the welfare state was prevalent and it was supposed to help. it only made the place even more dysfunctional. they provided food stamps but it did not stop hunger. it offered welfare checks but it could not promote economic growth or jobs. it excuse laziness, turned a blind eye to gang banging and condones the break down of the family unit. worst of all it instilled a sense of entitlement and subjects and it took away their right, smear to their smeared their dignity and sap their initiative. thankfully for my family we didn't versus a in the welfare this was in part because we spoke almost no english when i showed up in american we have no idea where or how to apply for welfare benefits. we didn't even know that welfare benefits existed for people like us and back then they definitely existed because this was the day before welfare reform of 1996 and poor illegal immigrants in this country did not have to have been here for five years before they became eligible for government money. maybe we didn't take advantage of these welfare programs simpl

now, the welfare state. america didn't invent the welfare state. europe had one and even rome had one. i didn't know that until i came to this conference. and two people who have educated me are charles murray, author of losing ground, the book that woke america up to the destructiveness of welfare. and larry reed of fee, the foundation for economic education. larry, i learned from you shall the welfare state began about halfway through the roman empire. >> that's right. it took the form first of payments to recipients in the form of subsidized grain, government gave it away at half price. but the problem was that they couldn't stop there. later, there was a man who ran for the office of tribune on a platform of free wheat for the masses and he won. it was downhill from there. >> and they gradually raised taxes and gave stuff away. >> including a free salt, free pork, free olive oil, other staples of the roman diet. >> people would show up and -- >> yeah. there would be long lines. they had a means test at one time and did away with it so that anyb

john: the one thing is we baby boomers embrace was the welfare state. i believed this would end poverty and it is a good example of the dependency talk because if you look at a graph of what happened after the war on poverty began it is true poverty dropped the first five years 9 million people were helped the look that since then the line goes up and down and the top people to be dependent and progress stopped and looked at the five years before the war on poverty and le were lifting themselves out of poverty on their own without government. government helped a few people then stop the progress. >> look what else. katrina. hurricane katrina was predicted now we have the ability to know that hurricane is coming your way and will hit new orleans like a powerful powerful te. so people sat there and waited for the government to come to bring the bus to take them to safety. that you have 10 da warning you start walking. you pack up your gear in and say i have got to get out of here because i have to save myself. no. people sat there and said wait until the g

john: the one thing is we baby boomers embra was the welfare state. i believed this would end poverty and it is a good example of the dependency talk because if you look at a graph of what happened after the war on poverty began it is true perty dropped the first five years 9 million people were helped the look that since then the line goes up and down and the top people to be dependent and progress stopped and looked at the five years before the war on poverty and peop were lifting themselves out of poverty on their own without government. government helped a few people then stop the progress. >> look what else. katrina. hurricane katrina was predicted now we have the ability to know that hurricane is coming your way and will hit new orleans like a powerful powerful test. so people sat there and waited for the government to come to bring the bus to take them to safety. that you hav 10 days warning you start walking. you pack up your gear in and say i have got t get out of here because i have to save myself. no. people sat there and said wait until the

ic the welfare state growing >> people are coming out of the closet called black consertives coming announcing they preciate what i do and what i say but they are afraid to be targeted and criticized by friends and family whe they agree wi what i say. john: when you say we made prress and i am skeptical i think of snapped which is the new name for welfare i guessless of a stigma. >> the gb stupid name for atrocious program. [laughter] but they host the go themed parties for elderly to encourage them to get food stamps. >> whistle is how embarrassing our government is running ads for these parties to get more people to rely on the vernment and obama said he wants to fundamentally transform america to be more dependent on the government is part of that plan and it is the wrong plan for our country. john you see people begging in cities like this and when i was a kid i would feel sorry for them and give them many. then we did test to find almost all of them had homes and were skimming people and the social service agencies say don't give to these people. by a chided for one hour and made $11. mor

