we're very proud of what we've done in the teamsters union. we've taken this union from the union that was bankrupt, falling apart literally, and made it is what it is today. when we took over, this union was a union where sister -- local against local, joint council against joint council. there was chaos and we came in and reached out and reached out to the people that opposed us to say, enough, we cannot have a civil war in this union. we must unite this union. and fortunately we have. we are building strong union and we are united today. we thought we had an election. i'd like to talk about the fact the teamsters union has 1.4 million unions, we are in united states, canada, 150,000 members in canada. we are in puerto rico. we are the most democratic union in the united states. we are very proud of it. an effective we are elected by the members. we are not elected by business agents. we are elected by ballots being mailed out to members all over the place. we mail out $1.4 million. they come back, and i running it over here, my secretary tre

in other words was it just the teamsters. we pooled our resources into one idea we only intend to go back a mobile will continue to do that because we realize with regard to politics come with regard to the attack on working families, we have to be together for me to pool our money and the labor table has been a big success for a summer very proud of that. >> the teamsters have been under a consent decree said nancy and and the name. when you think it will be lifted? >> hopefully soon. we can work in a long time. were under a consent decree in a consent decree has been on since 1989. we would like to see evicted. but talking to the government about it. our union is a clean union and there is no corruption. we are democratic, more democratic than almost any other union. we just went through another cycle of elections, so i don't know what else there is to be done. we're looking forward to settling our case. a consent decree is the oldest kid some attack it and you would think someone would want to settle it. we're ready to ente

the country. that is what teamsters are. how our union was settled. >> how about a round of applause for our speaker. [applause] i would like to say thank you to the national press club for organizing today's event. you can find more information about the national press club on www.press.org. thank you. we are adjourned. [captioning performed by national

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hoffa, the second longest-serving president in teamster history, mr. fa grew up on the picket lines and union meetings. on his 18th birthday, he received his own union card. among his early union jobs, unloading freight from ships, truck driver, bus driver and heavy equipment operator. in 1966 mr. hoffa earned a law degree from the university of michigan and began a 25-year career as a teamster attorney representing members and local unions. he was elected president of the union in 1999. on march 19, 2013, mr. hoffa will surpass his father to become the second longest-serving general president in the 110-year history of the teamsters' union. please join me in welcoming to the national press club teamsters' president jim hoffa. [applause] >> thank you, madam president. it's a great pleasure to be here at the press club at this us a spishes time. there's so much going on in our country right now, and it's a great pleasure to be here with so many friends and so many people from the media and to talk about what the issues are today. first of all, i want to

we are ready for the teamsters win. >>vicki: it did not look to get out there in arizona. amondbacks rookie pitcher lasted eight innings and drove in four runs beating the giants 10-2. the giants are now 7.5 games over the dodgers. the oakland a's still left their serious these factors. they beat baltimore by one game. >>vicki: we do have some breaking news. fullscale riots have broken out in afghanistan. this is apparently in reaction to the anti islam film. we will have more news in the morning. for that will wrap it up for us. we're headed into fall next weekend. >>brian: saturday begins fall. it will feel a little cooler this week, especially in the week temperatures, low-mid '80s concord, antioch and livermore, 70's in the south bay. fog in the morning, sunday afternoon. that will keep going to the week. >>vicki: good night everyone. [ laughter ] [ girl ] wow. you guys have it easy. i wish i had u-verse when i was your age. in my day, we didn't have these fancy wireless receivers. blah, blah, blah. if i had a sleepover, i couldn't just move the tv into the playroom. no

ttday, policeeare digging into rrmains of the teamster boss e who vanished in 1975. it comes pfter officers goo a tip that a body may have been buried there around the same time say the radar pcked up on something underneath this shed..... but the police chief is skeptical. i don't think it's mr. hoffa. it would be great if it was because i would like to bring closure to his family and the tens of thouuands teamsters that iddlize this an and just the southeast of michigan. &pthis is likk an open wound that doesn't go away. 3 detectives took soil samples from the driveway to see if there are, in fact, hhman remains there. ttst results are expecteddto be back nexttweek. a terror scare thht involved what looked like a grenade launcher.but it urns out the whole thing was a hoax. hoax.""i. i'm an independent filmmaker who wishes ooremain anonymous for reasons you will soon understand" understanddpolice ii phoenix, arizona say that filmmaker, michael turrey staged a fakk terrorist incident to test police response time, and made a movie bout it....... youtubeeaccorddng to po

