and for the customs union. the customs union is not something that is deconstructive. for turkish trade and the european union. so maybe, looking at it as an area of cooperation, rather than seeing it as an area of challenges. thank you. uri, would you be able to answer that question, because i feel -- at theve not looked turkey deal, and i suppose i should have in preparing for this. should not be seen as withannot negotiate countries that have already negotiated, that turkey would find this impossible. but it is the quality of the agreement. what is contained in the agreement that really matters. states, ande united i really am, in part, repeating said, why would the united states on economic grounds, and maybe for political and security issues, and those may overwhelm everything, but on even economists, that is very hard-nosed about these issues, negotiating a deal with the united states, and the access,tates has full to turkey's ttip market, what interest does the united states have to give turkey access? a question about the quality of the agreement, not necessaril

then, service employees international union president will talk about the top issue facing labor unions and the workers they represent. ♪ as president obama look to congress on syria, lindsey graham was invited to the white house. the hill newspaper reporting that the white house is invited the chairman and ranking members of six national security committees to meet with president obama on tuesday. this as the administration makes the case to congress, seeking a not thrice asian vote for any action to take in syria. the first -- and authorization vote for any action to take in syria. here is how you can give your thoughts this morning, for our democrats, 202-585-3880. 3881.epublicans, 202-585- 202-585-endents, 3882. mails,n always send us e- journal@c-span.org. what would you tell your present live or senator -- your representative or senator about what to do in syria? on obamas reflecting looking to congress. the stories in the papers today, here is "the new york times" -- that is the new york times. the washington post picks up this morning by adding this in their story -- how would y

the unions and paper pushers. >> let's destroy the system. >> bring on the creative destruction. who would disagree? >>> do you disagree? teachers unions disagree. and that reformers reformers who care about test scores. >> city schools terrible because of unions like you. >> our test scores are not what we choose to focus on. >> how do you know if they are learning anything? >> i know my kids are learning when i look in their eyes. >> give me a break. the block also opposes charter schools. >> over my dead body they will come there. >> unions are mat because some charters can fire bad teachers. >> i call it bringing up a person's future. >> a teacher wants to teach. >> this actor says teachers need tenure. >> why else would you take a [ bleep ] salary. >> why have tenure? most positions don't have tenure. >> at least now there is some good news. at some schools where teachers can be fired kids learn. >> give us the worst school anywhere in per and we will jut perform the other schools in five years. >> how good are the test scores at hit charter schools? >> there isn't even a wor

not the fault of the unions. they deliver significant benefit not just to their members, but to their communities and to the economy overall. teachers, bargain for smaller class sizes so kids can learn. nurses bargain for patient load so that the patients get the care they deserve. firefighters and police meet state condition so they can provide the protection for their community. richard of the martin prosperity the university of toronto business school found that union density is state by state actually have higher incomes, more education, and more creative work. not the opposite. and internationally that hold up as well. the country of the highest unionization have higher protectivity and lower unemployment. public sector workers have been dragged through the mud to distract you. the american people, from the truly guilty party in the economic problem we are facing today. wall street, big business, multinational corporations, scandal with our future turned our economy to a giant casino. sent the job offshore an

full disclosure, the idea of what unions could properly do could be effective. y they're broad and over stepping the bounds and aggressive with the companies and the corporation -- >> the idea is great. >> the point is it's not theyed a vote kate for individuals but they use the power of government to pass laws. they do that because they -- >> we'll leigh it there. >> they do it because of the politician, they can deliver votes. >> eric: we know why they do it. we are all pro-business on the show. thank youichelle, and ebony for joining us. coming up, fast food fight. fast food workers calling for something that has many of you fighting back. your turn to be heard next. >> eric: time for what do i need to know for next week from two hot hands. wayne, you're first. >> well, if you look to solve communication problem like the federal government is, check out tngo. t-n-g-o. >> eric: very good. john? >> washington, middle east, september, scary out there. you can profit from fear with a fun vixy. it goes up with the fe index. not a great long-term hold but short-term