. >> social governments in europe are running away from the welfare state and away from the fire but americans are dousing themselves as counsel -- gasoline that will burn down the whole structure because we cannot afford these things but it is about the character of e nation. if we keep putting the government do things for us what is this a about us as a people? john: i suppose you may say it is easy to talk about the harm done by the wfare state as we are privileged white guys but what about poor people are minorities? let's talk to somebody who is not white and grew up far from privilege. deneen borelli author of "backlash" claiming the left is driving americans to the government's plantation? >> the government economic plantation because there are way too many people who feel they are entitled to government support humphrey every day one and needed to look at the number of people who are obtaining government assistance we also trading that for votes. >> the number keeps going up and the numbers are deplorable money put that in perspective the state of california there are more pe

are immigrants and that train or are they net contributors for the welfare state and today mainly come here to work or to get state benefits. for that matter the political impact of immigration is something that has been debated. what should we expect from an increased legal immigration in that regard verses the status quo. these of legitimate questions that go to the heart of one's world views. such issues as equality and fairness, proper role of the state in regulating business and labor, cultural or national identity issues, and fiscal policy, just to name a few. so it's no wonder that the sudden interest on the part of leading republicans and democrats to address this issue has caused heated exchanges, exaggerated claims, and some amount of nastiness. that is why i am pleased today to be able to host a forum for a book that takes a balanced look at a wide range of issues that are being discussed today. the book, global crossings, immigration, civilization, and america comes at a perfect moment. it puts immigration and historical context showing how so much of the debate today is no

now, the welfare state. i didn't know that, buti came to this and the two people who educated me include charles murray, an author about the destructiveness of welfare. and there he i reread from the foundation fconomic educion. lay, i learn from you that this begin about halfway through the roman empire. >> the government gave away the subsidized treatment half-price. but the problem is they couldn't stop it there and later there was a man who ran for the office of the tribunal for the masses. and it was downhill from there. they gradually give stuff away with a steady increase. >> including with other staples of the roman diet. john: people would show up in this way? >> yes, they had a test and they got away with it so that anyone could fill up and get this free stuff. >> and they decided that you had to be edited by the state. >> well, not everybody, but they started public schools? >> well, it was much later. largely with homeschooling. in the firstpublic had was about 250 bc and they were not funded by t

now, the welfare state. i didn't know that, but i came to this and the two people who educated me include chales murray, an author about the destructiveness of welfa. and there he i reread from the foundation for economic education. larry, i learned from you that this begin about halfway through the roman epire. >> the government gave away the subsidized treatment half-price. but the problem is they couldn't stop it there and later there was a man who ran for the offi of the tribunal for the masses. and it was downhill from there. they gradually give stuff away with a steady increase. >> including with other staples of the roman diet. john: people wod show up in this way? >> yes, they had a tt and they got away with it so that anyone could fill up and get thisfree stuff. >> and they decided that you had to be edited by the state. >> well, not verybody, but they started public schools? >> well, it was much later. largely with homeschooling. in the first public had was about 250 bc and they were not funded by t

that will feedback in the welfare states being una fortedable. you can't tell them have more kids, but you have to give people mor freedom and then household fortion and kids. >> big government is wrecking the young adults who want more kids. go a head. >> he may be right, but i don't find comllg the death and birth causing suicide ark round the world. we live in inner- connected global economy. the idea that one country's wirth rates will harm is not compelling. a lack of economic freedom is far more economically corosive than low birth rates whh are an affect of low growth. >> what dan was saying right on. our tax system for instance. it incent voices people behave in certain ways. we want to get government out of the way people make decisions for their families that are best. marria and family, it should not be dictated by our government. >> we have to leave i there. coming up. law makers want to put a national park on the moon and the price for that maye astronomical. but we have affordable stocks that are out of >> laylaw makers pushing f a r

considering -- >> well, liberals like the irs because it collects all the money to basically finance the welfare state. she was saying that in the most inarticulate ways imaginable because the new york city fire department is not financed by the irs. you know -- >> but didn't that scare you more? >> she has no ia what she's doing? >> yeah. >> it's not the irs who pays that. i almost felt like underneath that to do a fox news alert. hey, lady -- >> it's scary how little these people know. i talked to chris dodd about the banking system, he authored dodd/frank, the big financial reform law. he told me the canadian banks are bigger than the u.s. banks. so all these people are, in my view, three sheets to the wind when it comes to that stuff. >> i say a double quarter pounder has as many calories as a salad. josie, what i'm wondering is these are the people who are going to allow the irs to oversee health care ithe next -- and hire thousands of agents to police this. and it worries me. >> charlie hit the nail right on the head. they just -- for every dollar they raise, they spend on irs, they bring in $6.

