the bush white house with those people. now, you were at abc after i left. i think that's why you came. as soon as i left abc, westin came in to run the operations. >> you were the one that got away. you were one of my great regrets. >> bill: i liked abc news much more than cbs which i had worked for prior. i felt the culture of the management of abc news when i was there and i think that the people would admit they personally, their belief system was liberal. am i wrong? >> well, we fought against it every day. >> bill: did you really? >> yes. >> bill: why did you fight against it? >> i thought our mission was not to be left of center or right of center. >> bill: you saw what i saw, then? >> i saw a lack of diversity and it wasn't just political diversity. >> bill: how did that define itself? >> it can be religious, it can be race and ethnicity. >> bill: but to you. >> and i was always concerned that we needed voices at the table who would say, you know, part of the world doesn't see it the way you do. there's another part of the world and i felt this powerfully. i come from michigan and just in a small way, the mi