of the workforce -- >> 11% for union membership. ing by the day. >> eric: thanks to san dr. dr. and sandra for joining us. lock, loaded, firing back. recalled voters spending a powerful message to the antigun politicians. don't tell us what we can or ♪ ♪ >> eric: time for what do i need to know for next week? wayne, you are up first. >> kek out xbi. i'm a little leery of what the market is doing. long-term, look for the biotech. >> eric: very good. little risky there. go ahead, john. >> africa. this is a hot destination. afk is the exchange traded fund i'm looking at now. this has financials. >> we have to leave it there. i love that song. that is it for cost of freedom block. thank you for joining us. before we go, they call two democratic lawmakers this week. president of the colorado senate, john morris getting booted from the legislature. they are expanding gun control laws. colorado is a blue state. something interested happened in colorado. something the democrats in 2014 might take note of. don't mess with the second a.m. we h

want him back in the union lines. [laughter] so as an upshot, knox ultimately did get back into the war, but it took a while, so albert met lincoln on that occasion. he met him when he was covering bleeding kansas before the war for the boston journal, when lincoln had a speaking engagement in kansas in, like, 1858 or 9, so lincoln remembered him from that, and, of course, remembered him from the interview that i just described, and when they were capturedded, lincoln instructed the union officials in charge of prison exchange to get brown and richardson back from the confederates, and that's when robert uhl, the confederate in charge of prisoner exchange wrote the letter saying, i'm not sending the guys back. the tribune reporters are more -- i think he said something like they have caused more trouble for us than even your armies so i'm not letting them go. anyone else? okay. [applause] thank you very much. [applause] >> we'll see you upstairs in a couple minutes for the book signing. >> senator ben cardin, what's on

so the union now has to basically earn its members' respect. >> i can see, kim, this is why the unionswalker's reform so dramatically because they were worried that if they no longer had government putting them in the cat bird seat in negotiating authority that when union members get a choice, pay dues, don't pay dues, they often say, you know what, i think i won't pay dues. >> well, and that's why you see, for instance, such a ferocious protest among unions for the movement in recent times some of the states that have been attempting to move to right to work states which also give workers a lot more freedom to not pay dues to a union, for instance. and some of this also gets to what we were talking about this aflcio vote if it happened recently at convention to open up its doors to nonunion members. part of this is a reflection of the fact that all across the country, union membership is dwindling. as recently as 20 years ago, about 20% of americans were unionized. today that number is closer to 11%. so now they're opening up their doors to other groups, alliances of groups like the n

the union producers. most of them to andersonville, the infamous prison in georgia, but about 9000 union soldiers were sent to salisbury. so instantaneously in the fall of 1864, instead of like 800 guys living indoors in salisbury, you know had about 10,000 guys with 9000 of them living out in the yard where they used to play baseball, i was now filled with these nature shacks and just holes in the ground that the guys were living in. it was a very cold, wet fall, and winter, and it rained a lot. it snowed some pick these guys didn't get much food, and they were exposed to the elements. so by the time december came, they were dying at the rate of about two dozen a day. of dysentery, of starvation, of exposure. so the end of november, the prisoners had been -- they attacked the gates open to break out but the guards on the stock paid -- stockade fire down and be back the escaped the tune -- attempt. albert and junius and a couple of the french manage to escape from the prison with the help of a guard who wa

only by carrying the war into the union states, and only by leveraging the war-weariness of the union voting public into peace negotiations could the confederacy hope to win. but this was by no means a farfetched hope. in the fall of 1862 dissension over president abraham lincoln's emancipation proclamation caused unhappy voters in new york and new jersey to install democratic governors there. a new round of antiwar, democratic candidates, were due to run in the fall of 1863 governors elections in ohio and pennsylvania. if those states also turned against the war, they could force abraham lincoln either to begin peace talks or to resign. so lee's army, some 85,000 strong, struck northward in the first week of june, crossing the potomac river, and sweeping in a long arc up the cumberland valley, until his advance guard was perched on the susquehanna river overlooking the pennsylvania state capital of harrisburg. lee's real goal however was not harrisburg. what lee really hoped was to lure the army of the potomac northwards after him, and as soon as the yankees had strung themselves out