that is the entitlement state. that is the welfare state. there was not about a 19th century. there was no bureaucracy to speak of. the state department i believe in 1863 in the middle of the warhead 33 employees. there is no regulation and i'm a little hesitant to predict where lincoln would be 150 years later but i have a hard time believing that this would be an absolute anathema. all we do to obstruct the development of our own country. you have states like new york that are dragging their feet and doing everything they can to obstruct this great natural castor is the -- cast revolution that creates blue-collar jobs and get 12 out of the ground into the economy, that lowers the price of electricity inmates manufacturing better. everyone should be doing somersaults of joy over this but we are blocking it. the same thing with the keystone pipeline. there is an infrastructure project and what is government doing? it's studying it and blocking it and layers of membership to review. no offense, i don't have that much of a bugaboo about lawyers all of these lawsuits, congress nee

it's great if he made an anti-immigrant argument, but every argument he is using his one is the welfare statelike reality in data. agassi's 42% less. >> then make the same arguments you did. [inaudible conversations] >> you need to know more about your history. john: too much at the same time. in the 20's people said the irish were drunks. the italians were stupid. jews were obnoxious. we have o ads, no irish need apply. >> what's the point? >> people have always said these immigrants are going to take welfare. >> pointed out irish and italian. i have not pointed out and that the city since i have been sitting here. john: there s always been an anti-immigrant attitudes. >> she works for an organization where people donate money, lots and lots of money. a very rich people. but i and a stand that americans right now are hurting. they are hurting because they cannot find jobs. i'm not saying stop all immigration. and sank in a slowdown. catch our breath, get americans baak to work. let's make sure that george kane does not have to save you froa building. >> one of the main arguments made by the

>> well, i thi in fact if we got rid of the entire welfare state, that the ability of the wealthy society to deal with the problems would work. i don't think it is within the realm of possibility for an advanced society with as much wealth to ever do that politically. i think that libertarians will have to strike a grand compromise. in affecting the we will give you a big spending if you will give us freed from interference. i would say use of guaranteed bac income for everyone under 21 years old and known bank account, and let people take their lives back into their own hands. theyill have the wherewithal that they can deal with this and if they do not do it, they will have to talk with friends and area neighbors and churches and in the community and they want to me their case. i think that is the better way to go. john: you wrote a book about this. it is called "in ourhands." his better book is "in pursuit of happiness and better government." so you're telling me that the social workers, the new york times" reporter will go on and say that you're going to let this woman's children starv

but then the welfare state says i'm going to train you, retrain you. oing to get you back on the job market. you're going to be better then. what that does -- that is a boom for business. and that's why both businesses are competitive. i don't want to punish business. i want to make sure that the moneys are used in the right way. if that means higher taxings. if we want to have the capacity of our society to create the i would add one other thing. it's good education, like many countries in europe, you have businesses that are able to fire people very easily. but then the welfare state says i'm going to train you, retrain you. i'm going to get you back on the job market. you're going to be better then. what that does -- that is a boom for business. and that's why both businesses are competitive. i don't want to punish business. i want to make sure that the moneys are used in the right way. >> i agree. well, this is all off of the point. the question is raising tax rates. the best welfare as john f. kennedy said is still a good high-paying job. it's far

robert rector is the guru to understanding the welfare state and the need for reform and what he tells us, as soon as we grant amnesty, there will be chain migration and votes for more and more entitlement programs, more and more safety net programs. and so you will have millions of people who will be putting something into the system and taking much more out especially after the 10-year budget window, which is why it looks so good when it is actually put on paper. but we all know what will happen is that this nation, even though we are already $17 trillion in debt, will be much more in debt as a result of those people then getting on to social security and medicare and all these other programs. so what does that mean? we do have a problem and all began with our inability to control our borders and yet you have a giant senate bill which is to immigration what obamacare is to health care, a giant, unwieldy complicated bill which law, will be unenforceable. i have heard so many times and i have been here almost five years, my good friend from minnesota and i have heard so many times that

