did he ask mexico to pay for the wall? vicente fox versus donald trump and the former president of mexico in a fierce war of words with the republican nominee. fox is my guest tonight. new polls show the race is tightening. is trump making a major comeback? let's go "out front." >> good evening, i'm erin burnett. out front tonight, the breaking news, donald trump face to face with the president of mexico talking about the core campaign issue that he has had since the beginning and that is the wall. major questions tonight about what really happened behind those closed doors. trump sharing the stage afterwards with president enrique pena nieto. the republican nominee speaking in softer tones about the relationship between the two countries calling mexicans tremendous, even though as he stood by his call to build the wall. >> we did discuss the wall. we didn't discuss payment of the wall. that will be for a later date. >> trump's visit came hours before he's scheduled to give a major speech outlining his immigration approxima

whatever happened to the berlin wall? you might want to ask the garbage collector. tonight how an icon of the cold war ended up on the trash pile of history. >> we begin with the turkish threat. erdogan gave an ultimatum. either allow turkey citizens visa-free travel to the european union or you are theally start holding back refugees who want to enter the e.u. a new migrant crisis in the making. here's more from berlin. >> many german turks don't understand the uproar over this news. ankara threatens to terminate the refugee deal the turkish government is not threatening anyone. it's about turkish democracy. many here say turkey ought to be treat like other european countries. ankara's agreement allows for the return of migrants denied asylum in europe. it can be canceled if turkey's request for visa free e.u. travel is not fulfilled by october.r. visa-free travel can only be granted if turkey abides by the required european standards which it's not doing. it's under turkey. under no circumstances should europe allow itself to be blackmailed. this comes a day after

he made it clear the wall will be built. i think the financing of it will be further discussed tonight, but i don't think you saw everything in one conversation. it is probably an ongoing conversation that he has as candidate, and that he will continue to have with his counterpart in mexico. >> when he came to nafta, the north american trade agreement, he says he wants to improve nafta. he threatened he would break it, is he softening his stance when it comes to nafta? >> i don't think so, regardless of what you call it, he is talking about strengthening it, making sure we update it. what he is saying is that what we have now is unacceptable. coming back in and making updates and change rs, and frankly mexican worker and ends up with the same relate with is a better deal when president obama was running for office in 2008, it was clear that he would renegotiate. i think he got into office. and i think in the eight years of obama, so you want to talk about someone who made promises an it didn't happen. i look back to 2008 as w

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discuss payment of the wall. that will be a later date. a lot of the things i said are very strong. we have to discuss what's happening. there is a lot of crime and a lot of problems. i think together we'll solve our problems. >> there has maybe been a poor misunderstanding or statement that's have maybe hurt, unfortunately, the mexicans have felt offended by had a has been said. but i am certain that his genuine interest is in building a relationship that will provide our mutual societies improved well being. >> here's an interesting twist though. president pena nieto later tweeting that he told trump in their private meeting mexico will not pay for the proposed border wall. trump saying in that press conference that it didn't come up. back in the states, hillary clinton addressing trump's visit to mexico with these not so veiled comments. >> you don't build a coalition by insulting our friends or acting like a loose cannon. you do it by putting in the slow, hard work of building relationships. getting countries,

along the entire arizona border with mexico? >> it's going to be a solid wallu know, in my estimation, i'm not a contractor, but i think it might be difficult through the mountains. it might be difficult. but secure our border, build a wall, double fencing, technology. you know, secure our border. it can be done. it's been done in california. we can do it all along the border. some way, somehow. there are means and methods of doing that. >> and what are your thoughts about the fact that secretary hillary clinton has not accepted the invitation to go meet the mexican president, at least not at this time? >> well, it's hard to hear you but i think you asked me what i thought about hillary clinton, what? >> not accepting the invitation today. she may later but not today. >> well, you know, hillary clinton is in hiding, obviously. we all know that she is up there raising money, picking pockets, you know, for herself. we have got another president, a president candidate that is out there talking to the people and sending a message and talking to people. >> governor,

build the wall! build the wall! build the wall! >> you know, it also occurs to me there's a-semmetry here. he has to keep negotiations should donald trump become president. i mean, donald trump could just come back and lie about what happens in the meeting. yeah, he'd pay for the wall. i don't think -- >> lying? >> i think he doesn't ever. i think he doesn't have the same -- i don't hi he has the same worries. >> i don't think so at all. he doesn't have the worry most people have. he cares about himself, uses bravado to get across the point of view. why believe anything donald trump says come tomorrow? makes it whatever he wants it to be. >> and that's what he's done. he has a track record of doing that, going into a meeting and coming out and telling you something that's completely did not occur in the meeting. >> he also has a track record on this issue of going to a meeting and being momentarily persuaded by who talked to him last. >> with dreamers, said, i don't know, the kid seemed like a good kid. >> that happened years ago.