be after the after you have the pro union vote their union is now official you're a labor lawyer are the most. rail solution workers correct in the understanding of labor law got about a half a minute here the answer is they're correct it's protected concerted activity what they're what they're doing in their free to form a union it can be a new union does now if we need system you need it's protected concerted activity so they are right great ok we'll see where this goes we'll see how this all plays out stuart james sara thank you all from so much for being with us today thank you thank you. back in two thousand and six congress passed the postal accountability enhancement act that act requires the post office in just ten sure years to prefund its future health care benefit payments to retirees seventy five years into the future meaning that they have to put aside tens of billions of dollars today to pay for the health of benefits of employees who have not yet been born this requirement sucks of billions of dollars in revenue out of the post office every year by the way the largest u

of the union or not.ged the task from 1947. there was a time they thought it was fair. >> eric: ebony, you said the unions do good things. help me out. what do they do? >> they can help with advocat advocating. some people can't do it on their own. some n a perfect world you could say the work conditions are crappy. but some can't. they need a collective effort. that is something unions can serve. >> eric: do they need a collective effort? >> i think an individual -- it's better to have an individual bargain on their behalf from their needs. right to work is pro-freedom and fro-worker. collective bargaining is not good. allow the individual to speak on their behalf. >> what makes this work is the catchtition. is there a competitive atmosphere for the economic way out, then jobs are going to be determined by the competitn. i don't need the union to protect me from that. i have to have a competitive state to know i can work for certain money and that is open for certain amount of people for time. that's all

>> it's no question that the unions are taking a big hit here. nosha teacher's union was decertified after missing a key deadline in that process. that was big news. ken northern should was seen as a union stronghole and that's being again on across the state. you have seen the wisconsin education association union has lost half of its members. since 2010, afscme saw its members fall. the milwaukee journal sentinel reported it's seen members fall from 9,000 in 2010 to 3500 in 2012. so this is affecting union finances and morale. >> afscme is the association of county, municipal, and state workers. so what's behind this? the fact that the union now no longer has a monopoly on bargaining power? >> for sure. scott walker's reforms gave all -- it basically required workers to resetter identify their union dd resetter identify their union with a 50% majority vote every year so the union has toern its members' respect. >> i can see, kim, this is why the unions fought walk walker's reforms because they worried if the government no longer had them in the

the rigidity of the stupid union contract is why the kids suffer. think you know better than that. >> he lets them escape rules be i saying allowing them to attend charter schools in existing school buildings. >> over my dead body they're going to come there. i'm going to be there and physically try and stop them. this there are certain things that don't mix. oil and water, you can't emulsify them. >> there's no room? there are not half empty schools? >> no, no. >> dell grasso says charter schools favor rich kids. but new york public schools spend almost 400 th thou per school. >> it's -- >> let them into your school. >> i don't want them in our schools. >> you're not happy for them. >> is fox and cnn in the same building? i don't think so. >> but fox and cnn can't banish the competition. competition is good. competition is why we have fox, cnn, and nbc. when you have a choice of what channel you're going to watch or school you're going to attend, competition makes things better. dell grasso understands that about his own education. >> my mother paid

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walmart is the whale for the unio unions. they have a private sector unionship under 7% much the workforce. membership is still declining and they'll constantly go after walmart. they want unionization, pure and simple. it will cost jobs in this country and mean price goes higher for the very people that the unions insist they're trying to help. it is not good news for this country. >> one thing i do know is that there are a number of other big box retailers that pay as much if not even less than walmart. they're not targeted because a lot of them are unionized. >> and a lot are not as big. these protests seem pretty mild. eye been to strikes where my dad let me play hooky and go to protests in new york. i would say these are pretty mild. i would say i think they're playing with fire in this economy. this is a bad economy. we're not producing jobs. people on the low end of the sort of -- the wage structure are lucky to have jobs. we don't produce that many jobs right now. this is a very slow growing economy. they can be protes

and i believe that the unions can make the agreements with the employer that everyone has to be union that's all i mean whatever that again it's i don't want to be involved in any way you know the government i'm just saying that they have a right in the rules of the game right and that's what they need to stop doing what i'm saying is i see this is a contract right between the companies and the unions and whatever they come up with even i think i signed by law i mean you have to have actual interpreted by law but not necessarily defined by law and there as they have into a clause contract and always have to resist within within a legal framework you have to have you know she was on track for anything that's illegal of course but the way that they're structured is usually up to the parties to do a large degree unless you again unless you get these different acts in there that artificially try to manipulate what's going on between employers and employees which i think the free market has to take care of so your thoughts on the right to work and in fact if i could before you sta

