to go to the address which was the tucson psychiatric institute, a mental hospital in tucson. the caller was a patient at the hospital. he worked there and he was a patient and he was there the cause of relatively serious mental problems. they interviewed him in the presence of one of the hospital nurses and he told them that he and four of his friends, the first story, four, had done these crimes and he offered to tell them in whatever detail they wanted to know whatever it was they wanted to know. they asked him if he wouldn't mind writing back to phoenix in the car with them and he wanted to know if they were going to turn the lights and siren on. they said they weren't sure about that but they told him that they might and he said fine let's go. so they got back to phoenix pretty close to midnight that night. it was a tuesday night, september the tenth was a tuesday. from midnight through the next morning about 8:00, they learned a couple of things. finally, in the wee hours of the morning one or 2:00 a.m. they learned that, the officers went who were interrogating him at th

so all the tucson four testimony came in evidence. l the officers who participated in the interrogations were called as witnesses during the trial. and the culmination of all of that enormous effort was that jonathan doody was found guilty only of felony murder and acquitted of first of degree pre-- first-degree premeditated murder. but it was a capital case at that time. so under our law at the time, arizona law at the time, capital sentences were handed down by judges after a hearing. they weren't handed down by juries. today they're handed down by juries, but in 1991 it was done by the judge. so he conducted a capital mitigation aggravation hearing for jonathan doody. and at the end of that fairly long hearing, it was six or seven days, he rejected the state's demand for the death penalty, and he sentenced jonathan doody to 271 years in prison. on nine different counts. each of the actionable counts were to be served consecutively. so the end result was 271 years. then he sentenced alex garcia on his plea of guilty, and he sentenced

all the tucson four came in evidence. all the officers who participated in the integration were called as witnesses during the trial, and the cull min nation of all of that effort was that jonathan was found guilty only of felony murder and acquitted of first degree premeditated murder. but it was a capital case at that time. so there are law at the time under arizona law at the time, capital sentences were handed down by judges after a hearing. they weren't handed down by jurors. today they are handed down by juries. so he conducted a capital mitigationinging a are -- hearing for jonathan. in to that fairly long hearing, six or seven days, he rejected the state's demand for the death penalty, and he sentenced jonathan to 271 years in prison on nine different counts. each of the counts were to be conservatived consecutively. the end result was 271 years. then he sentenced alex garcia on the plea of guilty. and he sentenced garcia to 261 years. so their terms were ten years apart. that, of course, started an appellate proce

he was killed in the tucson shootings in which the congresswoman was wounded. five other people were also killed that day. wasuesday, a room dedicated to zimmerman in the u.s. capitol visitors center, to honor his service to the house of representatives. this is just over an hour. >> good afternoon, everyone. welcome to the united states capitol. before we begin our program, if you would rise and join together in a moment of silence for the thetims of this attack. atrocity in boston took the lives of several americans, and wounded many others. a moment of silence. thank you. pursuant to house resolution 364, room 215 of the capitol visitors center has been designated to gabriel zimmerman. we've placed a commemorative plaque. this is dedicated in memory of gabriel zimmerman, who was shot and killed serving the people of arizona while carrying out his duties as an aide of gabrielle giffords. his dedication inspires all of us to love each other as fellow human beings of a caring nation. we're honored to be joined by the vice president of the united states. we're g

been a recurring guest on this program because she is the woman that helped tackle the shooter in the tucsonen he had to reload. also, rocks anna green, the mother of christina taylor green who was murdered in that tucson parking lot that day. christina taylor green would be alive if he fired only ten bullets instead of 33. we'll get her reaction about what happened today. because of a republican procedural road block, all of the amendments voted on today required 60 votes to pass. after the votes, president obama flanked by family members and a former congressman who was shot in the head, the president tried to explain to americans why their democracy isn't always a democracy. >> a few months ago, in response to too many tragedies, including the shootings of a united states congresswoman, gabby giffords, who is here today, and the murder of 20 innocent school children and their teachers. this court country took up the cause of preventing more gun violence. families who know unspeakable grief summoned the courage to petition their elected leaders. not just to honor the memory of their childr

