to the taliban want to negotiate? sizing to chapter is very useful and believe it is the longest chapter? of only focus on those in the two issues. after 2001 taliban were routed left in shame and defeat and the people of afghanistan will come back. out haida fled and said -- to clear the hide and i assume it had the same position calling with the infidel in the foreign occupiers and they asked me to lew steady cantar to grapple with what was happening i came to a different conclusion than i originally thought. in short, after 2001 the taliban quipped. it quit wholesale. i mean those that constitute the insurgency had quit and tried to engineer the deal with the afghan government. i dug up a quote that the pakistan a cleric's try to drum up support and say we need to send many to fight the occupiers. but to this is from a very high-ranking person who's said we want to tell the people the taliban system is no more. they should not give any more donations. the government is established we will not launch any action again

the taliban system is no more. they should not get any donations in the the name of the taliban. if a stable islamic government is established we won't launch any action against. and on one level this didn't seem surprisingly but if you look at the broad history over the last 30 odd years, it's really not that surprising. what you see when to look at afghan history and the last two decades is a large number of factions that are fighting against each other that switch allegiances over the years, and they're driven by survival essential. so with the taliban particularly bit of power in 1994, starting in kandahar. what they did is they displace a lot of powerbrokers or warlords and they get these warlords an option in the south, essentially submit to us and surrender your weapons and sit at home and give up politics altogether and we will let you live, or if not we will fight you. so some of them fled to pakistan and some of them stayed in afghanistan and did what they were told. talking to the taliban leadership, a lo

the role of religion and the narratives that the afghan taliban offering the pakistani taliban offer ten couched in militant terms, does that play with the populations of taliban -- talibanistan and something that brings something closer to them or is it just political verbiage with a different addressing? >> answers have to be like 30 seconds please. sorry. we have got to wrap it up. >> in the case of police, the reason there was not investment and police in pakistan is because of sheer incompetence. of course that leads to lack of political will. i will also criticize the government as well as the pakistan government. in 2001 to 2008 the u.s. started looking at the police is an important institution. but why from 2001 to 2000 adobe's departments and organizations in the u.s. never talked about counterterrorism as a civil law issue. >> a good point. >> there are elements of the taliban who believe this is the right time to negotiate because they don't think that the '90s taliban will be reconstituted. there are others who disagree with that, but that is essentially wide. they think t

the taliban. or the government. my jailer said to me not a shot would be fired in afghanistan without the backing of the pakistani government so were the taliban in touch with the government did the government of pakistan know i was there did the government of pakistan in intervene and ultimately save me. did jalali the in the whole county network that we are at war with. and with which i lived in the one nine hundred eighty s. and his name i use constantly to try and save me and who i was trying to get to because i thought by getting to a kani i could find out about al qaeda did he ultimately hold on to that tribal law and say me i've heard so many different things that's why it's a very murky complicated place in the war is far far different from the way we perceive it in the media speaking of tribes what are u.s. intelligence capabilities among the tribes do you believe that washington has enough knowledge when it comes to the language and cultural experience of the particular reasons in afghanistan that need to

we give you the money, and you still allow the taliban to be around this. this is a harder balance to reach. but there is absolutely -- the microfinance projects have been good not only for empowerment, but also for gender equality. that has been a model in afghanistan, to reach out to smaller rural communities. >> the back row. >> thank you. i run the u.s.-indian security forum. my question is directed toward the ambassador. the first is a comment. the indo-afghan strategic partnership was signed with mutual hesitation by both parties. nobody rushed into it. that is when,. my question is related to the ethnic composition and the training and support of the army, which ambassador kahn objects to india's role in it. can you comment on afghanistan's role in it? >> i would like to talk about nato's role, longer term. when the recruitment process started and the security situation was not as challenging as it is today, a lot of the people and listed from the provinces many from the south and north, and some of the leadership of the ministry of defense belong to

the holy cloak. this is what a taliban leader told me. in fact, in the past 100 years the cloak only came out, if you will, if you were confined within a association association with that term, but anyway, closest i could translate, came out when the legendary teen wore it to save asked in a stand in -- the prophet cloak can be opened only when touched by a true leader of the faithful taliban, mullah omar has the right touch. so, so all open the chests for him. as anand talked about after the initial american victory in afghanistan, mullah omar and his top leaders retreated to pakistan. i received what anand is true. they didn't fight and a lot of them try to get deals. i received a very different explanation for this, and you can take it for what it's worth. but it was recounted to me am mullah omar was tested by the taliban defeat. he was paralyzed with an action, and he was taking up shop in qatar. couldn't decide what to do. he couldn't decide whether to launch a holy war or not. reason, he was waiting patiently for a true dream from g