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with the european union or who are negotiating for full membership could be admitted or the door would be kept open. however that is at a high likely avenue that will materialize. the material that has been advocated in the context called docking the idea that you reach an agreement that leaves the door open to the third countries that want to join these partnerships in a way applies for membership we would see if this would be the case however we have to bear in mind that if it were made, turkey's membership would still have to go through the congressional unity e.u. approval process and imagine if that field and what membership negotiations have turned in to the grievances and the negative attitudes that degenerate the referenced of the report that i made reference to came up in this idea and caulkett interestingly the turkish american partnership. however, that idea could not be pursued because of the way in which the customs union works the other way around that turkey cannot negotiate the agreement with a third co

guest: sounds like a good argument for join the union. the right to join a union is undisputed. he issue is really clearly and you make a good point about why someone who want to join a union. it they do those things and if they provide those services, i would suggest people join the union voluntarily and be willing to do that. when union officials overlay that fabric of compulsion that says you must join -- when they say you're forced pay dues or fees in order to keep a job, why do they need compulsion if they're doing all of these great things for workers. why do unions rely on compulsion? you're saying we can solve all the problems in the country by forcing everyone to pay dues to a labor union. i disagree. host: a viewer asked, what is a closed shop? guest: closed shop was a creation of the wagner act. the idea that the definition of the closed shop was reformed back in 1963 in a supreme court case, we can't force you to be a formal member of the union. the closed shop was, you had to be a union member, you had to be a part of the union, you had to pay dues in order to keep y

the affordable care act. union leaders echoing some of the same concerns. the business community has at their convention. the american federation of teachers worrying its members will see lower earnings with administrators cutting their hours in order to avoid that employer mandate to provide coverage. while construction trades and engineering union leaders worry about the increased cost of the so-called cadillac tax on health benefits reaped by collective bargaining. in their resolution those unions are pushing for preserving high quality health plans in part by eliminating the excise tax on expensive health plans and other fees. what's more, they want members in nonprofit multiemployer plans to be able to access tax credits only available to individuals and small firms. they want to see the employer mandate to kick in for employees who work 20 hours a week. right now it's at 30 hours. afl/cio leader richard trumka reportedly tried to get the group to soften. kevin coleman of the national federation of independent

these were the predecessors of the european union. inolfi: all of the countries that joined the european community were, first of all, members of the council. so it can be considered as a sort of antechamber for the european union. narrator: today strasbourg is also home to the european union's legislative branch-- the european parliament. but the capital of the european union is, in a sense, split with major administrative centers in brussels and luxembourg city, as well as strasbourg. murphy: there's a little bit of a struggle about where the future of this will go. there's an enormous expense right now associated with running back and forth between brussels and strasbourg. indeed, many of the parliamentary committees meet in brussels. then they have to get on a train with their tons of documents and get on over to strasbourg for their formal parliamentary meetings. so it's an issue before europe of how much this is worth. but, of course, there are political and cultural interests vested in this. ( speaking french ) translator: stras

>> we haven't seen the union agreements of the proposals to what we feel sell a reasonable amount of money. >> reporter: that was the charge from the bart board of directors today. a sign that the cooling off period has become a deep freeze. bart management blamed the union. >> we have been trying to meet with the district since august the 12th. they have refused to meet with us. >> reporter: the unions have tried to meet with bart over the past three weeks. they showed me e-mails that bart get to the bargaining table. an august 16th response from bart's chief negotiator says face-to-face meetings would not be fruitful. bart management claimed it has been flexible, offering workers raising up to 10%. >> the feeling that on the board's part we've moved a lot, we've made a good faith effort. >> reporter: but the unions say -- >> when you take contribution into retirement, into medical, the raise equals to 1% over the next four years. >> reporter: another sign the unions claim that bart management is twisting the truth. >> they're hoping lies will win them support from the public. >> th