. >> stephanie: oh, the teamsters just walked in. i'm getting hot. all right. republican argument against the president reelection was actually pretty simple, pretty snappy. it went something like this. we left him a total mess. he hasn't cleaned it up fast enough, so fire him and put us back in. >> that was an ad lib i'm sure. >> yeah, there is nobody better at ad libs than bill clinton. >> stephanie: can you imagine in front of that size of audience. yeah, i'm going to wing it. here is the difference between their convention and our convention, clint. >> yeah, talk to this chair. that would be an ad lib. >> stephanie: especially the part about afghanistan because you could hear the audience go the skewby do. >> that was bush's. i think he chair had a better military strategy than -- see is what happens if you are watching on current tv -- chris lavoie looking around seeing if there is a bigger name than me. >> i'm looking for sandra fluke. would you like me to get up out of the chair and actually do my job. >> stephanie: no. >> fine. >> stephanie: people under

let's bring in james hoffa, president of international brotherhood of the teamsters. also with us tonight, larry cohen, president of the communication workers of america. great to have you here tonight. mr. hoffa, you first, what does president obama need to do to energize the ranks of labor and how important it is for labor to get behind this president, given the record of mitt romney? >> well, i think he's got to keep doing what he did today in toledo, what joe biden did today in detroit. we've got to start talking about the accomplishments of labor, what they have done. that basically energized our people to realize they appreciate what we have done and to basically build the middle class. and we need more of that. i hope here at this convention, in the next three days, you're going to see more of that. we're going to have bill clinton, you're going to have michelle obama, and you're going to have the president talking about these issues. i think they can energize people and get a big bounce out of this convention that basically the republicans didn't get because th

the teamsters, the sherman, the operating engineers, a lot of the unions were probably almost controlled. is there any evidence that organized crime is in the private sector unions? >> not really. what they have -- they've become very legitimate. the number of the union heads are referred to as the ivy league amigos. these are people who are highly trained. craig becker the famous lawyer of sci you that went to be on the appointee, he is a law school grad. he wasn't going at night but these are very highly trained business people. they are not traditional union members that work their way up. he was the head of the american federation of teachers and has a very strong academic background. but teaching is just a very minor part of it to get a start in the union but was never a classic teacher working her way up. these are professionals running large organizations. if you took the amount of money you take annually that the unions take at the top of the fortune 500. if you're talking about huge mass of organizations organized crime shadow boss is in the book if there is any, and i can't go

the teamsters, the long shoreman, operating engineers, a lot controlled by it. is there any evidence that organized crime is involved in public sector unions? >> not really. they have become very legitimate. a lot of -- a number of union heads are referred to as the ivy league amigos. craig becker, the famous lawyer of sciu, a recess appointee, i mean, he's a yale law school grad. he was not going to law school at night. these are very highly trained business people. they are not union members who worked their way up. head of the american federation of teachers is a very -- has a strong academic background, but teaching was just a very minor part of it, enough to get started in the union, but she was never a classic teacher working her way up. these are professionals running large organizations. if you took the amount of money they take in annually, that these unions take in, they would be in the top fortune 500. you're talking about huge, massive organizations. i don't see a lot of the influence of organized crime. i will -- we go into some of that in "shadowbo

i would also like to thank the gardening staff, the teamsters, the operating engineers, everyone who makes my operation possible, even down to the local vendors and everyone that keeps my organization running. thank you. as you all know, san francisco has hosted premier events, the charles schwab cup, the recent nfc championship games. these events put san francisco on a national stage. every employee, supervisor stepped up and made both events extremely successful. it was transparent to the attendees and the television viewers that there was a third team out there. that was the recreation and that was the recreation and parks department.

