>> it is -- , but the taliban have some flexibility. they have tried to present themselves as a new movement, more sensitive to the needs of the people. >> so, but the people of day-to- date, not the dollar-a-day, the people in afghanistan, how do they include the television? >> if you are not a pashtun, a minority group, you are opposed to the taliban coming back in any form in the pashtun community there is such a thirst for stability. a willingness to have a safe life to make money and educate your future. people are willing to get that wherever they can. the last 10 years have been difficult for providing that stability. the taliban to provide certain social services like justice. i think we've done a lot to blunt that, but there is more we have to do. >> we are talking with lieutenant daniel green, u.s. navy reserves, the author of " the valleys edge -- a year with the pashtun in the heartland of the taliban." i wonder if you on the cover of. it is a stunning picture. the topography of the country is absolutely amazing. i want to ta

well i mean the top if i was writing a lead for an article the lead would be. taliban and feisty still strong and expect to win. the the of the vast majority of the taliban prisoners who were interrogated and made that they took terrible losses in two thousand and eleven but that's nothing new they've taken terrible losses for the last ten years and yet they keep coming back their one of the most resilient insurgencies the us military has ever faced and maybe we haven't given them the credit that they deserve for being that tough and the report bears out the fact that they are in fact resilient that they are and they really really believe this by losing thousands of people they expect eventually to win. and certainly resilient seems to be the word after a decade long war over there and still no clear victory there apart also reveals taliban prisoners and their collaboration with the pakistani military talk about what this means with for u.s. relations with pakistan well our relations with pakistan are so bad right now it doesn't really harm. our diplomatic relations wi

mohammed mahma, the tribal leader in kandahar was successfully assassinated by the taliban. the u.n. reports that 462 civilians were assassinated by the taliban in 2012 -- excuse me, 2010 alone. and so you would argue by these numbers that the taliban has not abandoned its practice of political assassination, is a form of intimidation in afghanistan. is that correct? >> certainly. >> and so one of the things that we see in reports coming out of afghanistan is the one thing that the taliban has been telling afghans, is in fact, we're coming back. the united states is leaving. we're coming back. as a matter of fact we've got some great cia analysts walk us through that not all that long ago so that's a disturbing trend, don't you think? >> it is, certainly. >> and so you can see where many, maybe someone who looks at all of this information might scratch our head and wonder, given the fact that after the negotiation started, they were committing acts of political assassination to undermine all of the work, all of the sacrifice of the united states military and intelligence forc

but it does give insight into the taliban mind. we do not often no the forces, the enemy facing international troops and afghan forces. we do know now, from these 27,000 interrogations', 4000 militants from al qaeda and taliban, they are still almost a buoyant. they did not believe they will be defeated and they are not ready for surrender. >> if i could come to you in an islamabad -- these accusations are not new but do they come with greater force given the source of information? >> yes, they are not new. in the past, the pakistanis have said there has been flawed intelligence and unreliable sources. they are likely to say the same thing this time. but this time around we are talking about thousands of interrogations' that this is based on. we do also have this time around very specific information about where perhaps taliban leaders or relatives of the hakani that were being hidden in pakistan. there are lines in the report talked about members of that family being based and living right next to the isi headquarters here in this

back the taliban or the afghan government. many people still have not made up their mind. >> this is the afghan police in action. here, they are fighting the taliban, but they also collaborate with the insurgents. they say these man can be trusted. but some reports cannot be believed. >> they have detainees that have just been captured. the perception of their campaign, they are telling us that they think they are winning, and they are telling us that they want us to leave. >> the future of afghanistan depends on its neighbors, and none more so than pakistan. but there are reports that islamabad is supporting the insurgents. the taliban are islamabad according to one report. >> these claims are not new. these kinds of been made for many, many years. it is up to the neighbors like pakistan -- important, yes, but neighbors like pakistan. >> and what of afghanistan for all future? -- and what of afghanistan's future? many afghans from the government to the armed forces when they fear the taliban will be back in power. bbc news, k

