the only begotten son of god. born of the father before all ages. god from god, life from life, true god from true god. begotten not made, substantial with the father, through him all things were made. for us men and for our salvation, he came down from heaven. and by the holy spirit, was became man. for our sake he was crucified under pontius pirate. he suffered death and was buried and rose again on the third day in accordance with the scriptures. he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right-hand of the father. he will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end. i believe in the holy spirit, the lord the giver of life, who proceeds from the father and the son, who with the father and the son is adored and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets. i believe in one holy catholic and apastolic church. i confess one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. and i look forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. amen. the lord be with you . >> and with your spirit. >> my d

is the best son in the world crimes wasn't the full details. the full extent of the barbarism, the fact he would have sex with their corpses, mutilate the victims, that didn't fit with this image of the boy next door. >> you feel that everything will turn out all right, that you are innocent. do you feel that still? >> yeah, more than ever. >> do you think about getting out of here? >> well -- well legally, sure. >> bundy was to stand trial on the charge of murdering a young woman in aspen. that trial never completed. during a court hearing break he was left alone in a law library. bundy bailed out of the second floor window and escaped. >> he high-tailed it up to the hills where they chased him around nearly a week. he got lost up there and probably would have died of exposure if they hadn't arrested him. they caught him and he was put back in jail and at christmastime 1977, he escaped again. >> bundy, starved down to less than 140 pounds, slipped through a hole in the ceiling of his cell and was free again. >>

soon enough, the talented architect, now a husband and father of two sons, is on the map. in 1951, m.i.t. in cambridge, massachusetts, appoints him its dean of architecture. around the same time, he begins grooming tony in the craft. >> he was my mentor, and therefore i got to know his architectural vocabulary and philosophy better than anyone. >> pietro retires from m.i.t. in 1965, but he's still in demand. boston's one financial center, the meyerhoff symphony hall in baltimore, and many more. >> he became an international celebrity. >> do you remember feeling that your dad was special? >> i kind of picked that up when i was in college, and he was the commencement speaker. and i said, "whoa." >> it's a blessing and a curse. >> and that's what i went through for 40 years. >> and therein lie tony's mixed emotions over his strange inheritance. he becomes destined to receive it when his father, probably sitting at his boston drafting table, gets a long-distance call from portland. it's mrs. burkes, owner of that home he'd designed 25 years ago and never forgot. the widow tell

the son also told the neighbor that the suspects were wearing ski masks. according to an incident report with the police department, multiple gaming systems, a tv and a cell phone were taken from the home. in sioux city, tiffany lane, ktiv news 4. >> police say they are searching for multiple suspects. but, they haven't offered any matt? a south sioux city, nebraska, man faces robbery charges after police say he kicked down the door to a sioux city residence. 20-year-old arturo silvas is charged with 1st degree robbery after police say he entered a home on west 2nd street. authorities say he kicked in the door and threated a man with a handgun. police say silvas left the home arrived. he was located a short time later and taken into custody. a judge has sentenced a storm a judge has sentenced a storm lake, iowa man to five years devices in a home that's across the street from a preschool. the sentence came after 28-year-old dion caldwell pleaded guilty to possession of an explosive or incendiary device with intent to public offense. caldwell faced a ten- y

the store. jordan' s son appeared to be participating in the crime. jordan' s son was released to another family member and as for his mother, she has only been arraigned and is being held on $7,500 cash bail and is been ordered by judge not to go into any salem stores. heather hamel, wmur news 9. erin: also in salem this noon, police have arrested five people accused of passing counterfeit bills at several stores. officers first responded to market basket, but it appears this group also used the fake money at marshall' s and home dept, according to authorities. four of them are from philadelphia. the fifth is from nashua. all 5 of them faced a judge this morning. a deering man faces three charges after police say he fired shots into the ground while fighting with his son. but also nearby was a young child, who police say was put in danger. wmur' deering this noon with the story. ray: the adult son who andrew lyles was allegedly arguing with says his dad has been under a lot of stress lately and last night his dad just snapped. clearly still upset by t