cops taking soil samples from beneath the concrete after he may, may, may have seen someone bury the teamster leader this 30 years ago according to the witness. the case has been a mystery since the disappearance in 1975 and seen outside a restaurant near detroit. his body never turned up. there have been new leads. in 2004 they tore up the floors of a home in detroit. nothing. in 2006, acts tore down a barn in michigan following a fairly credible tip. nothing. in 2009 the f.b.i. dug around a lumberyard in michigan. again, nothing. today, they are looking under a driveway. again, they will find...trace covering it from los angeles. trace? >>trace: the tipster is actually dying of cancer. they will not i.d. the guy. they believe the reason this guy thinks that hoffa is buried beneath the driveway is he is assuming it is hoffa because he disappeared about the same time that somebody was buried beneath that driveway. the police say their source did not only bellish the story at all and although the timeline could be a little bit off, overall, they think he is pretty credible. >> sometimes you sp

off of buried there 35 years ago if there have been countless theories about what happened to the teamsters boss, his body has never been found. >>> researchers in switzerland clamed they found a second inning for the mona lisa it reveals what they say an earlier painting of the younger mona lisa. they spanned three decades doing x-rays and examinations to back up the klanclaim they say that painting hung i noticed for a century but not everybody is convinced. some experts say it was probably an unknown pay painter who tried to copy density here's a peek out side, we have low clouds and fog not much changing weather wise where is dan hurd: when i was a child, california was a leader in education funding. erika derry: and the fact that california isn't making it a priority frustrates me. dan hurd: i'm ashamed of that, and i don't want this to continue for my daughter. brenda kealing: prop 38 is going to bring a lot of money to our schools. suzan solomon: the money stays at the school site. cade derry: what i would really like to see is that the teachers... that were laid off come back to the

there's been a number of searches for hoffa since the teamster leader disappeared in 1975. >>> time for a look at weather across the country. a chance of showers in the northeast. also, showers and thunderstorms from pittsburgh to cleveland, louisville, wichita and oklahoma city. stormy from the texas panhandle to then, with fuel running throw, she told the 190 passengers onboard to brace for impact. >> they told us the front gear was -- had a problem. so, we would have an emergency landing. >> a lot of things go through your mind. that might be the last time you're going to fly. you know? or have a chance to see anybody. but it worked out fine. >> amazingly, just 50 feet above the runway, those front wheels turned forward again. and the plane touched down without incident, prompting a huge round of applause as you can imagine, from those jittery passengers inside. >>> a desperate search continues today for two missing tennessee children, initially believed to have died in a fire near nashville. investigators say no remains of 9-year-old chloe and her 9-year-old brother were found in th

> it is one of the most famous and enduring american mysteries, what happened to jimmy hoffa, the teamster's boss who went missing without a trace in 1975. well, now investigators are back on the case just outside detroit. and nbc's john yang is there. >> reporter: could these six-foot cylinders with dark, muddy soil, two inches in diameter, hold the mystery of jimmy hoffa? this man said he saw the body buried years ago, and where ground-penetrating radar showed something, two feet deep. >> we're just doing our job, we had credible information and had to follow through with it. >> reporter: police said when he disappeared in 1975, there was a different shed, the floor was dirt, not yet covered with concrete. it is about 20 miles from where hoffa was last seen, apparently lured by two mob figures, since then, he has been famous, and his organized crime ties and federal court convictions in the '60s. jack nicholson portrayed him in the 1992 movie, hoffa. >> he was a real enemy of american society and a real threat to this country. >> reporter: legends also surround his death, some saying his f

it is half was remains but it would be nice because it will bring closure for the family and to the teamster mean memberrs members. if it was a burial here this discovery. >> temperatures were a lot cooler this afternoon. the fog is still over the bay bridge toll plaza. this fall will be here with us in the morning but will clear up in the after know. it will be warmer conditions for tomorrow. over the weekend we will get significantly warm on sunday near triple digits. it will be near 94 the bay shores. the warming will continue into monday. this is the reason why a excessive heat watch has been issued for the entire bay area. we will be seen upper 90s and those locations. tomorrow will be a little bit tricky. it will be '50s to sixties in the morning. future cast dutch shell the temperature was warming up to the '80s by the noon hour. sixties at the close line and somewhere in between this model will show a warmer. we will see mostly eighties. for inland valley it will be in the low 90s. 89 in concord, '70s for richmond. no 60s along the coast line. 664 ocean beach. lastly the north bay wi