can islamabad bring the taliban to the table? >>> good day here in london, early morning in new york, 2:00 p.m. in libya. where on the eve of the first anniversary of the uprising against colonel gadhafi, there's a warning about the statef the company. the rights group amnesty international said armed militias have threatened the security of libya. they say the rebel brigades that helped to topple gadhafi are now torturing those accused of supporting the regime. it accuses the national government of the lack of political will to deal with the militia. the bbc's gabriel gatehouse sent this report to tripoli. in benghazi, the celebrations have begun before the anniversary of the revolution that toppled gadhafi. but for thousands of people held in dell tension accused of loyalty to the regime, there's little to celebrate. amnesty international cataloged evidence of wide spread torture including beatings and whipping, people suspended in contorted positions and subjected to electric shocks. in 12 case, human rights groups say prisone

supporting the taliban. you know that it was really great out to a nato. during a nato meeting is sort of an interesting message that the united states is trying to send to the rest of nato right now and it may be that either it's time to get up and go or the nato needs to reaffirm its commitment for at least one more year are so quickly to clearly just because a combat role is going to be ending does not mean that u.s. troops will be leaving they'll still be advising assisting what do you think if you had to make a guess that timeline is going to be like that how many troops are going to be left after mid two thousand and thirteen. well sixty thousand are going to be there at the beginning of two thousand and thirteen my wager would be that would mean we may see that fall as far as by half by by middle of two thousand and thirteen in the maybe a little bit more after that and into the twenty's and teens by two thousand and fourteen i mean we went down very fast in iraq when we finally began what drawing troops ok and then any comments on the air strike tha

for years, the taliban have complained that the isi is playing a double game with them. but after spending three months interviewing numerous taliban commanders, matt waldman published a widely discussed paper on their isi support. >> from the interviews we conducted, i would say the talibs felt that they needed the support of the isi to conduct their campaign, and, of course, a campaign which has had to escalate to meet the escalation from the coalition side. the strong feeling amongst the talibs is that the isi has very heavy influence over their movement. and they believe that that exists at a local level and at a senior level, in terms of the leadership. what they talk about is the ability of the isi to penalize or to punish those who do not act in accordance with its wishes. >> smith: the taliban commander we interviewed said that if pakistan chose to, it could "arrest us all in an hour." >> grey: how does the pakistan government put pressure on the taliban? >> smith: at best, pakistani pressure on the taliban has been selective. the military has left the haqqani net

continuing to fund the taliban and the haqqani network and i think that as the u.s. leaves are going to see an increased taliban influence i don't think the taliban ever going to be what it was in the one nine hundred ninety s. but they're certainly going to be somewhat of an influence. for the foreseeable future and do you think with the pentagon making this announcement that they have come to the realisation that a war in afghanistan against the taliban is not really winnable at this point. you know i think that i think that the pentagon has seen that they need to change policy you know what secretary gates left he made a couple remarks saying that basically the real problem in afghanistan the political problem is not the military and that we just saw. the deputy secretary michel foreign ways leave and i think the press there is some in workings within the pentagon of arguing about what what needs to occur and leon panetta said essentially that nation building and counterinsurgency is not what the u.s. should be doing so i think that it's more about less less about

pakistan is supporting the taliban. that pakistan knew the location of leaders and leaders of the taliban are living next door to security. the taliban, they have adopted a tactic to lessen violence in some areas and almost withdraw troops. then they will return. when they return, they are more popular. finally, the entire mission in afghanistan is predicated on the hope that eventually the afghan army will be able to take over from foreign soldiers who will leave in 2014. this report says the afghan security forces are collaborating with the taliban. they are selling them weapons and even at the vehicles. members of the afghan government are crossing over to the taliban. we asked nato about this. they said it is confidential. they refused to comment. >> in kabul. the security council is debating whether to adopt a resolution in syria that has been promoted by the arab league. it calls for assad to hand power to a deputy in demand and too violent. some say could lead to civil war. our u.n. correspondent told us when a de