he was killed in the tucson shooting in which the congressman was wounded.ive other people were also killed that day. on tuesday, a room was dedicated to zimmerman in the u.s. capitol and visitor center. this is just over an hour. afternoon, everyone. welcome to the united states capitol. before begin begin our program, -- before we began our program. and joinld rise together in a moment of silence for the victims of this attack. thank you. resolution house 364, the visitor center room 215 of the capital visitors center has been designated to gabriel zimmerman. we've placed a commemorative plaque. this is dedicated in the memory of gabriel zimmerman, who was shot and killed serving the people of arizona. out his duties as a native of gabrielle giffords. his dedication inspires all of us to love each other as a fellow human beings and assistance of a caring nation. we're honored to be joined by the vice-president of the united states. we're grateful for the members of congress who are here. his colleagues, friends, and loved ones who made it possible. with us

after that, the dedication ceremony to honor congressional aid gabe zimmerman killed in the tucson shootings in 2011. on the next "washington journal," nbc news senior political editor mark murray looks at the potential political impact of the bombings in boston and what's ahead for congressional action on guns and immigration. ill braniff, director of the anti-terrorism group talks about terrorism. and a report on torture by the united states. "washington journal," live at 7:00 a.m. eastern on c-span. >> the f-35 is the most expensive weapons system in the history of the united states. history of mankind, quite frankly. it is an advanced warplane, a fighter jet that is to be used by the air force, the navy and the marine kerp. it's the replacement for the f-16 for the air force, for a number of other planes for the marines and navy. supposed to be our new, advanced, all-purpose fighter jet. it was a plane that was supposed to be in the skies fighting now. still in development. it's an incredibly troubled program. it's a program that has gone tens of billions of dollars over budget and i bur

one is the tucson sector. and you say yuma has got it right. what does that mean, that there is operational control? can you explain what that means in layman's terms to the viewers out there? >> yes, i was in both the yuma sector and the tucson secotor last week and there is a difference. in the yuma sector, people still get through, but our border patrol and other agents have a reasonable expectation of catching them. that's probably the best explanation of what operational control means. you'll never stop everyone from coming through and you have a lot of commerce, legal commerce, that happens at the border as well. so when people talk about having a sealed border, weigh don't need a sealed border. we need a secure border. that's what we have in yuma. we're quite a ways from that in the tucson sector. >> and when that is done, that would trigger the pathway to citizenship? >> yes. first, we've got to get, as you mentioned, some kind of metrics from the department of homeland security. in a recent report that they had, increased apprehensions

the. among his colleagues in tucson, gabe was profoundly well-liked. they told me when i visited after the shooting that gabe was always excited to come into work and that he cherished the ability to work for a member of congress, the one he so admired, and that we all admire. his coworkers giddily called and prince charming because he was always there for them, always ready to come to the rescue. tragedy tragically, this loyal, determined public servants on it was a true missionary are represented democracy unknowingly also made the ultimate sacrifice for his country. it is in this historic and how little moment that we gather jenin this congressional meeting room, previously known as hvc 215, now known as the gabe zimmerman meeting room. as those of us who work in the capitol complex now well, this room is equally used for stepping of every friday. i can think of no better way to memorialize gabe's service and sacrifice and at this meeting place for ever carry his name, memory, and lik like this. than any other string came about through passage of a b

>> naturally we are sensitive to the situation here in tucson, but neither are related. al with the hand gun who had access who should not have had access. this is about home protection. >> he said he raised $12,000 and will give away as many guns as he can buy. houston's program handed out 13 and hopes to give away 100 by year's end. here in southern arizona, the firsthand out in the next 60 days. cnn, tucson, arizona. >> tucson is already a hot spot in the gun control debate after the shooting that killed six and wounded 13 others including gabrielle giffords. joining us is her husband, mark kelly. thanks for coming in and what's your reaction to handout shotguns to people who want them? >> well, wolf, i think it's somewhat of a distraction from the debate right now. to be honest with you, it seems to be a lot to be like the nra leadership plan to arm teachers and put more guns in schools. i don't think that's the answer. the answer is to make sure the criminals and the mentally ill don't have access to firearms. that's through a universal background check. when all the

