and if we are talking about our cooperation with the west. remind you that there is not a single western country where there are no westernizers and slavophiles. look at the 19th century discussion. with the germans, with the poles, not to mention the british or the united states, these two tendencies fought all the time there, isolationism and openness to the world and contacts with other nations. if speak about the soviet stage, let's remember, and those production capacities of the economy that was created at the time of our industrialization were german or american engineers. entirely purchased from factories. the same magnitogorsk is, uh, this is the fruit of our cooperation, it seems, with the west with which we were in confrontation, that is, the concept of civilization, as it seems to me, is such a complex idea, and as a rule, they exploit it. this concept is for political purposes, based on the fact that it is pursued whether only economic justifications or respected by all in within the framework of the un human rights charter to sa

all the areas where russia has been dependent on the west. oh, it's kind of relied on trust that is deb in a using western technology banking system. all of this is relied on not just the russians trusting the west. but what we're now seeing is, after this sanctions and cutting off trying to destroy the russian economy, the rest of the world is looking at the west enough to know with admiration about their standing of principle. but the west, the seem to be more rogue. now, in, in the international a country, international economic system. so the rest of the world, china, india, in all facing possible threats to trade with sir russia. then our questioning it, oh, is it safe to be have us reply lines dependent on in a western industry. some technologists is safe to use euros in dollars to swift, to use their banks. they're, they're starting to, you know, question all this. and this is why the economic system, which has been so centralized and western centric is now fragmented. so, you know, this should have been obvious. i mean, i've been warni

this is why it's important in the west to recognize the unit polarity is gone. did the world this multiple are the tools of the unit polar order doesn't exist anymore. now i understand out why a unipolar world would be beneficial to the united states from the political and even economic point of view. but when it comes to history, when it comes to collective psychology, i simply cannot understand how anyone can assume that one collective psyche can develop in accordance or, or take the path. and we're not a collective psych. i mean, we are all different, even on the individual level. i cannot be you, you cannot be me. where does this idea that it is possible to develop countries as different from the united states as, let's say, china, russia, afghan is done where this idea comes from that there. we can essentially be all like that, like the americans. it seems so stupid to be honest with you. my friends were all from like the realist theory perspective, i think everything derives from power even though the ologist a reflection of power. when your dominant asked

ah, the united west. we took the blow of the united west from which, as they it seemed. n't resist, but we're fine by ourselves. we stand, we do not even use the reserves that we have in order to really.

and the sanctions are actually hurting the west . more than russia like 1.2 example is and we're not going by russian guess. so. busy we buy it from elegy from china instead, will brush us export it did a thanks to the russia, keeps the energy price high. russia exports to china. china takes a markup, and exports to the u. rush. us being benefiting cause the price are pushed up. russian export less energy, but still make much more money. are all our leaders from usaa, britain, you the all kind of get their entire political legitimacy on, on this fight that we were going to beat the russians. but now, or when this all failing, they don't really have any other solutions. threatened us, double down professor didn't. this is actually again, a very interesting question and perhaps even an under explore and how much political mythology and rhetoric influence soul and economic decisions. because here in russia, we usually think of the westerners as those, you know, hard nosed capitalists who are good at procuring profits will only mind their

extreme attack on the west here by the russian foreign minister. — west here by the russian foreignyearly operations some point. serie a lavrov— yearly operations some point. serie a lavrov did — yearly operations some point. serie a lavrov did make a comment on those referendums, _ a lavrov did make a comment on those referendums, accusing the west of hysteria _ referendums, accusing the west of hysteria -- — referendums, accusing the west of hysteria. —— sergey lavrov. comparing _ hysteria. —— sergey lavrov. comparing this to crimea. saying that these — comparing this to crimea. saying that these referendums are ethnic russians— that these referendums are ethnic russians who want to be part of russia, — russians who want to be part of russia, but certainly, what we heard from the _ russia, but certainly, what we heard from the rest of the international community is expressing extreme concern _ community is expressing extreme concern about these referendums and the un _ concern about these referendums and the un secretary—general himself and his comments to the un security council.