that is the entitlement state and the welfare state and there is none of that in the mid-19th century. there is no bureaucracy to speak out. the state department, i believe, in the middle of a war, it had 33 employees and there is no regulation. i'm a little hesitant to predict where lincoln would be on various things 150 years later, but i have a hard time believing. he just wouldn't find it in this way. all we do to obstruct the development of our own country. you know, you have states like new york that are dragging their feet and doing everything they can to obstruct this great natural revolution that we have going on that trades good blue-collar jobs and get 12 out of the ground and into the economy. that lowers the price of electricity and everyone should be doing somersault of joy over this. same thing with the keystone pipeline was a government doing? it is having layers of environmental review. but all of these lawsuits as well have environmental groups to stop it from happening. i would just argue that the fundamental break came with a new deal, those are progressives, and i

that is the entitlement state and the welfare state. there is none of that in the mid 19th century. there is no bureaucracy to speak. the state department i believe in 1863 in the middle of a war had 33 employees. there is no regulation. i'm a little hesitant to predict where lincoln would be 150 years later but i have a hard time believe he wouldn't find it absolutely anathema all we do to constructed the development of our own country. you have states like new york that are dragging their feet and doing everything they can to obstruct this great natural gas revolution we have going on that creates good blue collar jobs and gets the wealth out of the ground and into the economy that lowers the price of electricity and makes manufacturing better. everyone should be doing somersaults of joy over this. but the pipeline there is an infrastructure project and what are they doing? blocking it in of late years of the environmental review. no sense i don't have that much about lawyers but all these lawsuits filed by the environmental groups to stop it from happening. so, i would argue the f

the european welfare state and to some extent the american welfare state delivered unprecedented prosperity after world war ii, right? people lived better. the working classes in europe and in the united states lived better than they ever lived before. unprecedented. and that really worked for a good 30 years. then in the 1970s with the energy crises, stagflation, the west hit a wall and they needed new solutions. it was clear that old model wasn't going to work anymore for whatever reasons. i do see some very interesting parallels to that and the financial crisis because the financial crisis again showed us our unlimited faith in markets is probably not the thing. that, you know, we do need some sorts of alternatives or corrections would perhaps be a better way of putting it. and some countries have tried to put in place corrections or somehow reform their market structures. but you can't help but think that, that might not be enough to satisfy voters in this country, and europe who are now having a very, very hard time of it. the employment rate may be increasing here. but there are enorm

. >> are we just growing the welfare state? >> yes, we are. yes, we are. this should be the land of opportunity. and without considering and making sure that opportunity is available to the people who are here, and then the new people who come, it's just all a matter of votes. get some more votes. we want 20 million, 30 million new votes. and doesn't care about what will -- the impact be on americans. >> in his first term, president obama seemed to want obamacare to be his legacy legislation. people remember president obama fo obamacare do you think he still wants that to be the case? >> think he still wants those by his legacy. the thinks this will be his great is historical -- his note in the history books. when started obamacare he did so without looking at insurance companies, without looking at pharmaceutical companies. although those who industries account for more than half of all healthcare costs. you cannot reform an industry, a system, by leaving out more than half of it from the sacrifices. fell instead on businesses and on workers and healthcare

this is all because of the liberal welfare state. host: anything specific to say about the president's speech yesterday? is a racist.nk he i think eric holder is a racist. from san diego on the democrats line -- i cannot believe the last two collars. moving on from there. the biggest thing that obama did for us yesterday was remind us that there is another side to george zimmerman. for three weeks we have heard about how scared he was because this black teenager in a hoodie was in his gated neighborhood. we have been hearing about how got hise was, how he nose bleed and the cuts on the back of his head because he could not fight. for three weeks we had to listen to this bid -- to this. your previous callers called him a thought. resident obama told us there is a different side to this story -- african-americans and white people are in the streets telling the rest of america there is something wrong in this country when you can take a gun, shoot a kid in the heart when he was doing nothing wrong. all of these people are calling in this

these countries in europe you have businesses which are able to fire people very easily, but the welfare stateomes and says, i am going to retrain you. i am going to get you back on the job market, and you will be even better then. you snow what that does? for business. for business. so i don't want to punish business, i want to make sure the moans are used in the right way. if we want to create the capacity of our citizens to be free and capable people. >> this is all off the point. >> the best form of welfare, as john kennedy said, is a good, high-paying job. people don't become prosperous from programs. they become prosperous with jobs. but i agree with you on making everything more efficient and everything better. no one wants to let those people who are down and out not get what we can afford as a society. we all want to free the prosperity. benjamin put it so well. he was head of the naacp. he said blacks are hired last and fired first. the only way blacks are going to t jobs and keep them is if jobs are around and prosperity is up. the reason we can provide more jobs ineth openia -- eth