>> naturally we are sensitive to the situation here in tucson, but neither are related. dividual with the hand gun who had access who should not have had access. this is about home protection. >> he said he raised $12,000 and will give away as many guns as he can buy. houston's program handed out 13 and hopes to give away 100 by year's end. here in southern arizona, the firsthand out in the next 60 days. cnn, tucson, arizona. >> tucson is already a hot spot in the gun control debate after the shooting that killed six and wounded 13 others including gabrielle giffords. joining us is her husband, mark kelly. thanks for coming in and what's your reaction to handout shotguns to people who want them? >> well, wolf, i think it's somewhat of a distraction from the debate right now. to be honest with you, it seems to be a lot to be like the nra leadership plan to arm teachers and put more guns in schools. i don't think that's the answer. the answer is to make sure the criminals and the mentally ill don't have access to firearms thoochlts through a universal background check. when

i think the more effective thing we can do is control what psychotic people like the tucson shooter, the guy in aurora would do and the fact that they are out -- >> i would argue that it is not beindriv by emotion, but by cultural shift. i think the american people are ready to do something. there is support for the cultural shift. why not legislated? >> moreover, i do not think it is a matter of focusing on the mass shootings and people who are psychotic. a lot of people have been victimized by gun violence who are not psychotic shooters -- >> guns in the house. kids kill themselves. >> this may not be a way to enact laws, but this is from the behind the curtain column. "they just tell their heartbreaking stories with a demand for action that is respectful, but forceful. many of them can get a meeting with any senator they want, whenever they want." >> they are taking their problems directly to the people -- >> have we ever seen one disaffected this quickly? this effective this quickly? one was the last time you saw members respond emotionally like this? >> when i was on the hill, i

zimmerman was one of six people killed in the tucson, arizona, shooting.s and her husband, mark kelly, attended this one out a thin. we hear from house speaker john boehner, nancy pelosi, and arizona senator jeff flake. good afternoon, everyone. welcome to the united states capitol. before we begin our program, all of you know about the tragedy in boston that took the lives of innocent americans and left many others in serious condition. so if you at all rise and join together in a moment of silence for the victims of this attack. thank you all. pursuant to house resolution 364, the house visitor center room 215 of the capitol visitor center has been designated to gabriel zimmerman meeting were. they are placing commemorative plaque that you all season. this meeting and is dedicated in memory of gabe zimmerman who was shot and killed serving the people of arizona, while carrying out his duties as an aide to representative gabby giffords. his dedication to community and to the democratic process inspires all of us to help each other as fellow human beings a

the capital in the last two weeks was flooded with the families from the victims of newtown and tucsona, and the nra had their folks up there, but for the first time they felt they were outmanned, and after this vote, something different's going to happen, there's a political infrastructure now built around gun reform that never existed. gabby giffords group raised twice as much as the nra. things have changed here and i think the president's right, this is round up and a lot of these family members told me they were coming back tomorrow, they were going back to their hotel room and coming back tomorrow. this is not done for them. >> what do you think gets worked on next, what do you want to work on next? >> there's two ways to go now, one, the senators that voted the wrong way are going to hear the fury of their constituents. 90% of the american public wants something and the rules of the senate don't allow that. there's going to be a tempest out there in certain states. the second thing we'll do is continue to try to work with some of these senators. i hope some of these people are s

she lost her son in the tucson shooting that wounded congresswoman gabrielle giffords. >> think about protection of our children and grandchildren as much as the convenience of gun owners. >> reporter: the senate plans to start debate on gun legislation thursday. some gop lawmakers have threatened to filibuster. >> i've declared my intention to resist a vote on any new restrictions that would serve primarily to limit the freedoms of law abiding citizens. >> reporter: the nra released its criticism of the background check compromising saying it will not prevent shootings. >> the senators' compromise could appeal to other conservative lawmakers. >>> tens of thousands rallied across the country, including in san jose hoping congress will now turn its attention to immigration reform. the national day of action comes as lawmakers are close to finalidesing a bill that -- finalizing a bill that provides among other things a path of legal citizenship. the senate authorities may have the language worked out by the end of the week. >>> checking other bay area headlines tonight, san leandro poli