hadll cases, the sons had headline divorces. the third thing that i had to consider, obviously, is what had happened to these families in 50 years. by far, one of my favorite .amilies, the tafts years ago, i had a radio show asked who was my favorite president. i said william howard taft. disappointed, he wanted to build a show around roosevelt or washington or lincoln. i don't think taft was necessarily a very good president, but he was my favorite. he was so nice. there were such love and his family. , love withis parents his brother, love with his children. my answer to who was my favorite president. that ins lived up to their lives. in fact, each chapter starts with a little quote from someone or other. -- or another. the taft quote is from alphonso taft, a founding father of this family. taft has ever neglected a public duty for the sake of , and song public desire it went to the tafts that bob governor and became involved in the most odd scandal, coingate, because he knew somebody who was a dealer in coins." the guy turned

the son also told the neighbor that the suspects were wearing ski masks. according to an incident report with the police department, multiple gaming systems, a tv and a cell phone were taken from the home. in sioux city, tiffany lane, ktiv news 4.>> police say they are searching for multiple suspects. but, they haven't offered any it is an open case. a south sioux city, nebraska, man faces robbery charges after police say he kicked down the door to a sioux city residence. 20-year-old arturo silvas is charged with 1st degree robbery after police say he entered a home on west 2nd street. authorities say he kicked in the door and threated a man with a handgun. silvas was located a short time later and taken into custody. a judge has sentenced a storm lake, iowa man to five years probation for having explosive devices in a home that's across the street from a preschool. the sentence came after 28-year-old dion caldwell pleaded guilty to possession of an explosive or incendiary device with intent to use it to commit a public offense. caldwell faced a ten- year

new jersey senator robert menendez, the son of political refugees from cuba disagrees with the governor. >> new jersey has always been a welcoming state. it is replete with stories of immigrant past and present, and it will continue to do so regardless of what the governor is saying. >> new jersey is currently home to just 20 refugee families who have fled syria's civil war. >> pushing for the privilege to drive a proposed bill in the new jersey legislature would allow undocumented immigrants to get a driver's license. the supporters gathered in west deptford. the group says public transportation does not allow a person to go everywhere in the state. the proposed bill would only allow undocumented immigrants a license for driving, not for any other purpose. >> what we're asking is that we create a different license which still has a point system, that would allow them only to

even the lead up to this moment was baffling. his son was hardly the ideal foreign fighter, born in belgium and taised catholic, he seemed the average teen. he even visited in washington d c and spoke highly of the american dream. after a breakup with a girl and meeting another who introduced him to the koran, he began to change. soon after, under the lie he was going with friends to amsterdam, he went to syria to join islamic dimitri: we were very shocked. what do yoyothink? we are not muslims. scott: determined to bring him back, dimitri, a former soldier, begin plotting his sons rescue. dimitri: i don't speak arabic. i n't have any connections in the middle eas scott:t:he first trip turned up nothing. on his second, a solo attempt, he found the group holding his son, led by a long time terror suspect abu asir. what did they do to you? dimitri: they took all my clothes off. they put a cap above my head. the handcuffed they took me upstairs. they really suspected me to be a spy. scott: they are torturing you, they are questioning you. d

when we >>> last one in boston don' t go away, when we come back pedro martinez and luis clemente - the son of the baseball icon roberto clemente - right here on revista hispana... last month in boston, members of two families of baseball royalty coincided as sox legend pedro martinez was in town for a special presentation at the edward kennedy institute at u/mass and luis clemente, the son of baseball and humanitarian icon roberto clemente made the trip from puerto rico as his father was being honored for his military service in the us armed forces by puerto rican vets here [native language] [native language] and that was pedro martinez. before we sign off since this is the last show of the year a little props to our hard-working interns who is on my left and today you get to meet them. welcome to the front of the cameras, not behind them. son queridos, pedro martinez, durante su visita a boston, me hablo sobre su relacion tan especial que tiene con esta >> when you're behind you get to see and make comments and now what i'm doing. >> larry and the whole crew. >> so tell me, ok, so urban u

