charlie: they certainly have done a fantastic job in kind of being an upstart company, the uncarrier,o to speak. betty: but the famously tough boss faces questions about his management style. charlie: we have high expectations, and if you are not somebody who is used to high expectations, you're just not as comfortable here. betty: join me as charlie ergen dishes it all out on this edition of "titans at the table." hello, i am betty liu. welcome to "titans at the table." dish network founder charlie ergen has always been something of a fearless renegade. from being thrown out of casinos for counting cards to selling satellites out of his car trunk around colorado. ergen led a group that created echostar in the 1980's and then started dish in the next decade, upending the traditional cable tv world. in the process, he has become one of the richest men in america, worth nearly $20 billion. ergen stepped out of the spotlight in 2011, handing the ceo rein to joe clayton. but just four years later, the founder is back in the hot seat as television undergoes another revolution. video, movin

charlie: they certainly have done a fantastic job in kind of being an upstart company, the uncarrier, so to speak. betty: but the famously tough boss faces questions about his management style. charlie: we have high expectations, and if you are not somebody who is used to high expectations, you're just not as comfortable here. betty: join me as charlie ergen dishes it all out on this edition of "titans at the table." hello, i am betty liu. welcome to "titans at the table." dish network founder charlie ergen has always been something of a fearless renegade. from being thrown out of casinos for counting cards to selling satellites out of his car trunk around colorado. ergen led a group that created echostar in the 1980's and then started dish in the next decade, upending the traditional cable tv world. in the process, he has become one of the richest men in america, worth nearly $20 billion. ergen stepped out of the spotlight in 2011, handing the ceo rein to joe clayton. but just four years later, the founder is back in the hot seat as television undergoes another revolution. video, mov

charlie: they certainly have done a fantastic job in kind of being an upstart company, the uncarrier,betty: but the famously tough boss faces questions about his management style. charlie: we have high expectations, and if you are not somebody who is used to high expectations, you're just not as comfortable here. betty: join me as charlie ergen dishes it all out on this

but they certainly have done a fantastic job in kind of being the kind of upstart company, the uncarrier to speak. so john ledger and his team have -- have really captured the imagination of the public in terms of attacking the pain points that we have in the wireless industry. their network is very similar to our spectrum position. so it fits in that sense and of course, obviously, at their growth rate they are going to need more spectrum. so, those things make some sense. i think there is things that don't make as much sense. they are obviously controlled by a german company who has strategic initiatives both in europe and the united states, and they may not be in a position where they want to do anything. we have other options that may be more attractive, you know, to our board and our shareholders. so, you know, i think there is -- i think there is a number of options that are out there. certainly, t-mo is an option. betty: well, speaking about the german owner, deutsche telekom, there are reports that one of the reasons why a deal might not happen with t-mobile is that they don't va

the uncarrier campaign is what he's talking about, ripping up service contracts, and 91% of users are into two year loans and other equipment. he's busy. >> his goal is to be in the headlines every single day. you can't believe the distribution list when you're -- i mean, every single day the guy is trying to crush a business. >> he has magnetic business cards. >> pretty much. >> can i get in trouble for that? what can he do to me in new york? probably come here. >> we had him on one morning. >> oh, yeah. >> he couldn't remember why he was prosecuting the bank. >> that's right. >> he does so many. >> the exxon thing. >> oh, yeah. nonstop. >> yeah. >> well, the attorney general, the governorship. >> yes. political. >> it's accurate. >> you said it. not me. >> time for a breakdown of winners and losers so far this holiday shopping season. cnbc courtney reagan has more on spending on shopping. >> something fun and festive. nice to see you, michelle. mastercard, x gas and autos grew this quarter, and apparel spending up 26% online, and electronic spending down 15% online. now, l brands is