. >> phil collins, for the uninitiated. loving, we're talk about the phil collins. >> i always like do things that are going to spark that flame and passion and interest for the music again. because i love doing it so much. and the music -- the business can just kind of zap all of that enthusia enthusiasm. i've seen musicians are just are kind of a shell of their former selves in terms of just loving the art for the art form. and so i try to do different things, you know, in different genres with different people. and so that was one of the things that i did. >> after all these years to your point philip, what do you still love about it? >> i just love music. it still really, really gets my high, you know, to hear cord changes and all the harmonies and overtones and to feel, you know, the magic of the rhythms and to play. i'm -- what i'm currently doing now is doing dates with ramirez lewis. because i'm -- i like to sing a lot of jazz stuff. >> yeah. >> let me ask another question. what do you think the gift is that earth,

i'm not sure that the uninformed, the uninitiate like me knew how cutthroat this can be. >> well, i think cutthroat may not be the perfect word to describe this. i think that people in science work very hard. and they have a problem. their problem that only one person, one group can discover a new breakthrough. now if on the other hand people are working very hard, they're not making big discoveries, they're making small advances, and someone comes along and says oh, you know, our thinking has been wrong in this particular area. our thinking is not been quite correct. and then they offer something which is radically different. a lot of people get upset. i think i understand this very well now. but at the time, it was very hard. >> it seems to me that if a scientist is going to be true to his or her calling or profession is all about, you have to be willing to be wrong. so why get upset when somebody says, you know what? our thinking on this has been wrong. if it is ultimately about trying to get it right? >> well, that's what i thought. that's how i thought. just like you said. and i was

explain to the uninitiated what transfer traffic is.hy it is a problem. >> it is their business. frankfurt hobbit at and munich and zÜrich. ub atey run a h frankfurt and munich and zÜrich. they don't have the strength of natural demand into frankfurt the same way british airways does at london. >> just because it is not a big city. >> frankfurt is not a big city. 10 million is the population of greater london. not the traffic base. >> the emirates, not very popular it's. -- populace. populous. how big of a problem are the gulf carriers for list on the -- lufthansa? >> they are a big problem. they are finding these carriers coming in and competing by going the hub. behind such as into berlin. >> the kind of sneak in and cherry pick or poach the would be transfer. >> yeah. you wille in hamburger, have to transfer somewhere. if you have someone coming in from the gulf who offers you a light -- a flight through dubai, that may be better than going through frankfurt. >> v.a. is teaming up with qatar. qatar.s teaming up with >> emirates have

can you take us into the s&ed for the uninitiated, what does the gathering look like? a year of work going into. what is the final discussion like? things happening in the last week to 10 days. >> first, the notion that it's a strategic and economic dialogue is something that, it began as an economic dialogue, strategic and economic dialogue. by making it both a created to track. so we meet alternately with the entire group, separating by track. i think the detail work is mostly done when we go off into meetings with our economic counterparts, and secretary of state and his team into meetings with the foreign policy and defense counterpart. i think both are important and, obviously, relate to each other. there's also a back and forth between formal meetings and informal meetings. one of the important things about the s&ed rhythm is that people get to know each other. there is relationships developed between ministers, counterparts, between staff. and it gives you the ability not just to do business at the s&ed is in heaven ongoing working relationship. and i think if y

let's start with the uninitiating. who is james brown? >> a guy who comes from nowhere.o work like crazy to become a big star. it's about the effects on his personalities when he achieves that goal, what happens to you. >> there is the show business and the show and the business and he was both. >> he was a great businessman and understood all of the aspects and how to exploit it for his friends, himself and his family. >> i have done a lot of interviews and looked at some of them and you often talk about the influences in your music and james brown comes up over and over again. >> it wasn't like like i'm going to copy his move or his song writing. the main thing i got from him which is a good thing to learn is the interaction between the way he interacts with the audience, the way he charmed them, the way he told them what to do and gave his emotions and the way he expected them to give back. >> i think denzel washington became malcolm x. i think people are going to see this movie and say that, chad, you became james brown. >> definitely. >> what did you have to do? >>

the fact that it was just more of the same i think is what made the market -- all right here we go. 304. 304,000 uninitial down 11,000. as steve pointed out this is going to change everything going on in europe. okay. 2.58 million on continuing claims in portugal. still has a bank that's probably insolvent. i don't know, i think what's going on in europe and what's going on with rates i congratulate joe. i know we have to move quickly. he did call 240 for closing bottom. but as i came back and told him, europe is going to continue to be a two-day. and even though the markets always has ranges weekly, quarterly, annual ranges in the big picture, in the big chart, it looks to me like we're going to be challenging that yield again at some point. >> you said it was a short-term or intermediate term low which is going to be a much better call than saying it was a stupid low. >> you know, joe, nowadays around here two weeks is considered like a long-term trade. and that will continue. what's going on in europe is huge. because what it does is, it tells us that the ownership of all that sovereign paper by the ba