. >> the tucson shooter, everybody who knew him spoke about him as a that was out of control, and one of his classmates said that she sat in class near the door, holding her handbag, thinking he might shoot people in the room, and she would go on to escape. under our laws, until he shot people, you could not taken into custody. >> this was the guy that shot gabby giffords. thehis week we learned shooter in aurora, his psychiatrist reported him as dangerous and they have moved to take away his school pass. >> at what point do you get involved in the doctor patient relationship? >> i used to be a psychiatrist. if i had information that he was a danger to himself or others, i not only had the right, but the duty to make sure that it was reported. that is the exception to the sanctity of that relationship. >> unless you are australian and have an assault weapons ban where they really go out of their way to take them back -- it will not work. mostly this is something that allows people to moralize and wring their hands, shows moral fervor. starting with the president, where if he was serio

she most recently represented jared loughner, who pleaded guilty to the tucson shootings that wounded gabby giffords. in exchange the government did not seek the death penalty in that case. brian? >> pete williams starting us off from the d.c. newsroom tonight. pete, thanks. >>> throughout the past decade of deaths and injuries to americans fighting in afghanistan, including a cost to this nation of more than $600 billion, americans have been told our point man there is the popularly elected president hamid karzai, and we have been reassured he has u.s. interests at heart. well, that took a blow today when we woke up to the news that karzai has been receiving bags of cash from the cia among others. that would be u.s. taxpayer money. our chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell has been following this story and is also in the d.c. bureau tonight. andrea, good evening. >> reporter: good evening, brian. somewhat incredibly hamid karzai today confirmed that the cia has been dropping off bags of cash at his national security office for years. he says it isn't millions. it's only

make their communities safer for more on this i'm joined by patricia mace summation survivor of the tucson arizona shooting witness yesterday's defeat of the gun control bill in our dean jeffries who sixteen year old daughter bushnell was one of four teens killed in a drive by shooting here. in washington d.c. . attrition or dean thank you so much for being with us tonight thank you for having us appreciate it patricia the clip we showed you had shame on you. joe biden responding to it that was you speaking it was what provoked it. if people provoked it and we had gotten up to leave because we didn't want to hear any more and if we were walking out i just it went from sadness to madness and it made me so angry that i just decided i could not. let this opportunity with them milling around like the world goes on for them in their safe. places in the senate and in the house where you have to pass a background check and are passed a security check after security check to get in and they're just down there calmly chit chatting with each other and i decided i could no longer take it i needed to

next, a dedication ceremony to honor congressional aide game zimmerman, who was killed in the tucson shooting and 2011. then, the weekly addresses with president obama and south carolina senator tim scott. after that, a discussion on the future of the civil rights movement.

i mean, the momentum is with us, so whether it's the work of the victims of gun violence, the tucson victims or newtown. >> how many do you need? >> we'd like a strong showing. >> can you get 50? >> 50? i think so. i do. i think we have a shot 0. we're appealing to their morals. if that doesn't work we'll appeal to their political -- >> so you have 53 democrats, you lose two of the 55. that means you need seven republicans, to be blunt about it, to clear a fill buster? >> well, yes. and we've cleared the filibuster. >> for the debate. >> exactly. we're looking for a lot more than that. we are. >> i'm just worried to getting to 60. >> xwref, yeah. >> you're so frisky about this. you're already talking about more than 60. >> the house is gold. >> i think there are l some pickups you can look at. mark kirk -- >> he's already on my list. >> susan collins, maybe even john mccain, harry reid release add video that looked at five republicans who had already been on record to be open to background checks, so i think, you know, there is some optimism and i think she's right the pendulum swing

it's the afternoon of february 5th, 2009, in tucson, arizona. a home surveillance camera captures a chrysler 300 driving leisurely along this quiet street, but the occupants of the vehicle are not out for a casual drive. they're out for something more sinister. detective e.j. gueron. >> you can see the suspect's car drive by the house, by the residence. >> instead of proceeding down the block, the car stops abruptly. >> you see it stop as if it's casing the place. the garage is open. it appears the suspect sees this and sees it as an opportunity to commit the crime. >> within an instant, the car screeches around the corner and pulls into the driveway. four men jump out and guns draw. >> the homeowner's standing inside the garage and senses trouble, but instead of giving in, he decides to take matters into his own hands. >> he gets inside the house. he's able to keep them out. he does see the gun, gets in and gets access to a firearm and fire back. the suspects take off, some on foot, leaving the car. >> the homeowner refuses to back down. he fire