he wants to build the wall. he wants mexico to pay for it. he says that he's going to start with the criminals, and deportation and then he's going to go to the rest of them. they'll all have to go back to mexico. that means they'll either be forced back or he's somehow going to encourage them to go back. the fact is, we don't need to deport 11 million people. california has another way. we have more undocumented, more immigrants than any state in the country. and we're thriving economically. we're doing well. we can integrate these people. nobody is saying, as an example, they should have automatic citizenship. they ought to wait in line, pay their taxes. but they ought to have a pathway to citizenship. a pathway to the dream. >> let me ask you -- >> these people were americans in their hearts before they crossed the border. that's why they came. that's why people come from all over the world. >> i hear you on that and on immigration. it's the -- one of the foundations of this country. should secretary clinton also accept the invitation of th

contrast to support trail. >> who's going to pay for the wall? >> mexico. >> reporter: when mexican officials had taken on trump previously, he fired back. >> that wall gets 10 feet higher. >> the embattled president nieto whose popularity in mexico hovers just above donald trump's, had likened the republican nominee's rhetoric to that of a dictator like adolph hitler or or bennett toe mussolini, former president, vincente fox, going further on trump in his plan to make mexico pay for the wall pay for that -- wall. >> reporter: with reports surfacing, negotiating for five day, the u.s. embassy that often provides briefing and support to candidates on foreign trips, this time staying on the sidelines. trump's team didn't reach out. trump's visit to mexico a gamble. >> he didn't know what the president of mexico would say. given the position he's in, he needs to gamble here or there. >> reporter: whether that gamble paid off is tonight up for in a tweet late tonight, mexico's president is now s saying at the beginning with his conversation with mr.

live from the berlin wall on the most historic night in this wall's history. ind me -- >> i remember being in the control room watching this, saying can i believe what i'm seeing? there was tom, saying this is happening. he was saying this is stunning, this is just a stunning phenomenon. >> what we were seeing was the destruction of what we had all grown up with in the 20th century. we'd all grown up with the soviet threat. we'd all grown up with democracy versus communism. >> on the other side of the wall, young east germans have rushed through the brandenburg gate, undeterred by water cannon -- >> we were on the air for five straight hours. >> for almost 30 years now, these people have been confined, living in a prison-like state, governed at every step of their life by the east german government. >> tom did not have a prompter. tom did not have a script. he just had the entire history of the 20th century in his head. and it all came out that night. >> some time after midnight at the berlin wall, one of our computer technicians, ed lee, came running up wide-e

do you see when they build the the wall, the germans also built a wall and create a ghetto. >> you knowe son knows it hurts. but most of the children have been hiten by their parents, they hit their children. most of the men that have seen their fathers hitting their wives, then hit their wives as well. they have been victims, and then they are the ones that make someone else victims. so you don't know from suffering. >> before ending our trip we knew we had to go to the wall itself in order to understand the latest phase of this ongoing separation. we went to a suburb of jerusalem where the wall cut through that village and divided it into two halves, separating family members from each other, preventing people from going to their places of work, and children from going to their schools. i think it's you could slice a neighborhood into two and believe that you can stop people from going to prayer or shopping and just bashed wire and cement -- barbed wire and cement are gogoing to create more hatred. about was part of israel's largest national project since the beginning of the occupati

. -- the building of the wall. the better part of his land is beyond that fence. all these walls he built by breaking this sporn land with his wife and his children and all his hard work is gone. he cannot go down and tend to his trees or cultivate it. ♪ >> i feel like i haven't found any anchor for the light at the end of the tunnel. is there any chance for people to believe that there is something else? >> i used to have a speech that said you're looking, you're looking, and it could be the solution somewhere. you totally don't foresee. >> yeah. the wall of berlin came down, south africa turned upside down and unimagined things can happen. >> yeah. >> but where they're saying about driving in israel, don't be right, be clever. because if you enter and you say i'm right, i drive in, you get into such a collision, this is -- it's better to have a strategy, to be clever, what do you do when you enter this next intersection. >> i think the solution is on the israeli side. always the solution is with the person with t