the son was home. they took him into custody. neighbors say the victim had recently become terminally ill and his family was caring for him. >> his doctors were giving him five to six months to live. >> who has the audacity, who would do something like that to someone? you think about parents, something like that, especially this time of year. >> investigators say right now the man's son who lives with the father is the only suspect. they have fought released the identities of the father or the son. new information this morning, what is being called porn-gate, the pennsylvania attorney general kathleen kane. kane received e-mails from her sister. the philadelphia enquirer is reporting some of the e-mails had race pictures or referred to race or ethnic groups. that's what kane is criticizing about e-mails sent by other officials. they say the e-mails were not offensive and did not warrant discipline. this all stems from kane's review of the sandusky investigation where kane found lewd e-mails sent or received by judge, private atto

he deciphers the mysterious inscription. it reads "james, sonbrother of jesus." >> he found that there is a very high probability that it belonged to james, the brother of jesus christ. frankly, i didn't even know that jesus christ had a brother or sisters. >> golan immediately sends the ossuary to the geological survey of israel to help with its authentication, using high-powered mike scopes they inspect the patina coating the box and the inscriptions. they conclude the lettering has not been made by modern tools. >> it's not a question of authentic. it's a question of if it belongs to james. >> intrigued about the probability of finding the names james, jesus and joseph in more than one family in first century jerusalem, he asks a statistician to audit the names on the inscription. >> we have 168 inscribed ossuaries from that period in jerusalem. >> while the name joseph appears on 7%, jesus on 4% and james on 2%, he concludes it's improbable that another family combining these three names existed. >> it is very likely, in my opinion, that the

neighbors say the son struggled with mental illness for years. his mother devoted her life to taking care of him. >>> somebody broke into the nova firearm shop last night, snatching two handguns and running off. the store opened, you may recall, a few weeks ago, and it upset a lot of neighbors, and they protested about the shop opening up next to an elementary school. >>> the defense rested in the trial of a baltimore police officer charged in the death of freddie gray. 12 witnesses were called over 3 days including the defendant. prosecutors said porter was negligent for failing to call a medic and not putting a seat belt on gray in the transport van. closing arguments are set for monday. >>> look at this. a december evening in dc, and folks are out and about without jackets, jogging through the park, and the bank thermometers reading 58 degrees on a december winter night. can it get any better than this? >> i hope so. let's get right to topper shutt. >> reporter: april without the april showers f you will. record highs tomorrow, 71 and 71. we ar

he's the son of ribal al-assad . to get a sense of internal family politics i asked ribal if he were to land in syria today. here's when he told me. >> i haven't been back there since 1999. last time i was in syria, 1999, they bombed our house in atacia. that was the last time i was able to go there. >> what would you do? >> to give you background we set it up before the arab spring in 2009, there was nothing we could do about, each of even though it was a british company we were requesting to get shuttle down. we were going to keep campaigning for the ideas, since i was exiled from a country, that's the only way we would be able to live with the beautiful mosaic of syrian people is having a genuine democracy. >> it is interesting in coverage of syria it is hard to realize the mosaic that syrians of different people of different religions, living together quiet well. well. >> the media has portrayed it as a opposing number of parties, armenians, christians, kurds, aloites, the jews, minority groups who activity make

the son, dyeing his blonde hair black. the trance formation, so different from the childish looking teen who pled guilty to driving krar. >> there's four or fiver kids. oh, yes, there's another child in the ditch. e on, myy god. >> in the sentencing, his legal team claimed he suffered from affluenza, too rich and too his sentence, only ten years probation and no jail time. a break for investigators coming on christmas eve, a week after this post was released, offering a $5,000 reward for any information, saying that he was on the run in this black ford truck, belonging to his mother tanya, who was also missing and believed to be withhim. >> they have probably driven that to the border and crossed over. >> reporter: adding that before they set out on there 2,200-mile trek, they even had something akin to a going-away party before they left ttn. reporter: mexican authorities were alerted on december 26th and last time they got him. >> it's like trying to find a officials when the pair arrived in puerto vallarta, they checked