if memory serves, and this is the douglas area within the tucson sector. depicts a portion pick of the border. the picture below it is the same area with a level of infrastructure. it includes primary offense, all themer road which allows to respond to different threat. he will see a secondary fins. in the background you will see towers that provides advanced information in terms of the approach of anybody seeking entry over or through the primary offense. one interesting piece, what it does is it frees up the amount of border patrol agents that absence would require a lot more this. patrol agents to >> thank you for sharing these photographs with us. >> thank you. i agree with you. i think all of us are in agreement. i have been down on the border for 30 years. there has been significant improvements. we really do not know how significant they are. he cannot rely on apprehensions as a measurement. the fact is, we have no measurements. let me read to you from the government accountability office a report of last december. " and the resources necessary to ac

families andd with aurora of the tucson and shootings. hey called on congress to pass tougher gun laws to prevent mass shootings like at what happened at virginia tech, newtown, and aurora. >> let congress hear all the names of americans killed since newtown. they continue to debate and discuss improving our current policy so we have a better job of keeping guns from dangerous people. seung cho went then tooting spree and virginiawn life at tech. >> this is video from inside a store in pakistan. you can see the drink machine shaking during the quake. authorities say they're still assessing the structural damage out there. >> stories continue to pour in from victims of the boston marathon bombings and their family. >> the 8-year-old boy killed while watching the race. we hear from friends and family of martin richard near his home in dorchester, marmassachusetts. >> the ravens open up about the draft.g nfl >> final temperatures and a >> final temperatures and a chance for tim -- you're mulch-flipping again, aren't you? hey scott -- yeah, it

her past clients were susan smith, and ted kaczynski and the tucson shooter, jared loughner. ts avoided the death penalty, getting life sentences, instead. after pleading guilty in one way or another. >> thank you, john. it's 50 minutes past the hour. >>> police in michigan are combing through 'caucomb ing through dozens of tips for a gas station attendant that went missing there. she prepared to close up shop on friday night. and police are searching for a silver minivan seen at the station a few minutes before she disappeared. >>> in fargo, north dakota, melting snow expected to raise the banks of the red river by, get this, 35 feet tonight and into wednesday. it is according to the national weather service. that would make it the ninth-highest swell on record, as well as the latest date the river has ever peaked, thanks to this late-season snow. and to make matters worse, it is raining in fargo. for the very latest, let's check in with jennifer, in the cnn weather center with more details for us. good morning, jennifer. >> you're right. we're starting off the morning with s

the mother of a victim of the tucson massacre joins us. >>> the drug war it is deeply unpopular, it costs too much and makes nonviolent americans into criminals so why is it still going on? because prisons are big business. naacp president ben jealous joins us to describe how we throw drug users in jail while the wall street crooks are completely sober. you won't hear much in the mainstream media about bradley manning or his trial but the controversial parliamentary to released the wikileaks collateral video is visiting america and he joins us in studio. today is the birthday of, there he is again the brilliant tv programming executive jeff zucker, also the birthday of former congressman joe scarborough who works for another brilliant news network and it is the birthday of mitt romney supporter jenna jameson. she's not as rich as mitt but he's given out way more jobs. this is "viewpoint." >> john: good evening i'm john fuglesang. this is "viewpoint." now, it looks like there will be at least one vote in the senate this week on a bill to curb gun violence. majority leader harry reid says h

. >> the gathering also included people who lost loved ones in the tucson, aurora and newtown shootings. the names of those victims were read aloud as well, this afternoon. the group also called for new gun laws to stop violence. >>> it is video that is making the rounds on youtube. and it has led to allegations of police brutality. what started this confrontation between a father and police officer. >>> and we'll take a look at the stepped-up security in >>> we want to update you now on the latest information coming from boston. at this hour, the investigators now say the type of bombs used in yesterday's terror attack at the marathon finish line were so-called pressure cooker bombs, packed with shrapnel and designed for maximum impacts. we have learned the identity of one of the victims killed. 29-year-old massachusetts restaurant manager, krystle campbell, as well as martin richard, both killed yesterday. the area around is an active crime scene as the slew of law enforcement officials ask for the public's help to find clues about who is behind the terror attacks. >>> meanwhile, the

the shooter who opened fire in tucson when he tried to kill congressman gabby giffords. he did so with a high capacity magazine. he had a bullet in the chamber and he had 30 bullets in the magazine. he shot 31 rounds. he was stopped only when he tried to reload. the size of his magazine determined how many bullets he could fire before he was stopped. he had 30 plus the one in chamber and that was it for him. the shooter who opened fire in sandy hook elementary school in december did so with high capacity magazines. he fired 154 bullets in less than five minutes. the use of high capacity magazines that allow somebody to fire that many bullets in so short a time has been central to the sandy hook parents' argument for why we ought to change the law. >> we have learned that in the time it took him to reload in one of the classrooms, 11 children were able to escape. we asked ourselves everyday, every minute, if those magazines had held ten rounds, forcing the shooter to reload at least six more times, would our children be alive today? >> would our children be alive today? pa