he said, trump, we will not pay for the wall. ten feet taller, and every time they protest, it's going to go up a little bit higher. >> katy tur joins me now. katy, you have been there literally since the beginning of this campaign when trump famously called mexican immigrants rapists and murderers. what's at stake for donald trump today? >> reporter: donald trump is trying to show he is a leader who can literally reach across borders. that is what is at stake for him. if he goes down there and is met with an overwhelmingly negative response and also be readed in public by the mexican president, that could not bode well for donald trump here in the states, if he's humiliated by him. that also could be what president pena nieto is hoping the get out of this, showing himself to be a good leader. donald trump is trying to look like somebody who can go places other leaders can't. he can say what he wants to say, he can tell the truth, he says, on the campaign trail and still go to an antagonistic country and have diplomatic relations

one of the things that you can see is you have office spaces around the exterior wall. this is the main storage space, and what these offices around this wall basically provide a buffer, an environmental buffer, to help stabilize the environment inside the main storage area. when the building was built out, there is a gsa-leased building. this exterior wall and this exterior wall were built in, and there's a vapor barrier inside that wall to protect the collections inside. one of the most important parts about this facility is its security. the location is not necessarily well known because we're not open to the public. we've entered now into the main storage -- storage area for the facility. you'll see that we have a number of different storage techniques as we walk through the facility. you'll see this beautiful robin egg's blue floor. this is an epoxy resin floor that seals the floor, prevents dust or reduces the amount of dust from what would be an open concrete slab and helps to control the environment in here because you have a vapor barrier on the floor, you have

they're building the wall. they're paying for it. then the mexicans will blow him up. this is a guy very accustomed to existing in this sean hannity-rush limbaugh bubble in the last few months where no alternative reality impinges. this is a real deal with an actual head of state of a foreign power. he's going to have to go there. he can't just lie his way out of it. he can't just say, oh, they've agreed to all my terms. the mexicans are now writing a check for me at this very moment to build my magical wall. the problem is more broadly. he's trying to, quote, unquote, appeal to hispanic voters. he's about to give a speech tonight that is pure stephen miller, the same story he's told before where he's talking about mexicans as practically genetically criminals and they're rapists and all this other stuff to appeal to his base. i don't think he's going to get anywhere with hispanic voters by continuing to be so divisive and having to live up to what his crowds desire versus what would be smart lit politically. he has no compassion in his soul so it's going to fall flat.

>> reporter: the story on the wall street journal is cutting it both ways for trump. he wants on the one hand to sort of reboot to get new leadership at the top and that's what he's done. mind you this is the second time in two months that he's refashioned the top of his campaign. but it's not as if he's going to be reading more from the teleprompter. our story, which broke this news in the journal, pioints out he wants to be more trump. he doesn't be to be choreographed and that's where manafort was pushing him, to appeal more to the republican establishment. but trump says, no, that's not what got me through the primaries successfully. i want to be able to kind of be me on stage so you're likely to see more of that. >> trump mentions polls a lot. the polls suggest he has specific problems with specific voter groups in swing states and the establishment has been saying you need to make this pivot. now they've made a decision to do this in a different way, how do they think that's going to help them with those crucial swing voters? >> reporter: i'm not sure you're goin

did discuss the wall but we did not discuss payment of the wall. this was a very preliminary meeting. i think it was an excellent meeting i think we are very well underway. >> with me now so you are listening right alongside what stuck out to you? >> the american people after a year plus of campaigning finally got there first look at donald trump on an international stage. you'll probably hear supporters say they took on the tough issues. you will probably hear critics say that he backed off some of his toughest talk in the first audition. after meeting with the president trump laid out five different shared goals that he said he has for both countries the u.s. and mexico. it lets go let's go through them. he talked about ending illegal immigration. he also said the problem persists in central america as well. second having a secure border is a sovereign right however as you mentioned he would later say that the two did not discuss the signature issue who would exactly for the border wall that trump talks about. then he mentioned dismantling the dr

like that. >> got into a fight with the wall, and the wall won. >> i fought the wall and the wall won. >> mcnaughton, however, disputes the officer's account of the injury and says it was an accident. >> i hit my hand on my door. >>> why did you do that? trying to lockdown? >> no. it pops every time they get all mad. every time the door closes and then they don't want to pop it. so when it was going too fast, i turned around to grab it and it smashed. okay? i got caught in the damn thing. >> you're going to have to get some bubble wrap for you. >> all they do is -- if i was in a dorm, you know -- >> oh. >> it wouldn't a situation. no, seriously! you know i hate being in the pods. >> i know, i know. but just think of it as like buying a condo. you want to try it out. >> i don't want a condo. >> see? exactly. i picked the right thing. >> i've got 11 more years in this county so she's going to be somebody i'll see throughout my career. when are you leaving? when are you leaving our company? >> every one of you guys asks me. never. . i'm here to stay. for like an hour. this is not going t

