>> guest: there are two organizations as stickout, the telecommunications union and another called ian. so there are different bodies that exist out there that are global organizations that have global participation but i have a feeling -- i sense that a lot of what might have historic claim -- historic we lived in internet only our telecommunications only bodies will not become matters of deliberation in places like the un. so one of the things that the secretary announced in her internet freedom address for example was that she -- that the u.s. was now going to elevate these issues at the un. it's increasingly now going to be examined and engaged in multilateralism and rights bodies so it remains to be seen with the multilateral forum are where this plays out. >> host: next question

one's the international telecommunications union, another is an organization called ican, so there are different bodies that exist out there that are global organizations that have global participation, but i have a feeling that a lot of -- i sense that a lot of what might have historically lived in sort of internet-only or telecommunications-only bodies will now become matters of deliberation in places like the u.n. so one of the things that the secretary announced in her internet freedom address, for example, was that, you know, she was, that, you know, the united states was now going to elevate some of these issues at the u.n. you know, it's increasingly now going to be examined and engaged in multilateral human rights bodies. so it remains to be seen what multilateral finishing ora are. >> host: next question from aliya sternsteven. >> host: you said they're talking openly about some of the technologies that are acting as back doors for communications when a country like china shuts down the internet. can you be more specific about some of the software programs and systems that you