i think for the west, it's important to for them, for the west to kind of ask themselves what the west perceives as a bigger threat. is it russia, these are the ukraine and what that means for western europe, or is it china and the economic threat that china poses to the entire western order? and i think that's a conversation that's probably taking place in the corridors of london and washington and, and where have you up there is obviously an urgent need for globally, for some sort of an impasse or an end to the conflict between russia and ukraine. and i think that we saw even the un chief speak to mr. brewton recently. and, and that's from a humanitarian perspective. leave alone, the strategic and the economic and the conflict that's from the perspective of, you know, food supply chains or energy supply chain impacting ordinary people. like you and meets a so there is an imperative now, you know, so dying this up with the a c o and with g 20 and a country like india, which is sort of wanted as a partner by both sides because of the economic potential that india brings to the table i

the west is old out of afghanistan. it's not going to come back into that part of the wood indian needs a strong, stable neighborhood. now does that strong, unstable neighborhood also sometimes come at the cost of certain democratic principles? for me? i think that's a really complicated question that are on those. it is nationalists to will argue that you know, security is more important than their full. this is ok. so i think it really depends on where on that line you stand. let's talk about what you're referring to, the russian invasion of your brain in rush it's term, there's a special military operation. and i think in order to put that in into context, you know, have to go back to the previous round of confrontation. that is the cold war to the signing of the final house. and of course in 1975, which were based on the promise of sovereign equality and this principle, the spirit of indivisible security. the spirit that was later abandoned in favor of the american lad had you on a piece. now, i know for a fact and i

but nevertheless, i think that putin is still trying to raise the stakes so much that the west today rees to a truce, so that the russian federation today established itself in those territories where it is located in order to postpone the conflict for at least the next year and then continue there, because today it is obvious that in the state in which they are , we see that even the mobilization is the so-called partial, which is carried out in russia it will not strengthen the federation in any way, and today the position of the kremlin and, accordingly, today everything is aimed at raising only to the absolute, but in fact, my personal opinion. i think that putin somewhere inside himself has already made a decision that he is ready to use nuclear weapons, but he is still restrained by two positions, firstly, he understands that today there is no general good will in the russian federation to stand up, the country is huge , despite the indicators of sociology that a is officially published, and secondly, he still does not fully understand what the west will do in order to , after t

the west is weaker and isolated. ah, cross sucking the wes miscalculations. i'm joined by my guest generally in new york . he is a political analyst, as well as a former foreign correspondent in russia in washington. we have michael maloof. he is a former pentagon seniors security policy analyst, and america. we cross to martin j. he's an award winning journalist and commentator or a gentleman cross sack rules in fact that music and jumping in time you want and i always appreciate let me go to michael in washington. first, let me, he saw from my introduction, i kind of wanted to focus on russia bed down. the news flow is kind of interrupting this error. shine is very much on in the news flow, taiwan. so michael e, it's go do a little bit of history. remember in december, i think, december 17th to the russian center, no to diplomatic note to nato, into the united states. a do watch your step. i'm going to borrow some chinese words. you know, you could get burned with ukraine. now let's talk about right now. you know, the nancy pelosi, i suppose, as we speak ri

and what is the west if we are talking about the collective west, that is, the washingtons make decisions; there are the rest of the so -called golden billion, which thinks that it is the golden billion. all this is not so long ago. there are several decision-making centers in the world, in principle. yes, we recognize that washington still remains on this list for the time being, but this is moscow. beijing and there will certainly be other countries, because, uh, the position of both moscow and beijing is that everything belongs to the world, and not to the anglo-saxons , so they will have to swallow it, because, well, the americans still can’t, but to overcome, er, the historical process, and the historical process is like this. you can no longer rule the world, because you don’t have it, you don’t have the potential and, in general, no rights to it, what happens on the fronts, especially partial mobilization. let's discuss in our studio. now let's break for the news don’t go anywhere with both, we’ll explain everything a lot, we’ll tell you everything in as much detail as possible. he

is always dangerous the unity of the west helped destroy the soviet union , this unity of the west willefinitely help ukraine win this war, and it will be on such a political basis. not always as you and i would like. well, it's still drawing the general line of the west together with america against russia, it's necessary to do everything politically so that it is preserved by the majority within the request and it is still preserved ah, if there is a certain connection between the italians and the elections in italy, it is necessary to talk about it. there are political parties that do not even renounce their ties with russia. and this is a danger. we need to pay attention to this, but so far the majority of the political majority in the west is stable. and there is use of ukraine, well, let 's talk about two european countries, poland and germany, yes, they are two countries in the european union, but at the same time, berlin and warsaw have, you know, such different views on many questions, warsaw gives practically you know how to say that weapons help us as much as possible. berlin