but they couldn't pay for it and people got mad, tried to appease masses with bribes, a welfare state. they created the, free grain and olive oil. >> they didn't that, didn't they? >> they did. free bread and circuses. >> you make the case it's on the same track. that took hundreds of years. >> 1400 years. we've managed 237, so, also, we don't have slaves or kill people for sport. researching is the stuff these arrogant emperors did. they put children from around the world to -- so the emperor could defile them. they would bring in hippos, giraffes, and lions for the the emperor to kill. it was gross. >> we're not that bad or close. >> a hundred million africa trip. >> with people eating as much as they could, throw up, and eat more, and they cleaned up the throw one. we're not still to that level. >> there's a big difference. if you were where i want to do that, i'm fine with that, it's our business, but when the emperor makes you pay for it, that's the problem. >> and you think that we are on that kind of long term, very serious decline in >> well -- >> you think that? >> our welfare state is unsusta

detroit, the cities in california that have declared bankruptcy, whether you're looking at the european welfare states, all these things have the same basic underlying causes. when you have a very bad ratio of people who produce compared to all the people who have their snouts in the public trough you wind up with a financial disaster. with the federal government it's more entitlements with state and local governments, it's more very bloated government work forces and overly generous unfunded pensions but comes out to exactly the same results. this was the most predebilitiable chrysler in the world for detroit, just like a very predictable crisis for greece, and if don't do anything to control entitlements here in washington, it's the most predictable crisis for america. >> some might sale the comparison doesn't work. greece, some said, would really cause a problem for the entire unite it nations. -- european union but does detroit fully pose the same threat for the united states of america? if the city goes bankrupt, does it have that same effect? >> i don't believe in that contagious argument. if gr

the choices and facing the republican party it seems to me it is a question of the extent to which america is a welfare state. the extent to which america is as year up is a place everyone to an extent is looked after. i think it is a legitimate debate and it isn't something that i in him john to be perfectly honest i am sympathetic to an american way of doing things that is different because it seems to me that i have done rather well over 200 or so more years but not in any way shape or form suggesting that americans should become more european. in fact the opposite. but i think you have to be honest with yourself about the extent to which you are still that sort of frontier people. you don't need to depend on any government to the federal government, state government paid you can do everything yourself to be or whether in the modern age it is unrealistic whether it is setting up businesses, whether it is providing the infrastructure that the modern society's dependence on. whether it is getting the citizens relatively healthy and able to purchase of bate fully to the extent of their capabilities to let al

even though there's -- in many ways the british welfare state is much more advanced than ours, you stillnance sector there kind of running perhaps even more amok than our own. >> i would also thrown in that there is, i believe, a template for american royalty. you see it. look at kennedy family. in this day can you walk down the street and see post es for jfk exhibits 50 years after his presidency. one thing i will see as a millennial, i love this baby. these are positive role models. it's great. >> i will say, martin, as we close, the monarchy costs british taxpayers 33.3 million pounds a year. >> is that more or less than the bbc? >> and that, as compared to an assessment of what the royal family brings in this terms of tourism, which is about 500 million pounds a year. so on a purely fiscal basis, there is some value. also, just a quick thought. don't you think that our current first lady or your first lady is the equivalent of a member of the royal family. >> although she was elected into that office instead of born. >> yet she attracts the same level of attention and scrutiny as any

people in that the same time when did the society needs more welfare state we're losing it's day by day we have to change this policy and the government it's time to say stop with all these measures and we hope that this is that they will vote in the parliament about a new plan which leads to more austerity cincinnatus thank you very much for your time this was. from the civil servants confederation of greece one of the two main unions organizing this general strike today in these. decades of war in afghanistan have brought many consequences including the onset of the world's biggest heroin industry with the amount of land on the opium cultivation constantly on the rise it's also affecting neighboring pakistan where it's now easier sometimes to get high and get fed you may find some images in lucy catherine office report to stop. an ambulance rushes to caracas largest more than other body is brought in to be identified there's no shortage of ways to die in the city target killings bomb blasts and drugs. i was hoping not to find his father here he's been searching karachi for more than t