remember what happened in the tucson shooting where a member of congress was shot by loughner. they assumed it was a terror attack and inspired by a right wing to attack a congresswoman. >> that was false. >> so you have to establish it was a political one. probably is but we're not sure yet. >> bill: i'm glad you and i agree on those two aspects regarding president obama. here is where we disagree. i believe u.s. intelligence has done a good job in protecting the nation, but you don't see it quite that way, correct? >> they have done a very good job in protecting us from post-9/11 terror attacks. in fact one of the reasons there was such shock and dismay, yesterday as a result of this, this is the first time. this is the first time there has been a successful bombing attack in the u.s. since 9/11. there have been a lot of terror attacks, about ten or so but all with guns. one was a guy driving a car into a crowd deliberately. so what we had yesterday was a scene, urban scene, people screaming, a lot of smoke, people being hurt on the street. it had the resonance of 9/11. so in

i wastr a librarian with the tucson pima public library unti it became an activist in 2001 i after my two year old son was a diagnosed with leukemia. we met other families in the shot of the kenya cluster and we were active and not investigation and the controversy around that issue. i left the field of librarianship and nonexecutive director of the national disease clusters lands and we are a nonprofit working to prevent environmental tragedies like the ones you hear about today. discovery links between environmental exposure and disease is challenging. however, it can be done and it must be done and if we have the proper tools, communication, respect for communities and sites about we can do it. it is an honor to serve today as the panel for this discussion. so thank you all for coming. so first up, it is my pleasure to introduce kristin iversen, author of "full body burdon: growing up in the nuclear shadow of rocky flats". kristin's memoir reveals family secret and government secrets in the fact we are not safe from industrial pollution. her book is a finalist for the andrew carneg

if memory serves, this is up in the tucson sector. the top photo depicts a section of the border many years ago. we refer to it appropriately look at the photograph essay -- and the picture below is the same area with a level of infrastructure includes primary offense and all weather roads with access laterally from one area to the other to respond to different threats. you'll see a secondary sense in the background and integrated towers that provide border patrol agents advanced information on the approach of anybody seeking entry over or through the primary sense. one interesting piece when you look at this technology, what it does is present the amount of the porter patrol agent apps in that technology and infrastructure would require more border patrol agents membership to patrol those areas. >> thank you for sharing with all of us. senator mccain. >> thank you. i think the witnesses. mr. trent eyes, and it all of us are agreement. i've been on the border for the past 30 years and there has been significant improvements, but we rea

one of the tucson survivors actually a woman who helped disarm the shooter in tucson, shouted out "shame! as the vote went down. it was a somber and difficult moment in the senate. bill, i want to make sure we also remind folks that a piece of the dynamic of this vote was that it was well and widely known. it was dead on arrival in the house. the fact that the republican-controlled house would likely not have even taken up this universal background check measure this modest, bipartisan universal background check measure supported by nearly 90% of americans, the fact that the republican house would have refused to take it up, i think also drove some of this disappointing shameful dynamic in the vote in the senate. >> bill: senator, you came here a couple of years ago i remember going to an event in bloomington, delaware with president obama flew up on air force i there at the opera house when you were running and so you haven't been -- you came here to do the right thing for the people of delaware, for the people of this country. i think probably came here with some confidence and hope th

joining me now, a survivor of the tucson mass shooting. patricia, good to see you this morning. seen from last week, you chastised congress publicly after the senate bill crashed. you yelled "shame on you" after the vice president read the vote. do you have anymore hope that gun control measures will be revived through other avenues? >> i do hope they will be. i think they will. we're not going to let this issue drop. the nra can give up on thinking we're going to go away because we're not. we're going to be there fighting the fight until we win. >> when we look at what people are writing about. a piece in "the new york times" going after the president saying he handled this incorrectly. he doesn't know how to work the system. it's clear now that he doesn't want to learn. it's unbelievable that with 90% of americans on his side he could only get 54 votes. no one on capitol hill is scared of him. when you hear that kind of criticism coming out, do you think that the president could have invested more political capital in this? >> you know, i'm not a politician. i don't know exactl