and martin does is a complete lack of trust and faith in the west. any more, i mean, using the, the dollar, it's a weapon. i mean, it's one of the stupidest things i've seen in my lifetime and that you, you should cherish that as the global theat currency. but no, they denigrated people don't wanted. why get involved in these institutions where you could be held hostage, hey, look what they did to venezuela's gold for goodness sake. all right. it seems to me that china has learned very rapidly what the, with the, the, the west, under the leadership of the u. s. will do in the case of ukraine and china's learn what to do and what not to do, and they're prepared. one thing, i will say the russians have repaired for what had happened in ukraine, and i truly believe the chinese are prepared. i don't see anybody in washington, other than bluster being prepared, go head martin, you know, showing off repair and they haven't prepared for a long time because they've seen from the offset this relationship between the western china and his limits. i mean, the we

the west understands of the people the west understand that they no longer can be the sensor. then we're going to continue with this, these appeals to exceptionalism and for that for that to well, i guess the big question is, can we survive the, the period after the american century, we're all going to find out because it's not happening right now. gentlemen, that's all the time we have here. i want to thank my guess and cali with that and assemble. and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c. and next time, remember crossing ah ah ah ah ah, what he may have putin arrives in rushes far east to visit the vos, dogs, 2022 military drills. of course, for all these that is one of the ship's main artillery batteries the a 190. it's effective against other c targets as well as air targets and a pack such a punch that we're not even going to be able to be on this deck when it fires. italians are barbecuing the unpaid energy bills to protest against the gas and electricity prices which have risen to historic size proposal to give aid of 15 percent when we have increas

and to see that as a model and so on the west understand that it's the people, the west understand that they no longer can be the sensor that we're going to continue with this, these appeals to exceptionalism. and for that, for that to well, i guess the big question is, can we survive the, the period after the american center? we're all going to find out because it's not happening right now gentlemen, that's all the time we have here. i want to thank my guests in college, but that and it is symbol, and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c a next time. remember crossing ah ah ah i think you've got the stuff that we've seen we've been in which exceptional little was recently merchandise to move center of chicago and then also the move quickly putting out the so please the summer. thank with, if i have a slope, is vanya do you do? chevy is often yeah, you're on national and i don't know that would put on some with oh no, but i learned montoya, they knew ya will look at least the, the new school sheet on when you had them. my review, my auto bought. yeah. which in that

that has support from the west to russia is fighting the collective west, as he said so inside russia now, the elite, the political elite and the propaganda, the tv shows they are telling the story that actually russia is fighting the collective west that wants to destroy russia, but you know, i think you shouldn't be ashamed of that? this is a war of aggression russia marched into an independent sovereign state which is ukraine without any any reason to do so apart from taking in that country because of, you know, like aggressive intentions so i think it's only fair then to come to the aid of that country that is defending itself. but are you advocating that we go even further? well, i think we should be very firm in our mission and our mission is that we are defending a democracy that was aggressed by an imperial power. so now, you know back off and say, oh, the russians were portraying this battle of you know, like the west against us. well the truth is, you know that you're helping a country that aggressed by russia, there is exactly one nation that started this war and that is ru

do you think the west takes that seriously? because i mean, you can't be more emphatic than saying it right out loud. glenn. well, i think the very important question, because this is a so called questioning whether or not to this is a nuclear bluff on behalf of russia. i think the reason behind the questioning it at all is because the west and russia, from my perspective, appeared to escalate differently. if you see the way the west escalates, it tends to embrace the symbol salome tactics. it takes very low thin slices gradually, and this is how it's escalated while russia tends to take this in a hold on and take this big leaks if you will. so for example, if right, if you want to take it from 2014 after the with, or an coupling. you know, college president and the coach in kid. and then we saw in russia took a big step it, it took back to korea and also supported don't boss. but then when we saw nato play this incremental, a gradual escalation in which they refused to implement means the thing that they didn't say we then if t