the mess tri of the former teamster boss' disappearance may soon be solved. as mark barger reports, investigators spent the day digging for new evidence that could solve this cold case. >> reporter: one of the coldest of cold cases brought a commotion to patricia's house near detroit today. >> i was told a dead body might be buried in my backyard. >> reporter: not just any body, but that of jimmy hoffa, one-time boss of the teamsters, america's biggest union. he disappeared without a trace more than 37 years ago. a decade before patricia bought her home. >> he is the best-known dead body that they've been looking for for years. >> reporter: hoffa's connections to organized crime had spurred numerous theories about his disappearance in july of 1975. earlier this year, an informant told hoffa wars author he saw a body being buried at this suburban home around the time hoffa vanished. >> he's adamant about his beliefs hoffa is buried at this location. >> reporter: he pointed the informant to authorities. their initial check days ago with ground penetrating radar

with is story, but what we can tell you right now, crews today will be looking for jimmy hoffa, the teamster boss, this after a dying man gave them a tip that he had seen a body buried in the driveway at a home just outside of detroit, michigan. by the way, jimmy hoffa was last seen outside of a restaurant in detroit, that happening today. they did find initial tests of radon, basically clueing them in that there was a body in that driveway or something the size of a body. they'll be looking today and we'll keep you posted not only on the air, but on abc2news.com. >>> in other news this morning, police say this a gunman killed -- say that a gunman killed four people inside of a minneapolis sign- making business before turning the gun on himself. police found the body shortly after arriving at accent signage systems. four other people were wounded, three of them criticallily. police say that gunman was a disgruntled exee. police will be out there looking for more clues today. >>> a georgia man arrested for speeding down a highway with his girlfriend on the hood of his car. he faced a judge. t

told police a body was buried there around the time the teamster's union chief vanished 37"hoffa wars." he's been following this story since hoffa first disappeared. dan, you've been communicating with this tipster since last march. you've talked to him several times since then. tell us about this person. >> he called me on march 30th, and he told me, and i got dozens of these tips over the past 37 years, he told me that he knew specifically where jimmy hoffa's body was buried. of course, i was very skeptical. i questioned him about a number of things. he -- i was -- i remained skeptical throughout the interview. the cast of characters didn't line up. the location of the place, and there was absolutely no privacy for this. so i suggested did he go to the fbi. the fbi apparently was very skeptical about him, as well, having the same problems with cast of characters. he called me back two or three times, and he -- and i told him to go to the local police, the roseville police department. which he did. and i have to hand it to chief berlin and the roseville police department f

. >> the teamsters say the continuation is illegal because it has yet to be agreed upon and there arethose talks ongoing. >> california jobless rate stands at 10.6% and that is down and this is 12,000 new jobs created last month in construction, and education and health care. and truly -- trulia now says if under riders exercised their options to share sells the stock went up by 40% yesterday here is more good news, kabee home reports an increase in orders for new houses. the company turn aid profit last quarter and on wall street the stock rose 5%. and american is in bankruptcy hoping to cut $1 billion in labor costs. >> and when we come back tonight at 6:00 the gun used on a group of police officers overnight. why they're now coming under fire from a radical protest group. >> the i team looks into why a school district has a hire a pr firm just to answer questions about a solarar project. >> and the state puts a new priority on space exploration. abc 7 news >> there is a chaotic scene. an officer shot and wounded a reputed gang member last night sparking a protest and it appears the

there's been a number of searches for hoffa since the teamster leader disappeared in 1975. >>> time for a look at weather across the country. a chance of showers in the northeast. also, showers and thunderstorms from pittsburgh to cleveland, louisville, wichita and oklahoma city. stormy from the texas panhandle to brownsville. showers from the colorado rockies to rapid city, south dakota. >> mostly 70s in the heartland. 80s in the southeast. >>> when we come back, the latest on that breaking news this morning. the big deal between the nfl and its real referees. >>> plus, one of the searing images from last year's occupy protests. students being pepper-sprayed. now, they're about to see a major settlements. >>> also, tense moments on the tarmac at jfk. passengers brace for impact. and then, a sudden turn of events. >>> welcome back on this thursday, everyone. a new round of encouraging news on the housing market. the median price of a new home soared more than 11% between july and august. that's the biggest one-month jump on record against new homes. the price, $256,000 is the highest in

