minister that he would not repeal -- that's you would not repeal the restraints imposed on trade you know 81s by the various trade unions act and associated legislation passed in the thatcher era and the quid pro quo was that his papers would endorse your election? >> no. this was a position i took because i believed in it. actually it was completely consistent with the positions i had taken when i was employment spokesman for the labor party. >> as i put to mr. murdoch a piece in "the times," i think it was the 31st of march, 1997, which indicated your position. but cause and effect here is completely disassociated, is that it? >> yeah. my view was one of the essential things labor had to do, you know, we were dogged throughout the '83, '87, '90, '92 elections with a position that said we were going to repeal all this conservative legislation, which i thought was not simply foolish politically for us, i thought it was wrong. you know, i went through all those campaigns. and in the end, i thought the closed shop was wrong as a matter of principle. i still do. so i didn't need rupert murdoch or anyone else to tell me abo