the west is weaker and isolated with cross sucking the wes miscalculations. i'm joined by my guest generally in new york . he is a political analyst, as well as a former foreign correspondent in russia in washington. we have michael maloof. he is a former pentagon seniors security policy analyst, and america. ashley cross to martin j. he's an award winning journalist and commentator or a gentleman cross sack rolls in fact that music and jumping time he won. and i always appreciate let me go to michael in washington. first, let me, if you saw from my introduction, i kind of wanted to focus on russia bit down the news flow is kind of interrupting this error. china is very much on in the news flow, taiwan. so michael e, it's go do a little bit of history. remember in december, i think, december 17th to the russian center, no to diplomatic note to nato, into the united states. a do watch your step. i'm going to borrow some chinese words. you know, you could get burned with ukraine. now let's talk about right now. you know, the nancy pelosi, i suppose, as we speak

the west cannot accept it. ern elite deny not only international sovereignty and international law, that her game and international law, that her game and it has all signs of appetite for despotism. they divide up the world into so—called civilised countries on the rest who, according to modern—day western racists should be modern—day western racists should be modern barbarians and savages. they call the whole nations and states this, and it is nothing new from the western elite. they are like this always. they are colonial and they discriminate against people in different groups, first, second, and so on. we never accepted this political racism and nationalism. it is a classic type of racism which is spreading out in the world, the notion of the west that its neoliberal civilisation and culture is an example for the whole world but it is not with us and against us. it sounds strange even in its historical crimes they are being blamed on someone else, demanding that all the people from different countries to say

we don't have to sort of yield all the advantages to the west. and one last thing i want to mention is that this idea of american hegemony, whether it's couch and a logical terms, or whether it's simply the pursued be very cynical pursuit of economic benefits. it doesn't serve the american people themselves because if we look at the social data in the united states in the west, the rates of suicide, the rates of obesity, the rates of depression, the rates of that, and deaf we will see that the america, the americans and many people and the west are not leaving good lives. i mean, that lives in quantitative terms have become worse than it used to be. the government immediate will tell them differently. they'll tell you that your standard of living is the best it's ever been. but i mean, it's a lot of objective data. if you look at the data in india, russia, china, people's living standards and that quality of live life, the diffraction has increased. can you say the same for there was no, nobody can calling about a people's perception of quality is

but also to the west itself. yes, so we definitely see a resin ration dis, information at work, for example, the recent clip of another, up above the german foreign minister, where she's stated that she wants to maintain support for ukraine, no matter what her load is. that was used by her, by a pro russian media outlet to really, you know, like targeted german discontent. but however, i think we shouldn't overestimate the impact of fresh and digital this information . because it only works if there are hitting some discontent or a movements or opinions that are already present in the german population. so what we have to work on is resilience. also, you know, societal solidarity. and if we make that happen, and if we do that, well, i think we're able to fight off the russian just this information that kind of solidarity was of course, the goal of the german government when last weekend did announced its biggest relief package so far focusing especially on vulnerable citizens like pensioners, students, people who

and to see that as a model and so on the west understand that it's the people, the west understand that they no longer can be the sensor. then we're going to continue with this, these appeals to exceptionalism. and for that, for that to well, i guess the big question is, can we survive the, the period after the american century, we're all going to find out because it's not happening right now gentlemen, that's all the time we have here. i want to thank my guess and cali with that and assemble and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c. and next time, remember cross up with ah, with the, with just open the window or new them move it in, just let me know. and i still know a lot cheaper than what some of them must. all those estimates wanna go on amazon or not. please can sell mazda on a thumb candle vehicle. i just wanted to follow up to the shop for hold and would lose a quote to move decides im lash louis deloney city. so alcohol willing driven enough, but all it was wondering was, we've got new to lou, you put on the really, you took a symbol and you talk a little bi

there are no particular channels of the west. the voices of the socialists are increasingly being heard, warning that we will drive putin into a corner if we do not make compromises. if we come to an agreement, then he can go to unprecedented steps this would be a clear indication of weakness and not the fact that in russia they can really dare to do something crazy, since the russians throughout their history have never done this do you think, dear james, how far can putin go in the situation with the temporarily occupied zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, and is this a scenario directed purely against ukraine? is it still a big continental blackmail? it is obvious that they want the entire territory to be a safe zone from which they can inflict artillery and long-range missile strikes, and given the proximity of the nuclear power plant, any response from the armed forces will help putin in his intention to convince the west that it is ukraine, not russia, that poses the threat of a major nuclear catastrophes in zaporizhzhia. this is wh