as i said, pakistan could not treat the taliban or the afghan taliban leadership the way it treated al qaeda. the situation after 2009, when the american position toward reconciliation and toward the taliban started changing -- the situation is a bit different. i would say that after a period of certain tentativeness, today, the reconciliation efforts appear to be iran-lead, which it had to be. pakistan and the united states can play a supportive role. pakistan should be positive and helpful. but it should not be eager, because eagerness can very easily be misinterpreted as having its own agenda or trying to interfere, or trying to support one party or the other. at the same time, i would say there should not be unrealistic expectations from pakistan, with regard to the taliban. we can persuade them to do certain things, but there are limitations. i would say, generally, we had experience with the mujahideen. at critical times, they never accepted our point of view. the taliban should be free to talk with whoever they want. the can also stay in pakistan, like several million other afgh

they are trying to transform the afghan taliban into a political force. a director from the atlantic council says releasing them may not help the pakistan any people in the long run. -- the pakistani people in the long run. >> there is a very real possibility of sanctuary, as well as militants that have been fighting with the taliban against the state of pakistan, so pakistan risks of not if the taliban comes back to power. that is something it certainly does not favor. it also does not favor that they have control of the border territory. >> now, the latest in our series, looking ahead to 2013. elections scheduled in may of next year in pakistan. it will be the first time the government has completed a full five-year term. and some issues are more basic. our reporter explains. >> the shelves are stocked, but there are few customers. one family has run this vegetables and fruit stand for over 25 years, but their business has been struggling in recent years. >> the customers are very worried. their monthly income is just not enough to buy our produce. i jus

also on the table i've talked to some former taliban commanders in doha that come in and out that are extremely frustrated with pakistan. mohammed elbaradar and how he has been treated and how he is kept out of the network of negotiations, so i know that the white house and doug lou have been in favor -- >> i want to do record keeping here. chris with the political side of your brain, which is that jay rockefeller -- >> it's most of my brain. >> five-term senator and an extraordinary leader from west virginia announced that he isn't going to run for another term. he started out as a visa volunteer in, you know, appalachiana coming from the rockefeller. he is john d. rockefeller's -- >> this is the rockefeller of the rockefeller. >> he is the fourth. you know, he is -- i have to just say an extraordinary senator. i covered him as a senator. i know him as well, you know, in washington all of these years, and this is another great loss for the old guard of the senate. he was the commerce chairman. he was the intelligence chairman. he knew how to work across party lines. he has been a use

could this explain the recent surge in taliban violence in afghanistan? ative journalist antonia juhasz has found after a three-week undercover investigation. she writes, the result is clear and far from unique to afghanistan. as the development of oil and gas sector has risen so too has violence and insecurity. the author of "the tyranny of oil." thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> john: why should americans care about this particular story? >> well, the u.s. pentagon is leading the development of oil and gas in afghanistaned and what that has meant is an increase in violence. that's a problem for afghans certainly, and it's a problem for troops fighting in afghanistan, and it could be a cause to delay our leaving afghanistan, which i think something most americans want to see happen. >> john: indeed. now when we think about holy-producing nations afghanistan does not usually come up in the top ten. how much oil is underneath afghan soil. >> yeah, it doesn't have a lot. it doesn't have a lot of natural gas. it doesn't compare to iraq. afghanistan h

to the table my suspicion is not and the taliban is divided between the hardliners who want to hold out and go for an all out victory and those who are weary of the war and want some sort of a compromise but if i was the taliban i would say look maybe we should hold out here because certainly they're negotiating position seems to be preferable in neighboring pakistan security forces. in that country. troops in mali following massive clashes between militants and government forces in a key central town french president francois hollande earlier voiced his country's readiness and to intervene to hold rule advances the security council has already approved a plan to deploy three thousand african soldiers in spring islam was captured northern mali and have since claimed further advances. the assassination of three female could activists in paris appears to be the result of an internal feud that's the suggestion from turkish prime minister tayyip edda one citing evidence that only people known to the victims had access to the building in which the murders took place one of the three wome