the past four years. he's responded to tragedies in ft. hood, texas, tucsonurora, colorado, and, of course, most recently the deadly school shootings in newtown, connecticut. i'm joined now by boston radio talk show host jeff santos and "boston herald" editorial page editor shelly cohen. i want to thank both of you for being here. this is your community, too, so i know it's difficult. jeff, how important is it that the president is here? >> i think it's huge. it's so important. we've seen so much violence over the last 72 hours, and to have the president come with a group of people all over, you know, trying to find peace. young martin richard tragically killed here on monday talked about stopping the hurt and the president and others coming together it's important to do just, that stop the hurt. >> i was in dorchester where martin lived and i talked to a lot of mothers there, and it's heartbreaking. you want to find the right words. what do you think that the city of boston and the entire country need to hear from the president today? >> well, i think he nee

honor of gabby's staffer who was the first staffer killed in the line of duty who was killed during the tucsonoting and we'll dedicate that room in the capital visitors' center tomorrow. >> we have seen, some of the newtown victims' families, obviously having an effect, 16 republicans crossing over cloture to start the debate. the emotional appeal on this issue at least right now is paying political dividends. >> it's just common sense. >> yes, ma'am. >> this is beyond emotion, it's common-sense. >> okay, i want to switch to immigration. a topic important to you as a congresswoman from florida. i want to ask you about someone you serve in congress with and you served in the state legislature. marco rubio was on seven sunday shows talking about this issue, he's clearly become the face of this issue. it looks as though we expect later in the week some sort of bipartisan immigration reform proposal. you are someone who is a partisan, you're head of the democratic national committee. does marco rubio deserve credit for the role he has played here? you know the credit that is deserved is that we're

the unfortunate thing is this is going to happen again. no one would have ever thought tucson, arizona, would be on the list of place that is have become sort of famous for a tragedy. i'm sure people in aurora thought that same thing and for sure sandy hook. we're not having to do much except continue to talk to the public about what could make us safer while at the same time protecting our second amendment rights. >> pia, thank you so much for being with us today. >>> that same nbc poll shows a strong majority backing a path to citizenship on the immigration front. 64% of all adults favor it. for latinos, the number jumps to 82%. senators in the gang of eight are busy writing their immigration bill right now, and a hearing is set for next wednesday to talk about that bill. michael and jose are back with me. jose, let's talk about the bill. now we're hearing it includes a crackdown on border security. homeland security would vito increase surveil tones cover 100% of the border and apprehend 90% of people who try to enter the country illegally. is this something that had to be

is no repercussions for it if you look back they blame sarah palin on the tucson murders and did thisdo movie theater shooting was blamed on the tea party member. we covered that here. it was brian ross. to george stephanopoulos and then this journalistic malpractice happens and then what, there is no repercussions for them. tradition has it, you pointed out, it's awlsd radicals. radical leftist and radical vegans. only non-muslim is a guy named andrea san diego on the fbi's most wanted list is he a vegan and blows stuff up. >> what how about the radical right wing steven king who said -- this is what he said. worse than radical. this is -- the reason that we should not have immigration bill is because of boston. leaving the assumption is immigrants come in here and did this sort of thing. >> we have got to go to the press conference. president obama is about to speak concerning the senate vote. i think we have him right here. here would go. >> a few months ago, in response to too many tragedies, including the shootings of a united states congresswoman, gabby gifford who is here today

but cited factors that would make a new trial difficult. >> both the arson review committee and the tucson fire department investigators concluded that because of the lapse of time, the evidence no longer being available, the fact that some of it was degraded, some of it was missing, some of it had been destroyed, that the cause of the fire could not be determined at this time. in other words, they were unable >> woodruff: taylor's release came just days after a follow up to a 2002 "60 minutes" report cast doubts as to whether the fire was, in fact, arson. taylor's lawyers alleged prosecutors committed misconduct in the original trial by neglecting to inform the defense team that no accelerants were found at the hotel. for more on this story, we are joined by richard ruelas. he is a reporter with the arizona republic and was in the courtroom yesterday. welcome to the program. remind us, why was mr. taylor, louis taylor, convicted in the first place? >> he was there at the fire that night. good evening. he was there at the fire that night, december, 1970. he told us today he was going there