if the taliban is not some outside factor. hey are afghans, and they -- sort out that government themselves. >> had is the impact of this on the re-election of barack obama? >> i think it will help him in the short run through 2012. but if he is re-elected, americans will be very unhappy. >> how much is a lever in this getting him reelected. >> i think obama is on the right side of getting out of iraq politically, and politically getting out of afghanistan for 2012. by 2016, it's another story. >> will he stay in afghanistan through 2014? this was a lot better for him. would you agree? in terms of getting reelected? >> politics work because people are executed with the afghan war and he has the cushion of having killed bin laden which takes the edge off here's a weak president getting out from the fight. but is the wrong thing to do. he should have been willing to see it through to give the government a decent chance. they'll have a civil war. >> never stabilized more than kabul. but that's çwhat president karzai is in charge

leon panetta was asked on capitol hill whether the taliban are the enemy of the u.s. >> the taliban as you know, congressman, is a very broad group. our primary enemy in that part of the world is al-qaida, and the taliban elements, the terrorist elements that support al-qaida are also our enemy. >> reporter: so far no comment on the white house on this report of three-way secret talks with the taliban. it was confirmed by military officials in afghanistan. jon: what a development after ten years of war. steve centanni, thanks. jenna: fox news alert on new unemployment numbers. weekly jobless claims fell by 13,000 last week. that is the lowest level by the way in almost four years. it's also the fourth drop in five weeks, and because that number can be volatile when we see it over a few weeks timeframe that usually is a positive. when unemployment applications also dropped below that 375,000 mark that is also usually a sign that hiring is strong enough to lower the unemployment rate, which is what we want to see right now, unemployment is at 8.3%. also in other news if you're one of the

of the quite assured taliban the old taliban is essentially become in consequential what we have seen an anti cars i movement grow there has been a growing movement that's anti western and of course that's what the west the west wants. government favorable to itself so there's some problems there and also i think the big big big problem is that we still haven't had pakistan come on the side of the afghans or pakistan really a real partner with for the united states so i think that the continued arise in power from the county network specifically and i think that the taliban the idiology is still going to be stronger with our students regardless of whether the u.s. is there or not because we haven't had pakistan drop its support for the taliban and the u.s. has been trying to build some kind of an alliance with pakistan and an effort to help fight against the taliban and afghanistan and light of this recent report that's classified report that was released i mean is that going to show that with this kind of american sentiment that it that is spreading there that at that at any time a r

network and the support in afghanistan the taliban. regime is now in retreat across much of the country and the people of afghanistan especially women are rejoicing afghan women are the bush administration with blatche on to the issue of the oppression of women now women were oppressed a long time and you never heard anybody talk about it but when the u.s. wanted to invade all the women cared so much that president bush or a bush. military in much of afghanistan women are no longer imprisoned in their homes they can listen to music and teach their daughters without fear of punishment the fight against terrorism is also a fight for the rights and dignity of women the media talking to the whole country saying we are going to liberate the women of afghanistan. you can liberate their people you can liberate. and you certainly can't do it through the barrel of a gun. unfortunately now that the recent permanent civil war that we were once again imprisoned by the fear. and things are going backwards somewhat . when i was fifteen years old now

participate in peace talks with the taliban? iscuss it. >>> it has been clear to us reconciliation has to be afghan-led and what president karzai's statement confirmed is that afghanistan is now very much involved in the process of reconciliation. that is extremely helpful and important to determining whether or not we are ultimately going to be able to succeed with reconciliation or not. >> these talks will be better less we talk about them. >> bret: that is the german defense minister saying the officials should not be talk about the peace talks going on between the u.s., the afghan government and the taliban. new element there, the afghan government at the table. we're back with the panel. charles, what about this? how it's been structured, and how important it is to the overall effort? >> there is wisdom in what the german spokesman said. it's rather hilarious to see headlines that say karzai announces secret talks. you know, on the front page of "the post." it's not a secret talk anymore. what is happening here is he trying