who are terrorist, more the good taliban, who are the bad taliban? and what extent you're ready to compromise. we have to reach this agreement among ourselves as afghans, as a nation and then with pakistan and united states, allies, and then to go to the other side of the table. that's the key for reconciliation. another issue that has taken a lot of attention of course impacting is insider attack. sometimes people are disappointed and say how could this happen, and how could they turned their guns against us? and again, this is an important issue because that's the most successful package. it undermines trust. between the forces, and it really, the most effective way of destabilizing afghan security forces. the reason for the, that -- what's happening. first reason is infiltration. of course, the purpose we infiltrate, we have low recruiting. we don't have a strong national data system to look after who's coming in. so infiltration is the first part. second part is intimidation. when people are listening to the national army of police force, contact

despite the billions spent and the thousands of lives lost, the taliban has not been defeated. some say at the america pulls out too quickly, it will be trade promises made and leave afghanistan vulnerable. >> it will be difficult to engage down the road if there is a large al qaeda return or the taliban takes over the country, to get the afghanistan's to trust us when we say we will be there to help you. >> america described it as the final chapter in afghanistan. president obama downsized out of the ambitions, winding down the war that is increasingly unpopular at home. this is not the final chapter. that is just that americans have grown wary about spending the money and spilling the blood. >>> for more on the future of the u.s. mission, i spoke a short time ago with the former u.s. ambassador to afghanistan. ambassador, thank you very much for coming in. president obama says that things are going so well he can actually speed up the transition. are the afghan security forces really ready to take over in the spring or is this more a matter of expediency for both countries? >>

so i think part of the taliban at least should be part of the government. i think that needs to be the way forward. having said that, i think that if afghanistan were allowed to fall under hard core islamic fundamentalist taliban, hard core regime, that the whole region would take notice. i think people around that region would begin to question where the future was going. i think pakistan would have serious challenges to its own ability to maintain stability. because if you think about it, they've got a pakistani taliban insurgency which is very dangerous, an afghan taliban run afghanistan would be a staging area to support that. so i think pakistan's stability would at least be challenged. >> i want to ask you about intelligence gathering and the treatment of prisoners, part of the legacy of this war on terror. a piece in the "los angeles times" i read this week and it was interesting because she said, look, we have to look at the totality of the fight to get bin laden. and there was incredible work done behind the scenes, incredible work done by intellig

i am not going to go into details of these as far as the taliban as concerned. there is no question of popular returning to get in why i did enter the mid 1990's. there are reasons for this. there are to be details. i was the before the moment. there is one thing it. pakistan cannot treat them. this is a point which i think was the demographics and the history and a culture. we will appreciate as much as any pakistan would -- it will remain part of the afghan landscape. here there was a disconnect between the of kasten a position right after 9/11. i think he has made a remark that it their position is not -- it was not helpful. even at that time, pakistan has argued that reconcilable pakistan should be brought into the floor of the process. that is passed. and this brown there has been a misunderstanding of but say even unfair accusations pakistan has been double dealing etcetera, pakistan could not treat al qaeda -- after two of the night but the american afghanistan where the situation may be different. i have stated after a period of certain tentativeness toda

of the taliban. it is a decision of the supreme commander of the taliban for negotiations. it must be remembered that there is a realization that they are not going anywhere and any city a political settlement. the taliban are expecting the release of their commander who is in guantanamo and the release of their [indiscernible] if that happens, there is optimism by the taliban say that it is the first time there's real hope. you have to understand that this is a conflict problem and will take some time we are able to get any clear indication as to where these talks are going. >> around 120 soldiers from the democratic republic of congo have arrived in the central african republic's capital. troops have been sent there as part of a regional military force to support the government of the central african republic. rebel forces are moving in. in the past month, the group that consists of three rebel forces has captured several towns and cities. just this saturday, they seized sibut, 180 kilometers from t

the taliban ran the medrossas, those are gone now. currently if you walked into southwest afghanistan you would see many marines but you would also see 25,000 kids in school. you would see close to 3,000 girls. there is a teacher's college that has been renovated in the big city and there are aspiring teachers studying at that college. there are women's centers established in two of those districts and there are afghan parents and educators involved in their local schools. and to just pull a thread on what many of our senior leadership has said throughout the couple of days, indeed the u.s. military is a global force for good and we will always seek opportunities to leave every place better than when we arrived. and i appreciate your time, appreciate your attention. thank you. . (applause). >> thank you, nita, following along we're going to have colonel barry newland. >> thanks, lewis. i'd like to thank nina for doing a great job of setting the stage so i don't have to go through and do the same thing. so great job. i do not in these