and to see that as a model and so on, the west understands of the people, the west understand that they no longer can be the sensor. then we're going to continue with this, these appeals to exceptionalism and for that for that to well, i guess the big question is, can we survive the, the period after the american century, we're all going to find out because it's not happening right now. gentlemen, that's all the time we have here. i want to thank my gets in college with that and assemble. and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c. and next time, remember crossel? ah ah ah ah ah, ah good. yet the bill girl i think is 70 percent of even 80 percent of the of the below for why in the few say i won't go approach and it means i want this best with this one. me not for you. awesome scale. paul. slowly so long the name with a nuclear power plant comes on to a fresh round of ukrainian shell. according to local officials. with homeschooling, they want the reactive well inspectors from the i a remain on the fight to rush and diplomatic work because it confirms killed along with

of course, it's completely rejected in the west. i don't want to waste our time on that, but they always reject reverend. did they don't like ok, but it's, it's a, we've been following the military operation, but now now the political dimension is coming in to play it, please explain to our viewers, the importance of these boats. go ahead. ah, well, and the importance is so far when russia went into a, it was a special, it was to find a special military operation and it was supposed to then liberate process the us from the ukraine over the us, the war dr. song, obviously, and the resources put into this, the cost, the increase on russia as well in the states will increase as also by russia recognizing this for territory. fessler guns that goes on and are as a part of russia is huge implications for one. russia will have to devote a lot more troops to defend its own soil. again, i know many people all say critical, especially the west was not really russia. you can. well, if ross has recognized as russia from the russia legal standpoi

to be russia's most important weapon in the fight against the west. countries but this is only from sitive, more and more people in the west understand that it will never be possible to communicate with russia by any treaty, because everyone already and almost everyone must understand that for russia it will always be a weapon and a means of political opinion michal of this pressure of propaganda and against the background of the fact that some countries do not go in unison with the position of the european union, is it possible to have some kind of internal political split within the european countries, but you and within the european union itself there is a political one in europe the position that directly expresses russian opinions is politicians who do it indirectly, but as far as i can tell the majority is on our side unfortunately, in europe in the near future it will not be like in western europe like poland that everything is united united around this question unfortunately, there will always be opponents and supporters of the russian extreme right and the extreme left, we u

some rain infringing into wales and the south—west of england. s across the north of england, possibly midlands and into east anglia. the further east you are, more dry. 2a celsius for norwich, just 16 for belfast. on saturday night, to the south—west, this squeeze in the isobars, there will be a swathe of strong winds through sunday morning across the south of england and into wales, more rain here. more rain from northern ireland and south—west scotland. it keeps coming. the further north and east you are, more dry weather. top temperatures on sunday between 19 and 25 celsius. quite a lot on the weekend ahead, some brisk winds and some heavy rain, particularly in the west. that's all from the bbc news at one, so it's goodbye from me. and on bbc one, we nowjoin the bbc�*s news teams where you are. good the bbc�*s news teams where you are. afternoon. t danger good afternoon. there is quite a big danger taking place in our weather right now, a change to something that might feel more autumnal. good afternoon. it's 1.30pm and here's your latest spor

and to see that as a model and so on, the west understands of the people, the west understand that they no longer can be the sensor. then we're going to continue with this, these appeals to exceptionalism and for that for that to well, i guess the big question is, can we survive the, the period after the american century, we're all going to find out because it's not happening right now. gentlemen, that's all the time we have here. i want to thank my gets in college with that and assemble. and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c. and next time, remember, cross up with ah ah, to come to russian state to never see a 55 with speaking with ben in the european union, the kremlin new. yep. machine. the state aren't russia to date and support r t sport that even our video agency, roughly all band on youtube and pinterest and with me. oh, when i was shown seemed wrong when i was just don't a whole new world. yes. to shape out disdain becomes the african and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves worlds apart, we choose to look for common ground. ah, ukrai

in the west. we're hoping that he was just going to go east and so in the thirty's, the soviets are the ones who are most strongly opposed to the nazis. ah, the ah, the the moscow negotiations between the u. s. i saw you carry on france had stalled. because at the same time, london hosted secret anglo german negotiations in exchange for the british empire, integrity, the british greenland, a german march to the east. and despite the absence of a formal agreement, it was given to understand that he was free to act in the east and shouldn't worry about the west with when we speak of new territory and europe today, we must principally think of russia that colossal empire in the east is right for dissolution. cut off hitler. my income for hitler makes clear in mind comes in $925.00. that the real goal is to take over ukraine has going to the east against the soviet union. that was always hit. there's real call. and the europeans understood that in some ways. mm. poland. 2 was preparing to invade the us