political wing of the taliban, should understand that real peace is only possible by talking to the ground fighters." so the bottom line is you're not willing to compromise. you're not willing to collaborate. is there any chance of peace? "if the afghan government announced tomorrow that strict islamist law would be reinstated, we would accept that," he said, "but those in power now will never go along with that." for the moment, there is a huge gulf between what the taliban and their backers want and what america would be willing to accept. isa ward, cbs news, islamabad. >> pelley: we have to note a passing tonight. angelo dundee, the legendary boxing trainer has died. muhammed ali once called dundee, the best trainer in the world. he worked in the corner of nearly every one of ali's fights. he also trained sugar ray leonard and 13 other championes, including george forman. he was 90 years old. the most impressive picture we saw today came from antarctica, a photo taken by a nasa satellite in november showing a giant cra

strategy involves getting the taliban to hold peace talks with the afghan government. clarissa ward spoke with some sliban representative where they live, in pakistan. >> reporter: they call him the farther of the taliban, one of pakistan's most well-known and hard-line islamists. re,visited sami ul haq at his religious school near the afghan border. many afghan taliban leaders and fighters study here, earning it the nickname "the university of jihad." ul haq says that taliban figures be receptive to the idea of peace talks, but that three key commissions must be met first. "the americans must leave afghanistan. uecondly, taliban leaders should be released from guatanamo. the third demand is there should be no outside interference in afghanistan." it is unlikely american negotiators will accept these terms, though release of some prisoners from guatanamo bay has been discussed. while elements of taliban leaderrship may be supportive of peace talks, there are clear signs there are divisions within the group. many of the younger, more militant members say they are not re

the taliban is now claiming responsibility. urning of qur'ans at the u.s. base. the president apologized to hamid karzai, and called the burnings inadvertent. gop presidential candidates, though, continue to slam that apology. here's how it went on sunday. >> we made an enormous contribution to help the people there achieve freedom. and fors us to be apologizing at the time like this is very difficult for the american people to countenance. >> there was no act that needed an apology. it was an inadvertent act, and it should have been left at that. and i think the response needs to be apologized for by karzai and the afghan people of attacking and killing our men and women in uniform. and overreacting to this inadvertent mistake. >>> majority whip senator dick durbin of illinois is with us. he serves on the judiciary, appropriations, and foreign rules committee. thank you for joining us. >> good to be with you. >>> let's talk about afghanistan where things seem to be spiraling out of control. you heard from the republican candida

. >>> also from afghanistan, the taliban is poised to overtake the country as soon as nato forces pull out. >>> and facebook. when can we get in on the action and buy a piece of that pie? time to play reporter roulette. >>> i want to go straight to elizabeth cohen with this massive recall of birth control pills. elizabeth, what exactly is being recalled and why? >> if you are a woman on birth control pills, i suggest you go to your medicine cabinet and see if you have either of these kinds of pills. the first one is called lo/ovral, and the second is generic norgestrel tablets. if you have them -- some of them, not all of them -- there is a mistake in the way they were paj aged and you might not be protected and you need to know they're recalling these. >> so as women are sort of rushing to their medicine cabinets to check, what can they do if they use this kind of pill? >> if you're taking this kind of pill, you want to bring it back to the pharmacy you got it from, and secondly, you want to go to your doctor to get another type of birth control. because it is possible, again, that th

went into the country and now afghanis are bracing themselves for the taliban to return back to power so this seems to be very far from a victory for the u.s. was the war than a waste of time. well certainly the investment of lives and resources in the military for strategy was absolutely a ways we said prior to president obama's latest escalations in afghanistan that you know more troops are not going to solve the problem that if you added more troops you would in increasing the temperature of the conflict to more civilians have become the crossfire and that's exactly what happened so the answer is yes i mean that military first strategy has been a waste and if you heard about the recent nato report that was leaked that showed the taliban's self concept is still very strong you'll see that that military first policy has failed to achieve victory and it was always going to fail to achieve victory the right moves would have been political solutions that would have brought all the stakeholders in afghanistan to the table and elected a government through a legitimate means that would hav