to the table my suspicion is not and the taliban is divided between the hardliners who want to hold out and go for an all out victory and those who are weary of the war and want some sort of a compromise but if i was the taliban i would say look maybe we should hold out here because certainly their negotiating position seems to be preferable will be brief tonight in neighboring pakistan security forces are on high alert in the country's largest city correct the string of bombings targeting shia muslim to cross the country has left at least one hundred fifteen people dead so the extremists of admitted carrying out the deadliest attack on a crowded billion hole in the southwest killing eighty one there and injured more than one hundred twenty shia muslims are a minority in pakistan and the target of violent attacks which have seen in recent . other world views the un for swift deployment of international troops in mali after massive clashes between militants and government forces in the central town president of france france were alarmed earlier voiced his country's readiness to inte

i mean, our goal was to, you know, eradicate the taliban. we are far from that. me i'm disappointed that we continue to have more than 60,000 troops in that country. >> bret: charles? >> obama was careful to define the role as merely blunting or decimating al-qaeda. if that is the case the goal was achieved in six months. obviously, the surge that he ordered was meant for something much largeer. the fact is that it's sort of today was acknowledgment that the surge failed. and we're leaving. the question is whether what do you leave behind? the most important element in this decision is that we want to use afghanistan as a base not for afghanistan itself, which doesn't really matter. but for pakistan. it's the northern part of pakistan. waziristan, which is where the new homeland is of terrorist is who would attack the american homeland. i think what the objective would be is to have a small number of bases, small number of soldiers from which you could direct the trone attacks or special forces. remember, in the raid to kill bin laden, launching area was from afg

to the taliban. they cite a high unemployment rate for the reason for their frustration. what will you do to combat this trend? >> the high peace council whose chairman is here with us, a fund is dedicated to this purpose. this is the reintegration program. they are driven back with society. if there are instances, and i am sure there are, it requires assistance sooner and we will definitely look at it. it is a very important question, thank you for reminding us. >> the last student organization we would invite is the muslim student association. >> good evening, mr. president. i am with the moslem student association. we understand education as a vital factor in the overall growth and future stability of afghanistan. educated citizens can drive change from within. what are your plans short-term and long-term to ensure that this progress that you mentioned of education continues to move forward? especially in regard to increased access of education for women. >> we did see a great deal of violence aga

there will be different factions within the taliban, leaders within it fighting for position, and that could create some instability. we may see the condemnation. this time, they may very well be real. >> aleem maqbool, our correspondent in islamabad. children in connecticut are returning to class at sandy hook, closed since adam lanza shot dead 20 children and six teachers. former army chief has been arrested as part of an investigation into a coup in 1997. they forced an islamist-leaning government out of power. he is expected to testify in ankarqa later. the gunman is believed to have family links to some of his victims. officials confirmed the gunman was once committed to a psychiatric hospital and had had his gun taken away. at the time of the shooting, he had other guns in his possession. at a news conference, more details have emerged about his victims. >> sadly, three people died. two others were injured, aged 33 and 63. tragically, it turns out one of those killed was married to one of those injured. they are the parents of two young children. to geneva. is there any more that

to the table my suspicion is not and the taliban is divided between the hardliners who want to hold out and go for an all out victory and those who are weary of the war and want some sort of a compromise but if i was the taliban i would say look maybe we should hold out here because certainly their negotiating position seems to be preferable well we'll see what happens in the next couple of days after that meeting with president barack obama daniel agger of the country re solution think tank thank you for your time. secrets of from our planet's prehistoric pas could not be uncovered after russian researchers minister retrieve ancient eyes from an tactic as big as a subglacial league it wasn't easy to get hold of either they had to drill down over three kilometers to get to lagos dog which has been sealed for some twenty million years argy its own garden told me how it is not just annual frozen lake. not all ice is the same we can see some pictures here from last year in february when the first breakthrough was made down below this huge thick ice sheet to what's called a sub lake the

. >>> afghan president hamid karzai has called on the taliban to respond to his government's call for peace talks. he insists that foreign powers should not lead the process. karzai made the comments in a speech in the capital kabul. he said the taliban must take part in negotiations if afghans are to live in peace. >> translator: some foreign powers have approached the taliban to hold talks through side channels rather than working with the government. but the taliban should not be cheated. >> the taliban have set up a liaison office in qatar and called on u.s. officials to lead talks. they say karzai and his administration are a puppet government, and they've rejected direct talks. >>> american, japanese, and european auto makers have all felt the pinch of the european debt crisis, but one is feeling it in particular. ai uchida joins us now from the business desk. so ai, we've talked before about what's been a rough ride for automakers. >> we have, catherine. and you might remember e.u. new car sales plunged to a 17-year low last year. but one american carmaker in particular, as you