and more in rising up unemployment people and that the same time when the people and the society needs more welfare state we're losing it's day by day we have to change this policy and the government it's time to say stop with all these measures and we hope that this is that they will not vote today in the parliament about a new package which leads to more austerity six and i just thank you very much for your time this was. from the civil servants confederation of greece one of the two main unions organizing this general strike today in greece are just around the corner and the man who makes the blood of the big bankers run cold max kaiser the kaiser report in just a sec thank you for watching. or remember those old wacky communist countries who constantly boost their numbers to make themselves feel better or who cares if stores are in the end this piece of paper a one hundred thousand tons of potatoes that is good enough for me well now we are in a new age of technology but the same lying to make yourself feel good is still going strong it just moved over to the capital swirled the u.s. state department

one of the main points of the constitution of the united states of america states that in order to form more perfect union we need to promote general welfare. the declaration of independence states all men are created equal under life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. if our use for -- excuse me. if our use [inaudible]. >> thank you. >> thank you. that's your time. thank you. (applause) >> next speaker. >>> [inaudible] current student at san francisco state. i'm taking classes at city college to fulfill some requirements because there are some classes i am unable to get at san francisco state. so, if city college were to close, some students from san francisco state would be adversely affected. it's not just some, however. i'm also taking -- well, let me start this again. i ask that you guys do all that you can in your power to ensure city college remains open in its current state and form. not [speaker not understood], not privatized. city college serves a diverse range of demographics. not only for those who transfer, but newcomers who don't yet know english. my mom is one great example. not only -- also those who are trying to get

the people and the society needs more welfare state we're losing it to day by day we have to change this policy and the government it's time now to say stop with all these measures and we hope that this is there that they will not vote today in the parliament about a new package which leads to more austerity. is going to all that i live in or many thanks indeed. to the u.k. now where inspection and border control might now go further than just x. raying your luggage police now have the power to simply confiscate travelers mobile phones and check all the data on them. explains this is one of the most visited countries in the world and right behind me one of the busiest airports but one many travelers may not know one till they actually get to where you can airport or any other port of entry is the fact that police can actually use anti a counter-terrorism laws to take more vile from us from anybody they want to and go through that private data download and store them now this kind of information would include a call history contacts photos who the person may have been communicating with t

it was founded in 1928, the muslim brotherhood has built loyalty to providing the closest support of egypt to a welfare state. legal help and religious guidance. when the prayers ended, the slogan started. [chanting] >> they believe that by removing a president a year after he won an election around the world, the egyptian democracy has stolen their newfound democracy. >> where? where? >> one of the brotherhood's senior leaders spelt out their position. ballot against the boxes and against the people's will. illions will will stay here to block the coup and bring back the elected president. >> across cairo and in other major cities, the army deployed to be ready for the merges the muslim brotherhood had promised. the troops are supported by millions of egyptians who wanted the president and the muslim brotherhood out, who denied that this was a military coup, who say the army is restoring their revolution. perhaps 2,000 supporters of president morsi marched to a military compound, the officers club of the presidential guard. soldiers were waiting, but for trouble. many in the crowd believe that this is where

and they spend a lot on the bloated welfare state system, on public pension funds, retirement benefits, those kind of unproductive investment. brown brown is there any difference in lieu la and dill ma? >> well, i'd say lula was much more charismatic, but he had one big benefit. he was in power when massive commodity boom was taking place and he was able to ride the tail wind quite well. dill ma is encountering a global head wind and she has a tail wind. dill ma. >> rose: is this directed at one person or -- >> it's directed at all the parties and their leaders. >> rose: in egypt they're calling for their president's head. >> no. i think what's interesting is to see the polling that shows this surge of the chief justice of the supreme court as a possible candidate in next year's elections. he's not even a candidate at all but he's the symbol -- well, he's not a political figure that dilma is or opposition leaders. he is a symbol of cleanliness and uprightness and therefor this there's been this surge which represents a rejection of both of the main parties. >> rose: paulo, these protes