of the current customs union. that's the main point i want to make, and let me give you three arguments to support that point. the first is that the world has changed. the global environment has been a lot, has become a lot less propitious for the customs union that turkey has with the european union as currently configured. not only, of course, of prospects for e.u. accession dimmed into the indefinite be future and have been -- indefinite future and have been made a lot more problematic by the e nor pows problems, challenges that the e.u. faces internally, its own euro crisis and the difficulties of the political developments within turkey are well known, not only have those prospects for accession receded into the indefinite future, perhaps as important a development is that we have a completely changing picture of world trade. so in my book, "juggernaut," i look forward 15, 25 years, 30 years. you can take all that with a pinch of salt, except that a lot of what i'm talking about is already happening. and 25, 3

i want to turn to news at home over the showdown between big labor unions and the white house over obamae. union leaders push hard for the obama care are leading a battle cry against it unless they get the special government subsidiaries or waivers. doesn't it hurt the overall sales pitch for obamacare, juan? >> it does. >> clearly, the union major democrats constituency, uma, previously were supporters without a doubt. they were promoters of the healthcare reform. now it's not the case that seau repeal it. which is what you hear from many republicans. they say let's fix it. the fix they were asking for is one that would have allowed the unionized workers who have employer provide healthcare plans. to take advantage of subsidies that are going to people who don't have health insurance or impoverished. now the unions say wait, you gave certa waivers to employers, why not to employees? that would put the obama administration in a hypocritical position. because i think they would be undermining the central play of obamacare, spreading insurance coverage, especially to the poor and those wit

that's why the unions are going to get what they want. that's why the supreme court thing is so important, if you take away a piece of this, it unravels like a ball of yarn. otherwise you give out health insurance to the other people and the pre-existing thing and all that. >> if i can add a point to jonas' remark, the subsidies that are accruing for those that don't have health care are for those that don't have job, for those that been maybe unemployed below the poverty line and so forth. here we're talking with regard to labor's push is for those who already have jobs, have full health care from labor and so forth and there would be a double subsidy put to them. and that's the real sticking point which i don't think you'll see get a pass and then get through what they're asking for. >> gary b.? >> here's the irony. david mentioned that all these iterations we've strengthened the law, we've strengthened it so much that every group i can see wants out of it now except for the big health care -- congress doesn't want to be under the umbrel

and hour, those are all handled by the federal government. unions have basically put themselves out of business because they have nothing left they can fight for. >> extraordinary story. you're right, they should have seen it coming but they didn't bother to read the fine print. justin wilkin, thanks. >>> look at this massive fire hitting seaside, new jersey. this is one of the hardest hit towns from hurricane sandy. we have a live report from the scene coming next on "the kudlow report." [ woman ] if you have the audacity to believe your financial advisor should focus on your long-term goals, not their short-term agenda. [ male announcer ] join the nearly 7 million investors who think like you do. face time and think time make a difference. at edward jones, it's how we make sense of investing. face time and think time always go the extra mile. to treat my low testosterone, i did my research. my doctor and i went with axiron, the only underarm low t treatment. axiron can restore t levels to normal in about 2 weeks in most men. axiron is not for use

one that heads the new york teachers union. do not have tenure. >> you have to be in a person. which is a nice thing is the one you are and forever unless you die or are killed. >> well, there is that perspective of it. john: he is laughing, and this is just the way it is in most schools. why do you accept this? >> i think in mexico because of the poor country. people think that what they really want to get is access. and it's only recently that i think that the awareness is growing in the country that if mexicans are not educated, they are not going to be part of the middle class. he wants a new president says i want to change this, these riots have gone off and on for more than a month. they went on before they voted on the new rules. but the rules didn't have. >> desk mic and a pass because they are not satisfied with growing a little corr in the backyard anymore. they want the more high-tech jobs that are coming into mexico because of the north american free trade agreement and they want to be part of that scene. so even sp

