transforming nato, the state of science and technology, and how trump's business savvy will affect his presidency. global defense leaders recently visited norfolk, virginia, the unofficial nato home in the united states. the goal, to identify what the described as a modern approach to tackling the goals of the warsaw summit. i sat down with a general and asked him what that modern approach involved. describe -- the first bring is how we innovation with what we do. innovation means we have been asked to -- many issues. effects, what we want to do. differently,ngs looking at the effect we want to achieve. this is the second part of this also -- we have many decisions that followed a short time adaptation. however, we are implementing short-term adaptations. the modern approach is we need to do that. the implementations of decisions can lead me to do better in the future. this is the modern approach, just not focused on the output and how we implement. not looking to the future would be a big mistake. host: a phased approach to getting to the ultimate goal. sometimes when we say, we can try to define what we do in the future. people look at how do you change from now to th

region is push back on the iranians' adventurism in the region using our allies as part of an unofficial alliance or actually a form of an arab nato. once we start to put that on the table and then hold them accountable, which would mean sanctions and other issues that we can get involved in, i believe the iranians will pull out of the deal themselves at some point. >> we've got one more with russia, which in many ways may be the most complicated. president obama put on the sanctions. vladimir putin said in response we're going to hold off retaliating until we see how the trump administration responds. that puts president trump in a box when he takes office, i think, to some extent because if he pulls those sanctions off, it means that he'll be accused by some people of rewarding the people who helped him get elected. how do you see him navigating the russian relationship? he clearly wants a better relationship with russia than we've had. >> listen, he'll be able to get a better relationship with vladimir putin very easily. and the reason is that putin clearly is driven by anti-american policy, his desire to be on the world stage