical tests, you are trying to blame the messenger for the message. a more substantial argument, the problem with public schools, i went to a public school. the teachers, the teachers were lousy when i went there. i got a pretty good education. i learned what real teaching is. anator daniel patrick moynihan of new york spoke about the dysfunctional family during his tenure at the nixon administration. he was roundly in salted for at. y, has gotten much worse since the late 60s. tionfamily, dysfunctional family. the mother who has known and beound and there are 5 kids. >> host: we will leave it on those 2 points. sernardine dohrn, the second fint was about the family. your center at northwestern? >> guest: children need families that are strong and sustained and consistent, where the adults hive a life of both work and art and intellectual challenge. i don't think that every family pleds a man but every family needs more than one person. iu need a team of people to

and the new word -- you use an s.a.t. word, obfuscate, ok? make it blurry. alex rodriguez, well, yeah, he took steroids, but it wasn't that years ago. obfuscate. manny ramirez, yeah, he did, but wasn't it a women's hormone? just kind of blur the facts about it. i think you were referring to barry bonds in terms of him not getting that same kind of reception. the reason that barry bonds got it because we knew all that details, clear, cream, injections, the rear end, all the rest, the muscles and everything. so the more you make this kind of vague, the less serious people seem to take it. if you're in the minor league swinging as if you're coming back from a groin pull, people forget it was actually serious. >> and this is why it is important, because all the sudden we have moved away from pointing the finger at bud selig and now we're saying, it's all donald fehr. no, no, no, no, no. up don't get off that easy, bud selig, because you got beaten like a drum at the negotiating table on all these issues, and the thing that frightens me is that i don't really thi

what determines educational outcomes is the quality of teachers by all the standard measures. what were their s.a.t. scores? where did they go to college? what do they know? to many of our teachers do not know very much it has nothing to do with any thing one would call cultural competency or skin color. indeed, parents do not care. there have been a lot of this. people do not care what the color of their teacher is, they care about the quality of their teacher in terms of the lessons that are being delivered and the outcomes. the teacher -- does a fourth grade teacher know any math? the question is usually no. how are children learning any math? some of the best schools that i have looked at in places like the south bronx in new york that is desperately poor and overwhelmingly minority. they are actually run by whites. these are charter schools. none of the parent's care. what they know about that school is that it is teaching kids. the entire question of cultural competency and how you define that, that is really troubling to me. i will go back to my broncs example. in terms of the differences of

into northern western although he was always in the middle of the class and when he wanted to go to law school, his graduate exams and s.a.tamples weren't good enough to get into the law school he wanted to go to. he finally applied to pepperdine university in california and got in there and his law school roommate, lon monk who remained a friend and a former chief of staff and as happened to so many of his friends is now indicted with him. [laughter] >> told me as a student, even in law school, rod, you know, he did well in the subjects he liked. anything connected with history, politics he did well in those subjects. even in law school. he read a lot. but not necessarily what was assigned. and his law professor said to him, you know, if you would apply yourself -- you know a lot of your parents have heard this for your kids if you apply yourself to the subjects to the ones you enjoy he would do a lot better. he did exactly what he wanted to do and kind of ignored everything else and that was his academic career. >> pepperdine is a famously conservative place. and he is also known i believe you wrote about this in the boo

the school's enrollment has risen nearly 23%. now nearly 18,000 students are proud to call georgia southern their academic home. while freshmen s.a.t. scores were rising 13% on his watch, the university was being catapulted into national prominence. during dr. gruby's time as president skwrarpblg southern was featured in the "u.s. news and world report" best colleges guide and was named one of the nation's top 100 best values in education by kiplinger. he oversaw the creation of two new colleges, specializing in information technology and public health. presided over a veritable building boom on campus and brought georgia southern into the internet age with distance learning courses. of all his remarkable achievements, perhaps the most significant is that in the decade of dr. gruby's presidency, the amount of scholarships funded through the georgia southern foundation has doubled. in 1999 the foundation scholarships totaled $644,000. in 2007 the foundation was able to award $1.3 million to deserving scholars, many of whom may not have been able to start school or complete their degrees without that assistance. and dr. g r*u by led