one that heads the new york teachers union. ions do not have tenure. >> you have to be in a person. which is a nice thing is the one you are and forever unless you die or are killed. >> well, there is that perspective of it. john: he is laughing, and this is just the way it is in most schools. why do you accept this? >> i think in mexico because of the poor country. people think that what they really want to get is access. and it's only recently that i think that the awareness is growing in the country that if mexicans are not educated, they are not going to be part of the middle class. he wants a new president says i want to change this, these riots have gone off and on for more than a month. they went on before they voted on the new rules. but the rules didn't have. >> desk mic and a pass because they are not satisfied with growing a little corner in the backyard anymore. they want the more high-tech jobs that are coming into mexico because of the north american free trade agreement and they want to be part of that scene. so e

have towards the unions is why should they get something that the average american doesn't get. a reason why those government unions are significantly less popular an less credible than the private sector union. >> a lot of people are getting these carve outs. but i'm wondering about the bigger picture here and where this law ultimately goes. the unions were the ones who were early champions and now, now not. what are we to make of it? all coming out now, i'm wondering, what do you think? >> we're to make of it exactly what people predicted. exactly what nancy pelosi had said, let's give her credit. she did say, you'll have to pass the law to know what's in it. well now the public is starting to see what's in it and they're starting to get a feel for it. businesses are getting a feel for it. the medical profession -- >> it does not look like they're going to stop and talk. the eisenhower executive office building right next to the white house. they're not stopping to talk to the reporters. but they're the ones who wanted carve out exemptions for what they thought were onerous cos

the european union is not perfect. controversies about division of labor to train the national and european rivals will never be conclusively ended and i value subsidiarity. it is a fundamental than the cry principle -- democratic beautiful. -- principal. le. not everything needs a solution at the european level. europe must focus on where it has its values. this should not matter. be european union needs to big on big things and smaller on smaller things. some things we may have neglected in the past. the european union needs to show an ability to set positive and negative priorities and we need to take extra care of the quality and quantity of our regulation. knowing that, as montesquieu [speaking french] there are areas where europe must have integration and can only deliver results. a political union needs to be our political horizon. is not the demand of a passionate european. this is the way to ensure the future. policies, namely our economic and monetary unions, depend on the construct that supports it. commissio

it has a lot to do with the customs union and the way in which the customs union has been formulated. i believe we'll reflect on that. what happens with the cues -- customs union is every time the european union signs a free trade agreement with a third country, is automatically binds turkey which means that turkey has to lower its customs tariff and open up its markets to the third country wherever it may be, and in the case of ttip, it would be the united states. whereas the third country is not obligated to open up its markets. instead, turkey has to engage the third country in an effort to negotiate its parallels treaty. i realize that some of you this might be a funny deal there, but we can always go back into the details of it. most of the free trade agreements that the e.u. had signed was one with relatively smaller economies. however, as the e.u. began to engage bigger and bigger economies, and as turkey began to have difficulties in persuading these countries to come to the negotiating table ranging from algeria, mexico, south africa, and more recently, the e.u. started negot

. >> they're not siding with the unions. >> a lot of them are saying what a great guy richard trumka is. >> no. >> too busy badgeringing guests on the air it to realize what they're saying is, look, when your friends hate it. >> right. >> you got a deep -- >> i'm not a big fan of the health care law. it's so obvious this thing doesn't work and he's starting to screw over his own constituents. >> okay. in a fashionnd i've known and become accustomed to. >> adam, this thing seems to be in rubble when you have to do the carveouts as melissa points out for pretty much everybody. >> well, i liked where charlie was going until he finished and then i didn't like where he was going. i don't agree, neil, it's in trouble. this stuff is messy. i didn't really, by the w, see as much inconsistency f trumka as you all did, between his 2010 cheerleading statement and his -- >>is hair piece was different. his hair piece was different. >> stop it. go ahead. >> well, we've got to -- we've -- this is not perfect. we're going to work to make it perfect. there's things we don't like for our members. that

we excuse with the union representatives today. >> the union insists that safety is just as important as pay and benefits, but depending on the many groups and individuals that are counting, depending on that, the numbers don't add up. the union says that safety has not been a major contract negotiating issue, the union says it's tired of being ignore by the company. >> the district has failed to address these issues. >> we told you last week, they say that bart has a good safety record. in the three and a half years from 2009 to may of this one, they racked up 42 safety incidents, and the other telescoping system -- transportation system, racked up 102, la county, 180, and san francisco, 366. the numbers are achieved with our current operators that are atu, certified operators. >> that's part of a story. >> we don't want these numbers to look like nothing else is going on. >> the numbers show the system operates safely, but don't include the hundreds of crime and other incidents. >> in the last three years, only five of our station, 2,046 incidents cured -- occurred, and it had to be