the man said he saw other men bury a body hours after the teamsters president went missing. he was last seen outside of a suburban detroit restaurant. police are taking the tip seriously. >> the 2012 presidential election is now 40 days away. three dozen states offer some form of early voting. more on how each candidate will attempt to court early voters in what is expected to be a tight race. >> 5:11. 66 degrees at the airport. taking out cash at a bank other than your own can cost you. >> could some waiters be expecting a tip that is more than the norm? than the norm? >> we will check the wet [ male announcer ] for the dreamers... and those well grounded. for what's around this corner... and the next. there's cash flow options from pnc. solutions to help businesses like yours accelerate receivables, manage payments, and help ensure access to credit. because we know how important cash flow is to reaching your goals. pnc bank. for the achiever in you. >> now traffic pulse 11 and insta-weather plus together. >> good morning. sarah caldwell checking on your morning commute. the

. >> reporter: it's always been assumed that hoffa, once a powerful president of the teamsters union, who then did jail time for bribery, was killed off by the mob, after he walked out of this detroit restaurant in july 1975. >> i'm going to do what i got to do! >> reporter: it became the stuff of documentaries and movies, like 1992's "hoffa." over the years, many theories and a few leads. an early one, that hoffa's body was entombed in concrete during the construction of giants' stadium, which was knocked down two years ago. later, going on tips, police drained an dug up a backyard pool outside of detroit. three years later, they pulled down a barn in rural michigan. nothing. this latest tip comes from a still anonymous source said to be dying of cancer, who says he saw a body placed here in 1975, as the driveway was being laid. police are not sure what they'll find. >> if it happens to be mr. hoffa, we'll bring an end to a major histomis mystery. >> reporter: as for hoffa's dna, if any is down there, authorities pulled hairs from a hairbrush of hoffa's 11 years ago. that's the match

for jimmm hoffa's body.a tipster told the spot in roseville, pichigan, around the same time the former teamstersoss disappeareddin 19-75.the burial site s under a concrete drrveway.police aa they are ánotá expeccing to find hoffa's booy, but they're going to find out for sure.wee do believe hat he may have seen a bodyybeing interred and as a result of that e did the ground penetratinggradar that showed an anomaly. we're gonna test for human remains ann if &pthat does in fact happen then we'll uh, you know, we'll &pstart to excavate.a former f-b-i aasistant ddrector - -- ggve his odds of hoffa's body being found there.i would say pretty close to zero. because it's not ccnsistent with the techniques they used. if they wanted to ispose of a body when theyykilled sooebody, first of all they wouldn'' do it in a shallow priveway, second of all, they wouldnnt do it in front of a moss powerful union leaders at a time ttat unions wielded a great deal of sway over notoriiuuly tied to organized crime.there's been aanumber of years. time will teel if this - will be the final one.i'm ed payne reporting. dril

. >> there is a coalition representing the teamsters union says the first break created 39,000 jobs and provided $325 million in state, and local tax revenue in the three years in effect. and in contrast the institute says in the decade prior, california lost 36,000 production jobs and $200 million in tax rev few. last month, san francisco able to snag woody allen's new movie. >> we want to keep knit california ask there is a lot of competition from other states and countries providing similar kinds of incentives. >> but the state is broke, yikts think it could be better spent on programs that have been cut during this bad economy. a ucla study found for every $1 the state gave in credits california got back 1:04s skpdz might be less than that according to the office. >> this seems like a little bit misplaced priority autos educators say public schools can create jobs, too, by hiring more teachers or buy new textbook autos we're cutting education to the bone and making these really tough choices ask we're giving away $200 million. to hollywood for something that doesn't have a return. >

it would bring closure to his family and the hundreds of thousands of teamsters that idolize this man. >> the fbi said the mob would never have taken his body to this residential neighborhood too, many people could have noticed but if there was a burial here that escaped attention then, this discovery most certainly would not. i'm emily schmidt reporting. >> police say the soil sample results should be available by late monday, but they are adding that digging up, if it didn't turn up any bones or body parts so far. the people that owned the property moved in after the alleged burial. there have been other potential leads over the years and searchs for hoffa in the past with no success. >> the highway project is under way in l.a. this morning. called the busiest freeway in america, ten miles of the 405 are shut down for the weekend to work on the car pool lane, the bridges and the ramps. one of the goals is to create the longest car pool lane, 73 miles. 405 is a major road way connecting the san fernando valley and the airport. officials have been urging people to stay off the roads.