gone was the confrontational rhetoric, no talk of a bill for the wall. did trump make the most of an opportunity or miss one? we begin with miguel almaguer in mexico city. mexico city, donald trump's meeting with president nieto was cord dahl. >> -- cordial. >> we had a very constructive substantive exchange of ideas. >> reporter: after extending an invitation to the nominee, mexico's president seemed at times defiant, a point by point rebuttal. he said mexico deser deserved the respe ec echoed. >> spectacular hard working people. >> reporter: an about face when trump kicked off his campaign 14 month ago by vilifying mexico. >> they are not our friend, believe me, they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime and they're rapirapists. >> reporter: easing his stance on trade specifically nafta, trump also didn't talk about who pay noers wall on the border. >> we didn't discuss who paid for it. support owners the trail. >> who's going to pay for the wall? >> mexico. >> reporter: when mexican officials had taken on trump previously, he fired back. >> that wa

how do you get them to pay for the wall? >> there are many ways. on trade, they're absolutely killing us. they're killing us. they're killing us at the border. they're killing us on trade. we have a trade deficit with mexico of close to $60 billion a year. so right there you could build the wall because the wall is a fraction of that. so, you know, right there. if we lose a fortune on trade, and that doesn't include the drugs that are pouring across the border, which is probably double or triple or something -- >> i have covered the border now for years on this program. i've been from the rio grande to san diego and everywhere in between 12 times. i have seen drug warehouses, tunnels. we'll show some of the pictures. my next question is, and this is where you seem to be in the last week revisiting the issue of sending everybody back that is here illegally. tell us where you stand on that. >> we want to follow the laws. you know, we have very strong laws. we have very strong laws in this country. and i don't know if you know, but bush and even obama

. >> so this is the wall in the 90s. this is actually apart of the door that was in this men's corporal when he was hen in high school or so. the note right here is from his brother. he drew this on his store when he was still at home and depicts of a serviceman crouching over a body owe f a dead soldier. >> although he drew it own name on the dog tags of the death so soldie soldiers. her mother dead not think it was cool so she made him arrest it. >> soon after he went to vietnam and he was killed in action. his brother cut this out of the door and brought it to all after he wrote michael's name on the dog tags. so he left it at the wall for his brother. if you can get a close up of this. it is a really good letter. it tells the same story. big brother, you never made it home so i brought a picture for you. i know you put your name in the dog tags and mommy erased it. you seem so old to me when you went to waum, i remember the things we did together of the motorcycle ride. i want to thank you watching out for me. these

we discussed the wall, we did not discuss payment of the wall nap is for a later date. this was a preliminary, excellent meeting. we are, i think we're very well on our way. a lot of the things i said are very strong, but we have to be strong and say what is happening. there is crime, as you know, there is a lot of crime and problems, but i think together we will solve those problems. i believe the president and i will solve those problems. we will get them solved. illegal immigration is a problem for mexico as well as for us. drugs are a tremendous problem for mexico as well as us. it's not a one way street. we will work together and fix those problems. >> i want to invite both candidates to respond quickly, by mr. trump, so the meeting, besides the issues we just discussed, we also talked about how relevant is the relationship between our country. how important it is to have a strategic alliance between our countries. i also asked -- showed mr. trump the great responsibility that i have to defend the mexican population. mexicans here and outside of mexico. that there h

the exact position is. and guiliani appears to be unsure of what kind of wall he will build on the southern bord border? e will build a wall a technological as well as physical wall. >> we hear 35 feet high with wall technology. >> technology that can detect people five, six miles away, technology the tech people can dig under the wall. >> i'm not sure if this is a hedge by guiliani suggesting a wall on the southern border is impractical and will be virtual. we know former governor rick perry in texas said the wall would have to be virtual. >> there are some that hear this is 1200 miles from brownsville to el paso, 30-foot high. list listen, i know you can't do that. >> a trump senior advisor is denying saying reports of virtual are false, trump determined to build wall and y saying it will be an impenetrable physical barrier. let's start with the wall. am i right? if the wall, a big physical impenetrable barrier, through the duration of the southern border is still the plan? >> absolutely. never wavered the past year. >> a big part of that border this is rio grand. do you build the wall on our side of t