i was there when the taliban were in power. the good news gets excused -- of scared. >> thanks for coming in. afghanistan the focus of attention. i will be discussed at both meetings at the white house. a quick look at other news from around the world. president chavez will not be attending this thursday's story in of his third term. he will miss the ceremony because of ill health. he has been receiving medical care for cancer in cuba and he has not been heard of -- from since his fourth round of surgery which was on december 11. condoleezza rebels have declared a unilateral cease-fire in hopes of an end to nine months of revolt. the rebels had agreed to pull out of the east city in december. they announced a cease-fire ahead of a second round of negotiations with president kabila's government. the indian army said a patrol had come under fire. pakistan has denied the accusations. it accused indian troops of killing a pakistani soldier in a cross border attack. chinese citizens have been demonstrating in the southern city protes

they are afraid of the taliban. they are saying, you know, karzai and those people, are they going to protect us? the answer is no. so that they are not really throw throwing in with the u.s. and the coalition forces. >> you have hit the nail right on the head to use yet another cliche. the fundamental difference between the afghan forces that we spent over a decade. rag bag taliban is at that time taliban believe in what they are fighting for. they are fighting for their faith and for all sorts of other reasons too. primarily on a jihad. we expect the afghan army and police to fight for harmid karzai. >> it's not that simple though. the taliban is so brutal and the afghan people don't like them. maybe you fight against the taliban rather than for karzai. i will give colonel hunt the last word on it? >> you can the problem is insurgency. 7 to 10 years to fight. this hasn't been fought well. not just a political disaster for obama. a military because many of our four star generals did not know what they were doing. th

obama also endorsed peace talks with the enemy, the taliban. jor garrett is covering at the white house for us tonight. major? >> reporter: scott, the president has long encouraged the afghan government to seek peace with taliban fighters who infiltrate from neighboring pakistan. today for the first time mr. obama said those talks are specific enough that they deserve a formal home. >> president karzai updated me on the afghan government's road map to peace and today we agreed that this process should be advanced by the opening of a taliban office to facilitate talks. >> reporter: prospects for peace remain dim and taliban aggression when fighting resumes this spring is not expected to let up. but the u.s. combat role will never be the same. >> our troops will continue to fight alongside afghans when needed, but let me say it as plainly as i can: starting this spring our troops will have a different mission. training, advising, assisting afghan forces. it will be an historic moment and another step toward full afghan sovereignty, something i kno

the afghan talks with the taliban. where does that stand from president karzai and the afghan government's stance at this point? >> efforts lead by the united states were centered around opening, president karzai endorsed that which is a positive development. >> a new move. >> it's a new move and we move us toward the direction in being on the same page among ourselves as afghans, americans and pakistanies. before we have to be on the same page and it will take us one step closer to that objective. >> i think it's going to be a difficult process. i'm glad we are engaged in negotiations with the taliban and the afghan government's negotiation with its taliban are most important. we should facilitate it but not jump in and try to resolve the problem os ourselves. however i think that afghan journalist question on gend are equality during the press conference showed maybe an unmovable obstacle which is what the taliban do too womenon the one hand and what the afghan constitution says to protect women, on the other hand you

it is not under the control of a taliban dominated government. i think that there is every potential that the capacity exists right now for them to do that. the challenge will be can the government and to a lesser degree the military and police because i think they are rapidly building that capacity, can those two entities build enough legitimacy of the people to give that kind of commitment. i don't think it's a guarantee, i think that that has got to be proven and that's -- >> rose: many people including some journal it's i respect look at the circumstances and say it's almost impossible. >> i just share is a different view. i think the afghans are more resillient and adaptable. >> rose: some people look at it from -- okay. iraq. you go to iraq and you get there and you say we had a would be store and we became amazon.com. what was amazon.com and what was that sort of art in which you essentially defined what is an important element, you gave definition to which has become an important element of america employment of force. >> i was part of a t

as i said, pakistan could not treat the taliban or the afghan taliban leadership the way it treated al qaeda. the situation after 2009, when the american position toward reconciliation and toward the taliban started changing -- the situation is a bit different. i would say that after a period of certain tentativeness, today, the reconciliation efforts appear to be iran-lead, which it had to be. pakistan and the united states can play a supportive role. pakistan should be positive and helpful. but it should not be eager, because eagerness can very easily be misinterpreted as having its own agenda or trying to interfere, or trying to support one party or the other. at the same time, i would say there should not be unrealistic expectations from pakistan, with regard to the taliban. we can persuade them to do certain things, but there are limitations. i would say, generally, we had experience with the mou should be in -- mujadeen. at critical times, they never accepted our point of view. the taliban should be free to talk with whoever they want. the can also stay in pakistan, like several