new questions today about the president's second term plans for big labor. teamster's president james hoffa said that president obama has a big gift for organized labor if he wins in november. he says the president will push for a cotroversial change to how unions are allowed to organize. john informant is a columnist with a magazine and an author. john, good to see you today. what do you think this big gift for labor is all about? >> apparently lots of people have an understanding of what the president's second term is, but he's not going to share that with the person people. remember he told the russian president, give a message to vladimir putin, i will have more flexibility in my second term. well apparently he's sending that same message to jimmy hoffa the head of the teamster's union, he'll have more flexibility. a gift to the labor unions? it's not probably something congress can pass because they will probably be controlled in the house by the problems. it will probably be an executive order. i think we will see an executive order that stretches to the outer li

they're not so sure the teamster boss is underneath a storage shed. tti with more. >> reporter: could these carefully wrapped tubes of soil carried out among a sea of cameras possibly hold the remains of jimmy hoffa? >> this is like an open wound that won't go away. >> reporter: a wound that could be partially closed monday when lab results put to rest whether these are human remains, let alone hoffa's. >> stranger things have happened, so it's possible. >> reporter: possible but not probable. the dig inside a shed came after a witness told police he saw a body buried there after he disappeared in 1975 but the police chief says the timeline doesn't add up. an alleged book making at the house didn't happen until years later. >> i don't think it's mr. hoffa. >> reporter: neither does retired fbi agent john anthony who worked the hoffa case. he gives the tip zero credibility. >> whether they find a body or not i don't know. if they do, i guarantee you it is not jimmy hoffa. >> reporter: he says they have a good idea who pulled off the hit and where but it

the teamsters are doing the same thing. engagement is greater this year and it's going to grow like never before. >> woodruff: what about the larger argument? i want to ask all three of you. i'll direct it to you, jim hoffa. the larger argument that in these tight economic times, the public has the right to expect employees of organized labor to take the same cuts that the private sector has taken. that was one of the arguments made in wisconsin, made in ohio and make in other states. >> it wasn't really true in wisconsin. in wisconsin there was a small deficit, and the unions were will to go sit down and make that up. he said i'm not interested in that. scott walker began by talking about the fact, he said, well, there's a deficit. we have to get rid of collective bargaining. when they called his bluff and said we'll sit down and negotiate with you right now, then he says no i'm not interested in negotiating with you. i want to take out collective bargaining. the real reason is they realized the backbone of the democratic

. >> great investment for california irngs coalition representing the teamster union and others in filmsay the first tax break has created 3 39,000 jobs and provided 325 million dollars in state and local tax revenue in the three years it has been in effect. in contrast the institute says in the decade prayer to the tax credit california lost 36,000 production jobs and 200 million dollars in tax revenue. just last month san francisco able to snag woodie allen new movie. >> we want to keep tonight california and we face a lot of competition in states and other country that provide similar kint of incentive. >>reporter: but the state is broke critic think. money could be better spent on programs drastically cut during the bad economy ucla study found for every dollar the state gave in film credit, california got back 1.04. it might even be less than that according to the non-partisan legislative office. >> it seems like misplaced priorities. >>reporter: public schools could use the money and create jobs by hiring more teach ertion or they could buy new text book. >> so while we are cuttin

do you think that's unfair, especially given the fact that the teamsters are making money off of private western conference of teamsters pension trust has $1.5 billion invested in private equity. how come you are investing in private equity? >> mitt romney got rich making america poor. he did everything that jimmy hoffa said. he loaded companies up, good solid companies with debt and then went to bankruptcy court and took away workers penceions there's two ways to succeed. there's the way that he did it, which is the wrong way and there's the right way where we work together -- >> you are saying things, but it's -- let me get your take on what's going to happen at the end of the year. we're going to go off the fiscal cliff because these guys can't make a decision on tax rates and spending programs. everyone is expecting when these spending program goes away, defense contractors are going to have to lay off, health care workers are going to have to lay off. transportation companies are going to have to lay off. how many layoffs are you expecting at afl-cio? >> i'm hoping we don't have any