the son of a dupont restaurant of the six victims killed yesterday in the attack. staff sergeant was the victim of a suicide bomber who loaded motorcycle with explosives and drove into his unit. jonathan: violence breaking out in montgomery blair high school injuring employees. two weeks ago this happened. the brawl broke out before the opening bell. police had to be called in. it was between two gangs to cause the fight. alison: record number of holiday travelers hit the roads tomorrow. the temperatures will be mild. will the rain clear up in time for the travel day? we have the latest forecast coming up shortly. police are trying to determine why a hummer drove in the cassel river and why it's intentional act. sam sweeney? sam: a source on the team tells us that the hummer drove down the block, through the piling and launched in the air and went in the water. the same source says that had it not been an intentional act it is likely that the driver would have gone on to one of the two boat ramps. hit the water and then on impact that car would have slowed down and

tonight the stunning revelations about the mother and son on the run and the takedown in mexico. the afluna teen ethan couch, who killed four people drunk driving and his mother. they're in custody. they may even have had a party before their escape. matt gutman has the latest. >> reporter: the three-week manhunt for the privileged teen ending with ethan couch's arrest on this gritty street in puerto vallarta, mexico. you see him cuffed and loaded into a police van. this photo confirming 18-year-old couch and his mother tanya were detained monday evening. the mother who refused to sit still to be photographed herself, apparently changing her look. the son, dyeing his blonde hair black. different from the childish looking teen who pled guilty to killing four people in a drunk driving krar. >> there's four or fiver kids. oh, yes, there's another child in the ditch. e on, my god. >> in the sentencing, his legal team claimed he suffered from affluenza, too rich and too his sentence, only ten years probation and no jail time. a break for investigators coming on christmas eve, a week a

what did the son of god look like? a week before his death, jesus arrives in jerusalem, along with thousands of pilgrims for the festival of passover. within days, he's been betrayed by judas. >> jesus of nazareth! >> arrested in the garden of gethsemane after he provokes the authorities he's handed over to the romans for trial and crucifixion. it's here that the story of the shroud begins. all four gospels talk about the burial cloth in which the crucified body of jesus is laid to rest. the bible tells that the cloth was given by joseph of arimathea, a wealthy member of the jewish council, the sanhedrin. >> the gospels describe joseph of arimathea as being a sympathizer with the jesus movement. he's fascinated by jesus. so fascinated that even after the crucifixion, he wants to make sure that the right thing is done, that jesus gets the right burial. >> everyone who encounters jesus in the gospels is transformed. they're either healed or they want to follow him. simply meeting jesus even for one time was life changing

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of al-qaeda -- isis is the son of al-qaeda, and it is lethal. especially lethal because it has saddam's intelligence operatives, his generals, his interior security people advising hem, organizing them, running their finance. this is an extraordinarily serious group, a group that does not hesitate to crucify christians and those who disagree with them, behead people and even worse than that, put on camera what they do. they boast about it as a recruiting vehicle. i don't know a lot about true evil, but i do know that they're it and that has to be stopped. and stopping them from getting their hands on chemical and biological weapons and weapons of mass destruction is surely a fight that i think we have to make as a country and as members of, hopefully, a civilized world. >> host: the story: a reporter's journey, by judith miller, published by simon & schuster. >> this is booktv on c-span2, television for serious readers. here's how prime time lineup -- here's our prime time lineup. tonight jerrold posener sits down to talk about the vatican bank.

we've reached out to the son. he's doesn't want to talk at this time. there's no one at the house but crime scene crews cleaning up. reporting live, mahsa saeidi, channel 13 action news. an update now.... to breaking news... we first brought you.... on k-t-n-v -dot-com. a suspect has been arrested.... in connection to the december -28-year-old woman.... in north las vegas. police say.... vernon newson junior shot the woman multiple times..... near lamb and the i-15... before taking off..... to southern california..... where police found him. he now faces charges of murder with a deadly weapon and illegal possession of a firearm. he's now awaiting extradition.... back to north las vegas. a gym parking lot.... turns into a murder scene... the victim... not even out of his car... with his windows up. action news reporter..... parker collins explains..... what else makes police call this unusual.