to russia fighting the collective west, as he said, so inside russia. now, the elite, the political lead, and the propaganda, the t v shows they are telling the story that's actually russia, if fighting the collective west that wants to destroy russia. you know, i think you shouldn't be ashamed of that. this is a war for aggression. russia marched into an independent sovereign state, which is ukraine without any, any reason to do so apart from taken in that country because of, you know, like an aggressive intentions. so i think it's only fair than to come to the 8 of that country. that is defending itself, but you advocate that we go even further? well, i think we should be very firm in our mission. and our mission is that we're defending a democracy that was egress by and a peer of power. so now do you know back off and say all the russians are portraying, there's a battle of, you know, like the west against us? well, the truth is, you know, that you're helping a country that it was egress by russia. that's exactly one nation that started this war and t

in fact, the opposite is happened, the west is weaker and isolated. ah, i cross sucking the wes miscalculations. i'm joined by my guest generally in new york. he is a political analyst, as well as a former foreign correspondent in russia in washington we have michael maloof. he is a former pentagon, seniors security policy analyst, and america. we crossed to martin j. he's an award winning journalist and commentator or a gentleman cross that roles and the fact that music and jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate, let me go to michael in washington 1st. i mean, if you saw from my introduction, i kind of wanted to focus in on russia bed down. the news flow is kind of interrupting this error. shine is very much on the in the news flow. taiwan. so michael e is go do a little bit of history. remember in december, i think, december 17th, the russian said to know to diplomatic note, to nato, into the united states, say, do, what's your step? i'm going to borrow some chinese words. you know, you could get burned with ukraine. now let's talk about righ

is that a signal to the west? it is, but it's also the normal denomination of the final military exercise in the russian calendar of military exercises. so we've had this talk before. it's not the first one of its kind. it's supposed to be a show of force. i find it quite meager for that respect. it's a magnitude of order smaller than the last one. it doesn't show us any new maneuvering techniques. we don't see any lessons learned from the ukrainian campaign. so it's supposed to show that the russian federation can wage a maneuver like that on the other side of the continent at the same time with fighting the war and maintaining normalcy at home, but it fails in doing so. and what's the significance of putin inviting a few friends to join him? well, again, they've been there before and but of course the russian foreign policy tries to portray the geopolitical landscape as one shifting towards russian dominance on the eurasian continent. at the same time, if you look at how exactly the indian the chinese, but also t

in the west. we're hoping that he was just going to go east and so in the thirty's. the soviets are the ones who are most strongly opposed to the nazis. ah, nobody see that there was the jesus you did? yes it was. he just opened the window door. william, mute in the museum roster, and guess where leslie door? nashville? no pointer, dump the car. now that'll go up. you don't cheat his mouth. so must all must over. i was just, i was wanna hard go on that much enough. please conceal must up on a thumb candle vehicle. i just have to show the other to the follower shelter shell sparkled and would lose her groove decides him lash. there was deloney the city so alto, still willing, driven enough, but all he was wondering was we've got it. and when you tell you you put on the really you took a symbol and you talk on the local secretary, didn't that missed that as well. by mister willie the nicest. yeah boy you still paula was raised out. i'm not of them. will those on most both of us. maybe the bus not us

how much with the collective west? the weapons that were in ukraine today have actually ended, the former soviet weapons, many of the young europeans are trying especially zealous and, in my opinion, they cleaned out everything that they had, all the warehouses and thoroughly swept them up in order to transfer everything to transfer everything , but we are constantly knocking out knocking out knocking out and the time has come when she really howls with the collective west. plus nato is possible, on the contrary, it is necessary plus the collective west. and when we talk about it, we don't mean only those weapons that are supplied in huge quantities in huge volumes. well , of course, we find ways and methods to deal with these weapons, but of course, these systems, which are communication systems, information processing systems, and, uh, reconnaissance, reconnaissance satellite reconnaissance systems. well, imagine that it works. i won’t say that the entire nato satellite constellation is working against us, but accord