and therefore people had a sanctuary from supporting the taliban in afghanistan. and they go back across the border. and that therefore americans were being killed by people who had a safe refuge and the pakistani army was not vigorous enough in going into north wazirstan even though it was difficult. >> uh-huh. charlie that is very interesting. i find this to be the most fascinating blame on pakistan or allegation on pakistan ever. because you know pakistan is a country which forth last ten years has gone through enormous, has had to, a not of our own choice but we have had to make enormous sacrifices. we lost 40,000 civilians in the last ten years. we lost 6,000 para military, military, law enforcement forces in the last ten years. we have had multiplicity of bomb attacks inside our colleges, schools, school buses, bazaars, villages, et cetera. now if we had the ability or the capacity to stop it in afghanistan, than would it not be in our national interest to at least be able to stop it in pakistan first. or is this some perception of strategic depth we have tha

the taliban are extremely divided. and it is not clear whether they're even sincere about the talks or using them as a tactic. i'll be honest with you. i think at the end of the day, you're going to have the taliban once again have a role in afghanistan, particularly in the south, where they have all the ethnic ties. they're going to be part of afghanistan's future. what is not obvious, though, is that the taliban, even after they come back, are going to once again establish a close relationship with al qaeda. it is quite possible that they learned their lesson. what this suggests is you could have an afghanistan which does not provide sanctuary to al qaeda, to any significant degree, but will also be an afghanistan that kind of looks messy, that looks tribal, that has all these ethnic and geographic divisions and in some ways looks quite a bit like the afghanistan before the united states invested this decade of effort. >> did something jump out at you, richard, you watched this afghanistan story for a long time, from

but i would say that first when i arrived in 2002 in afghanistan, pretty early after the fall of the taliban, the country was devastated physically and traumatized psychologically. it was literally a basket case, didn't know what was up. and normal was before 1978, that was 24 years at the time. people couldn't remember normal. they made a lot of progress. there are girls in school. there is progress, greater security in places like helmut. there is progress, it is imperfect. now they're scared. they're scared of 2014 because there is a lot to lose now, and they had chaos for 34 years, and the afghan people don't want to lose it. i think what the afghan people want from the u.s. and the west is strategic partnership, not numbers of people, but it's a relationship that gives them the confidence that we are enough of a partner that if they need our help, not thousands of troops, maybe not even billions of dollars. >> but some sort of presence. >> some sort of presence and some relationship. >> but how do you have that relationship when you have afghan soldiers, afghan police killing u.s. nato

. >> his killing will not bode well for the peace talks with the taliban. it comes at a time when the u.s. and pakistan are making efforts to engage with them. pakistan said the program was counterproductive and of violation of its sovereignty. -- a violation of its sovereignty. >> they have eliminated a crucial link, whether it has any major impact on the reconciliation process, it is difficult to say at the moment. there is someone else who could walk into the footsteps. >> u.s. troops are said to leave in 2014. this death could further jeopardize the prospects of these future -- of a future deal. the killing also coincides with a conditional offer by the pakistanis about a possible cease-fire. military leaders are due to meet on friday. the killing is expected to have an impact on pakistan's 2014 strategy. al jazeera, is all about. >> as western troops prepare to pullout, a growing number of citizens are considering leaving. they fear the possible return of the taliban and more instability. when the taliban were toppled in 2001, 52,000 applied for asylum

right now but i would say when i arrived in 2002 in afghanistan, pretty early after the fall of the taliban, the country was devastated physically and traumatized sipsychologically. it was literally a basket case. didn't know which way was up. normal was everything before 1978. people couldn't remember normal. they've made a loving progret o. there are girls in school. it's imperfect but now they're scared because there's a lot to lose now. they had this kchaotic 34 year and they don't want to lose it. it isn't numbers of people but it's a relationship that gives them the confidence that we'll are enough of a partner that if they need our help -- not thousands of troops and no billions of dollars -- >> but some sort of relationship. >> some relationship. >> how do you have that when you have afghan forces killing nato forces and personnel? >> there's a lot of mistrust. >> now we stop going on patrols with these guys. >> for a period they did but in reality, again, if you use the anecdote to prove the whole, sometimes it's not true. the wider story is more complex. you've been there. there's