it's not totally the son's fault. the parents are raising him this way, that's a problem with the parents. >> let me just channel so many people watching right now who are listening to you and thinking you have got to be kidding me, whether you have money or not, you need to be taught right from wrong. the i'm mindful as well of these families of these four people who were killed in this accident and then they see this young man fleeing to mexico with his mom. >> what it confirms and proves is mom is not teaching him to follow the law, not bringing him up properly and not teaching him that he walks into court with no more rights than anybody else. if the mother did what she's reportedly doing, she's still teaching this juvenile that he's above everybody else. that's not right. >> so even though he's older than 18 because it started in juvenile court, traditionally it should land in juvenile court again? >> that's what i believe. i don't practice in texas. obviously, the laws are different from california where i am an

what is so interesting about jack nichols, he was the son of a net bia agent of the same -- he was the son of an fbi agent of the same name. john richard nichols sr.. here he is with his second wife. the fbi must have known. junior, senior. how could they not know? i filed a freedom of information act request for nichol's file. they claimed it no longer existed. i learned the penn state archive held an fbi document regarding nichols. after some back-and-forth, i got a hold of it, and here it is. as you can see, it was heavily redacted. it does allude to somebody telling fbi officials all about nichols junior. i asked the question, i wondered was his father involved? was his father mentioned in this document? i did note, if you can see it at -- i did not know because of the redaction. i did note, if you can see it at the bottom of the first paragraph, the name richard in parentheses. this is an foia release about john richard nichols junior. why would the fbi put in parentheses richard next to a blackout name when his name is richard? already knew that the sun went by jack -- that the s

to understand how bin laden went from the son of saudi privilege to the world's most wanted terrorist, we want to revisit our award-winning documentary "in the footsteps of bin laden." here's christiane amanpour. >>> he was a young gentleman, very gentle, very polite. >> he said if i see you again, i'll kill you. >> he is the most popular muslim leader in the islamic world today. >> translator: his voice. when you hear it, it makes you want to stand up right away to join him, to fight. >> what he's good at is killing civilians. ♪ >> osama bin laden was the world's most wanted terrorist. he haunted americans and millions of others around the world. i'm christiane amanpour in peshawar, pakistan, the birthplace of bin laden's terrorist organization, al qaeda. not far from here, just across the border in afghanistan, he disappeared shortly after 9/11. to know more about osama bin laden, to bring you his whole story, we visited his homes, his headquarters, his hideouts. we journeyed in his footsteps, from saudi arabia to pakistan to afghanistan. those who have prayed with him, lived with h

the first one here says, "judah, son of jesus." us, son of joseph." >> nothing relating, though, to the jesus of nazareth in the new testament? >> no. in no way whatsoever. these are just simply very common names which you find recurring again and again on ossuaries. >> not long ago, an ossuary was found inscribed, "james, son of joseph, the brother of jesus." with those three new testament names on it, some experts first thought it had to be authentic. >> i think that there was no doubt that the ossuary by itself is authentic. the inscription is the main question. >> yuval goran was part of the forensic team called in to authenticate the ossuary. close examination showed the inscription was forged. so, you think the inscription is a fake? >> we found out that the inscription was freshly cut through, though, a general patina. there is, of course, a police investigation. >> other inscriptions were found in a cave outside jerusalem. the archaeologist who excavated the site claims it was used by john the baptist. >> i don't believe tha

an attorney for the victim's families both mother and son deserve punishment. (todd clement/lawyer representing families of couch's victims) "i think it's particularly satisfying to the families that indeed, it appears that his mother tonya may have committed a crime and may finally be held accountable as well." tonya couch faces charges of hindering apprehension, which carries a sentence of two to ten years in jail. as for her son, authorities don't know yet how they will proceed against him. at the moment, the most severe punishment he faces is 120 days in jail. i'm kim hutcherson reporting. the chicago police officer charged with murder in the shooting death of 17-year-old laquan mcdonald has pleaded not guilty. jason van dyke is out of jail on bond. he pleaded not guilty to first- degree murder and misconduct charges at his arraignment on tuesday. police dash cam video captured the shooting in october of 2014. his next hearing is scheduled for january 29th and in cleveland, activists say they plan to protest the grand jury decision not to indict two clevelan

