made my way into architecture, and the code at that time was one small book, the ubc, and it did have ansi standards but it was minimal and what i have seen over 30 years is an awareness of inclusion that something that's very important to me with my inspectors, with everyone in my division, department, and the ada really has assisted that, others in becoming more aware, and i thankfully have a teenage and children in their 20's who poke me and keep me aware as well, but i see that as a very important component of my work. >> yes. >> and we're really educating the public. i have gone out on small jobs where you go there and say okay these are not meeting the requirements, and in one particular job the bar was not lowered for seating at 60 inches for accessibility, and the contractor, the owner they didn't want to take up their space, and i said it's not something that you're doing to be nice. it's not something to attract people that have to be in a wheelchair and make it nice for them. it's part of what needs to be done. it's a civil right and i have done through and i have gone back

she currently holds the canada research chair in okanagan indigenous knowledge and philosophy at ubcagan. and just on a personal note, she