the unions say bart negotiators insist on meeting for only 10 days of the 22 left in the cooling-offeriod. on monday, the unions offered up a counterproposal with a 4.5% annual wage increase or 13.5% over three years. workers are also offering to pick up the cost of paying their own pensions and increasing installments. the union would ask to start making premium payments for family medical coverage. bart says they are still $112 million apart. we just talked to bart spokesman jim allison. he disputed the union's claims that bart walked out. >> we're willing to negotiate. the calendar calls for another set of negotiations to begin monday. but we're able to meet -- if we're able to meet earlier than that we'll do that and we're able to meet as much as we need to to get the deal done so to say that we walked away is not correct. we're willing to negotiate. we want a deal. >> and bart says unless there is significant movement from the unions, there is no need to meet until next week. as it stands tonight, the two sides won't be back to the bargaining table until monday. allen? >> so the

but what's interesting to me is the union conversation is about the relationship between the worker andhe boss. the conversation that i'm personally obsessed with is about the relationship between a few hundred million americans and work. work and labor are different things. and i think it's easy to talk about two things accidentally at the same time when you talk about this story and the topic that we were just talking about, which one informs the other, right? i wish her well too. my liberal and conservative friends want the same thing. they just disagree on what's the symptom and what's the cause. that's still missing from the conversation. that's long way of saying -- >> they're not talking about protection of workers. i have worked with unions and represented railroad workers who were fired in the name of homeland security and had to go to the unions to get their protection from their employers. and so i understand what personally as working with people, why the unions are important. back in the day the unions were created because of poor workplace conditions. but now we are talkin

the union signatory is the union signatory. and once you are signatory, you agree to abide by certain rules and regulations or there is a serious breach of that union agreement and there is a procedure to adjudicate -- >> that's what i presume. now, there are a couple questions. we do have contracts with private contractors where we require them to be -- we put in the bid specifications that they have to be union, that they actually have -- the one i'm thinking of is the transportation contract and it says right in there they have to contract with united transportation workers and honor their contract, right. which is, you know, we discussed that over the years a few times and it's quite an interesting discussion. i've had it with board members and other school districts, too, because school bus drivers tend to be extremely well paid in other parts of the country and also extremely unstable work force. they turn over all the time because they don't get paid anything. ~ so, it's in the school district's best interest, so, we put

and might not sign up for the union. they see this as an exingsial exist ential threat. >> this is threatening jobs and the hours people have in a job because employers do not have to provide health insurance for are workers who work less than 30 hours a week. some employers are trying to cut people back and not give people 30 hours, will this hurt workers? >> i think it will hurt workers, we're seeing companies cut workers down below 30 hours so they don't have to qualify for health insurance. i think many employers are upset with umg obamacare. it is an imperfect system. it hurts in multiemployer pension plans, hurts workers where they're having their hours cut under 30 hours a week and hurts employers who are taxed on so-called cadillac health care plans. verizon was asking workers to pay more for their health care, unionized workers more for their health care because they claimed obamacare would make it more expensive. sure obamacare will help many individuals get health care through the individual market, it will hel

the union asked leaders for stun guns before. the spring the union sent out an e-mail to residents. 80% prefer stun guns. >> i don't see why not. >> i think it is a deplorable idea. >> he helps kids. she is not buying the reason for requesting stun guns again. >> what that man needed was a mental health expert. >> reporter: she thinks it will increase tensions. >> there will be tragic incidents and the improper use of the tasers. >> it is risk free. if you look at a taser causing a death, it is more likely someone will be injured playing baseball. >> reporter: the police association president hopes to have a proposal soon but any move to adopt the weapons would have to be approved by the city counsel. allie rasmus, ktvu channel 2 news. >>> some relief should be on the way for out of work californians waiting for their unemployment checks. they said they will begin to pay out 80,000 back log claims after tomorrow. it happened when they upgraded their computer system. >> we know how important unemployment benefits are to people. it