according to the womana when she would try to stop them from hitting her son they would pull the gun on r, keeping her from tryjng to protest her son. "once tied up, the suspects continued to kick and hit the victim wh a crowbar," said det. nick thompson of the sioux city police department. "the men threatened to shoot the residents of the home and demanded money." the mother who still comes to tears when describibi the traumatic incident, said that her son received blows to the head as well as a gash in his back from the beating. her 13-year-old son was also in the home at the harmed, according to police. during the armed robbery, the suspects stole multiple gaming systems, a television and a cell phone. "the suspects did take the cell phone that belonged to the mother, preventing her from calling 9-1-1," "once the suspects left, the younger son did leave to a neighbor's house to phone for help." the teen wenenaround the back of t t home for safety, according to his mother and made his way to the neighbor's where police were finally called.>> i spoke with the 19 year- old victim who

. >> tonight police are questioning the victim's son. randy gyllenhaal is live. >> reporter: police got the 911 call about 3:00 this afternoon. once they got to this home in overbrook, they went to the second floor, and that's where they found the elderly man with multiple stab wounds, and quickly they were able to zero in on a suspect. homicide detectives spent the evening searching for evidence at this overbrook home. and it didn't take long for them to find the murder weapon, a knife police say was used to kill the 82-year-old victim. >> suffered from two stab wounds, one above his eye and one to the back of his neck. >> reporter: in a tragic twist philadelphia police say the elderly man's own son is in custody. he was home when police arrived on scene and is now the only suspect. >> the 29-year-old son lives here with him. the two reside here. the 29-year-old son has been taken to our homicide division and is currently being investigated for this murder. >> very good people. it's a good family. it's a good family. it's just really sad

was attacked by the son. >> the autistic boy came over, ripped him off his bike, threw him on the ground, shook him by his hair while four adults were trying to pry him away and started stomping on his back. >> the boys parents said the allegations of their son's attacks have been, quote, grossly exagross ly exaggerated. >> one of the plaintiff's families doesn't live in the neighborhood anymore. any claims about prething their children is absurd. >> the family's former neighbors say they waited eight months to file a lawsuit, enduring multiple attacks before taking action. >> the focus here is public safety, and the focus is how the parents can achieve that public safety by taking responsibility for their son's behavior. >> now, that trial has been set for about a year from now. in december 2016. flowers, one of the plaintiffs told me while he respects his neighbor's son's rights, no one has the right to attack his child. i'm peggy bunker. >> thank you. >>> new at 5:00, a new twist in the jahi mcmath case.

the other three also do not have sons who happen to also have nuclear authority. [laughter] so we can talk about that in a second if you want. you know what the difference was, i always feared that because your data so generous with his access, you because your mom was so generous, because you are so generous, i worried that i would have a hard time throwing a punch if i had to. but because of the evils that your parent put around this is you call it as you see it, were not -- this is history not journalism, because of that it emanated from your father, the problem became i never met jackson which is a good thing he might've shot me. i never met jefferson or fdr, i never met churchill, so when so when you're writing and you know this, you've done two great books, if you're writing about someone you don't know you don't know what you're missing. if i try to describe what it's like to have dinner with your dad, or sitting around with your father, and i wrote that section and i would think, you know did i quite get it exactly right. because as you know, your father ha

. >> to the churches that hold them, fragments of the true cross are a miraculous link to the son of d. but could these relics possibly be real, and where do they come from? according to church tradition, 300 years after the execution of jesus of nazareth, the mother of the roman emperor constantine, empress helena, arrives in jerusalem. >> she is arguably one of the most revered women of antiquity and of all time. >> she has come to lead a dramatic excavation on the site of christ's crucifixion. >> she has been called the first archaeologist. she is said to have personally discovered the most sacred symbol in christianity, the true cross. the cross on which jesus was crucified. ♪ >> the story of helena puts her at the heart of the story of the christian faith. >> helena is said to have broken up the cross and sent it throughout the roman empire. but as the legend grew, so did the number of relics. there are now more than 1,000 scattered around the world. >> they're in trinkets, they are in necklace amulets, embedded underneath altars, and so there is a good bit of skepticism about re