just to get back to the discussion about whether the wall can be built or not, i think the consensus eople who have looked at this that a wall stretching 2,000 miles along the border was impossible to build. the last time a wall like that was built was the great wall of china, which took hundreds of years and used slave labor. a wall trump has described cannot be built. the people he said are that are going to pay for it are not going to pay for it. the danger of this trip puts a spotlight on those two facts with him going and meeting with a president of mexico, who has compared him to hitler and mussolini and said emphatically his policy can't happen, i wonder what's going to happen when he leaves mexico and if the evening says i'm still going to build that wall and mexico is going to pay for it, even though the president disagrees with me on that. >> i don't think you'll get anyone in the trump campaign or anyone to agree it's physically impossible to build a wall. >> with technology, with drones, there is a way to police the border. >> but technically that's not a wall. >> that's n

he didn't talk about the wall or who pays for the wall. but voters who are going to sort of turn to this election anew this week and next will have a new image of donald trump. one they've never seen before. him standing shoulder to shoulder in a nearly subdued manner, speaking off note cards, standing next to a world leader who invited him to come to his country. it was, on stagecraft, an a-plus. on substance, tbd. we don't know of anything they discussed will sort of hold up. we don't know if the comments about nafta are central to the campaign donald trump has run. he talked about the agreement not serving america as well as it has served mexico. i had heard from one of trump's advisers that part of the outcome of today's meeting would be to make mexico a partner in renegotiating nafta with trump. i'm sorry, with china to have america and mexico partner up. so i don't know if that came to be. i think people who have countered him out will have to take a look at what he pulled off with a lot of secrecy and in terms of pulling off the sta

jeb bush is probably pounding his head against the wall at this point. ver mind jeb bush but other people like lindsey graham and most of the wide range of 17 -- 16 other candidates who ran against donald trump. on the policy, but more importantly, even someone like ted cruz, you can argue his immigration policy was more contelephoco conservative and hard line than donald trump, and making for months and months is warning conservatives he's not really one of you. he just became a conservative a minute ago and you can't really trust to what he's saying despite how great it sounds that. is frustration with these former candidates and the people who were for them, wondering wait a minute, did the party get -- you know, get conned. >> yeah, get high jacked. and i want to ask you -- you said "conned." that's an important word. you spoke with the campaign manager and the deportation force was to be determined. >> correct. >> does this show a force between him and his new team? >> no, i think -- my sense and my reporting is that it's because he is working throug

the wall stuff. wall is now back in in writing, that's what they're clinging to. >> and now we see from that little bit and in his interview tonight, in general, with cooper, that the the wall has like magical powers it's going to somehow solve the immigration issue. people will go, they'll come. it's not a policy. but we all know that, don't we. doesn't everyone, including his supporters, including the. >> the thing that might be the most important thing about the complete reversal. >> even if for only two days, the complete reversal and mass deportation is, doesn't that say to everyone he's capable of a complete reversal on anything. >> exactly, i think that's always been true. >> but the true believers never got to see that so clearly last week. >> i hope you're right about that, i still feel call me cynical or jaded. >> i would never. >> i would say the true believers, we've seen pieces like in the washington post where the true believers in trump rally, we don't really believe he's going to buil

where we put the wall. night he has an obligation to be sure where he stands on the amnesty issue and border security issue on top of trade some a trifecta here. >> image is very important when donald trump goes to a foreign country, 70 odd days before the election. duping he looked presidential in. >> i think some i think standing there as an unelected -- before he's elect, if that were to happen. he does look like he is ready for the job. based on the disagreements in the past, it was an opportunistic moment to have a confrontation t. president of mexico gave him credit for coming to the table and trying to fight the impulse, that he has said. >> thank you very much for joining us. >>> oh, please remember, neil is back on tuesday, september 6th. he'll be kick off his return on 12 find on the fox business fourth quarter. then again right here at 4 another p.m. share your thoughts via twitter or facebook using hashtag cavuto returns. catch me tomorrow morning. varney and me, all right, etch, "the five" is ne