and as you just mentioned this highly classified report that was leaked shows that the taliban backed by pakistan will rise back to power the u.s. has been trying to form some kind of an alliance with pakistan and hopes that they can help and fighting terrorism but in light of this report is any kind of constructive relationship with pakistan now unlikely. well i think it's not quite fair to say that the taliban would return to power the same way that they were in power before the us bays and it's not going to be that cut and dry it will be a very ambiguous relationship as to who is in power using control the thing that's fair to say is that it's not going to be possible through military force to eliminate the taliban as a political force in the life of afghanistan and the longer we put off into real good faith negotiations with our opponents in this conflict the longer we're going to make sure that that conflict is settled by force of arms now what we've said in other pieces that we put out has been that the people in the regions where the insurgency is the strongest what they said t

, 2012, makes for discouraging reading to anyone who thinks the taliban is a spent force. based on interviews with taliban and al qaeda prisoners, it states that though the taliban suffered severely in 2011, its strength, motivation funding and tactical proficiency remain intact. prisoners are not the most reliable sources. but the sheer weight of numbers, 27,000 interrogations of more than 4,000 prisoners held at parwan prison in afghanistan gives the report of ring of truth. the prisoners acknowledge they have lost ground in the south of afghanistan and are no match for american troops. but u.s. force levels are going down from a high of 100,000 to the current 89,000 to 68,000 by september. the prisoners say they are encouraged to fight on by america's supposed ally, pakistan and its intelligence service known as isi. as the report puts it, isi officers tout the need for continued jihad and expulsion of foreign invaders from afghanistan. isi is aware of the activity and the whereabouts of senior taliban personnel. senior taliban leaders meet regularly with isi personnel w

and the taliban. president karzai wanted to send a signal that he is already talking to the taliban. there's a lot tension between pakistan and afghanistan and that is exactly why the pakistani is need iran in order to manage afghanistan now the u.s. will not play that role. >> it is in part because of u.s. policy is leaving a vacuum. >> exactly. this is leaving a vacuum behind and we are losing pakistan at some levels. they're looking for castiles. they're looking for them to help in afghanistan. >> you mentioned the pakistan u.s. relations. does the u.s. need a new approach in dealing with this? is this likely to happen? >> we have had a troubled relationship with pakistan. by letting this collapse the way it has and applying pressure, it has not worked and clearly it is providing new opportunities for both pakistan and iran. it is much better for them to be engaged pakistan and keep them away from iran and create a certain stability. >> there is obviously speculation about what will happen to iran,

with the taliban honor a peace treaty? respondent katherine heritage is in washington tonight. this has gone beyond talk. >> reporter: claiming the obama administration is laying the groundwork to the eventual transfer of the five taliban leaders. >> operational things that have been conducted up to this point so this isn't an as operational policy change. this is something that is well underway. >> reporter: in a statement on the proposed swap, they insisted we haven't committed any resources. we have engaged in diplomatic efforts and will consult with congress so there is a disagreement between chilly and the white house. >> shep: so, listen, we're going to trust the taliban to honor a peace treaty obviously. >> reporter: good question. look at their track record. we apparently have been talking to them this group has continued political assassinations underground intimidation in afghanistan. look at september 2006. pakistani government is dealing with the taliban to end five years of violence tribal areas and stopping at

karzai admitted that contact had been made with the taliban in the presence of the americans, which is something that he's never said before. but we also understand from senior officials close to the president that, in the last few weeks, face to face talks, telephone conversations, as well as a variety of messages were being passed between senior afghan government officials and senior taliban officials. >> i don't suppose there's any great surprise that there are back channels open. but coming public on it does raise the question what sort of level these talks are taking place. do we have any idea yet? upe according to the president, this is a very senior level talk. senior members of the insurgency, but bear in mind that kabul is hoping islamabad would allow direct access, perhaps to someone like his deputy and facilitate talks. that itself mr. karzai is wish on his truck to is lad abam. >> has it made his announcement on the back of the trip that he's just about to embark on, in fact, these trilateral talks on a variety of issues, but, of course, talking to the taliban is one of the