>> is there any chance mexico pays for the wall? >> what trump said, comingp. >>> state of emergency. florida's gulf coast on alert. the tropical storm on the move tonight. and in the pacific, bracing for impact. families boarding up, closing schools, as two hurricanes target hawaii. >>> breaking news. midair collision. the search for survivors after two planes crash into each other. plus, dangerous turbulence injuring a dozen. tonight, we'll take you inside this rough ride. >>> and, alzheimer's the experimental drug. how it works. and will it offer new hope for suffering families? >>> and good evening. i'm tom llamas, in for david tonight. as we come on the air, donald trump's sudden and high-profile trip to mexico is shaking up the race for the white house. tonight, this image, a handshake trip over the border. trump now calling mexican-americans spectacular and beyond reproach. that meeting giving the republican candidate to appear as a statesman. as for the border wall, trump says they talked about it. jon karl is in mexico tonig

around the city itself. 14-foot walls with gun placements around the three sides of the city. right where we are now is pretty much where about the last five fortifications were built. from here, even with a little six -- even a little four-pound gun like the one in the middle up there, little four-pound gun can fire a four-pound iron ball about a mile. so most of that big one horseshoe horse coming in to the harbor is under the small guns, let alone the big guns. what we've got here is one of the swedish iron cannons that were arming the castillo in 1702. 1702 is one of the major sieges that took place here in st. augustine. prior to this fortress being built, the city had been burned to the ground by prinvader, pirates, whatever you want to call them. several times. spain decided to invest in a stone fortification that not only was it going to be a gun platform to defend the city and the harbor, it was also going to be a safe haven, a citadel for the entire community. plan was with castillo once this fortress was built if the ci

and the wall? for the wall? >> we did discuss the wall, we did not discuss payment of the wall. that'll be for a later date. this was a very preliminary meeting. >> reporter: president enrique pena nieto extended the invitation to trump and hillary clinton just last friday. trump's decision, a total surprise. when we touc air. it's been a whirlwind. we didn't know until about midnight last night that trump's harsh words have made him a pariah here in mexico. over the past year, protesters have burned him in effigy. trump pinatas doing brisk business. pena nieto himself has compared trump to hitler and mussolini. but today, he softpedaled, too. emphasizing that mexico will cooperate with whomever wins the trump under fire for waffling on his pledge to deport all 11 million undocumented immigrants in the u.s. >> there certainly could be a softening. we aren't looking to hurt people. >> reporter: he promises to clear it all up tonight at a speech in arizona. trump supporters we spoke with there were hoping he would stick it to the mexican president today. >> i'm hoping he's going t

we put a man on the moon and all of a sudden you're saying we can't build a wall? happened to you? >> we're quitters? i don't know if it's that or the people who are discussing -- if the people who are discussing this are saying it is physically if not impossible are structural engineers and people who know the topography. >> who? which structural engineer? >> the campaign has said the wall is probably not going to be build, it may have to have some sort of electrical or part that's not actually physical. >> this entire conversation is completely ludicrous and here's why. >> thank you, van. >> the whole thing is ludicrous because, first of all -- >> van's in favor of the wall. >> hold on a second. if you're concerned about keeping terrorists out with a wall, you might have to build one with the canadian border because people have come from canada who have done bad things. fundamentally what this is is a metaphor. they are trying to instill in the american people that everything that's wrong with america is because people are coming here from our southern borders. l

who's going to pay for the wall? who? >> mexico! for that [ bleep ] wall. he should pay for it. he's got the money. democracy cannot take us to crazy people that doesn't know what's going on in the world today. >> mexico's current president has also had strong words for trump. in month he said trump's strident tone was how mussolini and hitler got in. president nieto's job approval rating is just 24%. one former mexican intelligence official told the "wall street journal" for trump this makes perfect sense. he polishes his image. what pena is going to get out of this, half price on the wall. the mexican president has stood firm on proposals while seeing the need for a strong relationship in case trip turns out to be the next president. >> under no circumstances would mexico pay for that wall. >> there is no way that mexico can pay a wall like that. but any decision can be taken further. >> translator: we have to make it very clear that development and prosperity in the united states is built necessarily through the prosperity of its

the mexicans are going to pay for the wall? do you think the mexicans are going to pay for the wall? what do you think? >> $65 million trade imbalance in trade. >> i asked you the question, do you think the mexicans are going to pay for the wall? >> they are going to pay for the wall because we're going to fix trade. that's going to pay for the wall. but are you going to secure the wall first? do you support securing the wall before we talk anything about your amnesty plans? >> you know the experts on the border -- >> yes or no, secure the wall, yes or no? >> of course we have borders that matter, right? >> are we going to secure the wall or no? >> we've been debating this for ten years, you keep drawing us back into the state and not able to move forward. of course securing the border is important -- trish: we're going to leave it there, you know, hopefully everybody can agree that you got to have borders if you have a country. see you in a little bit. i want to check on the markets, the market is off 82 points in response to j